just go somewhere else, make new private servers, etc. there is no reason not to. Maximize those utility curves, and if someone doesn't want to take your money to allow you to do it, so much the better.
I personally would pay extra for a legacy server and would play it and the live version for a long time (played wow since vanilla). Look how long Project 1999 has existed there are people there that have played years. A lot of people play WoW in waves (every time there is an expansion they come for a short while) Vanilla WoW took a long time to play and accomplish goals - that there would probably give more longevity to the game than any recent expansion.
I know the thread is long but this has already been discussed. DBG opened up legacy servers "Time Locked Progression" and people didn't move from p99 to EQ TLP. DBG didn't see a massive influx. It has fragmented both the EQ and EQ2 communities, split their resources, and increased resource load for very little player influx.
People would not leave live servers if there gaming needs were met. When you play an MMORPG something special happens - it grabs you and makes you want to play every second you can spare. The classic versions are filling that need that live is not. A lot of people did come back and play on the TLP. As for EQ2 I was one of the people that re-subbed to play (was not playing live EQ2 at that moment), however the TLP was not classic enough for me. It was initially popular enough that they had to open up another server.
I personally would pay extra for a legacy server and would play it and the live version for a long time (played wow since vanilla). Look how long Project 1999 has existed there are people there that have played years. A lot of people play WoW in waves (every time there is an expansion they come for a short while) Vanilla WoW took a long time to play and accomplish goals - that there would probably give more longevity to the game than any recent expansion.
I know the thread is long but this has already been discussed. DBG opened up legacy servers "Time Locked Progression" and people didn't move from p99 to EQ TLP. DBG didn't see a massive influx. It has fragmented both the EQ and EQ2 communities, split their resources, and increased resource load for very little player influx.
People would not leave live servers if there gaming needs were met. When you play an MMORPG something special happens - it grabs you and makes you want to play every second you can spare. The classic versions are filling that need that live is not. A lot of people did come back and play on the TLP. As for EQ2 I was one of the people that re-subbed to play (was not playing live EQ2 at that moment), however the TLP was not classic enough for me. It was initially popular enough that they had to open up another server.
Notice the qualifier "Initially" popular...thought they closed one now?
I personally would pay extra for a legacy server and would play it and the live version for a long time (played wow since vanilla). Look how long Project 1999 has existed there are people there that have played years. A lot of people play WoW in waves (every time there is an expansion they come for a short while) Vanilla WoW took a long time to play and accomplish goals - that there would probably give more longevity to the game than any recent expansion.
I know the thread is long but this has already been discussed. DBG opened up legacy servers "Time Locked Progression" and people didn't move from p99 to EQ TLP. DBG didn't see a massive influx. It has fragmented both the EQ and EQ2 communities, split their resources, and increased resource load for very little player influx.
People would not leave live servers if there gaming needs were met. When you play an MMORPG something special happens - it grabs you and makes you want to play every second you can spare. The classic versions are filling that need that live is not. A lot of people did come back and play on the TLP. As for EQ2 I was one of the people that re-subbed to play (was not playing live EQ2 at that moment), however the TLP was not classic enough for me. It was initially popular enough that they had to open up another server.
Notice the qualifier "Initially" popular...thought they closed one now?
yes and as I mentioned before - I feel it is because the servers are not classic enough. Again I will mention how p1999 continues with a stable player base since 2009! Nostralius was shut down but launched last year with a population that was expanding.
You want to be respected? Start by giving the exemple and do what is right for the greater good and stop treating your costumers like retards( even if they are ).
You know, moral, ethic and all that. Who cares right... Pray the all mighty dollar! /bow to Mammon
Don't come in here and talk about laws please, they bend and go around them every chance they get.
They are a corporation, not a convent. Businesses run for one reason: To make money. There's a reason that companies routinely shut down games when they become unprofitable. Corporations are not "moral, ethic[al] and all that". Generation of revenue to pay employees and their stockholders is first; customer (dis)satisfaction comes in a distant second. This is not unique to Blizzard or to business overall.
Leave the Vanilla debate behind for a second. You are absolutely 100% correct. Now spend a couple minutes thinking about this and look at where it's taking us and our society.
I am surprised how many people including employees of a site for gamers take such a strong position in this issue completely ignoring the fact that thousands of gamers are losing their "home". I am an advocate of intellectual property and the need and the right to protect it. I absolutely respect Blizzard's right to request that the server is shut down as it is legal and fair.
