Crytek Filing Lawsuit Against CIG

rodarin

Obviously Crytek didnt give Turkey 500 million. The 'investment' was them going back to Turkey and using the 500 million they got to get back to their roots. So it was semantics. They GOT 500 million FROM turkey then turned around and 'invested' that same 500 million back into Turkey by moving there.

A quid pro quo, Turkey gave them 500 million and thus Turkey expected 500 million (probably more) back in return. So they invested in each other I suppose.

Tiamat64

Erillion said:

It is my personal opinion that CryTek certainly would welcome any additional cash they can get - anyway they can get it.

Have fun

Businesses welcome additional cash.  That's what businesses do.  What matters is whether or not Crytek can outlast CiG if it comes down to a legal battle of cash attrition, of which whether or not "Crytek is desperate for cash" at best only counts as evidence towards one side or the other, but ultimately doesn't prove either side even if true.

For example, if Crytek hypothetically truly was desperate for cash (hypothetically), it's possible that Crytek's desperate for cash yet still can outlast CiG in a cash battle.  It's not like CiG's provided any financial statements so we don't know their status, after all.  And of course, it's possible that Crytek is "desperate for cash" because they know they have no future revenue coming from their game studios (and aren't getting anything from Cryengine for some reason) but still aren't desperate for cash NOW because they have a lot of cash on hand, in which case even though they know they'd need more cash in the future, they'd still have more than enough cash in the present for a protracted legal battle.

It does make me wonder whether or not Skadden investigates into if its client will actually be able to pay them, though.  That said, considering how important winning is to their reputation, I'd be kinda surprised if Skadden didn't at least get some sort of assurance that Crytek would be able to see the case through.  Skadden apparently does pro bono work from what I've researched (https://files.skadden.com/newsletters/Skadden_Pro_Bono_Report.pdf) but that's mostly for moral cases like the Death Penalty.

Of course, assuming Skadden has any rationality whatsoever (which they probably do.  Wish I could say the same about CiG considering things like their press response...), then if Skadden smelled blood, I'm sure they'd be willing to hold off on the payments knowing that Crytek will soon have the money to pay them once the suit's done.  That's if they smell blood, of course.

There doesn't seem to be any way to get much direct information on law firms without paying for various things, but apparently the "four/five most feared" list (that Skadden is one of) uses "factors include technological skills, strategic resources, and understanding litigation risks."  Since reputation is important when you're at the top, I really don't think they'd be stupid enough to take Crytek's case if they felt they wouldn't be able to see it trough.

Oh well.  I myself am still quite sure they're fine (just because no news article says they received the money doesn't exactly mean anything.  What kind of news would that be, anyways?  "Crytek receives money that we said they'd receive earlier!"  If anything, the lack of "Apologies, but our news report that Crytek was receiving money was wrong" is more telling), but even If Crytek hypothetically can't afford to keep the case going for a long time, I'm sure we'll find out within half a year, anyways.  So whatever.

MaxBacon

Tiamat64 said:....

One of the things I would never imagine to read on this forum...
...was to see someone spreading positive propaganda for a lawyer firm. O_o

Skadden appreciates the PR work I guess.

Tiamat64

MaxBacon said:

Tiamat64 said:....

One of the things I would never imagine to read on this forum...
...was to see someone spreading positive propaganda for a lawyer firm. lol

Skadden appreciates your PR work I guess.

Nice derail attempt.  Feel free to ignore Skadden's prestige.  I'm really really hoping Chris Roberts and CiG decide to.  This is going to be the most amazing thing ever if it goes to court.

Tiamat64

While we're speculating on future cash flows, here's a fun one.

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/funding-goals

Looking good, CiG.  Looking good.

They'd better have something hot coming up for their SQ42 presentation coming up.

MaxBacon

Tiamat64 said:
Nice derail attempt.  Feel free to ignore Skadden's prestige.  I'm really really hoping Chris Roberts and CiG decide to.  This is going to be the most amazing thing ever if it goes to court.

When I'll not have a discussion with you until you stop acting like you are a PR staff of Skadden's.

