Most Gaming "Journalists" are as much a journalist as Sean Hannity. When you continually defend, apologize for, or blindly support the organization you're reporting on, that's not journalism. They're commentators.
Funny because I was going to say the same thing about CNN.
I don't know. I find it terribly ironic that people come stomping into a GAME SITE FORUM and castigate the very people who provide the space and opportunity for them to talk about games with other fans and besmirch the staff that tries to keep the site running. It's mean and, frankly, unkind, something my parents taught me not to be.
It's lucky for Mr. YouTube that he can throw stones in glass houses and up his followers to sap more money out of them...but that's not "games journalism" so I guess it's OK.
That said, leaving the thread. It makes my head hurt.
I love this site and I appreciate what you guys do and I'd be pretty sad if it wasn't a regular part of my day, just to check in. I don't judge, I just enjoy (since it's about games and it's supposed to be fun, not business for me). So don't let a few cranky people get you down @SBFord !
Here's some facts, the youtuber, the folks he's talking about, and people who take offense aren't journalists, so all parties in question are peers and can't be holier than thou.
I'm going to stand over here just like this, until somebody dares to say other wise.
"As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*"
I dont know if that is aimed at me but it sure seems like you are taking something personal when nothing I posted was aimed at you.
Nope, I'm talking about the original post and folks trying to behave like HeelvsBabyface is a lesser or doesn't have latitude to speak on game industry groupies who turned their contrived-ass ire at the player base (who ironically and actually got it right... AGAIN).
"As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*"
I dont know if that is aimed at me but it sure seems like you are taking something personal when nothing I posted was aimed at you.
Nope, I'm talking about the original post and folks trying to behave like HeelvsBabyface is a lesser or doesn't have latitude to speak on game industry groupies who turned their contrived-ass ire at the player base (who ironically and actually got it right... AGAIN).
Oh ok sry, wasnt sure if it was because of my response to "The fact still remains"
I think that noone is immune from a bigger issue that what we see now is merely a byproduct. The bigger issue is the creation and maintenance of echo chambers on almost all aspects of everyone's online presence.
We used to say that CEOs are detached and in a bubble, thus losing their perspective and touch with the everyday life, but this bubble is now surrounding everyone.
We used to go out searching for information. Nowadays, we merely wait for the echo chamber to confirm our biases. The problem is especially more pronounced for the people who aspire to work as journalists (having the credentials is minor at this point). Why do we expect the everyday person to be more informed, when the people whose job is to investigate are complacent and are satisfied with their bubble echo noise.
My biggest disappointment with those people who once again attacked gamers is that they are big into controlling what the developers produce if it doesn't fit their agenda, but ridicule the people who are meant to pay for the things produced.
I also don't know if people noticed two details in this whole story:
Diablo developers preferred not to lie, despite gaming press delivering them an easy way out.
Despite the disappointment, no (entitled) gamer argued that Blizzard should not make a mobile game.
We used to say that CEOs are detached and in a bubble, thus losing their perspective and touch with the everyday life, but this bubble is now surrounding everyone.
You started good and for most part of your post you were heading the right direction but this part is critically erroneous.
Just because "we used to say something" does not mean you were right, it is the same echo chamber effect that was already taking place "back then" and is skewing your perception till today.
Ohhhh the irony considering this is a direct result of the industry trying to turn the consumer into "the product".
See, it's fitting...
There is no point offering decent writing to audience that isn't decent itself.
Media, just like any business, are just adjusting to their customers...
I agree. However, there's also possibility of positive influence. I don't believe it is any company's responsibility. But it is still a choice, certainly not an easy one though.
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Like he says, just read the language. Look at how these people, who write articles FOR US [hence GAMING journalism], think of the gaming community.
Not everyone in games media is like that. Don't paint with such a broad brush. Thanks.
It's pretty tiring always seeing aspersions cast at the thing that I actually do for a profession. It's like saying all people who post on forums are jerks. I know that's not true and don't say things like that because it's hurtful.
Hence why i said "these people" and not everyone in the industry. You shouldn't immediately assume that you were involved as well.
I don't know. I find it terribly ironic that people come stomping into a GAME SITE FORUM and castigate the very people who provide the space and opportunity for them to talk about games with other fans and besmirch the staff that tries to keep the site running. It's mean and, frankly, unkind, something my parents taught me not to be.
It's lucky for Mr. YouTube that he can throw stones in glass houses and up his followers to sap more money out of them...but that's not "games journalism" so I guess it's OK.
That said, leaving the thread. It makes my head hurt.
I get the feeling you didn't actually bothered to understand that he was talking specifically about the people mentioned [and shown, which you'd know if you watched the video enough] and somehow felt it was an attack on everyone.
Also, no offence, but if you were taught to "not be mean and unkind", then you've been failing at that in recent months since you fly off the handle the moment someone gives any criticism to an article from you.
I like this website and appreciate the fact it gives me a platform to express my opinions. No review site is perfect but I believe this one is the best of them all. Let us all stop fighting and appreciate the people who work for mmorpg.com. Stop the stupid bickering and get back to trashing kickstarter games.
I don't know. I find it terribly ironic that people come stomping into a GAME SITE FORUM and castigate the very people who provide the space and opportunity for them to talk about games with other fans and besmirch the staff that tries to keep the site running. It's mean and, frankly, unkind, something my parents taught me not to be.
It's lucky for Mr. YouTube that he can throw stones in glass houses and up his followers to sap more money out of them...but that's not "games journalism" so I guess it's OK.
That said, leaving the thread. It makes my head hurt.
I get the feeling you didn't actually bothered to understand that he was talking specifically about the people mentioned [and shown, which you'd know if you watched the video enough] and somehow felt it was an attack on everyone.
Also, no offence, but if you were taught to "not be mean and unkind", then you've been failing at that in recent months since you fly off the handle the moment someone gives any criticism to an article from you.
Oh no you di-iiiiint. Gurrrrrl!
"As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*"
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Like he says, just read the language. Look at how these people, who write articles FOR US [hence GAMING journalism], think of the gaming community.
Not everyone in games media is like that. Don't paint with such a broad brush. Thanks.
It's pretty tiring always seeing aspersions cast at the thing that I actually do for a profession. It's like saying all people who post on forums are jerks. I know that's not true and don't say things like that because it's hurtful.
Your right that not all games media are bad, and its a vocal few that are absolute cancer. personally I believe none of the mmorpg staff are this and I commend you for staying away from the worse of it.
but the biggest issue with gaming journalist(actually with journalist as a whole) is they don't call out there own for wrong behavior. look at the jessica price incident...the gaming media defended absolute vile behavior. its like some weird freakish cult. there is no self policing or oversight
Forum goers while toxic at times...do have lines we don't cross and will jump on others that do. we do to some extent police ourselves. for example the Warcraft writer that was getting death threats.... the vast majority supported her and spoke out against those idiots.
You don't really need to specify "Game" media. It's a widespread problem. And until the right kind of purge comes along it won't be fixed
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I'm going to stand over here just like this, until somebody dares to say other wise.
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There is no point offering decent writing to audience that isn't decent itself.
Media, just like any business, are just adjusting to their customers...
Just because "we used to say something" does not mean you were right, it is the same echo chamber effect that was already taking place "back then" and is skewing your perception till today.
Also, no offence, but if you were taught to "not be mean and unkind", then you've been failing at that in recent months since you fly off the handle the moment someone gives any criticism to an article from you.
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