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Help with a new build please!!

dg29031994dg29031994 Member UncommonPosts: 135
in Hardware
Hi guys, I'm looking for some help with a build for my friend, his budget is 800$, but prefer something about 500-600$. He has monitor, mouse, keyboard, just need a pc. pretty please
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483
    So this is a desktop, primarily for gaming?  Does he need it right now, or are you willing to wait a few weeks for the Polaris cards to show up around MSRP?  That's definitely what you want on your budget, and most likely a Radeon RX 470.
  • GladDogGladDog Member RarePosts: 1,097
    edited August 2016
    Cheapest setup I could build was $610.47 + about $50 shipping.  This would be the cheapest thing I would refer to as a gaming rig.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1N847T5877 

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1N842M5504

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814126051

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811156301

     http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103060 X3

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6UM2TV5098

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817152063

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832416892

     This would use dual graphics, APU GFX + the video card.  It would not be VR ready (not possible on that budget) but would be a solid gaming rig for a few years.

    This includes a DVD burner, a memory card reader + fan monitor, and Win10 home, all items that  could be dropped if you don't need them or have them available, saving a bit less than $150.

    *ADDED AS AN EDIT*

    DoH!

    Forgot the memory and HDD (I changed the HDD to a better choice 8/1 2149 EST).  I should not do this when I am half asleep...

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148545

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA5AD2NA9155

    With this minus the OS, about $615 + shipping, probably about $50.

    Post edited by GladDog on


    The world is going to the dogs, which is just how I planned it!


  • dg29031994dg29031994 Member UncommonPosts: 135
    yes, mostly for gaming, he doesnt need it right now though, he wants to buy a new one but his current one is good but is like almost 6 years old
  • dg29031994dg29031994 Member UncommonPosts: 135
    And a window version is not needed. we have our own
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    There is a big gulf in hardware between $500 and $800. We all would like our rigs to be cheaper than not, but you need to have your buddy commit to a budget.
  • dg29031994dg29031994 Member UncommonPosts: 135
    he said it's best to be 600$, that's his goal, he said to ignore the 800$ mark.
  • dg29031994dg29031994 Member UncommonPosts: 135
    but he is curious what would an 800$ computer has. 
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    edited August 2016
    $800 gets you into decent Intel CPU territory, with a pretty good GPU, and gives you more room for nice things like more SSD storage

    $600 gets you either an Intel CPU (but much less GPU), or pretty good GPU with AMD CPU
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483
    dg29031994 said:
    And a window version is not needed. we have our own
    It's not very likely that you can legally transfer a Windows license from a 6 year old computer to a new computer.

    Anyway, a $600 computer gets you something like an Athlon X4 (AMD Godaveri APU without the integrated graphics) plus a Radeon RX 470.  Go to $800 and you get your choice of replacing the CPU by an Intel Sky Lake quad core or getting a GeForce GTX 1070 instead for the video card.  You might think to put some extra money into the CPU and some into the GPU, but there really aren't good intermediate options on the CPU.

    Or at least that's what the options will likely be in a few weeks or so once the RX 470 is available and prices settle down.
  • GladDogGladDog Member RarePosts: 1,097
    Quizzical said:
    dg29031994 said:
    And a window version is not needed. we have our own
    It's not very likely that you can legally transfer a Windows license from a 6 year old computer to a new computer.

    Anyway, a $600 computer gets you something like an Athlon X4 (AMD Godaveri APU without the integrated graphics) plus a Radeon RX 470.  Go to $800 and you get your choice of replacing the CPU by an Intel Sky Lake quad core or getting a GeForce GTX 1070 instead for the video card.  You might think to put some extra money into the CPU and some into the GPU, but there really aren't good intermediate options on the CPU.

    Or at least that's what the options will likely be in a few weeks or so once the RX 470 is available and prices settle down.
    If it is an OEM version of Windows, then as long as it is only used on one machine it is legal.

    Going to a 6th gen i5, proper motherboard and DDR4 memory adds about $200 to the build, and since you don't get the benefits of dual graphics you need to spend more on a video card, at least $100 more.  That setup was over his top budget by quite a bit, which is why I went with the A10 APU on my build.  I'd rather see a setup with an i5, but with a top budget of $800 that isn't viable, not for gaming.


