Look at our world,that is what it is suppose to be,only difference is it is digital and we are real. We have millions of species on Earth,it is the same thing,you don't have to have humanoids to be the same as Earth,you can simply have species and should have an eco system,food ,drink,elements,survival,etc etc.
The ONLY system that has been long debated and cannot work properly is perma death,for the sake of a long term video game it has to obviously be altered into a state of being downed or injured but never really dead.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
This question is IMO irrelevant, who cares anymore? The whole subject of defining a MMO has become really blurred.
So, I wouldn't worry about it. If you think it's an MMO and someone tells you it's not - let it be. It's not worth wasting the energy to argue over it.
Are you having fun playing it?
That's a lot more relevant.
The reason some people insist on this definition is because that's the type of game they want to play, and by changing that definition they fear their favorite genre is getting eliminated altogether.
Most likely this.
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This question is IMO irrelevant, who cares anymore? The whole subject of defining a MMO has become really blurred.
So, I wouldn't worry about it. If you think it's an MMO and someone tells you it's not - let it be. It's not worth wasting the energy to argue over it.
Are you having fun playing it?
That's a lot more relevant.
The reason some people insist on this definition is because that's the type of game they want to play, and by changing that definition they fear their favorite genre is getting eliminated altogether.
Most likely this.
Some of us just don't see a point in rendering a term meaningless. The entire reason it was coined was to distinguish a specific type of game from others in a specific way. When it fails to do that any longer, it's no longer useful.
If MMO is just multiplayer, then there's no reason to use MMO anymore, is there?
Clue #1: There are games called MUDs. For a time there was also a genre called "graphical MUDs." Then Richard Garriott coined the term "mmorpg" circa 1997. The rest is history.
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This question is IMO irrelevant, who cares anymore? The whole subject of defining a MMO has become really blurred.
So, I wouldn't worry about it. If you think it's an MMO and someone tells you it's not - let it be. It's not worth wasting the energy to argue over it.
Are you having fun playing it?
That's a lot more relevant.
The reason some people insist on this definition is because that's the type of game they want to play, and by changing that definition they fear their favorite genre is getting eliminated altogether.
Most likely this.
Some of us just don't see a point in rendering a term meaningless. The entire reason it was coined was to distinguish a specific type of game from others in a specific way. When it fails to do that any longer, it's no longer useful.
If MMO is just multiplayer, then there's no reason to use MMO anymore, is there?
But language changes. I'm not really sure why people have a hard time with this.
It's either because they are only really aware of what has gone on within their own lives and have no real clue as to what has happened in the span of human history or they are scared that if the things they know of can change then nothing is certain and that is very uncomfortable.
You have no control of what will be rendered meaningless or not.
Given your moniker you of all people should be aware of the French Government's strict language laws precisely because they are aware how language changes and how words from other languages can seep into and change language.
There is a very real reason why "etymology" is a thing.
Well, except for those on this forum who were never aware of it.
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This question is IMO irrelevant, who cares anymore? The whole subject of defining a MMO has become really blurred.
So, I wouldn't worry about it. If you think it's an MMO and someone tells you it's not - let it be. It's not worth wasting the energy to argue over it.
Are you having fun playing it?
That's a lot more relevant.
The reason some people insist on this definition is because that's the type of game they want to play, and by changing that definition they fear their favorite genre is getting eliminated altogether.
Most likely this.
Some of us just don't see a point in rendering a term meaningless. The entire reason it was coined was to distinguish a specific type of game from others in a specific way. When it fails to do that any longer, it's no longer useful.
If MMO is just multiplayer, then there's no reason to use MMO anymore, is there?
But language changes. I'm not really sure why people have a hard time with this.
It's either because they are only really aware of what has gone on within their own lives and have no real clue as to what has happened in the span of human history or they are scared that if the things they know of can change then nothing is certain and that is very uncomfortable.
