Hate isn't the only thing that's fashionable, sweetie. But kudos to you for being able to overlook something superficial like the worst animation work done in a AAA video game for the last 5 years. You're really an enlightened treasure among gamers. Good for you.
How nice of you to say, tootsie..... Animations are a small part of a game's features/designs, it's one of the last things some of us are concerned with when playing games. I find things like intriguing story lines, exploration, RP possibilities, deepness of lore/universe created, etc.. to be far more important than how fluid this or that movement was. Many great RPGs over the years have been marred by less than stellar animations, combat, etc... That didn't detract from their overall worth one bit..
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The animation thing is understandable - but why are we OK with Fallout 4 and Dragon Age's same issue and suddenly it's a problem with MEA?
With all due respect Bill, those two games came out in 2014/2015. I also don't think they were as bad, personally. I don't mind the lip sync thing, but the awkward android-like expressions are just that, awkward.
I do think it has been exaggerated as far as the game as a whole goes though. Anyone can make a 5 minute video with only the bad things out of a game featuring dozens of hours of gameplay.
Hate isn't the only thing that's fashionable, sweetie. But kudos to you for being able to overlook something superficial like the worst animation work done in a AAA video game for the last 5 years. You're really an enlightened treasure among gamers. Good for you.
How nice of you to say, tootsie..... Animations are a small part of a game's features/designs, it's one of the last things some of us are concerned with when playing games. I find things like intriguing story lines, exploration, RP possibilities, deepness of lore/universe created, etc.. to be far more important than how fluid this or that movement was. Many great RPGs over the years have been marred by less than stellar animations, combat, etc... That didn't detract from their overall worth one bit..
I have to agree. I mean, is Baldur's gate that "great" when it comes to animations? Maybe for the time it was ok but in truth it was just representative of walking, fighting, what have you. In no way shape or form were they going for "real".
Same with Morrowind. Horrible animations there.
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Some don't and are deeply hurt, even discouraged. Some give a literal no fucks. Others just outright ignore it and do what they want. A lot of developers start off well then end up just doing it because it is a job to put food on the table.
I'm sure somewhere in Bioware there is a developer that is bothered by the reviews and hate. Though willing to wager most just don't care.
I sincerely doubt that.
As a programmer myself, I'm always proud of my work, and it gives me immense validation to see people using (and appreciating) what I create.
I've met VERY few programmers in my life that "give no fucks" about what people thought of their work. But lucky for me, I'm not in the game development industry...
I was just saying there are all kinds, I in no way said they are all like that.
After watching several videos of MEA gameplay, I have to say that I wouldn't even make it far enough into this hot mess to worry about something as piddly as animations. I fail to see the point of this "witch hunt" reference made in the above "review", considering that the game has issues that go far beyond animations.
How about the tiny, linear "planets" that offer nothing in the form of exploration? Planets on rails do not make for a very good spacefaring game, sorry. Or how about combat that still uses underwhelming powers and a tiny white targeting reticule that gets lost on-screen? Or perhaps that God-awful UI and interface, full of layer upon layer of difficult-to-navigate menus that seem to be little more than a time sink, or an untested feature.
And let's not forget the scanning! Seriously, have you ever seen a more un-fun, but completely necessary, activity? Good God, now that's one animation I think we can all hate, especially when you throw in the delay and the fact that you cannot see much of anything else while you are scanning. And in every gameplay video I have seen, the players scan, scan, scan, ad nauseum. Seriously, is this the best they can do? Honestly, this is the same sort of money-grab that the so-called Skyrim "special edition" was: a thrown-together bugfest with really no interesting features, but the company making it knows that drooling idiots will run out and buy it for $60, no matter what. I'll be skipping MEA, and am glad to do it.
cant remember the game atm but im sure there was a game that forced you to "scan" and "scan" again .....i think it was DA : I ....(yeah bioware loves scanning lol)
Hate isn't the only thing that's fashionable, sweetie. But kudos to you for being able to overlook something superficial like the worst animation work done in a AAA video game for the last 5 years. You're really an enlightened treasure among gamers. Good for you.
How nice of you to say, tootsie..... Animations are a small part of a game's features/designs, it's one of the last things some of us are concerned with when playing games. I find things like intriguing story lines, exploration, RP possibilities, deepness of lore/universe created, etc.. to be far more important than how fluid this or that movement was. Many great RPGs over the years have been marred by less than stellar animations, combat, etc... That didn't detract from their overall worth one bit..
I have to agree. I mean, is Baldur's gate that "great" when it comes to animations? Maybe for the time it was ok but in truth it was just representative of walking, fighting, what have you. In no way shape or form were they going for "real".
Same with Morrowind. Horrible animations there.
Good point.. Even back then (the 90s, early 2000s) there were games that had great animations, that didn't make them superior games to others that didn't though. Morrowind is a great example of this. It probably has some of the worst animations ever TBH, yet it was much better to my taste than something like Fable, which had great animation. Skip ahead to Oblivion same deal, most games at that time had better animations. That didn't make them better than Oblivion as RPGs.
