Originally posted by Urza123 So how many of you are laughing when reading though EVE GOT 8.4 WTF!!!! The most halarious reading I swear. How everyone is pissed that their game is not #1. Most of the truths they list are half truths or based on 30 min expirience with the game.
I really enjoy reading those morons go at it. Mass stupidity is halarious
Yep, you need much for than 30 min to actually play the game.
Originally posted by Urza123 To be honest I am glad that 90% of WoW ppl dont have enough brains or just not intrested in type of gameplay EVE offers. I mean come on how often do you want to hear "I PWN U!!!" or "733t l00ts ftw!!". I got to agree it will be fun killing them cuz they will be clueless in combat. Aside from that EVE is an alternative game, it is not mainstream, it will never appeal to the masses and that is the way I like it.
I have heard far more "leet" speak in EVE then I ever heard playing WoW. Clueless in combat? Getting abit bold with your generalizations aren't you? 6 million-ish play WoW yet you have managed to nail down the fact that all them - us wouldn't be smart enough to play or skilled enough to handle you in a little PvP? Nice...
And people talk about the WoW community...
i dont think the majority of the woweez could get a handle on how to control there char to get far enuff to pvp in wow, it is an intricate game and i cant stand eve, but i have played both, and if you are used to wow, man eve will seem very hard for you too learn, so yeah i dont think most woweez could pvp in eve, simple because most (not all) could not grasp the game far enuff to get too the point where you could learn yer char too pvp
Originally posted by Urza123 To be honest I am glad that 90% of WoW ppl dont have enough brains or just not intrested in type of gameplay EVE offers. I mean come on how often do you want to hear "I PWN U!!!" or "733t l00ts ftw!!". I got to agree it will be fun killing them cuz they will be clueless in combat. Aside from that EVE is an alternative game, it is not mainstream, it will never appeal to the masses and that is the way I like it.
I have heard far more "leet" speak in EVE then I ever heard playing WoW. Clueless in combat? Getting abit bold with your generalizations aren't you? 6 million-ish play WoW yet you have managed to nail down the fact that all them - us wouldn't be smart enough to play or skilled enough to handle you in a little PvP? Nice...
And people talk about the WoW community...
Some will adapt, most will not and quit without even trying just like 90% of people in the WTF EVE topic. I mean some people could not even get passed the tutorial, my 7 year old kid had no problems blasting though it in 30 minutes with out any help from me. Then I hear that it is too hard too complex and people dont get it.
You hear leet speek in EVE well what channel should I go to so I can hear it as well because in my three years of EVE I hardly heard any. On the other hand when I am in Ironforge the only thing I hear is leet speak. Aside from all the above I didnt say all just said 90%.
The thing is, even if I will give best of the best to any of those 90% in EVE and simply explain on how equipment works most of them will not be able to take me down in PvP. Why? Naturally because I got more expirience in the game. However if I got into BGs all I need to know is hit Bloodrage, Charge and Mortal Strike and chances are I already got them near death, if you add in the same condition of me having best equipment in the game they will be dead.
Point being is, most people in WoW let their brains work on easy mode for quite some time so when encounter something more complex like EVE, people are turned off by the fact that is complex. That is fine with me which is exactly what I said. The only thing I added was that it definately would be fun of blasting idiots who are not willing to learn as they will try to follow the same principle they did in WoW as in get best gear, bloodrage, charge, mortal strike.
Are there people in WoW who are very capable? Ofcourse there are. Are there people who if spend a little effort learning EVE that can kick my ass. Most probably. How many of those people present in WoW? I would say 10%.
Why 10%? Because 90% of the bashers stated that they didnt get pass tutorial.
EVE is very different from most of the other games out there. That is mainly because of the training mechanics...in EVE there is nothing like the usual level grinding you find in other games. Because of that most of the playerbase are people who dont have much time to actually play EVE. They may have a job, wife and kids and a rl to manage and so only play between 1-3 hours a day in the evening. Because of this the community tends to be more mature than in other games. Of course that is a huge advantage for any game. The problem that comes along with that is the time those players are effectively online and doing something for the game. Most of them are empire carebears and they dont add any content to the game. They do solo stuff like missioning, trading or mining. Just everything which can be done in their online time. Any other stuff like populating 0.0 and building content etc. cant be done by those players because it requires much more time than those players have. And don't say "but i am playing only 2 hours a day and i live in 0.0" .... yeah maybe u do but this is only possible because most of u are in a big corp/alliance and are protected by those players who are online even during the day.