You have no control of what will be rendered meaningless or not.
Given your moniker you of all people should be aware of the French Government's strict language laws precisely because they are aware how language changes and how words from other languages can seep into and change language.
There is a very real reason why "etymology" is a thing.
Well, except for those on this forum who were never aware of it.
And, in this instance, folks have decided the term means nothing more than multiplayer.
Where did I say language doesn't change? Why does that fact preclude value assessments on changes?
Let's up the stakes a bit and stick with your line of reasoning: most self-proclaimed "socialists" in America aren't actually socialists, but social democrats (little d). That doesn't mean true socialists don't exist. Are you okay with no longer being able to discern the difference?
This question is IMO irrelevant, who cares anymore? The whole subject of defining a MMO has become really blurred.
So, I wouldn't worry about it. If you think it's an MMO and someone tells you it's not - let it be. It's not worth wasting the energy to argue over it.
Are you having fun playing it?
That's a lot more relevant.
The reason some people insist on this definition is because that's the type of game they want to play, and by changing that definition they fear their favorite genre is getting eliminated altogether.
Most likely this.
Some of us just don't see a point in rendering a term meaningless. The entire reason it was coined was to distinguish a specific type of game from others in a specific way. When it fails to do that any longer, it's no longer useful.
If MMO is just multiplayer, then there's no reason to use MMO anymore, is there?
But language changes. I'm not really sure why people have a hard time with this.
It's either because they are only really aware of what has gone on within their own lives and have no real clue as to what has happened in the span of human history or they are scared that if the things they know of can change then nothing is certain and that is very uncomfortable.
You have no control of what will be rendered meaningless or not.
Given your moniker you of all people should be aware of the French Government's strict language laws precisely because they are aware how language changes and how words from other languages can seep into and change language.
There is a very real reason why "etymology" is a thing.
Well, except for those on this forum who were never aware of it.
And, in this instance, folks have decided the term means nothing more than multiplayer.
Where did I say language doesn't change?
You seem to imply it with the statement referring to making the term meaningless.
It doesn't become meaningless. It does take on new meanings. You say that the word was coined to refer to a specific type of game. And now, due to the magic of the human race, it will have new meanings going forward.
There is a very real reason why getting through an original copy of Shakespeare's first folio is challenging for me.
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This question is IMO irrelevant, who cares anymore? The whole subject of defining a MMO has become really blurred.
So, I wouldn't worry about it. If you think it's an MMO and someone tells you it's not - let it be. It's not worth wasting the energy to argue over it.
Are you having fun playing it?
That's a lot more relevant.
The reason some people insist on this definition is because that's the type of game they want to play, and by changing that definition they fear their favorite genre is getting eliminated altogether.
Most likely this.
Some of us just don't see a point in rendering a term meaningless. The entire reason it was coined was to distinguish a specific type of game from others in a specific way. When it fails to do that any longer, it's no longer useful.
If MMO is just multiplayer, then there's no reason to use MMO anymore, is there?
But language changes. I'm not really sure why people have a hard time with this.
It's either because they are only really aware of what has gone on within their own lives and have no real clue as to what has happened in the span of human history or they are scared that if the things they know of can change then nothing is certain and that is very uncomfortable.
You have no control of what will be rendered meaningless or not.
Given your moniker you of all people should be aware of the French Government's strict language laws precisely because they are aware how language changes and how words from other languages can seep into and change language.
There is a very real reason why "etymology" is a thing.
Well, except for those on this forum who were never aware of it.
And, in this instance, folks have decided the term means nothing more than multiplayer.
Where did I say language doesn't change?
You seem to imply it with the statement referring to making the term meaningless.
It doesn't become meaningless. It does take on new meanings. You say that the word was coined to refer to a specific type of game. And now, due to the magic of the human race, it will have new meanings going forward.
There is a very real reason why getting through an original copy of Shakespeare's first folio is challenging for me.
Read my edit.