I would bet anything if it was CIG taking someone else to court hiring this same firm to present their case, the narrative of the naysayers/haters/whatever in Skadden's here would change like day and night. There's no pretending it wouldn't.

Tiamat64

MaxBacon said:

Tiamat64 said:
Nice derail attempt.  Feel free to ignore Skadden's prestige.  I'm really really hoping Chris Roberts and CiG decide to.  This is going to be the most amazing thing ever if it goes to court.

When I'll not have a discussion with you until you stop acting like you are a PR staff of Skadden's.

Good.  My brain cells are safe!

Tiamat64

Since I'm already now considered a Derek Smart shill by the authorities of all that is just and holy, I guess I might as well leave this interview about the lawsuit with him and some other guys here.

https://www.facebook.com/GameTalkLive/videos/2079980148897050/?notif_id=1513629020719361&notif_t=live_video_schedule_broadcaster

gir243

MaxBacon said:

Tiamat64 said:
Nice derail attempt.  Feel free to ignore Skadden's prestige.  I'm really really hoping Chris Roberts and CiG decide to.  This is going to be the most amazing thing ever if it goes to court.

When I'll not have a discussion with you until you stop acting like you are a PR staff of Skadden's.

I would bet anything if it was CIG taking someone else to court hiring this same firm to present their case, the narrative would change like day and night. Typical.

Oh the irony

MaxBacon

gir243 said:

Oh the irony

Indeed.

Talonsin

Tiamat64 said:

While we're speculating on future cash flows, here's a fun one.

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/funding-goals

Looking good, CiG.  Looking good.

They'd better have something hot coming up for their SQ42 presentation coming up.

Oh you can bet they will have some amazing videos of stuff coming in the future.  One thing that CIG does extremely well is build hype.

FlyByKnight

When a CIG shill/creepily-over-enthusiastic-fan-intern calls you a shill, then thinks the irony is irony...

mr1602

FrodoFragins said:

Nothing good will come of this obviously unless CIG wins a slam dunk and gets all legal fees covered.  They may even be pouring over their code to purge anything they used that belongs to crytek and not lumberyard.  Not a cheap process.

Tampering with your code to cover up when a lawsuit is in progress, is not a very good idea.
Knowing CIG's past actions, I wouldn't put it past them though.
We'll see in their next bugsmasher video since the last one still had 'Cryengine' references. If the next video have those references removed, we are in for some very entertaining times.

Tiamat64

It's pretty funny how on the official forums they delete any post that even hints at the existence of the lawsuit.  Because backers don't have the right to know or discuss such a thing, apparently.

mr1602

Skadden's reputation speaks for itself.
What I'm curious about is which law firm CIG hires. Of course if CIG lets their in-house counsel handle this, we are in for some good times.

sgel

MaxBacon said:

Tiamat64 said:....

One of the things I would never imagine to read on this forum...
...was to see someone spreading positive propaganda for a lawyer firm. O_o

Skadden appreciates the PR work I guess.

Wasn't CIG co-founded by a lawyer?
Spare us the hypocrisy please.

Kefo

sgel said:

MaxBacon said:

Tiamat64 said:....

One of the things I would never imagine to read on this forum...
...was to see someone spreading positive propaganda for a lawyer firm. O_o

Skadden appreciates the PR work I guess.

Wasn't CIG co-founded by a lawyer?
Spare us the hypocrisy please.

Not a very bright lawyer in my opinion but yeah you are correct

mr1602

Kefo said:

sgel said:

MaxBacon said:

Tiamat64 said:....

One of the things I would never imagine to read on this forum...
...was to see someone spreading positive propaganda for a lawyer firm. O_o

Skadden appreciates the PR work I guess.

Wasn't CIG co-founded by a lawyer?
Spare us the hypocrisy please.

Not a very bright lawyer in my opinion but yeah you are correct

The fact that the contract does not have an arbitrary clause is enough evidence to show CIG's in house counsel isn't good.
I mean that clause is so standard that the legal world considers it almost malpractice to not have one.

Erillion

mr1602 said:

The fact that the contract does not have an arbitrary clause is enough evidence to show CIG's in house counsel isn't good.
I mean that clause is so standard that the legal world considers it almost malpractice to not have one.