Don't get me wrong i like EVE very much and it is a great game but it would be even better and more exciting if all the carebears will actually start playing the game and advance into 0.0 and try to accomplish something there.
I really dislike the term carebear I bought them for my kids when they were little ..and just because I am not into pvp or going to 0.o space does not make me a carebear ...my bigest prob is the lv 3 & 4 implants I have in my head ...to get podded would cost me hundreds of million isk ....thats it .
I orgionally started in 04 did lots of corp wars as empire was constantly in a state of war my corp decided to make an productiuon corp to build ships & ammo for these endless wars ..I got roped in to doing that thus came ritches as many other corps began buying from my 4 account mining production team got ritch ..took a break from eve now just a happy guy rat hunting with friends and afk mining with my indy ..EvE is a game not a life achevement .my selfesteam is not based arroung building content in 0o space ..
I like eve its endless and fun in many ways ..I also play WoW and have tried to get guildies to try eve most like the game ..but say its to slow ..& they dont like the fact that they cant grind there way into uber players by playing 24/7 ..this is the biggest drawback to eve getting new players ..whitch is fine ...plus the eve combat system isnt really based on player skill ..like freelancer if you really want a pvp space sim go play that ..its more based on player time as your ingame learned skills generally decide the outcome of these battles..
with my 21 mil in sp there is no way a new player would stand a chance 1on 1 against me or anybody with that amount of sp just like I wouldent stand a chance against a 25+mil sp char just to many skills to overcome ..
I killed a 28-million skillpoint character when I had 10 million skillpionts. Just because you have 21 million skillpoints does not mean that newer players would stand no chance agaisnt you.
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Originally posted by Drkreaper I really dislike the term carebear I bought them for my kids when they were little ..and just because I am not into pvp or going to 0.o space does not make me a carebear ...my bigest prob is the lv 3 & 4 implants I have in my head ...to get podded would cost me hundreds of million isk ....thats it . I orgionally started in 04 did lots of corp wars as empire was constantly in a state of war my corp decided to make an productiuon corp to build ships & ammo for these endless wars ..I got roped in to doing that thus came ritches as many other corps began buying from my 4 account mining production team got ritch ..took a break from eve now just a happy guy rat hunting with friends and afk mining with my indy ..EvE is a game not a life achevement .my selfesteam is not based arroung building content in 0o space .. I like eve its endless and fun in many ways ..I also play WoW and have tried to get guildies to try eve most like the game ..but say its to slow ..& they dont like the fact that they cant grind there way into uber players by playing 24/7 ..this is the biggest drawback to eve getting new players ..whitch is fine ...plus the eve combat system isnt really based on player skill ..like freelancer if you really want a pvp space sim go play that ..its more based on player time as your ingame learned skills generally decide the outcome of these battles.. with my 21 mil in sp there is no way a new player would stand a chance 1on 1 against me or anybody with that amount of sp just like I wouldent stand a chance against a 25+mil sp char just to many skills to overcome .. its not a bad thing just reality .
No that is not a reality. How many of those 21+ million SP do you use in a frigate/cruiser/battleship? A very small portion of them, probably on the order of 6-8 million SP max, so a newer player, if specialized could be you're equal in the same ship in under a year. If they have a better setup and know how to use it they will easily beat you. You're 16 million extra SP don't mean jack sh*t.
Originally posted by Urza123 To be honest I am glad that 90% of WoW ppl dont have enough brains or just not intrested in type of gameplay EVE offers. I mean come on how often do you want to hear "I PWN U!!!" or "733t l00ts ftw!!". I got to agree it will be fun killing them cuz they will be clueless in combat. Aside from that EVE is an alternative game, it is not mainstream, it will never appeal to the masses and that is the way I like it.