It means the same as a term we already have. No need to use it at all, then. So I won't. Feel free to do so, but don't get annoyed when I ask you to be more specific.
This question is IMO irrelevant, who cares anymore? The whole subject of defining a MMO has become really blurred.
So, I wouldn't worry about it. If you think it's an MMO and someone tells you it's not - let it be. It's not worth wasting the energy to argue over it.
Are you having fun playing it?
That's a lot more relevant.
The reason some people insist on this definition is because that's the type of game they want to play, and by changing that definition they fear their favorite genre is getting eliminated altogether.
Most likely this.
Some of us just don't see a point in rendering a term meaningless. The entire reason it was coined was to distinguish a specific type of game from others in a specific way. When it fails to do that any longer, it's no longer useful.
If MMO is just multiplayer, then there's no reason to use MMO anymore, is there?
But language changes. I'm not really sure why people have a hard time with this.
It's either because they are only really aware of what has gone on within their own lives and have no real clue as to what has happened in the span of human history or they are scared that if the things they know of can change then nothing is certain and that is very uncomfortable.
You have no control of what will be rendered meaningless or not.
Given your moniker you of all people should be aware of the French Government's strict language laws precisely because they are aware how language changes and how words from other languages can seep into and change language.
There is a very real reason why "etymology" is a thing.
Well, except for those on this forum who were never aware of it.
And, in this instance, folks have decided the term means nothing more than multiplayer.
Where did I say language doesn't change?
You seem to imply it with the statement referring to making the term meaningless.
It doesn't become meaningless. It does take on new meanings. You say that the word was coined to refer to a specific type of game. And now, due to the magic of the human race, it will have new meanings going forward.
There is a very real reason why getting through an original copy of Shakespeare's first folio is challenging for me.
Read my edit.
It means the same as a term we already have. No need to use it at all, then. So I won't. Feel free to do so, but don't get annoyed when I ask you to be more specific.
Not annoyed at all. I already explained myself. You made a statement that seemed to imply a thing.
And it doesn't necessarily mean "nothing more than multiplayer." Multiplayer could just be two people.
It DOES seem to mean that a massive amount of people access the game at the same time with the possibility of interacting.
All of this just seems like a temper tantrum. "we already have a word and if it doesn't mean what it should then don't use it!!!!" *stomps out of the room and sulks on bed while watching dawson's creek and eating Hagen Daz*
In seriousness I'm sure you aren't all that upset about it but all of this arguing of what mmorpg seems like a tempest in a teapot.
It doesn't matter what people think, what will happen with the term will happen. That's it. And if it does change then when the people who hated the change die off then there will be no more arguing about it.
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This question is IMO irrelevant, who cares anymore? The whole subject of defining a MMO has become really blurred.
So, I wouldn't worry about it. If you think it's an MMO and someone tells you it's not - let it be. It's not worth wasting the energy to argue over it.
Are you having fun playing it?
That's a lot more relevant.
The reason some people insist on this definition is because that's the type of game they want to play, and by changing that definition they fear their favorite genre is getting eliminated altogether.
Most likely this.
Some of us just don't see a point in rendering a term meaningless. The entire reason it was coined was to distinguish a specific type of game from others in a specific way. When it fails to do that any longer, it's no longer useful.
If MMO is just multiplayer, then there's no reason to use MMO anymore, is there?
But language changes. I'm not really sure why people have a hard time with this.
It's either because they are only really aware of what has gone on within their own lives and have no real clue as to what has happened in the span of human history or they are scared that if the things they know of can change then nothing is certain and that is very uncomfortable.
You have no control of what will be rendered meaningless or not.
Given your moniker you of all people should be aware of the French Government's strict language laws precisely because they are aware how language changes and how words from other languages can seep into and change language.
There is a very real reason why "etymology" is a thing.
Well, except for those on this forum who were never aware of it.
And, in this instance, folks have decided the term means nothing more than multiplayer.
