Sony Online Entertainment will not buy this game, nor will Mythic even think about selling it without letting loose a few chuckles. Mythic Entertainment has a very good relationship with Games Workshop right now, one that I don't think Sony could recreate without problems. Either company would be foolish to consider it.
yea if WH does come out next year like they say its going to be a very big hit, lots of WoW fans are bored same with old daoc, eqlive and other MMO players.... everyone wants a new MMO thats not WoW .... not to mention some good pvp.
LOTR and vanguard are nothing new just same old elf,dwarf,human raiding game..... with different textures lol.... only other game is that sci fi tabula rasa game which i dont think is gonna do that good.
Mythic will never sell out to SOE is true, because they're capable of running their own business, but mythic tends to ruin their own games too, but not at the same degree SOE ruin their games.
and that is why i'm never going to buy WAR, look at DAOC, and believe me WAR will end up the same, maybe with a higher player base than daoc.
Games companys always try to give the gaming public what they want, however the amount of players there trying to give to you can always only expect problesm, you can make some of the people happy some of the time but never all the people happy at the same time. This is why they change things about the game, as SOE does, Mystic and even Blizzard (although im sure they dont listen and just do as they please). Your always going to have people saying there class is underpowered, or weak or not right, or this that and the other isnt right.
Just hope Mystic lays down a strong foundation game that attracts the crowds it wants to play, WoW is a PvE game in the end with very weak PvP, Mystic are known for there PvP and by all accounts of what has been said so far there aiming for you to do a lot of it.
SOE wont get there hands on Mystic or GW as both companys are not there to ruin there game with a few cowboy leading the show.
Originally posted by OneMuslim Mythic will never sell out to SOE is true, because they're capable of running their own business, but mythic tends to ruin their own games too, but not at the same degree SOE ruin their games. and that is why i'm never going to buy WAR, look at DAOC, and believe me WAR will end up the same, maybe with a higher player base than daoc.
first off. They created a classic server at once they noticed no one liked ToA. And second of all. What is wrong with DAoC?
Why are people coming to WAR now that SOE is involved with Vanguard? Don't come here and have big hopes and praise for this game, when basically it was your second choice. In other words, it wasn't good enough for you then.
Originally posted by wjrasmussen Why are people coming to WAR now that SOE is involved with Vanguard? Don't come here and have big hopes and praise for this game, when basically it was your second choice. In other words, it wasn't good enough for you then.
I dont quite get what your trying to say here, that WAR is people second choice? and are only looking at it because they dont want to be involved with $OE?
if thats it, then I think your wrong, there have been fans of this MMO for years waiting for it to come out and hope against hope when it was cancled that some one else would pick it up,
This game is not a second choice, its a first and as you can easly see with each day it gains more followers and fans because of what it is and who is doing it.
Vanguard fans may come to this game because they dont want to be involved with $OE but dont slag if off because of what it is, it was always a main choice for a lot of us! and if it gains Vanguards fans so be it.
Originally posted by OneMuslim Mythic will never sell out to SOE is true, because they're capable of running their own business, but mythic tends to ruin their own games too, but not at the same degree SOE ruin their games. and that is why i'm never going to buy WAR, look at DAOC, and believe me WAR will end up the same, maybe with a higher player base than daoc.
i disagree man i really feel mythic knows and will learn from thier mistakes with daoc, this is a fresh new start for them, and this game has the biggest chance to be the game of the decade if they stay true to thier RvR ways. the formula to make this game successful is def inately just be aware of what your customer base wants, they will have a large size audience trying the game out from WoW and they will be yelling at the devs to add more PVE content or raid content or nerf this or that they have to really pay attention and take that stuff slow, they kno the $ for them is in RvR or peeps wouldnt play thier shit theyd stay with WoW.
for example mythic with daoc introduced TOA, which tried to combine daoc with an EQ like alternate gaming option..... hi thats impossible... look at WoW they tried to do it now they backed away from PVP almost completely and are now concintrating on raiding with exception of small battlegrounds.