    The world is going to the dogs, which is just how I planned it!


  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    edited August 2016
    No shipping:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1UH3Z96233
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157685
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231963
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1N83U90965
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236339
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811235051
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125836

    Total: $533.

    For +65 bucks you can get i5-6400.


    The problem currently is non-availability of RX 480, that would be a great pick ($200) if you could wait.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483
    GladDog said:
    Quizzical said:
    dg29031994 said:
    And a window version is not needed. we have our own
    It's not very likely that you can legally transfer a Windows license from a 6 year old computer to a new computer.

    Anyway, a $600 computer gets you something like an Athlon X4 (AMD Godaveri APU without the integrated graphics) plus a Radeon RX 470.  Go to $800 and you get your choice of replacing the CPU by an Intel Sky Lake quad core or getting a GeForce GTX 1070 instead for the video card.  You might think to put some extra money into the CPU and some into the GPU, but there really aren't good intermediate options on the CPU.

    Or at least that's what the options will likely be in a few weeks or so once the RX 470 is available and prices settle down.
    If it is an OEM version of Windows, then as long as it is only used on one machine it is legal.

    Going to a 6th gen i5, proper motherboard and DDR4 memory adds about $200 to the build, and since you don't get the benefits of dual graphics you need to spend more on a video card, at least $100 more.  That setup was over his top budget by quite a bit, which is why I went with the A10 APU on my build.  I'd rather see a setup with an i5, but with a top budget of $800 that isn't viable, not for gaming.
    If it's an OEM version of Windows, then moving it from one computer to another is explicitly forbidden by the license.  If it's a computer you bought from Dell or HP or some such, then Microsoft will probably enforce that pretty strictly, too.  If you bought an OEM version yourself off of New Egg, they're more lenient about it, but it's still forbidden by the license.
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    Quizzical said:
    GladDog said:
    Quizzical said:
    And a window version is not needed. we have our own
    It's not very likely that you can legally transfer a Windows license from a 6 year old computer to a new computer.

    Anyway, a $600 computer gets you something like an Athlon X4 (AMD Godaveri APU without the integrated graphics) plus a Radeon RX 470.  Go to $800 and you get your choice of replacing the CPU by an Intel Sky Lake quad core or getting a GeForce GTX 1070 instead for the video card.  You might think to put some extra money into the CPU and some into the GPU, but there really aren't good intermediate options on the CPU.

    Or at least that's what the options will likely be in a few weeks or so once the RX 470 is available and prices settle down.
    If it is an OEM version of Windows, then as long as it is only used on one machine it is legal.

    Going to a 6th gen i5, proper motherboard and DDR4 memory adds about $200 to the build, and since you don't get the benefits of dual graphics you need to spend more on a video card, at least $100 more.  That setup was over his top budget by quite a bit, which is why I went with the A10 APU on my build.  I'd rather see a setup with an i5, but with a top budget of $800 that isn't viable, not for gaming.
    If it's an OEM version of Windows, then moving it from one computer to another is explicitly forbidden by the license.  If it's a computer you bought from Dell or HP or some such, then Microsoft will probably enforce that pretty strictly, too.  If you bought an OEM version yourself off of New Egg, they're more lenient about it, but it's still forbidden by the license.
    Actually, this has changed minorly with Windows 10.

    OEM pre-installed on an OEM computer (Dell, HP, etc) - this is true. You cannot transfer the license off. This is also true for all versions of Windows prior to 10.

    For Windows 10, for OEM licenses purchased separately from the computer, those may be transferred. 

    And if you live in Germany, the law there states that your software must transfer, and EULA does explicitly exempt Germany from the transfer restriction.

    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Useterms/OEM/Windows/10/UseTerms_OEM_Windows_10_English.htm


  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483
    Ridelynn said:
    Quizzical said:
    GladDog said:
    Quizzical said:
    And a window version is not needed. we have our own
    It's not very likely that you can legally transfer a Windows license from a 6 year old computer to a new computer.

    Anyway, a $600 computer gets you something like an Athlon X4 (AMD Godaveri APU without the integrated graphics) plus a Radeon RX 470.  Go to $800 and you get your choice of replacing the CPU by an Intel Sky Lake quad core or getting a GeForce GTX 1070 instead for the video card.  You might think to put some extra money into the CPU and some into the GPU, but there really aren't good intermediate options on the CPU.