Where did I say language doesn't change?
You seem to imply it with the statement referring to making the term meaningless.
It doesn't become meaningless. It does take on new meanings. You say that the word was coined to refer to a specific type of game. And now, due to the magic of the human race, it will have new meanings going forward.
There is a very real reason why getting through an original copy of Shakespeare's first folio is challenging for me.
Read my edit.
It means the same as a term we already have. No need to use it at all, then. So I won't. Feel free to do so, but don't get annoyed when I ask you to be more specific.
Not annoyed at all. I already explained myself. You made a statement that seemed to imply a thing.
And it doesn't necessarily mean "nothing more than multiplayer." Multiplayer could just be two people.
It DOES seem to mean that a massive amount of people access the game at the same time with the possibility of interacting.
All of this just seems like a temper tantrum. "we already have a word and if it doesn't mean what it should then don't use it!!!!" *stomps out of the room and sulks on bed while watching dawson's creek and eating Hagen Daz*
In seriousness I'm sure you aren't all that upset about it but all of this arguing of what mmorpg seems like a tempest in a teapot.
It doesn't matter what people think, what will happen with the term will happen. That's it. And if it does change then when the people who hated the change die off then there will be no more arguing about it.
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This question is IMO irrelevant, who cares anymore? The whole subject of defining a MMO has become really blurred.
So, I wouldn't worry about it. If you think it's an MMO and someone tells you it's not - let it be. It's not worth wasting the energy to argue over it.
Are you having fun playing it?
That's a lot more relevant.
The reason some people insist on this definition is because that's the type of game they want to play, and by changing that definition they fear their favorite genre is getting eliminated altogether.
Most likely this.
Some of us just don't see a point in rendering a term meaningless. The entire reason it was coined was to distinguish a specific type of game from others in a specific way. When it fails to do that any longer, it's no longer useful.
If MMO is just multiplayer, then there's no reason to use MMO anymore, is there?
But language changes. I'm not really sure why people have a hard time with this.
It's either because they are only really aware of what has gone on within their own lives and have no real clue as to what has happened in the span of human history or they are scared that if the things they know of can change then nothing is certain and that is very uncomfortable.
You have no control of what will be rendered meaningless or not.
Given your moniker you of all people should be aware of the French Government's strict language laws precisely because they are aware how language changes and how words from other languages can seep into and change language.
There is a very real reason why "etymology" is a thing.
Well, except for those on this forum who were never aware of it.
And, in this instance, folks have decided the term means nothing more than multiplayer.
Where did I say language doesn't change?
You seem to imply it with the statement referring to making the term meaningless.
It doesn't become meaningless. It does take on new meanings. You say that the word was coined to refer to a specific type of game. And now, due to the magic of the human race, it will have new meanings going forward.
There is a very real reason why getting through an original copy of Shakespeare's first folio is challenging for me.
Read my edit.
It means the same as a term we already have. No need to use it at all, then. So I won't. Feel free to do so, but don't get annoyed when I ask you to be more specific.
Not annoyed at all. I already explained myself. You made a statement that seemed to imply a thing.
And it doesn't necessarily mean "nothing more than multiplayer." Multiplayer could just be two people.
It DOES seem to mean that a massive amount of people access the game at the same time with the possibility of interacting.
All of this just seems like a temper tantrum. "we already have a word and if it doesn't mean what it should then don't use it!!!!" *stomps out of the room and sulks on bed while watching dawson's creek and eating Hagen Daz*
In seriousness I'm sure you aren't all that upset about it but all of this arguing of what mmorpg seems like a tempest in a teapot.
It doesn't matter what people think, what will happen with the term will happen. That's it. And if it does change then when the people who hated the change die off then there will be no more arguing about it.
So, again, online poker is an MMO, because a massive amount of folks access the game and can interact. Battlefield? MMO. Call of Duty? MMO. Yet even folks advocating this evolution fall silent when you try to get them to acknowledge this.