Originally posted by zethcarn selling out to SOE would be like taking $5 million (if not more) and flushing down a toilet solely based on their horrible reputation.
Absolutely.
Just like anyone who sleeps with OJ Simpson shouldn't complain if they end up dead.
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Well now that Vanguard:SoH is dead (yes, I cancelled my 2 pre-orders), WarHammer Online is the game I am following for 2007. Hello all. Nice to meet you.
Originally posted by pharone1 Well now that Vanguard:SoH is dead (yes, I cancelled my 2 pre-orders), WarHammer Online is the game I am following for 2007. Hello all. Nice to meet you.
Pleased to meet you as well. I suppose that all the WAR fans will be getting used to people that were waiting for Vanguard now looking for somthing else, this I suppose is a great thing, meaning a larger player basis.
Originally posted by VixenHeart I believe that Warhammer Online will get a lot of the World of Borecraft people since the two games do look a lot alike. PvP, RvR, Orcs oh my! Warhammer Online is WoW... just a different flavor of the month.
Mystic over and over again have stated the only thing game will have incomin is it may look the same, to say it is the same would be trying to cast it as just another version of WoW, and in every interview and every post they make they scream it as hard as they can that its not going to be anything like WoW, Mystic are the RvR vets and they know what there oing in that field, so thats they way the games already going to set off at.
People compare the game on looks alone will be shocked when the game is somthing there not expecting.
Originally posted by Silhouette83 Originally posted by VixenHeart I believe that Warhammer Online will get a lot of the World of Borecraft people since the two games do look a lot alike. PvP, RvR, Orcs oh my! Warhammer Online is WoW... just a different flavor of the month.
Mystic over and over again have stated the only thing game will have incomin is it may look the same, to say it is the same would be trying to cast it as just another version of WoW, and in every interview and every post they make they scream it as hard as they can that its not going to be anything like WoW, Mystic are the RvR vets and they know what there oing in that field, so thats they way the games already going to set off at.
People compare the game on looks alone will be shocked when the game is somthing there not expecting.
Tell me this, how much different can you truly make a fantasy MMORPG without making it something different?
I am betting you that WAR won't bring anything [or very little] new to the table because they don't want to take any chances with big names like WoW, EQ2, CoV, etc around to crush them.
So with looks being the same, I bet the game will be pretty similar. If you make something TOO different people will complain and say it's crap, or they could love it.
With over ... what... 100 MMORPGs out, people are too scared to take a chance.
Originally posted by VixenHeart Originally posted by Silhouette83 Originally posted by VixenHeart I believe that Warhammer Online will get a lot of the World of Borecraft people since the two games do look a lot alike. PvP, RvR, Orcs oh my! Warhammer Online is WoW... just a different flavor of the month.
Mystic over and over again have stated the only thing game will have incomin is it may look the same, to say it is the same would be trying to cast it as just another version of WoW, and in every interview and every post they make they scream it as hard as they can that its not going to be anything like WoW, Mystic are the RvR vets and they know what there oing in that field, so thats they way the games already going to set off at.
People compare the game on looks alone will be shocked when the game is somthing there not expecting.
Tell me this, how much different can you truly make a fantasy MMORPG without making it something different?
I am betting you that WAR won't bring anything [or very little] new to the table because they don't want to take any chances with big names like WoW, EQ2, CoV, etc around to crush them.
So with looks being the same, I bet the game will be pretty similar. If you make something TOO different people will complain and say it's crap, or they could love it.
With over ... what... 100 MMORPGs out, people are too scared to take a chance.
WAR have stated how quests will work:
Empire: Gets the pie and returns it like a good little altar boy…the pats himself on the back for a job well done.