I have heard far more "leet" speak in EVE then I ever heard playing WoW. Clueless in combat? Getting abit bold with your generalizations aren't you? 6 million-ish play WoW yet you have managed to nail down the fact that all them - us wouldn't be smart enough to play or skilled enough to handle you in a little PvP? Nice...
And people talk about the WoW community...
On the contrary, out of ALL the mmo's I've played I would say the top 2 "leet speak" would go to Star Wars Galaxies then World of Warcraft. The _ONLY_ time when I see anything that remotely resembles "leet speak" is the occasional "u" or just an intentional razzing between friends who are _trying_ to be stupid.
Originally posted by Drkreaper with my 21 mil in sp there is no way a new player would stand a chance 1on 1 against me or anybody with that amount of sp just like I wouldent stand a chance against a 25+mil sp char just to many skills to overcome ..
I totaly dissagree with this.
I've seen many circumstances where the quoted statement contradicted an outcome.
I would love to try EVE, But from my understanding it is mainly a PVP game. If I am wrong tell me, but I can't stand PVP. Yes I suck at it, but that makes it very unfun to play. I am a 38 year old and I don't have time to play something that isnt fun. Like I said please inform me if I am wrong as I am always looking for new experiences.
with my 21 mil in sp there is no way a new player would stand a chance 1on 1 against me or anybody with that amount of sp just like I wouldent stand a chance against a 25+mil sp char just to many skills to overcome .. its not a bad thing just reality .
As the other repliers discussed the SP point, I'll talk about 1 on 1 engagments in EVE.
They are rare...damn rare. The only times 1-on-1 engagements occur are during pre-arranged duels or when someone gets caught accidently. To put an additional spin to it, the only engagements where the fight is relavitely even on both sides are pre-arranged duels. What that means is that almost all the pvp in EVE is unconsentual, uneven, and to a certian extent unpredictable.
Therefore, when you say that 1 mil SP character has no chance agianst a 21 mil SP character you are assuming that they are engaging in a 1-on-1 battle using the best gear that they have the skills for. This simply doesn't happen in EVE where they are more likely participating in a battle with multiple participants and flying only what they can afford to lose.
What you should be asking yourself is "How effective can a low SP character (less than 5 mi SP) be in a pvp gang?"
(although this seems to be going a little off topic I'll stick my ore in.)
I'm a reasonably new player - 6 months or so, and also a 2-Boxer.
First things first - the "carebears should play the game properly" - Who gave you the right to lecture people on how to play Eve? If people want to mine, produce and keep their heads low in Empire space - so be it - remember that the Corps these people belong to are the ones producing T1 ships and modules that keep all of us Combat types operational. My Corp has a very mixed bunch; including people who have a very deep understanding of trade and the Eve market, which confuses the hell out of me, who have no interest in combat whatsoever.
As for no 5mil Sp character stands a chance against a 20mil Sp character - thats a big statement to make; I'd suggest that the only true advantage a 20mil SP'er has is that they have more of an understanding of the effects and tactics of modules/ships. We regulary take newer players out on Corp operations with us, and they are often very useful to the fleet in support roles - be it providing EW, shield boosting, NOS'ing, tackling, or providing Frigate cover for the larger ships in the fleet if interceptor pilots arn't available - all essential roles that can be filled *very* early during a Characters career - all easily achievable during the trial period.
I know I have taken on Corp mates with significant SP advantage in Frigate vs Frigate battles and won; usually because I'm just damn underhanded.. we all know its very hard to equip a ship to deal with every eventuality - and knowing when to run like hell and hide is something no amount of SP will teach you!
But yes - people knocking it for getting a good score; how much hand holding do you want a game to give you? To be honest, the way WoW (as an example) channels you into carrying out certain quests at certain times in order to advance, and then having to grind just to get the XP to do them, drives me absolutely crazy.
Originally posted by mindspat Originally posted by Drkreaper with my 21 mil in sp there is no way a new player would stand a chance 1on 1 against me or anybody with that amount of sp just like I wouldent stand a chance against a 25+mil sp char just to many skills to overcome .. I totaly dissagree with this. I've seen many circumstances where the quoted statement contradicted an outcome.
mindspat is correct. The difference between a 25 million SP character and a 21 million SP character in a given ship is likely to be a 5% advantage, assuming 1 or even a few skills at level V vs level IV.