It's almost like trying to change the definition to one's personal desires leads to a blurry definition that causes confusion. Specifically when it's used as a term separate from multiplayer despite those same advocated claiming it means just that. Funny, that.
For Group A MMO is an initialization and is defined as a virtual world housing a large population. Massively means a lot to them; both in terms of the amount people can play together in a single instance and the world's size. Mechanics have no role in it. (Size does matter!) @MadFrenchie always a pleasure!
MMO isn't an initialization for Group B, but a genre name. They define this genre by certain characteristics and mechanics. Population has no role in it. (Size does not matter!)
The eternal conflict between Group A and Group B has no end. It is the matter of perspective. I by no means imply that all ideas possess the same value. When it comes to Music, me and my mates have been arguing for 25 years about the differences of 'The Berlin School of Electronic Music' and 'Ambient Music' and 'Kraut Rock'. Bands have their own definitions. Critics have their own definitions. And the battle continues.
As @Sovrath pointed out my old comment, Group A is facing a tragedy. We all hoped a series of Kickstarters could revived that old concept. It seems we need to wait at least a couple of more years.
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For Group A MMO is an initialization and is defined as a virtual world housing a large population. Massively means a lot to them; both in terms of the amount people can play together in a single instance and the world's size. Mechanics have no role in it. (Size does matter!) @MadFrenchie always a pleasure!
MMO isn't an initialization for Group B, but a genre name. They define this genre by certain characteristics and mechanics. Population has no role in it. (Size does not matter!)
The eternal conflict between Group A and Group B has no end. It is the matter of perspective. I by no means imply that all ideas possess the same value. When it comes to Music, me and my mates have been arguing for 25 years about the differences of 'The Berlin School of Electronic Music' and 'Ambient Music' and 'Kraut Rock'. Bands have their own definitions. Critics have their own definitions. And the battle continues.
As @Sovrath pointed out my old comment, Group A is facing a tragedy. We all hoped a series of Kickstarters could revived that old concept. It seems we need to wait at least a couple of more years.
Maybe splitting hairs considering the point of your post, but the "fall" of MMORPGs isn't the motivator for me. Clear language is. Consistency is. Both are lacking in group B.
So think of it this way, if a massive amount of people access online poker yet no one has ever offered that online poker is an mmo there must be other criteria that also play into the decision.
And again, it doesn't matter what we say here. If in 5 years people start calling online poker an mmo then "it is what it is."
Sorry but people can stomp and shout and jump and gnash their teeth all they want.
Some games are being called mmo's and it seems that only a few people have issue with it.
What does this mean?
That in a few years online poker will be an mmo!
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So think of it this way, if a massive amount of people access online poker yet no one has ever offered that online poker is an mmo there must be other criteria that also play into the decision.
And again, it doesn't matter what we say here. If in 5 years people start calling online poker an mmo then "it is what it is."
Sorry but people can stomp and shout and jump and gnash their teeth all they want.
Some games are being called mmo's and it seems that only a few people have issue with it.
What does this mean?
That in a few years online poker will be an mmo!
Well, that's my point: there's not set criteria. Everyone took the ball and, as soon as the floodgates opened, ran in different directions. Hence, the lack of clarity and consistency.
It's rendered the term meaningless in the sense that it's better served with a term we already have (hence why MMO was ever coined in the first place to separate a specific sort of multiplayer).
When you say, "this is a multiplayer game," we both know what you're saying. When you say "This is an MMO" we don't. Even those who agree with "evolution" don't, because they each have their own "version" of the evolution they think is correct, and that's because this evolution wasn't natural, but was brought on artificially by marketing.
We need new words. I think we have gotten all the mileage out of "mmorpg" (coined in 1997) we are ever going to get. Much has changed since then and is still changing.