OR
Evil Empire: Gets the pie, wraps it up in a box with skulls and pseudo-latin phrases on it, and returns it like a good little altar boy…then adjusts his eye-patch and pats himself on the back for a job well done. Dwarf: Gets the pie and checks it for gold… finding none he sells it for some ale. Greenskin: Defecates in the pie… then eats it… then defecates some more… then decides to kill the person who asked him to get the pie. Chaos: Kills the old lady, violates the pie, then wears it as a hat… then the pie grows an arm. Elf: Too good for such a lowly errand. Dark Elf: Betrays the pie then whines that he is the rightful owner of the pan the pie was cooked in.
This just goes to show unlike other MMO's that the way you do things to get to the end of a quest can vary, its not go get quest get item return item get xp, this shows that you can complete the quest in so many ways to gain the xp you want, another is:
For quests, they’ve taken the classic and created several variant types players will find throughout the game.
Public Quests: Occasionally during gameplay, a player will enter an area and be met with a UI display letting them know a public quest is going on. These are open to everyone and have larger goal. For example, the dwarves may need to feed a giant beer so that he’ll go on a rampage against the orcs. Everyone can contribute and everyone who does gets a reward.
Conflict Quests: These are like public quests, save the other side has an opposing goal. For example, the dwarves have found a battlefield full of injured. Their public quest is to save all the dwarves, while the orcs must kill them all. It is either a race to victory (kill X dwarves before they save X dwarves) or a tug-of-war scenario.
Branching Quests: They’ve also made it a goal to ensure that a quest is not always the same. One way is branching quests where players can make a choice that alters the outcome. For example, you can decide to deliver the item for experience or steal it for gold.
“Christmas Quests”: These quests are hidden, large reward quests that are very easy. The goal is to encourage players to explore and find these gifts. The example Paul gave is a lost ranger with a starving wolf who needs to be fed. He asks you to find the wolf food. You simple kill the ranger and feed him to the wolf. Boom! Experience!
these are just some of the ways there "mixing it up" to creat another type of game, one thats at once original and at the same time familuar to the player, calling WAR just another version of WoW is almost saying every MMO with a human character in is a riping off WoW, and for the just one second you say "green orc" look at the history, so much that they have for this reason stated Warhammer 1983 - 2008 in there trailor.
Don't get me wrong I love my WoW account, having 3 level 60's is nice, I know Im not the biggest PvPer but thats because its weak, a small battleground with a few players that are in there over and over again to just farm the xp, I want real PvP and hope this game is going to give it.
You just suggest all fantasys are the same, in that case why do so many companys make there MMOs fantasy, the biggest thing this MMO has, is a huge and structured history build a time before Warcraft was even a dream, WC3 "Da ya like ma Warhammer, it cost 40k, 40k you get it?".... do you?
I so do not want to get in to a flame war here so I'll leave it at what I've said, if your so against this game then leave it and forget it,
Your entitled to call it WoW v2.0 if you like but how do any of us truly know what this game is going to be like? The closest we can gauge is DAoC, and to call that a copy of WoW too would suggest you have a problem with numbers.
Originally posted by VixenHeart Originally posted by Silhouette83 Originally posted by VixenHeart I believe that Warhammer Online will get a lot of the World of Borecraft people since the two games do look a lot alike. PvP, RvR, Orcs oh my! Warhammer Online is WoW... just a different flavor of the month.
Mystic over and over again have stated the only thing game will have incomin is it may look the same, to say it is the same would be trying to cast it as just another version of WoW, and in every interview and every post they make they scream it as hard as they can that its not going to be anything like WoW, Mystic are the RvR vets and they know what there oing in that field, so thats they way the games already going to set off at.
People compare the game on looks alone will be shocked when the game is somthing there not expecting.
Tell me this, how much different can you truly make a fantasy MMORPG without making it something different?
I am betting you that WAR won't bring anything [or very little] new to the table because they don't want to take any chances with big names like WoW, EQ2, CoV, etc around to crush them.
So with looks being the same, I bet the game will be pretty similar. If you make something TOO different people will complain and say it's crap, or they could love it.
With over ... what... 100 MMORPGs out, people are too scared to take a chance.