What I am saying is that I would not expect fellow gamers to practically celebrate the fact that many people for whom the servers were home and who were having a great time there with their friends are gonna lose this. I understand such position from people with financial interest, like Blizz shareholders, but I would probably expect a slightly different position from mmorpg.com employees than to go on liking posts like "I am glad they got sued. I hope everyone touching the code gets sued".
I thought you would at least consider the gamers in this equation.
I have in no way "celebrated" the fact that Blizzard is closing this private server or the fact that you and your friends have "lost their home". I hold no ill will to anyone who played there. Why would I? I don't have a horse in the race other than believing that Blizzard has the right to their IP and to choose if anyone else should have legal access to it as well as the right not to host vanilla servers if it is not in the best interest of their corporation. Saying so doesn't mean I celebrate people's angst at the situation. "Liking" a post that insinuates Blizzard can and should exercise their legal rights is not a celebration of the situation, simply acknowledgement that people will be sued if they continue.
You want to be respected? Start by giving the exemple and do what is right for the greater good and stop treating your costumers like retards( even if they are ).
You know, moral, ethic and all that. Who cares right... Pray the all mighty dollar! /bow to Mammon
Don't come in here and talk about laws please, they bend and go around them every chance they get.
They are a corporation, not a convent. Businesses run for one reason: To make money. There's a reason that companies routinely shut down games when they become unprofitable. Corporations are not "moral, ethic[al] and all that". Generation of revenue to pay employees and their stockholders is first; customer (dis)satisfaction comes in a distant second. This is not unique to Blizzard or to business overall.
Leave the Vanilla debate behind for a second. You are absolutely 100% correct. Now spend a couple minutes thinking about this and look at where it's taking us and our society.
It ain't good
Till they come up with that Star Trek universe where people do things for free we rely on business to pay us. In order for them to pay us they must take care of themselves.
You want to be respected? Start by giving the exemple and do what is right for the greater good and stop treating your costumers like retards( even if they are ).
You know, moral, ethic and all that. Who cares right... Pray the all mighty dollar! /bow to Mammon
Don't come in here and talk about laws please, they bend and go around them every chance they get.
They are a corporation, not a convent. Businesses run for one reason: To make money. There's a reason that companies routinely shut down games when they become unprofitable. Corporations are not "moral, ethic[al] and all that". Generation of revenue to pay employees and their stockholders is first; customer (dis)satisfaction comes in a distant second. This is not unique to Blizzard or to business overall.
Leave the Vanilla debate behind for a second. You are absolutely 100% correct. Now spend a couple minutes thinking about this and look at where it's taking us and our society.
It ain't good
Till they come up with that Star Trek universe where people do things for free we rely on business to pay us. In order for them to pay us they must take care of themselves.
I am surprised how many people including employees of a site for gamers take such a strong position in this issue completely ignoring the fact that thousands of gamers are losing their "home". I am an advocate of intellectual property and the need and the right to protect it. I absolutely respect Blizzard's right to request that the server is shut down as it is legal and fair.
What I am saying is that I would not expect fellow gamers to practically celebrate the fact that many people for whom the servers were home and who were having a great time there with their friends are gonna lose this. I understand such position from people with financial interest, like Blizz shareholders, but I would probably expect a slightly different position from mmorpg.com employees than to go on liking posts like "I am glad they got sued. I hope everyone touching the code gets sued".
I thought you would at least consider the gamers in this equation.
I like to watch drag racing. My friend from high school got into it and I liked to help him. While I like drag racing I do not shed tears when street racers get pulled by the cops, cars impounded, cars wrecked, etc. If they know it is not legal they take their chances playing on pirate servers and could lose their time in those games. This is a hobby not a life and death situation.
I am surprised how many people including employees of a site for gamers take such a strong position in this issue completely ignoring the fact that thousands of gamers are losing their "home". I am an advocate of intellectual property and the need and the right to protect it. I absolutely respect Blizzard's right to request that the server is shut down as it is legal and fair.
What I am saying is that I would not expect fellow gamers to practically celebrate the fact that many people for whom the servers were home and who were having a great time there with their friends are gonna lose this. I understand such position from people with financial interest, like Blizz shareholders, but I would probably expect a slightly different position from mmorpg.com employees than to go on liking posts like "I am glad they got sued. I hope everyone touching the code gets sued".
