Why dont all the pro guys come up with their OWN list and dispute the WHOLE thing. People cherry pick one or two that can be debated on semantics it surely doesnt invalidate the WHOLE list.
Typical SC fanboism to the extreme if it isnt all rainbows and unicrons shitting gum drops it isnt true and its all DS or his propaganda machine.
reality has never struck these guys despite all the garbage that has gone on. A group makes an easy to see list and highlights all that hasnt been done and the things that have been done. Whether its 1-00% accurate isnt an issue NO list would be. But it is certainly accurate enough to paint a REASONABLE picture of this whole project.
In a couple months when 3.0 Doesnt release or does release (with little to no of the features in THEIR list) Then you will see more spin.
So if on Aug 1st there is no 3.0 or the 3.0 that exists doesnt have 50% of the stuff that schedule claims it would have then what? Spun that 'EVERY MMO has delays? Or that they made yet ANOTHER list of promises and completely failed to come close to meeting them.
I just find it hilarious the fanboys all pick and choose what they want to believe and pick and choose what to cherry pick to some how fool themselves into thinking this project will ever be completed and that whatever is finally delivered is even a shadow of an idea of a dream that Chrois Roberts presented 5 or 6 years ago and has turned into this outlandish ponziesque scheme to generate money without actually MAKING anything. And then once that happens the fanboys have that 'minimal viable product' speech ROberts delivered a few months ago loaded and ready to defend it (despite the fat right now no one is even mentioning it and these guys are going on like that isnt the main option CR and crew have in mind).
Kefo said: Basic mining moved to not started (cause we haven't seen it yet)
That's BS, look at what's implied as the promise "Basic mining will be in 3.0" Not Mining as the feature of SC.
The points that were mentioned as plans or possibilities are still defended as promises there, as that one and the capturing of backer faces "broken promise"...
Kefo said: Basic mining moved to not started (cause we haven't seen it yet)
That's BS, look at what's implied as the promise "Basic mining will be in 3.0" Not Mining as the feature of SC.
The points that were mentioned as plans or possibilities are still defended as promises there, as that one and the capturing of backer faces "broken promise"...
LOL, that's why the media links were built to tag DS wennever the page gets shared, duh!
It's like a "Senpai Notice Me!"
So time to hyper focus on one point(that could very well be fixed in the future) when your other points were moved to the correct category eh? I know sometimes it's hard to admit when you're wrong but it makes you a better person when you do.
So time to hyper focus on one point(that could very well be fixed in the future) when your other points were moved to the correct category eh? I know sometimes it's hard to admit when you're wrong but it makes you a better person when you do.
Not one point, in fact, I only read through like 20% of the listed items and pretty much stopped once I found some that are rather obvious.
I'll wait to see if they are capable of objectivity when it comes to removing what was never promised, from a list of promises.
Until such, as you're not speaking on behalf of who maintains that website, it's not you who needs to defend on what I pointed against it, that goes beyond specific points but the tone, manipulation and the agenda behind the point of such website.
So time to hyper focus on one point(that could very well be fixed in the future) when your other points were moved to the correct category eh? I know sometimes it's hard to admit when you're wrong but it makes you a better person when you do.
Not one point, in fact, I only read through like 20% of the listed items and pretty much stopped once I found some that are rather obvious.
I'll wait to see if they are capable of objectivity when it comes to removing what was never promised, from a list of promises.
Until such, as you're not speaking on behalf of who maintains that website, it's not you who needs to defend on what I pointed against it.
I already pointed out that the bengal carrier, sq42 stuff and the mocap studio have been moved to the correct status. What's to say the others won't as well?
im not defending the list I'm just pointing out how the fans were wrong the the list is troll bait when clearly it's a work in progress but time to move the goalposts?
Kefo said: What's to say the others won't as well?
Then we can wait, can't we? Until then, I stand my point and belief that this has one agenda behind it, won't put blind faith on something created by goons. As for pinned, neither the official, neither fan-made tools, websites or information threads (some here are maintained for years now) were ever pinned.
Kefo said: What's to say the others won't as well?
Then we can wait, can't we? Until then, I stand my point and belief that this has one agenda behind it, won't put blind faith on something created by goons. As for pinned, neither the official, neither fan-made tools, websites or information threads (some here are maintained for years now) were ever pinned.