Here we go again.
OK, first off, WoW is a completely different story. The characters may be similar, and if it hadn't been for the LOTR movies, the LOTR game would probably be very similar to the graphics of WoW and Warhammer.
Yea, the graphics will be similar, after all, how many ways can you draw an elf's pointed ears?
Difference? Gameplay, Quests, PvP, Character builds. It's what makes a game good. The differences of it from another game of the line. Let's face it, if Blizzard said, We're creating a brand new game, it's called War of Worldcraft (yea, lame, but you'll get the point, it's supposed to be a "different" game.) Then you get it, and find out the quests are different in that instead of going out and killing X wolves, you go out and kill X rats. and on your second quest instead of clicking the barrels, you click the treasure chests. Etc...,
Would this be a different game? It has a different storyline, but the game play is almost the exact same. The graphics may be slightly better, or the character customization is better. But it's still basicly the same game.
Now, if you set the game in a different storyline, the graphics although similar are different, the character build/customization is different. The entire quest system is differnt, the gameplay is different (i.e. movements, how combat works, etc.) and PvP works completely different. Would that still be the same game? just because it still has orks, and elves, and dwarves, oh my? No, it's a different game.
Difference is all about a matter of opinion. I personally feel the advancement of the missions in City of Heroes is alot more fun than those in WoW because you not only have choices as to what missions to take, but the door missions (although similar) usually have different goals to accomplish. Yet all these forums I read people saying CoH is boring and repetitive. It's not my personal opinion, it's someone elses.
The "difference" of one game to another is simply a matter of perspective.
Can you PLEASE stop writing "Mystic" all the time? Their name is Mythic! that's all I wanted to say :P
Sorry, have a slight case of Dyslexia so words in my head get confused, or mixed up, sorry if that causes any offence to you, its the way I actualy see the word and the way my brain memorises it,
I will try my utmost to make sure this does not happen again,
Also this post I'd like to /aplaud the above poster.
Originally posted by Silhouette83 Originally posted by Zoay Silhouette83
Can you PLEASE stop writing "Mystic" all the time? Their name is Mythic! that's all I wanted to say :P
Sorry, have a slight case of Dyslexia so words in my head get confused, or mixed up, sorry if that causes any offence to you, its the way I actualy see the word and the way my brain memorises it,
I will try my utmost to make sure this does not happen again,
Also this post I'd like to /aplaud the above poster.
hehe, sorry m8, it wasn't meant that seriously And from the rest of your spelling I wouldn't have guessed, so I just thought you'd got the name wrong or something ^^
Anyhow were off topic, this post should get back to what is right, the hope that WAR delivers what others have said they would, and just not quite got.
I still give this game my 100% backing and lookforward to its realise, Im also expecting good things from the E3 event.
To the OP, I'm quite sure that Mythic is more than capable of handling WAR, and I think even the thought of them selling it to SOE is completely ridiculous.
Not to mention, Games Workshop definitely wouldn't let SOE control their IP.
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Sony Online Entertainment will not buy this game, nor will Mythic even think about selling it without letting loose a few chuckles. Mythic Entertainment has a very good relationship with Games Workshop right now, one that I don't think Sony could recreate without problems. Either company would be foolish to consider it.
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LOTR and vanguard are nothing new just same old elf,dwarf,human raiding game..... with different textures lol.... only other game is that sci fi tabula rasa game which i dont think is gonna do that good.
Mythic will never sell out to SOE is true, because they're capable of running their own business, but mythic tends to ruin their own games too, but not at the same degree SOE ruin their games.
and that is why i'm never going to buy WAR, look at DAOC, and believe me WAR will end up the same, maybe with a higher player base than daoc.
Just hope Mystic lays down a strong foundation game that attracts the crowds it wants to play, WoW is a PvE game in the end with very weak PvP, Mystic are known for there PvP and by all accounts of what has been said so far there aiming for you to do a lot of it.