I thought you would at least consider the gamers in this equation.
I'm a big proponent in accepting the consequences for whatever one does. One should know the downsides.
If one is to play on a server that is not sanctioned by the company that created the assets then they should be aware of the consequences.
Sorry but this is just another reason why I don't routinely tell people "I'm a gamer". It's this type of behavior, this type of activity that once again, in my opinion, paints "gamers" in a bad light.
Unreasonable expectations, a seeming air of entitlement, among other things.
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The problem (at least for me) with EQ/EQ2 legacy servers are that they do not reflect what EQ was back at launch. I played on a TLP server, but quit because I did not really get the feeling that I was playing classic EQ. Project 1999 does accomplish that. Nostralius was a server that was very close to classic wow. I would like to play on a server that is classic WoW then maybe Burning Crusade server- that's all it would take to keep me logged in daily for at least two years, which is more than I could speak to most current games and their expansions.
I cannot agree more. Both Vanilla and TBC servers could keep me logging in for 10 to 15 hours a week for 2 years easily. WHY? Because it takes time to do the content it is not handed to you like today's MMOs and I do not need to rush to end game.
What makes you think Blizzard would open a legacy progression server that was just like you wanted? Just like DBG didn't do exactly what legacy server players wanted, then they bailed. Maybe they don't think it's worth the money, time, and risk to try and appeal to suck a fickle demanding crowd.
But, none of that changes the fact that private servers, whether money is collected or not, aren't legal and Blizzard is within their right to shut them down.
If you take the old code out of their source control system and keep it exactly as it was on the final major patch before the new expansion launched the game would be fine. At that point they only need to say hey as an experiment for 1 year we are going to offer these servers. If the player base is stable and the revenue is there the very next step after 1 year is figure out what that player base wants and what is feasible Hell if these are stable servers they may say. Shit maybe we should made live servers that require CC for all instances, NO LFD\LFD and see how that goes. Maybe they say well hey what are things we can put into these classic servers that players want? If the majority of players want more dungeons added from the other expansions and use the same gear from those expansions with just Classic rules lets do it. BUT the money has to be there for that.
OR even a better idea. Use these servers as a test to see if this player base might be the player base they want to build WOW 2 or make a new Fantasy IP for that player base.
You forget WOW has been paid for many times over. Right now its on a downward spiral so to use anything from their old versions to make their New MMO would be helpful because Market research with Marketers dont work. You know how I know. My buddy who works in Marketing talks about how often teams he works with just copies and paste ideas from some what some other product\service did to market themselves. You ever notice that marketing banners online look basically all the same with the same elements in them also have catchy phases or PRE ORDER NOW GET INTO BETA!!!!! YOU GET EARLY ACCESS!!! They all look exactly the same just with their product's skin.
You want to be respected? Start by giving the exemple and do what is right for the greater good and stop treating your costumers like retards( even if they are ).
You know, moral, ethic and all that. Who cares right... Pray the all mighty dollar! /bow to Mammon
Don't come in here and talk about laws please, they bend and go around them every chance they get.
They are a corporation, not a convent. Businesses run for one reason: To make money. There's a reason that companies routinely shut down games when they become unprofitable. Corporations are not "moral, ethic[al] and all that". Generation of revenueto pay employees and their stockholders is first; customer (dis)satisfaction comes in a distant second. This is not unique to Blizzard or to business overall.
Leave the Vanilla debate behind for a second. You are absolutely 100% correct. Now spend a couple minutes thinking about this and look at where it's taking us and our society.
It ain't good
What I am pointing out is 100% the problem today. Corporations are not moral or Ethic and TODAY they are there to generate revenue to pay CEO'S and Stockholders FIRST. They do not care about customers period.
This gets down to the core problem with American today, our culture and what is not just a GAMER issue but a major issue overall. Now as a GAMER this is why I am not going to spend my hard earned money to a company that does not put my satisfaction first and their desire to give the CEO and Stakeholders a big fat check. Now I do agree they need to make money and make a Profit. But the min maxing of profits is what MMOS fucking blow today period. Because CEOs and Stockholders think there are WOW type of money to be made here and that is our fault as Gamers for buying every thing that is hyped up. This is why I dont buy into games fast anymore but I will buy a game when I feel it works for me and what I want of it.