I'm not asking for blind faith like is required for SC (see what I did there lol) but you and a few others were trashing the file as a troll tool and never trust the goons and it seems they are fixing the things as they are reported.
Kefo said: it seems they are fixing the things as they are reported.
When it comes to fixing some obvious wrong things, even if a tool meant for trolling/anti-sc can't afford to not fix the obvious for the sake of credibility. It would be quite easy to manipulate something like this to fit one agenda without any wrong information tbh.
This thread and by proxy, this Goon website, only caught my attention due to some people arguing so vehemently against it.
The more people try to deny something the more attention they give it. Derek Smart went from a shouting man on twitter to a fully enabled internet warlord aka He Who Must Not Be Named solely because of fans of the game, not because of any virtue of his own.
Derek Smart went from a shouting man on twitter to a fully enabled internet warlord aka He Who Must Not Be Named solely because of fans of the game, not because of any virtue of his own
Really?! From what I remember the media was in the middle of him and the big attention he was given by the backers.
....he got articles with his name on sites as PCGamer with the titles of Derek Smart says Star Citizen X and Y, or when he demanded Chris Roberts to resign.
I don't think anything fueled more the strong reactions that existed to him, than the media attention he got at the start.
The earliest one that mentions Derek Smart is dated July 15th 2015 where they report on him being issued a refund by CIG due to a blog post he wrote. Clearly he was making noise before that but no media were paying attention to him, the only people who cared were fans and people within CIG.
Clearly he was making noise before that but no media were paying attention to him, the only people who cared were fans and people within CIG.
Possibly another outlet, I remember I did not even know who he was before the community started actually discussing him because the media articles where he named and his claims appeared. I wouldn't say at all the majority of the fans even knew who he was if it wasn't for the news articles.
Ah, the continuing joy! Back at the time of the kickstarter I said that the game would not be delivered as represented, and would be delayed endlessly. Predicted 2019-2020 as the likely release in '13-14. It's all in Roberts DNA. Pretty sure the 3.0 will have similar issues of being late, or being not as represented.
Star Citizen's success will depend on those long crunch scheduled workers overcoming the mismanagement at the top. Just think how far along they'd be if they had competent management! Best bet is if there's a takeover by Amazon. Shades of Digital Anvil!
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
>>>> And you know you can type their names right? Saying Donald Trump and
Derek Smart won't suddenly make them appear in your room and steal your
soul. >>>>
Talking politics is actively discouraged by the mods here in this forum. In addition: I like Orange-Hair and Vacuum-Brain - very descriptive.
And TheSmarty has a Google Alert actively searching for his name so he can chime in whenever he is mentioned anywhere in the internet. Well .... not here anymore after his recent ban ..... ;-)
Clearly he was making noise before that but no media were paying attention to him, the only people who cared were fans and people within CIG.
Possibly another outlet, I remember I did not even know who he was before the community started actually discussing him because the media articles where he named and his claims appeared. I wouldn't say at all the majority of the fans even knew who he was if it wasn't for the news articles.
The pattern I am seeing is that media did not report on anything Derek Smart until sometime in July of 2015. But as you can see here https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/3m8ev3/derek_smart_content_poll_updated/ the star citizen community was discussing him and discussing banning topics about Derek Smart three months or more prior to the media picking up the refund story.
If less attention had been paid to him the media would have had less reason to report on him and thus, less people would have known about him.
If less attention had been paid to him the media would have had less reason to report on him and thus, less people would have known about him.
That link was actually the community deciding to ban all topics related to him months after, in September, his first blogs were in June, the refund in July. I'm not saying only one side fueled the reality we know of, I talk media because it is a large fuel for the interest people would have on discussing him (and when many heard of him).
Why dont all the pro guys come up with their OWN list and dispute the WHOLE thing. People cherry pick one or two that can be debated on semantics it surely doesnt invalidate the WHOLE list.
Typical SC fanboism to the extreme if it isnt all rainbows and unicrons shitting gum drops it isnt true and its all DS or his propaganda machine.
reality has never struck these guys despite all the garbage that has gone on. A group makes an easy to see list and highlights all that hasnt been done and the things that have been done. Whether its 1-00% accurate isnt an issue NO list would be. But it is certainly accurate enough to paint a REASONABLE picture of this whole project.