SOE wont get there hands on Mystic or GW as both companys are not there to ruin there game with a few cowboy leading the show.
Die Noctique, By Day and Night
Why are people coming to WAR now that SOE is involved with Vanguard? Don't come here and have big hopes and praise for this game, when basically it was your second choice. In other words, it wasn't good enough for you then.
if thats it, then I think your wrong, there have been fans of this MMO for years waiting for it to come out and hope against hope when it was cancled that some one else would pick it up,
This game is not a second choice, its a first and as you can easly see with each day it gains more followers and fans because of what it is and who is doing it.
Vanguard fans may come to this game because they dont want to be involved with $OE but dont slag if off because of what it is, it was always a main choice for a lot of us! and if it gains Vanguards fans so be it.
Die Noctique, By Day and Night
for example mythic with daoc introduced TOA, which tried to combine daoc with an EQ like alternate gaming option..... hi thats impossible... look at WoW they tried to do it now they backed away from PVP almost completely and are now concintrating on raiding with exception of small battlegrounds.
selling out to SOE would be like taking $5 million (if not more) and flushing down a toilet solely based on their horrible reputation.
Originally posted by zethcarn
selling out to SOE would be like taking $5 million (if not more) and flushing down a toilet solely based on their horrible reputation.
Absolutely.
Just like anyone who sleeps with OJ Simpson shouldn't complain if they end up dead.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me.
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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Well now that Vanguard:SoH is dead (yes, I cancelled my 2 pre-orders), WarHammer Online is the game I am following for 2007. Hello all. Nice to meet you.
Die Noctique, By Day and Night
I believe that Warhammer Online will get a lot of the World of Borecraft people since the two games do look a lot alike.
PvP, RvR, Orcs oh my! Warhammer Online is WoW... just a different flavor of the month.
People compare the game on looks alone will be shocked when the game is somthing there not expecting.
Die Noctique, By Day and Night
People compare the game on looks alone will be shocked when the game is somthing there not expecting.
Tell me this, how much different can you truly make a fantasy MMORPG without making it something different?
I am betting you that WAR won't bring anything [or very little] new to the table because they don't want to take any chances with big names like WoW, EQ2, CoV, etc around to crush them.
So with looks being the same, I bet the game will be pretty similar. If you make something TOO different people will complain and say it's crap, or they could love it.
With over ... what... 100 MMORPGs out, people are too scared to take a chance.
People compare the game on looks alone will be shocked when the game is somthing there not expecting.
Tell me this, how much different can you truly make a fantasy MMORPG without making it something different?
I am betting you that WAR won't bring anything [or very little] new to the table because they don't want to take any chances with big names like WoW, EQ2, CoV, etc around to crush them.
So with looks being the same, I bet the game will be pretty similar. If you make something TOO different people will complain and say it's crap, or they could love it.
With over ... what... 100 MMORPGs out, people are too scared to take a chance.
WAR have stated how quests will work:
Empire: Gets the pie and returns it like a good little altar boy…the pats himself on the back for a job well done.
Dwarf: Gets the pie and checks it for gold… finding none he sells it for some ale.
Greenskin: Defecates in the pie… then eats it… then defecates some more… then decides to kill the person who asked him to get the pie.
Chaos: Kills the old lady, violates the pie, then wears it as a hat… then the pie grows an arm.
Elf: Too good for such a lowly errand.
Dark Elf: Betrays the pie then whines that he is the rightful owner of the pan the pie was cooked in.
This just goes to show unlike other MMO's that the way you do things to get to the end of a quest can vary, its not go get quest get item return item get xp, this shows that you can complete the quest in so many ways to gain the xp you want, another is:
For quests, they’ve taken the classic and created several variant types players will find throughout the game.
these are just some of the ways there "mixing it up" to creat another type of game, one thats at once original and at the same time familuar to the player, calling WAR just another version of WoW is almost saying every MMO with a human character in is a riping off WoW, and for the just one second you say "green orc" look at the history, so much that they have for this reason stated Warhammer 1983 - 2008 in there trailor.