I am surprised how many people including employees of a site for gamers take such a strong position in this issue completely ignoring the fact that thousands of gamers are losing their "home". I am an advocate of intellectual property and the need and the right to protect it. I absolutely respect Blizzard's right to request that the server is shut down as it is legal and fair.
What I am saying is that I would not expect fellow gamers to practically celebrate the fact that many people for whom the servers were home and who were having a great time there with their friends are gonna lose this. I understand such position from people with financial interest, like Blizz shareholders, but I would probably expect a slightly different position from mmorpg.com employees than to go on liking posts like "I am glad they got sued. I hope everyone touching the code gets sued".
I thought you would at least consider the gamers in this equation.
The 'gamers' partaking in this activity knew what they were getting into and knew it was illegal. They are big boys and no one should be holding their hands and weeping because they lost their 'home.' We can't always get what we want when ideas belong to someone else. If they dont want to do something with the idea they cultivated and have claim to, they they dont have to. People need to grow up.
It's really very simple. These people wanted to play a legacy version of the game. The only way to get it was through private servers. Everyone involved knew that this could happen. Now it's happened. These people will either move to another private server or just give up on it altogether.
@baphamet No one here actually said that they don't -want- vanilla servers though Blizzard has repeatedly over a decade.
my point was the devs claim that the players "think" they want to play wow vanilla but actually don't want to. "you think you do, but you don't."
it's rather insulting. i also think many people here have bought into that and believe it to be true, probably because they personally don't want to play vanilla. (not talking about you)
i understand they exercised their legal right, i just think if you are going to sit up there and insult people that ask for a server like that and say we actually don't want that, then allow them to play on a private server that you are not willing to support anymore......like daybreak games did for example.
there are other private servers that have been around for a lot longer than nos was yet they are allowed to function. the reason is obvious, "some" people actually do want to play on those servers, a pretty big chunk of people actually.
I personally would pay extra for a legacy server and would play it and the live version for a long time (played wow since vanilla). Look how long Project 1999 has existed there are people there that have played years. A lot of people play WoW in waves (every time there is an expansion they come for a short while) Vanilla WoW took a long time to play and accomplish goals - that there would probably give more longevity to the game than any recent expansion.
I know the thread is long but this has already been discussed. DBG opened up legacy servers "Time Locked Progression" and people didn't move from p99 to EQ TLP. DBG didn't see a massive influx. It has fragmented both the EQ and EQ2 communities, split their resources, and increased resource load for very little player influx.
DBG endorsed p99 and their TLP servers are in direct competition with it, unlike the wow live servers that are not in direct competition with the vanilla servers. funny how nobody cried foul when that happened, DBG actually got praised for it by most on the forums.
i would argue most of the players that played on nos are not willing to play on a wow live server because they don't want to play that version of the game, i am one of them.
also the TLP servers are some of the most populated servers in EQ and EQ2, again thats with p99 being in direct competition with those servers.
not only that but nos's popularity was only growing, unlike the TLP servers because after a bunch of expansions are released people tend to quit.
nos was a dedicated vanilla server, they would release raid content on a progression style basis but other than that it stayed vanilla.
they had plans for opening a TBC server and were going to allow free transfers to that server when people were ready or if they wanted to play the first expansion, then blizz said nah, that is too genius.
I am not subbed to WoW but would sub for sure if playing Nostalrius was an option. I get why they won't licence it out but I still with they would work out something. Lots of reasons not to though. No one wants to offer a "use at own risk" or "not supported" product.
You even say yourself that it wasn't vanilla because they added stuff and when you do that it's not vanilla anymore. What they did was steal rule sets and code from Blizzard and then ran their own servers under that ruleset.
They didn't add anything that wasn't in the original Vanilla. He said they added the original raids progressively, not that they added anything custom.
Also, they stole rule sets now? Holy shit, you guys are desperate to bash something you barely understand.
Yes, they stole the game and the rule set. That's what we're calling vanilla here, as opposed to the rule set/mechanics in BC, WotLK, etc. If none of you cared about the rule set you would just play the live client now wouldn't you.
Holy shit, you guys are desperate to defend and justify theft and entitlement. See it works both ways.
I've yet to see what they stole, other than people claiming they used Blizzard's code, there's been no proof shown.
People want Vanilla WoW, we had a good place to get it and now we don't. Of course we want it back, or we want the same thing from somewhere else. That doesn't make us entitled.
There may be a few people screaming their heads off at Blizzard and making demands, I'm certainly not defending them in any way.
