This is the best way to go forward as the level of hysteria by the lack of responsibility on the buyer who just goes out without doing any research and buying something has reached levels where personal responsibility is negligible. They then decide to go everywhere and crap over stuff they imagined in their head.
So limiting exposure is the best way to ensure this does not happen with frequency and people learn to be patient.
Sweet! Lets blame the buyers and not the gaming media that gets paid to overhype the crap out of games like No Mans Sky. I got 40 minutes of video that will show you just how bad the media is about over hyping games before release.
I am absolutely speechless that you feel the marketing and hype behind games should continue with no actual gameplay videos being shown before release, just like No Mans Sky because that is exactly what the gaming industry needs, more hype and less actual information about games before release.
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
I have mixed feelings on this. On the positive side, at least the media will be reviewing a game that is more representative of the final version. However, the biggest problem with it is with day one sales. As a consumer, I do like to make an informed decision, and reviews do play into that. So if the game isn't available for review prior to release, do I buy it right away? Maybe not. Does it make me not pre-order a Bethesda product? Probably not. They're generally a buggy mess at release anyway For other companies who follow the trend, though, would something like this be detrimental for them? Obviously sales decline incrementally following release, so you want to capitalize as much as possible at release. Unless these pre-release reviews are actually hurting sales.
I guess time will tell!!!
Well it falls into the classic, or pre-order before you play or see gameplay... That has been the usual. I think also there has not been official reviews on Early Access / Unreleased games; of course the games can still have bad first impressions. Or the opposite; like The Division.
This is the best way to go forward as the level of hysteria by the lack of responsibility on the buyer who just goes out without doing any research and buying something has reached levels where personal responsibility is negligible. They then decide to go everywhere and crap over stuff they imagined in their head.
So limiting exposure is the best way to ensure this does not happen with frequency and people learn to be patient.
Sweet! Lets blame the buyers and not the gaming media that gets paid to overhype the crap out of games like No Mans Sky. I got 40 minutes of video that will show you just how bad the media is about over hyping games before release.
I am absolutely speechless that you feel the marketing and hype behind games should continue with no actual gameplay videos being shown before release, just like No Mans Sky because that is exactly what the gaming industry needs, more hype and less actual information about games before release.
Yes this is a harsh world learn to be patient and not buy blindly. Why shouldn't I blame the impatient ,naive and gullible player that buys then complains and refuses to take responsibility for their own rash purchases. Don't be stupid with your money . Make sure you spend your money wisely.
This is the best way to go forward as the level of hysteria by the lack of responsibility on the buyer who just goes out without doing any research and buying something has reached levels where personal responsibility is negligible. They then decide to go everywhere and crap over stuff they imagined in their head.
So limiting exposure is the best way to ensure this does not happen with frequency and people learn to be patient.
Sweet! Lets blame the buyers and not the gaming media that gets paid to overhype the crap out of games like No Mans Sky. I got 40 minutes of video that will show you just how bad the media is about over hyping games before release.
I am absolutely speechless that you feel the marketing and hype behind games should continue with no actual gameplay videos being shown before release, just like No Mans Sky because that is exactly what the gaming industry needs, more hype and less actual information about games before release.
Yes this is a harsh world learn to be patient and not buy blindly. Why shouldn't I blame the impatient ,naive and gullible player that buys then complains and refuses to take responsibility for their own rash purchases. Don't be stupid with your money . Make sure you spend your money wisely.
So it is the "impatient, naive and gullible player" who is at fault for buying No Mans Sky based on the gaming media and developer interviews saying it has PvP and multiplayer functionality when it clearly does not?
We need reviews featuring actual gameplay like those from Angry Joe and Total Biscuit to help us see past the hype created from the devs and gaming media. Without those, you just have to take the devs word for what is actually in the game. I think most of us can agree, that is not a good idea.
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
I think Bethesda just wants to sell as many pre-orders as possible without reviews influencing the process. So without early reviews, Bethesda does not feel the pressure to produce quality games.