Don't get me wrong I love my WoW account, having 3 level 60's is nice, I know Im not the biggest PvPer but thats because its weak, a small battleground with a few players that are in there over and over again to just farm the xp, I want real PvP and hope this game is going to give it.
You just suggest all fantasys are the same, in that case why do so many companys make there MMOs fantasy, the biggest thing this MMO has, is a huge and structured history build a time before Warcraft was even a dream, WC3 "Da ya like ma Warhammer, it cost 40k, 40k you get it?".... do you?
I so do not want to get in to a flame war here so I'll leave it at what I've said, if your so against this game then leave it and forget it,
Your entitled to call it WoW v2.0 if you like but how do any of us truly know what this game is going to be like? The closest we can gauge is DAoC, and to call that a copy of WoW too would suggest you have a problem with numbers.
Die Noctique, By Day and Night
Can you PLEASE stop writing "Mystic" all the time? Their name is Mythic!
that's all I wanted to say :P
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People compare the game on looks alone will be shocked when the game is somthing there not expecting.
Tell me this, how much different can you truly make a fantasy MMORPG without making it something different?
I am betting you that WAR won't bring anything [or very little] new to the table because they don't want to take any chances with big names like WoW, EQ2, CoV, etc around to crush them.
So with looks being the same, I bet the game will be pretty similar. If you make something TOO different people will complain and say it's crap, or they could love it.
With over ... what... 100 MMORPGs out, people are too scared to take a chance.
Here we go again.
OK, first off, WoW is a completely different story. The characters may be similar, and if it hadn't been for the LOTR movies, the LOTR game would probably be very similar to the graphics of WoW and Warhammer.
Yea, the graphics will be similar, after all, how many ways can you draw an elf's pointed ears?
Difference? Gameplay, Quests, PvP, Character builds. It's what makes a game good. The differences of it from another game of the line. Let's face it, if Blizzard said, We're creating a brand new game, it's called War of Worldcraft (yea, lame, but you'll get the point, it's supposed to be a "different" game.) Then you get it, and find out the quests are different in that instead of going out and killing X wolves, you go out and kill X rats. and on your second quest instead of clicking the barrels, you click the treasure chests. Etc...,
Would this be a different game? It has a different storyline, but the game play is almost the exact same. The graphics may be slightly better, or the character customization is better. But it's still basicly the same game.
Now, if you set the game in a different storyline, the graphics although similar are different, the character build/customization is different. The entire quest system is differnt, the gameplay is different (i.e. movements, how combat works, etc.) and PvP works completely different. Would that still be the same game? just because it still has orks, and elves, and dwarves, oh my? No, it's a different game.
Difference is all about a matter of opinion. I personally feel the advancement of the missions in City of Heroes is alot more fun than those in WoW because you not only have choices as to what missions to take, but the door missions (although similar) usually have different goals to accomplish. Yet all these forums I read people saying CoH is boring and repetitive. It's not my personal opinion, it's someone elses.
The "difference" of one game to another is simply a matter of perspective.
I will try my utmost to make sure this does not happen again,
Also this post I'd like to /aplaud the above poster.
Die Noctique, By Day and Night
I will try my utmost to make sure this does not happen again,
Also this post I'd like to /aplaud the above poster.
hehe, sorry m8, it wasn't meant that seriously
And from the rest of your spelling I wouldn't have guessed, so I just thought you'd got the name wrong or something ^^
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Anyhow were off topic, this post should get back to what is right, the hope that WAR delivers what others have said they would, and just not quite got.
I still give this game my 100% backing and lookforward to its realise, Im also expecting good things from the E3 event.
Die Noctique, By Day and Night
To the OP, I'm quite sure that Mythic is more than capable of handling WAR, and I think even the thought of them selling it to SOE is completely ridiculous.
Not to mention, Games Workshop definitely wouldn't let SOE control their IP.
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