You have the original of the contract before you? You know ever paragraph and covenant ?

GREAT !

Lets see it.


Have fun

Orinori

Erillion said:

I took a deeper look into the information that CryTek gets 500 million from the Turkish government.

All relevant articles are between 26.-28. Dec 2016. Half of them claim that CryTek is investing money in Turkey, which is strange because the same articles talk about CryTek closing down 5 studios and not paying their employees. The other half claim that CryTek receives money from Turkey .... but only if they move from Frankfurt to Turkey  and invest all that money in Turkey itself.

Now ... the information is based on a video from a speech of a politician. As far as i can tell the only thing the politician says is that three Turkish brothers from Germany invest heavily in Turkey, especially in the gaming sector. He does not mention them by name, but there is a strong indication that he meant the three CryTek founders.

I find no reference at all that CryTek has actually received ANY money from Turkey. But they DID close down their studios in Budapest, Seoul and Shanghai in 2016 due to financial troubles. They sold their studio in Sofia to Sega in 2017. The CryTek studios in Nottingham and Austin are closed since 2014.  Now only CryTek Kiev and Istanbul remain.

The status of their games is not very clear  ... "Arena of Fate" was developed in Sofia, a studio which was just sold. Two VR projects for PlayStation are being worked on, but the sales numbers of VR titles are modest. One free-to-play project called "Hunt:Showdown" was reannounced in May 2017 (before that it was developed in Austin until the studio there was shut down in 2014).

It is my personal opinion that CryTek certainly would welcome any additional cash they can get - anyway they can get it.


Have fun

Well that's not much of a shock now is it. Sticking to my prediction, will be settled out of court for an Idris and a stick of gum leaving all of the mouth foamers fuming.

Izzin

Tiamat64 said:

It's pretty funny how on the official forums they delete any post that even hints at the existence of the lawsuit.  Because backers don't have the right to know or discuss such a thing, apparently.

On official forums, we do not know if they are under a legal silence period. Anything on the official forums could be misinterpreted.  It is far safer from CIG to remove any commentary on their official forums until the lawsuit has been resolved.

--Izz

Izzin

rodarin said:
the best thing that can happen from this for people l that actually want the game that is is Roberts and everyone in his orbit get taken off the project. Then it MIGHT have a tiny chance of releasing someday.

No thank you, I do not want a watered down 'its just good enough' game. I will wait my time for it to be completed. Up to this point, there is nothing even remotely prompting me to consider a refund, the removal of leadership in CIG would most likely push me and many of my friends to seek refunds.

--Izz

edit: fixed borked quoting (sorry)

sgel

Izzin said:

Tiamat64 said:

It's pretty funny how on the official forums they delete any post that even hints at the existence of the lawsuit.  Because backers don't have the right to know or discuss such a thing, apparently.

On official forums, we do not know if they are under a legal silence period. Anything on the official forums could be misinterpreted.  It is far safer from CIG to remove any commentary on their official forums until the lawsuit has been resolved.

--Izz

That's a great excuse for censoring.
I'd expect "legal silence period" would be about any official CIG reps/devs comments on the matter... not players on their forums.

sgel

Izzin said:

rodarin said:
the best thing that can happen from this for people l that actually want the game that is is Roberts and everyone in his orbit get taken off the project. Then it MIGHT have a tiny chance of releasing someday.

No thank you, I do not want a watered down 'its just good enough' game. 

You do realize Croberts himself said that they would be releasing an MVP for launch and then building on it right?

rodarin

sgel said:

Izzin said:

rodarin said:
the best thing that can happen from this for people l that actually want the game that is is Roberts and everyone in his orbit get taken off the project. Then it MIGHT have a tiny chance of releasing someday.

No thank you, I do not want a watered down 'its just good enough' game. 

You do realize Croberts himself said that they would be releasing an MVP for launch and then building on it right?

you forget these guys pick and choose what they want to remember him saying or when he says things they cant believe or they dont want to believe he was taken out of context or misspoke....

I mean this guy and apparently his friends are ONLY in it because a guy who has never ever finished a project he was in charge of is running the show, and removing him (and maybe getting a game released) is a deal breaker.

Seriously cant make it up.