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I think Bethesda just wants to sell as many pre-orders as possible without reviews influencing the process. So without early reviews, Bethesda does not feel the pressure to produce quality games.
I think the entire gaming industry saw the power of hype and the benefit of NOT releasing the actual game to reviewers until launch with No Mans Sky. Think about how many sales that game would have lost if Angry Joes review had come out on launch day or a day before launch day?
If gaming companies can control all the information about a game up until release, we will have many more disasters like No Mans Sky in the future.
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
Wont change the fact, wont buy it unless I can play it. Also, I dont even look into a game unless I get to watch reviewers test the product. Means I will miss more launches, Im fine with that. Will just take a week or two longer before they may get my money.
I think Bethesda just wants to sell as many pre-orders as possible without reviews influencing the process. So without early reviews, Bethesda does not feel the pressure to produce quality games.
I think the entire gaming industry saw the power of hype and the benefit of NOT releasing the actual game to reviewers until launch with No Mans Sky. Think about how many sales that game would have lost if Angry Joes review had come out on launch day or a day before launch day?
If gaming companies can control all the information about a game up until release, we will have many more disasters like No Mans Sky in the future.
This is why i no longer pre order games, and wait till the review sites cover them. Most "bonus's" are garbage anyway these days, and thier is little advantage to having a game hour one, day one. I also don't support companies that pull this bs.
People only have themselves to blame. Until they target where it hurts these companies, i.e. the wallet, nothing will change. And it will only get worse the more they get away with it - current bahaviour from consumers in fact encourages them to push it even further.
This is fine, nobody buy the games until they're 100% sure of it's quality.
Many people lack that sort of self control, they are governed by their impulses.
And these companies will continue to take advantage of this fact, and we will continue to be swamped with unfinished, buggy, DLC sliced and diced, poor quality piece of shit games, that require months and months of patches to "fix".
Companies dont care, cause people keep giving them money regardless.
I think Bethesda just wants to sell as many pre-orders as possible without reviews influencing the process. So without early reviews, Bethesda does not feel the pressure to produce quality games.
I think the entire gaming industry saw the power of hype and the benefit of NOT releasing the actual game to reviewers until launch with No Mans Sky. Think about how many sales that game would have lost if Angry Joes review had come out on launch day or a day before launch day?
If gaming companies can control all the information about a game up until release, we will have many more disasters like No Mans Sky in the future.
think your post is highlighting what they want to avoid, not promote....
fallout 4 was a major deal not because of early release copies or hidden controlled information it got a big stage blow out an a short release window that made everyone want it, it was a show with a lot of flair an was easy to get caught up an enjoy the hype.
they want repeat that an make major events out their games, present them as flashy new an coming soon! if you buy into that you know what you're getting, if don't like it then you should avoid all forms of media because unless someone just love to complain 90% of pregame/movie/tv/book news will be positive an hype.
What is so difficult about waiting for the game to come out and then reading reviews and watching twitch and other sources before making a purchase. If you cannot curb your impatience then suffer the consequences. I have no sympathy for the uninformed , gullible and "I must buy this now" consumer.
Thankfully this decision does not affect me. Nowadays it is rare for me to pre-order a game unless I get hands on experience with the game first. I've got a big backlog of games I haven't played yet in my steam account, which I picked up in sales etc. that I just tend to wait for sales or GOTY editions to games I'm interested in. This gives me plenty of time to find out if the game is good or a PoS.
I don't want to tell people how to spend their money but if people could be a little less impulsive, show a bit more self control and wait to after the game is released before buying, it would enforce game publishers to rein in some of their more dubious practices.
This is not consumer friendly. This is not the right way to go.
While I see your point in a general way, I really do believe that people need to draw their own conclusions. How many times has a review been published that has been shouted down as bad or "just one guy's (or gal's) opinion" and what not? And how many times, if the review is positive, are reviewers accused of being PAID SHILLS or, conversely, if the review is negative, that they are STUPID? Nearly 100% of the time. Previews will still be posted and, in this day and age, everyone needs to expect a day or week 1 patch. It's just become the norm.