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He started the review by saying it would be a bias one, I don't know why you guys are freaking out over it. Bill and Suzie are obviously huge fans of the series and we should consider that when reading this review or any review written by a fan or fans of any IP.
3 words.......that's all you had to spell. Color me surprised that someone can't spend 30 seconds crafting a post to trash someone who spent hours writing a review. Thanks for your contribution to the retardation of the Internet.
I played the trilogy a bunch of times, read all 4 novels, wasn't excited for ME:A, yet at the 11th hour i caved, preordered!!! Feeling this is shaping up into a sweet ride.
...and no i didn't read this review, in fact I've read nothing much, i don't want to know any more I'll discover it myself.
This is the problem with the internet, too much crap from everyone spewing babble. I remember picking up Morrowind from the store going home installing it having zero idea what i had just bought, Half Life same deal too and completely blown away both times.
Today you can't get that feeling anymore to much noise from everyone, tbh i came home with some games where i probably would have enjoyed throwing the money i just spent straight into the garbage more, so... there are some pro's.
Pretty much had the same experience with the original ME too, i had an xbox, it was scifi game, i like scifi, so i bought it, no clue to the amazing ride i had just boarded. I guess the nutshell is no way i'm going to temp missing this train.
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The people complaining about the animations are just trolls, with nothing better to do. ME is about story and gameplay, that is all that matters and the graphics are pretty good too.
Well trolls always seem to complain about things nonincidental to the game. When you pick something as minor as animations that certainly qualifies as nonincidental.
I don't know what you people want really. Can't people write what they think any more without offending people and accusations of paid reviews. Just because you like something does not automatically equate to paid review.
Also if animations are the only issues I would be thrilled to play this.
I really dislike reviews that spend time debating criticism of a game. Your are supposed to talk about the game instead of being a fan that defends your game.
Iselin: And the next person who says "but it's a business, they need to make money" can just go fuck yourself.
Bad facial animation is not a minor problem in an RPG that does almost everything through dialogue. You can't have a serious conversation with an NPC that acts like a bad Gary's Mod meme.
Trying to distract from an amateurish animation by pointing to a fake controversy from SJW blogs was just cringe worthy and I felt embarrassed for you.
I always thought the graphics were meant to be strong points of the game. Both of them would even have pauses build into the games for the players to just stop and take in the scenery they had created. Graphics were often a key point in the story telling.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
What I find funny is that when "professional reviewers" rate a game highly but the gamer population doesn't, it's pitchforks and torches because they're all shills.
When reviewers pan a game, it's sunshine and roses and "See? They know what they're talking about".
its actually simple, professional reviewers get paid, whilst games paid for the privilage to play these games and what we have seen most professional reviews are questionable as it tend to ignore the basic most gamers look for.
in this case there's so many glaring cons how can it even get a good or ok review???
my 2 cents
I just watched ACG's buy wait or sale review. He recommends wait for a sale and he's pretty honest about his feelings in his reviews.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
It's not that I think it's fashionable to be negative towards Bioware or Blizzard. I am an unsatisfied customer with Blizzard (WoW) and Bioware (SWToR). I personally dislike design changes (nerfs) those companies have done in both of those games. It makes me actively root against them and skeptical of anything they produce (MEA, Overwatch). I won't support them by purchasing their products.
Do you remember SWTOR review on mmorpg.com at release?
If you're looking for reasons to hate a game, you'll find plenty... in ANY game.
But if you're enjoying the ride, you ignore the niggles. It's the overall experience that counts, not the small imperfections.
The internet has given everyone in the world a voice. Unfortunately, that seems to have been a mistake...
COULDN'T AGREE MORE!!
I remember back in the days of game review magazines (the paper kind...... paper is something they used to make out of trees for us to write/print on), all I could think about is how much more objective it would be if we could get reviews from the entire gaming community and not just a few gaming magazines. WOW! How wrong was I?
As I mentioned earlier, the range on nearly every single game review on Metacritic, for user reviews, is from 0-100. However, the range for critics is more in the 0-30 range. That's fucking crazy!!! It makes me laugh whenever someone talks about a lack of objectivity. I've even shown in the past how removing the ridiculously non-objective scores (like 0 through 4 and 10) actually end up boiling down to a score that is almost precisely aligned with critic scores. So why wade through mounds of bullshit from users, trying to figure out what's valid and what isn't? Once again ,the Internet ruins what should be a great tool.
Actually, it is me. Games haven't really changed over the years, none were perfect, most were and are a mix that slant towards good or bad depending on what you want in a game. I've pre-ordered all the previous ME games and even though I cringe when I think of all the mining I had to do in ME 1 and some of the problems the series had I still think of it as money well spent.
So this game didn't come across as a hit out of the park, and because of the backlog of games I have and have yet to play or finish and really want to, I decided to give it a pass for now and play it after it's been out for awhile and gets patched up and I've had time to catch up on my gaming backlog. If you did get it, enjoy! :-)
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
Hmm how come they always end up massively overhype and overrate all EA products.... lol just a coincidence
No the real question is why if EA's name is attached do folks feel opinions can't be positive? As well as if they are positive, it must have been paid for? We see the same nonsense anytime they release a game. Another question is, why do the same people typically only call the more negative reviews "honest opinions"? As if fans of a property/game are illegitimate?