So you are saying from scratch they made this game just off their memories of how vanilla WoW was?
People don't seem to get it, Blizzard leave the private servers alone on purpose so that you get your vanilla wow experience. They could close these down right away if they wanted to, you think they don't know these things exist?
The problem was it was getting too big and was actually leading to people ceasing their subs to go play wow for free, it wasn't vanilla wow that was the appeal it was free wow.
The reason people usually don't play private servers is because they are small, this server was big and so was a direct threat. They were also taking money (even though they were using a hidden donation system.
At a point the people in charge, said stop being nice and close it down because now it's hurting us.
I personally would pay extra for a legacy server and would play it and the live version for a long time (played wow since vanilla). Look how long Project 1999 has existed there are people there that have played years. A lot of people play WoW in waves (every time there is an expansion they come for a short while) Vanilla WoW took a long time to play and accomplish goals - that there would probably give more longevity to the game than any recent expansion.
I know the thread is long but this has already been discussed. DBG opened up legacy servers "Time Locked Progression" and people didn't move from p99 to EQ TLP. DBG didn't see a massive influx. It has fragmented both the EQ and EQ2 communities, split their resources, and increased resource load for very little player influx.
DBG endorsed p99 and their TLP servers are in direct competition with it, unlike the wow live servers that are not in direct competition with the vanilla servers. funny how nobody cried foul when that happened, DBG actually got praised for it by most on the forums.
i would argue most of the players that played on nos are not willing to play on a wow live server because they don't want to play that version of the game, i am one of them.
also the TLP servers are some of the most populated servers in EQ and EQ2, again thats with p99 being in direct competition with those servers.
not only that but nos's popularity was only growing, unlike the TLP servers because after a bunch of expansions are released people tend to quit.
nos was a dedicated vanilla server, they would release raid content on a progression style basis but other than that it stayed vanilla.
they had plans for opening a TBC server and were going to allow free transfers to that server when people were ready or if they wanted to play the first expansion, then blizz said nah, that is too genius.
No. EQ TLP and EQ2 TLE are not some of the most populated servers. You said that maybe hoping it would get overlooked and just taken at face value, but it's not true. DBG just closed one TLE server. The other hold a medium population while the other 3 main servers have at least high and Maj'Dul is full. The EQ TLP servers are even worse. Right now the Live servers are on medium and high, while TLP is low.
You even say yourself that it wasn't vanilla because they added stuff and when you do that it's not vanilla anymore. What they did was steal rule sets and code from Blizzard and then ran their own servers under that ruleset.
ActiBlizz said no because those people are thieves and pirates, not matter how people try and justify it, and they stole the work Blizzard did and provided it to people who feel entitled to take what isn't theirs.
I think it would be great if publishers/developers would offer avenues to license their servers, IP, and different rulesets. But until then that doesn't give anyone the right to take it because it's not offered.
i'm not sure where you are getting your info from, Phinigel is the most populated EQ sever according to their website at least at peak US times, that is a fact. ragefire is another that is up there as well, one only needs to go and look at their server status to come to that conclusion.
same with EQ2 (but to a lesser extent) stormhold is one of their most populated servers as well but Eq2 isn't as popular overall. i'm not saying these things in hopes they will get overlooked lol and i'm not trolling. the problem is all this misinformation here.
again, the reason people stop playing these kind of servers is because they release expansions fast and people end up quiting. the only one that has had success for a long time is ragefire due to the slower release of expansions.
when i say nos added stuff i meant they added raids and patches but not any expansions. look at p99 and how long that's been around with their player base still staying strong? care to explain that one?
are you aware there have been wow private servers around far before nos was ever created and those servers are still allowed to function, how come? the answer is staring you right in the face.
oh and here is another fact for you. 10-13k people online at peak every single day with about 8-9k at minimum during non peak and that number was only growing.
facts you absolutely cannot argue. say what you want about them "stealing" but this kind of server is indeed wanted by many. it's also funny how another company endorsed a server like that and none of you cried foul about them "stealing", in fact they along with DBG were praised for it.
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Notice the qualifier "Initially" popular...thought they closed one now?
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Till they come up with that Star Trek universe where people do things for free we rely on business to pay us. In order for them to pay us they must take care of themselves.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
I like to watch drag racing. My friend from high school got into it and I liked to help him. While I like drag racing I do not shed tears when street racers get pulled by the cops, cars impounded, cars wrecked, etc. If they know it is not legal they take their chances playing on pirate servers and could lose their time in those games. This is a hobby not a life and death situation.