Try:
MMCSPG Massively Multiplayer Cash Shop Purchasing Game
MESG Massively Easy Soloing Game
NSMSTPPG Not So Massively Small Team Pew Pew Game
AFBRG Another F'ing Battle Royale Game
CPAPTBAG Cell Phone App Pretending To Be A Game
TSWNGRBSUM This Shit Will Never Get Released But Send Us Money
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So think of it this way, if a massive amount of people access online poker yet no one has ever offered that online poker is an mmo there must be other criteria that also play into the decision.
And again, it doesn't matter what we say here. If in 5 years people start calling online poker an mmo then "it is what it is."
Sorry but people can stomp and shout and jump and gnash their teeth all they want.
Some games are being called mmo's and it seems that only a few people have issue with it.
What does this mean?
That in a few years online poker will be an mmo!
Well, that's my point: there's not set criteria. Everyone took the ball and, as soon as the floodgates opened, ran in different directions. Hence, the lack of clarity and consistency.
It's rendered the term meaningless in the sense that it's better served with a term we already have (hence why MMO was ever coined in the first place to separate a specific sort of multiplayer).
Except you're not going to get that. You want things to be as you see them but that's just not how life works.
Maybe, that "term we already have" will no longer be used and "mmo" will be the new term?
See what I'm saying? you should be excited, you are witnessing the changing of a term right in front of your eyes!
That's history!
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So think of it this way, if a massive amount of people access online poker yet no one has ever offered that online poker is an mmo there must be other criteria that also play into the decision.
And again, it doesn't matter what we say here. If in 5 years people start calling online poker an mmo then "it is what it is."
Sorry but people can stomp and shout and jump and gnash their teeth all they want.
Some games are being called mmo's and it seems that only a few people have issue with it.
What does this mean?
That in a few years online poker will be an mmo!
Well, that's my point: there's not set criteria. Everyone took the ball and, as soon as the floodgates opened, ran in different directions. Hence, the lack of clarity and consistency.
It's rendered the term meaningless in the sense that it's better served with a term we already have (hence why MMO was ever coined in the first place to separate a specific sort of multiplayer).
Except you're not going to get that. You want things to be as you see them but that's just not how life works.
Maybe, that "term we already have" will no longer be used and "mmo" will be the new term?
See what I'm saying? you should be excited, you are witnessing the changing of a term right in front of your eyes!
That's history!
I doubt etymologists focus on this particular term.
If there were any consistency to it, it'd be acceptable. There isn't. You talk of making the world the way one wants as if the start of this thing wasn't literally some marketing team doing the same. That's neither here nor there, because it's equally applicable to both sides of the discussion (and since it was the evolution stance that originally tried to alter an accepted meaning, they're more guilty of that than even the traditionalists).
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We have millions of species on Earth,it is the same thing,you don't have to have humanoids to be the same as Earth,you can simply have species and should have an eco system,food ,drink,elements,survival,etc etc.
The ONLY system that has been long debated and cannot work properly is perma death,for the sake of a long term video game it has to obviously be altered into a state of being downed or injured but never really dead.
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If MMO is just multiplayer, then there's no reason to use MMO anymore, is there?
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It's either because they are only really aware of what has gone on within their own lives and have no real clue as to what has happened in the span of human history or they are scared that if the things they know of can change then nothing is certain and that is very uncomfortable.
You have no control of what will be rendered meaningless or not.
Given your moniker you of all people should be aware of the French Government's strict language laws precisely because they are aware how language changes and how words from other languages can seep into and change language.
There is a very real reason why "etymology" is a thing.
Well, except for those on this forum who were never aware of it.
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Where did I say language doesn't change? Why does that fact preclude value assessments on changes?
Let's up the stakes a bit and stick with your line of reasoning: most self-proclaimed "socialists" in America aren't actually socialists, but social democrats (little d). That doesn't mean true socialists don't exist. Are you okay with no longer being able to discern the difference?