The difference between a 6 million SP character and a 21 million SP character is also 5%, assuming that 6 million SP character trained up skills to be successful with whatever ship he's piloting. Even if someone has 21 million points, you're still limited by what skills apply to what ship you're flying. 10 million points in battleships and missiles won't help you at all in a laser fitted cruiser for instance.
you are correct in saying that a char that just focauses upon 1 avenue of skill training say gunnery& the skills to lower cap usuage & sutch will have an advantage over a more well rounded char..but how does it take to reach that max skill lv you are refering to ...I have well over 3 mil in gunnery and am no were near maxed...
and you are correct is saying that most pvp is in group battles or low sec belt pking with several peeps hunting single ships mining ...or lone rat hunters ..if you are in empire space no mater what the sec rating pking others well your not engaging in pvp your just out to ruin another players gamming experance ...
In my old corp we had 6 players form a pvp group all in rifters & vergils (sorry bad spelling )they trained only those skills that would benifit those ships & taking down low sec rat hunting & pvp against most anything they came across they had me produce these ships and the equipment they used ...after several months of working together & skill training they were nearly unstopable ..
what I was refering to was that if you are a new player you wont have the skills or exp to fight against more seasoned pilots ...in most other games you can grind away to reach the same lv /equipment in a short time as seasoned players because of the way the games are designed ...guess I just dident make it clear in my other post ..
and yes I have a ton of my sp in production & mining because thats were my corp needed me the most we had lots of pvp foacused pilots in the corp but very few that had any intrest in production & mining..
and I like the fact that I can fly 90% of all the ships in game to me EvE is more than pking another player so sorry if I dident make my point in a more defined manner I truly enjoy eve the way I play it ..and isnt that why we spend real world cash to play a game ..to enjoy it
Originally posted by Drkreaper you are correct in saying that a char that just focauses upon 1 avenue of skill training say gunnery& the skills to lower cap usuage & sutch will have an advantage over a more well rounded char..but how does it take to reach that max skill lv you are refering to ...I have well over 3 mil in gunnery and am no were near maxed...
I have 7 mill in gunnery and can only use hybrids. I've only achieved large railgun spec too so I've nowhere near maxed out gunnery. I've been training other skills too so haven't really been working on it a younger player could have easily surpassed me in gunnery by now if they focused their training.
and you are correct is saying that most pvp is in group battles or low sec belt pking with several peeps hunting single ships mining ...or lone rat hunters ..if you are in empire space no mater what the sec rating pking others well your not engaging in pvp your just out to ruin another players gamming experance ...
Players don't PK in high-sec unless they can get something out of it, it's usually because a juicy target comes along to make it worthwhile. If other players would use thier brain and stop being such easy targets then this wouldn't be a problem.
In my old corp we had 6 players form a pvp group all in rifters & vergils (sorry bad spelling )they trained only those skills that would benifit those ships & taking down low sec rat hunting & pvp against most anything they came across they had me produce these ships and the equipment they used ...after several months of working together & skill training they were nearly unstopable ..
I'm sure I could think up several gang setups that would decimate that group. There is always a counter to every strategy, just takes someone to think it up.
what I was refering to was that if you are a new player you wont have the skills or exp to fight against more seasoned pilots ...in most other games you can grind away to reach the same lv /equipment in a short time as seasoned players because of the way the games are designed ...guess I just dident make it clear in my other post ..
In other games even if you reach the same lv/equipment, against an EXPERIENCED pvp'er you'll still get trounced. The only way to learn PVP is by doing it, and that means dying...a lot...until you get better at it. Then you still die a lot but at least you take some of them with you.
and yes I have a ton of my sp in production & mining because thats were my corp needed me the most we had lots of pvp foacused pilots in the corp but very few that had any intrest in production & mining..
It's fine to enjoy the non-combat side of the game, but you have to realise that this game is based around open PVP gameplay and whether you like it or not if you want to be a part of the aspects you like you have to accept that you WILL GET BLOWN UP EVENTUALLY.
and I like the fact that I can fly 90% of all the ships in game to me EvE is more than pking another player so sorry if I dident make my point in a more defined manner I truly enjoy eve the way I play it ..and isnt that why we spend real world cash to play a game ..to enjoy it
I have over 30 million SP and I can only fly about 25% of the ships in game, if that, but the ones I do fly I fly as well as possible.