In a couple months when 3.0 Doesnt release or does release (with little to no of the features in THEIR list) Then you will see more spin.
So if on Aug 1st there is no 3.0 or the 3.0 that exists doesnt have 50% of the stuff that schedule claims it would have then what? Spun that 'EVERY MMO has delays? Or that they made yet ANOTHER list of promises and completely failed to come close to meeting them.
I just find it hilarious the fanboys all pick and choose what they want to believe and pick and choose what to cherry pick to some how fool themselves into thinking this project will ever be completed and that whatever is finally delivered is even a shadow of an idea of a dream that Chrois Roberts presented 5 or 6 years ago and has turned into this outlandish ponziesque scheme to generate money without actually MAKING anything. And then once that happens the fanboys have that 'minimal viable product' speech ROberts delivered a few months ago loaded and ready to defend it (despite the fat right now no one is even mentioning it and these guys are going on like that isnt the main option CR and crew have in mind).
Bloody hell. I mean @Kefo has strong opinions about the game, but you're on a whole other level aren't ya?
If less attention had been paid to him the media would have had less reason to report on him and thus, less people would have known about him.
That link was actually the community deciding to ban all topics related to him months after, in September, his first blogs were in June, the refund in July. I'm not saying only one side fueled the reality we know of, I talk media because it is a large fuel for the interest people would have on discussing him (and when many heard of him).
Yes I am aware of what the link is, it was not meant to be the first example of Derek Smart being mentioned on the subreddit, but an example that he was being widely discussed by the community prior to the media picking up said discussions. A site like massivelyop.com gets a lot of their news from reddit.
My opinion is that if he had not been recognised and promoted by the community there would have been far less for the media to run with, instead the community turned him into a boogeyman and then went a step further by making it sound as though all dissenters supported Derek Smart's extreme opinions which exacerbated the tribalness of the community.
Do we argue with every sandwich board wearing doomsayer or every extremist preacher stood on his soap box or do we just walk on by? I know I do the latter because to give these people attention is to recognise what they have to say.
This is why I feel making a big deal out of a harmless website will only come back to bite, by calling attention to it more people will hear about it and visit the website and then repeat the false information contained within, thus doing the Goon's work for them.
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Typical SC fanboism to the extreme if it isnt all rainbows and unicrons shitting gum drops it isnt true and its all DS or his propaganda machine.
reality has never struck these guys despite all the garbage that has gone on. A group makes an easy to see list and highlights all that hasnt been done and the things that have been done. Whether its 1-00% accurate isnt an issue NO list would be. But it is certainly accurate enough to paint a REASONABLE picture of this whole project.
In a couple months when 3.0 Doesnt release or does release (with little to no of the features in THEIR list) Then you will see more spin.
So if on Aug 1st there is no 3.0 or the 3.0 that exists doesnt have 50% of the stuff that schedule claims it would have then what? Spun that 'EVERY MMO has delays? Or that they made yet ANOTHER list of promises and completely failed to come close to meeting them.
I just find it hilarious the fanboys all pick and choose what they want to believe and pick and choose what to cherry pick to some how fool themselves into thinking this project will ever be completed and that whatever is finally delivered is even a shadow of an idea of a dream that Chrois Roberts presented 5 or 6 years ago and has turned into this outlandish ponziesque scheme to generate money without actually MAKING anything. And then once that happens the fanboys have that 'minimal viable product' speech ROberts delivered a few months ago loaded and ready to defend it (despite the fat right now no one is even mentioning it and these guys are going on like that isnt the main option CR and crew have in mind).
Not Mining as the feature of SC.
The points that were mentioned as plans or possibilities are still defended as promises there, as that one and the capturing of backer faces "broken promise"...
LOL, that's why the media links were built to tag DS wennever the page gets shared, duh!
It's like a "Senpai Notice Me!"
So time to hyper focus on one point(that could very well be fixed in the future) when your other points were moved to the correct category eh? I know sometimes it's hard to admit when you're wrong but it makes you a better person when you do.
I'll wait to see if they are capable of objectivity when it comes to removing what was never promised, from a list of promises.