    Or at least that's what the options will likely be in a few weeks or so once the RX 470 is available and prices settle down.
    If it is an OEM version of Windows, then as long as it is only used on one machine it is legal.

    Going to a 6th gen i5, proper motherboard and DDR4 memory adds about $200 to the build, and since you don't get the benefits of dual graphics you need to spend more on a video card, at least $100 more.  That setup was over his top budget by quite a bit, which is why I went with the A10 APU on my build.  I'd rather see a setup with an i5, but with a top budget of $800 that isn't viable, not for gaming.
    If it's an OEM version of Windows, then moving it from one computer to another is explicitly forbidden by the license.  If it's a computer you bought from Dell or HP or some such, then Microsoft will probably enforce that pretty strictly, too.  If you bought an OEM version yourself off of New Egg, they're more lenient about it, but it's still forbidden by the license.
    Actually, this has changed minorly with Windows 10.

    OEM pre-installed on an OEM computer (Dell, HP, etc) - this is true. You cannot transfer the license off. This is also true for all versions of Windows prior to 10.

    For Windows 10, for OEM licenses purchased separately from the computer, those may be transferred. 

    And if you live in Germany, the law there states that your software must transfer, and EULA does explicitly exempt Germany from the transfer restriction.

    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Useterms/OEM/Windows/10/UseTerms_OEM_Windows_10_English.htm


    A six year old computer presumably didn't buy Windows 10.  But is it allowed to upgrade Windows 7 to Windows 10, then transfer the license?
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    "Upgrades" take on the license type of the parent, but replace the EULA with their own. So if you upgrade from Win7 to Win10 with an Upgrade license, your Windows license now falls under the Win10 EULA, for whatever edition of Win7 you upgraded from (OEM or Retail), and everything that was Win7 is pretty well gone, except the original Key, which proves the original form of ownership.

    Granted, Microsoft doesn't sell "Upgrade" editions any longer, so this really only applies to the promotional free copy of Win10 (they did something similar for Win8, a promotional upgrade, but no boxed "Upgrade" editions like they had for previous versions).

    So yes, you could upgrade from Win7 to Win10, then you fall under the Win10 license transfer rules, provided that it wasn't pre-installed on an OEM machine and you bought the Win7 OEM disc yourself.


  • dg29031994dg29031994 Member UncommonPosts: 135
    edited August 2016
    ok, lets stop the window discussion :D, The version I have for my friend is a win8 I got from local bestbuy as a gift and it is unused.
  • dg29031994dg29031994 Member UncommonPosts: 135
    Gdemami said:
    No shipping:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1UH3Z96233
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157685
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231963
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1N83U90965
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236339
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811235051
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125836

    Total: $533.

    For +65 bucks you can get i5-6400.


    The problem currently is non-availability of RX 480, that would be a great pick ($200) if you could wait.
    This seem like a good one. I looked into that RX 480 before making this post and I was wondering if they discontinue it.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483
    dg29031994 said:
    Gdemami said:
    No shipping:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1UH3Z96233
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157685
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231963
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1N83U90965
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236339
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811235051
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125836

    Total: $533.

    For +65 bucks you can get i5-6400.


    The problem currently is non-availability of RX 480, that would be a great pick ($200) if you could wait.
    This seem like a good one. I looked into that RX 480 before making this post and I was wondering if they discontinue it.
    That's Gdemami's patented "dual core CPU with a memory channel vacant" build.  That's really not what you want, on any budget.  There's also no SSD, so the whole system is going to be sluggish.  Even if you want to go with just a hard drive, a 4 year old WD Blue is going to be slow even as hard drives go.

    And no, the RX 480 isn't discontinued.  Quite the opposite.  It's very new, which is why supplies are short and they're not able to keep them in stock at MSRP.

    If you're inclined to wait for the video cards to come in stock, then prices on everything else will change by then, which is why I'm not bothering to post a full build at the moment.
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    edited August 2016
    dg29031994 said:
    This seem like a good one. I looked into that RX 480 before making this post and I was wondering if they discontinue it.
    RX 480 is a new card, not discontinued. There are severe supply issues but the card is damn fast for the money and worth waiting. For $200 you can get a performance of $300 card a year ago. Very nice jump in performance.