I love my job, but writing reviews is one of the hardest and most frustrating article types I write since when all is said and done, it's just my opinion even as hard as I try (and I do try!) to be objective.
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I think this is more of a realization that commercial/paid for reviews are not taken as seriously any more.
Too many games have received high critic scores out of the gate and been crap. TW:Rome2, NMS, and even just now Civ6 is getting critic scores in the 90s and player scores below 80.
Personally, I don't trust any "professional" review any more, and I am not alone.
At metacritic highest paid review for NMS on PC was 75 with an average of 61, average for TW:Rome2 was 76 and nothing like the 90s you talk about.
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Its not a bad thing in itself, but i would respect Bethesda's decision more if they also said that they would not allow pre-orders for their games in the future. For me, it just means that i will wait that little bit longer to decide whether to buy into a game or not, these days, not doing research on a game before buying it, is somewhat mad, so yeah, i let game critics and reviewers such as Angry Joe, Total Biscuit, Lazy Peon etc. Do their thing and decide from that, whether a game is worth buying, those guys have saved me money in the past, and likely will continue to do so in the future.
On another note, have Bethesda ever released a game that didn't need the modding community to enhance/fix their games and make them more fun? @alkarionlog ; made a good point with that, its the modders that made their games popular and gave them extended life, Skyrim being a prime example, as i suspect is fallout 4.
I think this is more of a realization that commercial/paid for reviews are not taken as seriously any more.
Too many games have received high critic scores out of the gate and been crap. TW:Rome2, NMS, and even just now Civ6 is getting critic scores in the 90s and player scores below 80.
Personally, I don't trust any "professional" review any more, and I am not alone.
At metacritic highest paid review for NMS on PC was 75 with an average of 61, average for TW:Rome2 was 76 and nothing like the 90s you talk about.
Must be a different universe than I live in, because there were 20+ 90s from so called professional critics when TW:Rome2 launched. There was even one that gave that game 100, for a game with terrible bugs, a rock stupid AI, CTDs, and everything else for a full priced $60 title. 20% of people could not even start the game.
It took them 6 months of patching to make that pile of drek playable.
Go look at the forums from the launch period.
That does not look like a 90+ game to me.
Edit: Apparently, you have problems with reading comprehension, because all of those 90+ reviews I mentioned are still there. Notice the September 2 date on them, that being the release date. Those being the reviews of the pre-release content. Most of the reviews dragging down the score did not happen until later. I.E., the actual released game.
On another note, have Bethesda ever released a game that didn't need the modding community to enhance/fix their games and make them more fun? @alkarionlog ; made a good point with that, its the modders that made their games popular and gave them extended life, Skyrim being a prime example, as i suspect is fallout 4.
Not in my opinion, I've never felt I needed a mod to enjoy a TES title, the only mods I ever download are armor mods, for more variety in craftable goods. I haven't modded FO4 at all yet. I haven't seen any mods of interest. You do also realize they were just as popular on console going all the way back to Morrowind, which no one was modding any of those titles on those systems.
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This is not consumer friendly. This is not the right way to go.
While I see your point in a general way, I really do believe that people need to draw their own conclusions. How many times has a review been published that has been shouted down as bad or "just one guy's (or gal's) opinion" and what not? And how many times, if the review is positive, are reviewers accused of being PAID SHILLS or, conversely, if the review is negative, that they are STUPID? Nearly 100% of the time. Previews will still be posted and, in this day and age, everyone needs to expect a day or week 1 patch. It's just become the norm.
I love my job, but writing reviews is one of the hardest and most frustrating article types I write since when all is said and done, it's just my opinion even as hard as I try (and I do try!) to be objective.
1) Day/Week 1 patches should NOT be the norm. It happens because we let it happen.
2) Since game companies put so much weight on Day 1 and pre-order sales consumers are pressured to buy right away without enough information on whether or not the game is any good or has technical bugs.
I don't buy this "oh you need self control and not get something right away" claim in light of all the hype companies generate. They encourage the consumer to trust them then they abuse that trust. The lack of review copies is just more proof of that.