Until such, as you're not speaking on behalf of who maintains that website, it's not you who needs to defend on what I pointed against it, that goes beyond specific points but the tone, manipulation and the agenda behind the point of such website.
I already pointed out that the bengal carrier, sq42 stuff and the mocap studio have been moved to the correct status. What's to say the others won't as well?
im not defending the list I'm just pointing out how the fans were wrong the the list is troll bait when clearly it's a work in progress but time to move the goalposts?
I'm not asking for blind faith like is required for SC (see what I did there lol) but you and a few others were trashing the file as a troll tool and never trust the goons and it seems they are fixing the things as they are reported.
The more people try to deny something the more attention they give it. Derek Smart went from a shouting man on twitter to a fully enabled internet warlord aka He Who Must Not Be Named solely because of fans of the game, not because of any virtue of his own.
....he got articles with his name on sites as PCGamer with the titles of Derek Smart says Star Citizen X and Y, or when he demanded Chris Roberts to resign.
I don't think anything fueled more the strong reactions that existed to him, than the media attention he got at the start.
I am not seeing any such articles on pcgamer.com, articles can be viewed by date here http://www.pcgamer.com/roberts-space-industries/
The earliest one that mentions Derek Smart is dated July 15th 2015 where they report on him being issued a refund by CIG due to a blog post he wrote. Clearly he was making noise before that but no media were paying attention to him, the only people who cared were fans and people within CIG.
.edit, I think this is the article where I've heard of him for the first time.
Ah, the continuing joy! Back at the time of the kickstarter I said that the game would not be delivered as represented, and would be delayed endlessly. Predicted 2019-2020 as the likely release in '13-14. It's all in Roberts DNA. Pretty sure the 3.0 will have similar issues of being late, or being not as represented.
Star Citizen's success will depend on those long crunch scheduled workers overcoming the mismanagement at the top. Just think how far along they'd be if they had competent management! Best bet is if there's a takeover by Amazon. Shades of Digital Anvil!
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
That list: like asking Mr. Orange-hair to maintain and curate the world climate database.
Have fun
I guess you have a lot of faith in Trump then since the list is being updated and things slowly moved into their correct categories.
And you know you can type their names right? Saying Donald Trump and Derek Smart won't suddenly make them appear in your room and steal your soul.
And you know you can type their names right? Saying Donald Trump and
Derek Smart won't suddenly make them appear in your room and steal your
soul.
>>>>
Talking politics is actively discouraged by the mods here in this forum. In addition: I like Orange-Hair and Vacuum-Brain - very descriptive.
And TheSmarty has a Google Alert actively searching for his name so he can chime in whenever he is mentioned anywhere in the internet. Well .... not here anymore after his recent ban ..... ;-)
Have fun
The pattern I am seeing is that media did not report on anything Derek Smart until sometime in July of 2015. But as you can see here https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/3m8ev3/derek_smart_content_poll_updated/ the star citizen community was discussing him and discussing banning topics about Derek Smart three months or more prior to the media picking up the refund story.
If less attention had been paid to him the media would have had less reason to report on him and thus, less people would have known about him.
Did not notice that one yesterday, but they have an estimation of the accuracy of the data. Currently ~62%.
So yeah, there is probably still a lot of bad info there, but at least they are open about the validity of the data.
Bloody hell. I mean @Kefo has strong opinions about the game, but you're on a whole other level aren't ya?
Yes I am aware of what the link is, it was not meant to be the first example of Derek Smart being mentioned on the subreddit, but an example that he was being widely discussed by the community prior to the media picking up said discussions. A site like massivelyop.com gets a lot of their news from reddit.
My opinion is that if he had not been recognised and promoted by the community there would have been far less for the media to run with, instead the community turned him into a boogeyman and then went a step further by making it sound as though all dissenters supported Derek Smart's extreme opinions which exacerbated the tribalness of the community.
Do we argue with every sandwich board wearing doomsayer or every extremist preacher stood on his soap box or do we just walk on by? I know I do the latter because to give these people attention is to recognise what they have to say.
This is why I feel making a big deal out of a harmless website will only come back to bite, by calling attention to it more people will hear about it and visit the website and then repeat the false information contained within, thus doing the Goon's work for them.