    You can ignore Quizzical's patented "as fast CPU as you can get with SSD over anything" builds. That's really not what you want, on any budget.

    Proof is in the pudding:
    http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/71760-intel-skylake-i5-6500-i5-6400-i3-6100-review-10.html
    http://pclab.pl/art66945-22.html
    http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2394-amd-athlon-x4-880k-cpu-review-and-benchmark
    Post edited by Gdemami on
  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,973
    edited August 2016
    yes, mostly for gaming, he doesnt need it right now though, he wants to buy a new one but his current one is good but is like almost 6 years old
    What kind of system that old one is?

    You could use your old case and DVD drive from your old system, those components don't really ever get too old.

    Your old hard disk should also be usable. I wouldn't suggest going with only a 6 year old hard disk in a new computer, but you could get a SSD for operating system plus some most used games and programs, then your old hard disk would be good extra storage space.

    Your old system likely has DDR3 RAM. That could still be usable even with a new system. If it has Intel Core 2000 -series processor or newer, then you could also keep your old motherboard and just switch to a faster processor.

    If your old power supply is good, you can save money by keeping that power supply too. If it's a budget power supply of questionable quality, then I wouldn't keep it after 6 years, but a good power supply from 6 years ago is still ok choice even today.
    Post edited by Vrika on
     
  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,973
    edited August 2016
    Avoid that system. RAM works in dual channel mode, which means that 2 sticks of RAM transfer data together at twice the bandwidth of a single RAM stick. You'll want to have a kit of 2 identical RAM sticks (eg. 2x 4GB RAM stick to get total of 8 GB).

    It doesn't cost much extra to get dual channel RAM. Get a set of 2 RAM sticks.


    You should also try to get SSD hard disk if you can afford to. Though this also depends on how much data you want to store on the computer. If you're okay with 480 GB of SSD space, that would cose maybe a bit under 120$ and would be a good solution. If you need more hard disk space than that, then SSD space is just too expensive and you'll need to buy a HDD even if SSD is five times faster.

    More expensive computer builds can use a solution where you get one SSD for speed, then one HDD for large storage space, but on your budget you might not want to use that solution.


    Otherwise the system suggested by Gdemami looks okay.

    RX 480 would be a really good card if they'd ever get those 200$ models in stock. You might want to wait until they get some in stock.
    Post edited by Vrika on
     
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    edited August 2016
    Vrika said:
    Avoid that system. RAM works in dual channel mode, which means that 2 sticks of RAM transfer data together at twice the bandwidth of a single RAM stick. You'll want to have a kit of 2 identical RAM sticks (eg. 2x 4GB RAM stick to get total of 8 GB).
    That is merely just a paper number. It has no performance impact apart from heavy video editing, and even there it just means saved couple seconds.

    It is simply optional - you either get 2 sticks or 1 with room for upgrade later.


    Regarding SSD, with $600 budget, you either get i5 or SSD and i5 is better money spent, imo.


    Good tips on salvaging parts off the old computer tho...
  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    edited August 2016
    NO, youe never want a single RAM stick in your computer and you dont want any of old gen graphic cards, AMD RX470 (that will be launched in 2 days) or RX480 4GB are really worth the wait and the money as those are 45-60% faster than old generation cards for same money.
  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,973
    Gdemami said:
    Vrika said:
    Avoid that system. RAM works in dual channel mode, which means that 2 sticks of RAM transfer data together at twice the bandwidth of a single RAM stick. You'll want to have a kit of 2 identical RAM sticks (eg. 2x 4GB RAM stick to get total of 8 GB).
    That is merely just a paper number. It has no performance impact apart from heavy video editing, and even there it just means saved couple seconds.

    It is simply optional - you either get 2 sticks or 1 with room for upgrade later.

    The performance impact is really small, but the cost difference is only 4 dollars. 

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231962
     
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    edited August 2016
    Vrika said:
    The performance impact is really small, but the cost difference is only 4 dollars. 

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231962
    It isn't a matter of cost, I never argued that.

    The board sports 2 DIMM slots only so it boils down to whether you believe 8GB will be enough for the life time of the machine or not.
    Post edited by Gdemami on
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