It doesn't become meaningless. It does take on new meanings. You say that the word was coined to refer to a specific type of game. And now, due to the magic of the human race, it will have new meanings going forward.
There is a very real reason why getting through an original copy of Shakespeare's first folio is challenging for me.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
It means the same as a term we already have. No need to use it at all, then. So I won't. Feel free to do so, but don't get annoyed when I ask you to be more specific.
And it doesn't necessarily mean "nothing more than multiplayer." Multiplayer could just be two people.
It DOES seem to mean that a massive amount of people access the game at the same time with the possibility of interacting.
All of this just seems like a temper tantrum. "we already have a word and if it doesn't mean what it should then don't use it!!!!" *stomps out of the room and sulks on bed while watching dawson's creek and eating Hagen Daz*
In seriousness I'm sure you aren't all that upset about it but all of this arguing of what mmorpg seems like a tempest in a teapot.
It doesn't matter what people think, what will happen with the term will happen. That's it. And if it does change then when the people who hated the change die off then there will be no more arguing about it.
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It's almost like trying to change the definition to one's personal desires leads to a blurry definition that causes confusion. Specifically when it's used as a term separate from multiplayer despite those same advocated claiming it means just that. Funny, that.
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Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
For Group A MMO is an initialization and is defined as a virtual world housing a large population. Massively means a lot to them; both in terms of the amount people can play together in a single instance and the world's size. Mechanics have no role in it. (Size does matter!) @MadFrenchie always a pleasure!
MMO isn't an initialization for Group B, but a genre name. They define this genre by certain characteristics and mechanics. Population has no role in it. (Size does not matter!)
The eternal conflict between Group A and Group B has no end. It is the matter of perspective. I by no means imply that all ideas possess the same value. When it comes to Music, me and my mates have been arguing for 25 years about the differences of 'The Berlin School of Electronic Music' and 'Ambient Music' and 'Kraut Rock'. Bands have their own definitions. Critics have their own definitions. And the battle continues.
As @Sovrath pointed out my old comment, Group A is facing a tragedy. We all hoped a series of Kickstarters could revived that old concept. It seems we need to wait at least a couple of more years.
So think of it this way, if a massive amount of people access online poker yet no one has ever offered that online poker is an mmo there must be other criteria that also play into the decision.
And again, it doesn't matter what we say here. If in 5 years people start calling online poker an mmo then "it is what it is."
Sorry but people can stomp and shout and jump and gnash their teeth all they want.
Some games are being called mmo's and it seems that only a few people have issue with it.
What does this mean?
That in a few years online poker will be an mmo!
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Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
It's rendered the term meaningless in the sense that it's better served with a term we already have (hence why MMO was ever coined in the first place to separate a specific sort of multiplayer).
When you say, "this is a multiplayer game," we both know what you're saying. When you say "This is an MMO" we don't. Even those who agree with "evolution" don't, because they each have their own "version" of the evolution they think is correct, and that's because this evolution wasn't natural, but was brought on artificially by marketing.
Try:
MMCSPG Massively Multiplayer Cash Shop Purchasing Game
MESG Massively Easy Soloing Game
NSMSTPPG Not So Massively Small Team Pew Pew Game
AFBRG Another F'ing Battle Royale Game
CPAPTBAG Cell Phone App Pretending To Be A Game
TSWNGRBSUM This Shit Will Never Get Released But Send Us Money
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
Maybe, that "term we already have" will no longer be used and "mmo" will be the new term?
See what I'm saying? you should be excited, you are witnessing the changing of a term right in front of your eyes!
That's history!
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Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
If there were any consistency to it, it'd be acceptable. There isn't. You talk of making the world the way one wants as if the start of this thing wasn't literally some marketing team doing the same. That's neither here nor there, because it's equally applicable to both sides of the discussion (and since it was the evolution stance that originally tried to alter an accepted meaning, they're more guilty of that than even the traditionalists).