I'm not even a fan of most of Bioware's work post KOTOR, yet I see most of these negative Nancy's as just that, folks who can't help but jump on a hate bandwagon aimed at anything and everything EA... Most of which swear they don't buy their products, yet then act as though they know the strengths and weaknesses of any given product they put out.. "but I watched a video" give me an effin break....
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
If you're looking for reasons to hate a game, you'll find plenty... in ANY game.
But if you're enjoying the ride, you ignore the niggles. It's the overall experience that counts, not the small imperfections.
The internet has given everyone in the world a voice. Unfortunately, that seems to have been a mistake...
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As I mentioned earlier, the range on nearly every single game review on Metacritic, for user reviews, is from 0-100. However, the range for critics is more in the 0-30 range. That's fucking crazy!!! It makes me laugh whenever someone talks about a lack of objectivity. I've even shown in the past how removing the ridiculously non-objective scores (like 0 through 4 and 10) actually end up boiling down to a score that is almost precisely aligned with critic scores. So why wade through mounds of bullshit from users, trying to figure out what's valid and what isn't? Once again ,the Internet ruins what should be a great tool.
Unfortunately, the blame there belongs to Metacritic, not the users.
They can very easily show a "normalised" rating with all the outliers trimmed, but they choose not to.
Why ?
They will be accused of attempting to "manipulate" review scores... Or of being paid lackeys of the game companies... Or of suppressing free speech...
Besides, they'll also lose those all-important page hits from the ultra fanboyz and the rabid haterz...
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For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
With all due respect Bill, those two games came out in 2014/2015. I also don't think they were as bad, personally. I don't mind the lip sync thing, but the awkward android-like expressions are just that, awkward.
I do think it has been exaggerated as far as the game as a whole goes though. Anyone can make a 5 minute video with only the bad things out of a game featuring dozens of hours of gameplay.
Same with Morrowind. Horrible animations there.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
3 words.......that's all you had to spell. Color me surprised that someone can't spend 30 seconds crafting a post to trash someone who spent hours writing a review. Thanks for your contribution to the retardation of the Internet.
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This is the problem with the internet, too much crap from everyone spewing babble. I remember picking up Morrowind from the store going home installing it having zero idea what i had just bought, Half Life same deal too and completely blown away both times. Today you can't get that feeling anymore to much noise from everyone, tbh i came home with some games where i probably would have enjoyed throwing the money i just spent straight into the garbage more, so... there are some pro's.
Pretty much had the same experience with the original ME too, i had an xbox, it was scifi game, i like scifi, so i bought it, no clue to the amazing ride i had just boarded. I guess the nutshell is no way i'm going to temp missing this train.
Also if animations are the only issues I would be thrilled to play this.
Trying to distract from an amateurish animation by pointing to a fake controversy from SJW blogs was just cringe worthy and I felt embarrassed for you.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
I just watched ACG's buy wait or sale review. He recommends wait for a sale and he's pretty honest about his feelings in his reviews.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
But if you're enjoying the ride, you ignore the niggles. It's the overall experience that counts, not the small imperfections.
The internet has given everyone in the world a voice. Unfortunately, that seems to have been a mistake...
Do you remember SWTOR review on mmorpg.com at release?
COULDN'T AGREE MORE!!
I remember back in the days of game review magazines (the paper kind...... paper is something they used to make out of trees for us to write/print on), all I could think about is how much more objective it would be if we could get reviews from the entire gaming community and not just a few gaming magazines. WOW! How wrong was I?
As I mentioned earlier, the range on nearly every single game review on Metacritic, for user reviews, is from 0-100. However, the range for critics is more in the 0-30 range. That's fucking crazy!!! It makes me laugh whenever someone talks about a lack of objectivity. I've even shown in the past how removing the ridiculously non-objective scores (like 0 through 4 and 10) actually end up boiling down to a score that is almost precisely aligned with critic scores. So why wade through mounds of bullshit from users, trying to figure out what's valid and what isn't? Once again ,the Internet ruins what should be a great tool.
Crazkanuk
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Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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So this game didn't come across as a hit out of the park, and because of the backlog of games I have and have yet to play or finish and really want to, I decided to give it a pass for now and play it after it's been out for awhile and gets patched up and I've had time to catch up on my gaming backlog. If you did get it, enjoy! :-)
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
I'm not even a fan of most of Bioware's work post KOTOR, yet I see most of these negative Nancy's as just that, folks who can't help but jump on a hate bandwagon aimed at anything and everything EA... Most of which swear they don't buy their products, yet then act as though they know the strengths and weaknesses of any given product they put out.. "but I watched a video" give me an effin break....
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
They can very easily show a "normalised" rating with all the outliers trimmed, but they choose not to.
Why ?
They will be accused of attempting to "manipulate" review scores...
Or of being paid lackeys of the game companies...
Or of suppressing free speech...
Besides, they'll also lose those all-important page hits from the ultra fanboyz and the rabid haterz...