If one is to play on a server that is not sanctioned by the company that created the assets then they should be aware of the consequences.
Sorry but this is just another reason why I don't routinely tell people "I'm a gamer". It's this type of behavior, this type of activity that once again, in my opinion, paints "gamers" in a bad light.
Unreasonable expectations, a seeming air of entitlement, among other things.
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OR even a better idea. Use these servers as a test to see if this player base might be the player base they want to build WOW 2 or make a new Fantasy IP for that player base.
You forget WOW has been paid for many times over. Right now its on a downward spiral so to use anything from their old versions to make their New MMO would be helpful because Market research with Marketers dont work. You know how I know. My buddy who works in Marketing talks about how often teams he works with just copies and paste ideas from some what some other product\service did to market themselves. You ever notice that marketing banners online look basically all the same with the same elements in them also have catchy phases or PRE ORDER NOW GET INTO BETA!!!!! YOU GET EARLY ACCESS!!! They all look exactly the same just with their product's skin.
What I am pointing out is 100% the problem today. Corporations are not moral or Ethic and TODAY they are there to generate revenue to pay CEO'S and Stockholders FIRST. They do not care about customers period.
This gets down to the core problem with American today, our culture and what is not just a GAMER issue but a major issue overall. Now as a GAMER this is why I am not going to spend my hard earned money to a company that does not put my satisfaction first and their desire to give the CEO and Stakeholders a big fat check. Now I do agree they need to make money and make a Profit. But the min maxing of profits is what MMOS fucking blow today period. Because CEOs and Stockholders think there are WOW type of money to be made here and that is our fault as Gamers for buying every thing that is hyped up. This is why I dont buy into games fast anymore but I will buy a game when I feel it works for me and what I want of it.
These people will either move to another private server or just give up on it altogether.
it's rather insulting. i also think many people here have bought into that and believe it to be true, probably because they personally don't want to play vanilla. (not talking about you)
i understand they exercised their legal right, i just think if you are going to sit up there and insult people that ask for a server like that and say we actually don't want that, then allow them to play on a private server that you are not willing to support anymore......like daybreak games did for example.
there are other private servers that have been around for a lot longer than nos was yet they are allowed to function. the reason is obvious, "some" people actually do want to play on those servers, a pretty big chunk of people actually.
i would argue most of the players that played on nos are not willing to play on a wow live server because they don't want to play that version of the game, i am one of them.
also the TLP servers are some of the most populated servers in EQ and EQ2, again thats with p99 being in direct competition with those servers.
not only that but nos's popularity was only growing, unlike the TLP servers because after a bunch of expansions are released people tend to quit.
nos was a dedicated vanilla server, they would release raid content on a progression style basis but other than that it stayed vanilla.
they had plans for opening a TBC server and were going to allow free transfers to that server when people were ready or if they wanted to play the first expansion, then blizz said nah, that is too genius.
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The problem was it was getting too big and was actually leading to people ceasing their subs to go play wow for free, it wasn't vanilla wow that was the appeal it was free wow.
The reason people usually don't play private servers is because they are small, this server was big and so was a direct threat. They were also taking money (even though they were using a hidden donation system.
At a point the people in charge, said stop being nice and close it down because now it's hurting us.
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same with EQ2 (but to a lesser extent) stormhold is one of their most populated servers as well but Eq2 isn't as popular overall. i'm not saying these things in hopes they will get overlooked lol and i'm not trolling. the problem is all this misinformation here.
again, the reason people stop playing these kind of servers is because they release expansions fast and people end up quiting. the only one that has had success for a long time is ragefire due to the slower release of expansions.
when i say nos added stuff i meant they added raids and patches but not any expansions. look at p99 and how long that's been around with their player base still staying strong? care to explain that one?
are you aware there have been wow private servers around far before nos was ever created and those servers are still allowed to function, how come? the answer is staring you right in the face.
oh and here is another fact for you. 10-13k people online at peak every single day with about 8-9k at minimum during non peak and that number was only growing.
facts you absolutely cannot argue. say what you want about them "stealing" but this kind of server is indeed wanted by many. it's also funny how another company endorsed a server like that and none of you cried foul about them "stealing", in fact they along with DBG were praised for it.
oh and just for good measure. lol