For me its quite simple - I don't buy until i get a hands-on demo/trial.
How in the world can I make an informed decision about a video game until I try it myself first?
I can do research, watch videos until I'm blue in the face - and still might dislike the game once I play it first hand.
There's no substitute for actual hands-on gameplay.
So you don't buy games like TES, The Witcher, Dragon's Dogma, etc? As none of them had demos or trials. Very few single player titles have trials or demos in this day and age.
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I am absolutely speechless that you feel the marketing and hype behind games should continue with no actual gameplay videos being shown before release, just like No Mans Sky because that is exactly what the gaming industry needs, more hype and less actual information about games before release.
What are you talking about? There was plenty of game-play footage on IGN to watch leading up to NMS's release, it's exactly why I never bought it.
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I am absolutely speechless that you feel the marketing and hype behind games should continue with no actual gameplay videos being shown before release, just like No Mans Sky because that is exactly what the gaming industry needs, more hype and less actual information about games before release.
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We need reviews featuring actual gameplay like those from Angry Joe and Total Biscuit to help us see past the hype created from the devs and gaming media. Without those, you just have to take the devs word for what is actually in the game. I think most of us can agree, that is not a good idea.
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plus that can help for ppl that always ask if it will run "fine" on their PC
If gaming companies can control all the information about a game up until release, we will have many more disasters like No Mans Sky in the future.
People only have themselves to blame. Until they target where it hurts these companies, i.e. the wallet, nothing will change. And it will only get worse the more they get away with it - current bahaviour from consumers in fact encourages them to push it even further.
Companies dont care, cause people keep giving them money regardless.
think your post is highlighting what they want to avoid, not promote....
fallout 4 was a major deal not because of early release copies or hidden controlled information it got a big stage blow out an a short release window that made everyone want it, it was a show with a lot of flair an was easy to get caught up an enjoy the hype.
they want repeat that an make major events out their games, present them as flashy new an coming soon! if you buy into that you know what you're getting, if don't like it then you should avoid all forms of media because unless someone just love to complain 90% of pregame/movie/tv/book news will be positive an hype.
I don't want to tell people how to spend their money but if people could be a little less impulsive, show a bit more self control and wait to after the game is released before buying, it would enforce game publishers to rein in some of their more dubious practices.
- RPG Quiz - can you get all 25 right?
- FPS Quiz - how well do you know your shooters?
For me, it just means that i will wait that little bit longer to decide whether to buy into a game or not, these days, not doing research on a game before buying it, is somewhat mad, so yeah, i let game critics and reviewers such as Angry Joe, Total Biscuit, Lazy Peon etc. Do their thing and decide from that, whether a game is worth buying, those guys have saved me money in the past, and likely will continue to do so in the future.
On another note, have Bethesda ever released a game that didn't need the modding community to enhance/fix their games and make them more fun? @alkarionlog ; made a good point with that, its the modders that made their games popular and gave them extended life, Skyrim being a prime example, as i suspect is fallout 4.
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Must be a different universe than I live in, because there were 20+ 90s from so called professional critics when TW:Rome2 launched. There was even one that gave that game 100, for a game with terrible bugs, a rock stupid AI, CTDs, and everything else for a full priced $60 title. 20% of people could not even start the game.
It took them 6 months of patching to make that pile of drek playable.
Go look at the forums from the launch period.
That does not look like a 90+ game to me.
Edit: Apparently, you have problems with reading comprehension, because all of those 90+ reviews I mentioned are still there. Notice the September 2 date on them, that being the release date. Those being the reviews of the pre-release content. Most of the reviews dragging down the score did not happen until later. I.E., the actual released game.
That. Is. The. Point.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
2) Since game companies put so much weight on Day 1 and pre-order sales consumers are pressured to buy right away without enough information on whether or not the game is any good or has technical bugs.
I don't buy this "oh you need self control and not get something right away" claim in light of all the hype companies generate. They encourage the consumer to trust them then they abuse that trust. The lack of review copies is just more proof of that.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
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