I think its funny too. The say they cannot even move, that proberly because they saw the turtorial and closed it. You cannot rate a game till you have played it for about 2 weeks minuim. Playing for 5 minutes then saying its rubbish is not a true opinion.
Originally posted by Minsc Originally posted by Drkreaper you are correct in saying that a char that just focauses upon 1 avenue of skill training say gunnery& the skills to lower cap usuage & sutch will have an advantage over a more well rounded char..but how does it take to reach that max skill lv you are refering to ...I have well over 3 mil in gunnery and am no were near maxed...
I have 7 mill in gunnery and can only use hybrids. I've only achieved large railgun spec too so I've nowhere near maxed out gunnery. I've been training other skills too so haven't really been working on it a younger player could have easily surpassed me in gunnery by now if they focused their training.
and you are correct is saying that most pvp is in group battles or low sec belt pking with several peeps hunting single ships mining ...or lone rat hunters ..if you are in empire space no mater what the sec rating pking others well your not engaging in pvp your just out to ruin another players gamming experance ...
Players don't PK in high-sec unless they can get something out of it, it's usually because a juicy target comes along to make it worthwhile. If other players would use thier brain and stop being such easy targets then this wouldn't be a problem.
In my old corp we had 6 players form a pvp group all in rifters & vergils (sorry bad spelling )they trained only those skills that would benifit those ships & taking down low sec rat hunting & pvp against most anything they came across they had me produce these ships and the equipment they used ...after several months of working together & skill training they were nearly unstopable ..
I'm sure I could think up several gang setups that would decimate that group. There is always a counter to every strategy, just takes someone to think it up.
what I was refering to was that if you are a new player you wont have the skills or exp to fight against more seasoned pilots ...in most other games you can grind away to reach the same lv /equipment in a short time as seasoned players because of the way the games are designed ...guess I just dident make it clear in my other post ..
In other games even if you reach the same lv/equipment, against an EXPERIENCED pvp'er you'll still get trounced. The only way to learn PVP is by doing it, and that means dying...a lot...until you get better at it. Then you still die a lot but at least you take some of them with you.
and yes I have a ton of my sp in production & mining because thats were my corp needed me the most we had lots of pvp foacused pilots in the corp but very few that had any intrest in production & mining..
It's fine to enjoy the non-combat side of the game, but you have to realise that this game is based around open PVP gameplay and whether you like it or not if you want to be a part of the aspects you like you have to accept that you WILL GET BLOWN UP EVENTUALLY.
and I like the fact that I can fly 90% of all the ships in game to me EvE is more than pking another player so sorry if I dident make my point in a more defined manner I truly enjoy eve the way I play it ..and isnt that why we spend real world cash to play a game ..to enjoy it
I have over 30 million SP and I can only fly about 25% of the ships in game, if that, but the ones I do fly I fly as well as possible.
EVE... The only MMORPG where you can put 20 players in a room, come back in a hour to find them beating the crap out of each other over how to play the game
I feel EVE really isn't for the average mmorpg gamer. It has a steep learning curve and isn't that intuitive unlike WoW or GW. EVE really is for sci fi fans who are good with planning and min maxing numbers. Anyway overall the trial experience was fun although I didn't like the skill system. If only they could turn the ships into a battletech concept instead ala the cancelled BT3025, I would subscribe in a heartbeat. Its simply too lonely in the dark reaches of space. The chat system is great but its no substitute for seeing other toons around. Imagine vast reaches of plainsland i.e. Dun Morough where Mechs duke it out...now that would be fun. ^_^
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I have heard far more "leet" speak in EVE then I ever heard playing WoW. Clueless in combat? Getting abit bold with your generalizations aren't you? 6 million-ish play WoW yet you have managed to nail down the fact that all them - us wouldn't be smart enough to play or skilled enough to handle you in a little PvP? Nice...
And people talk about the WoW community...
i dont think the majority of the woweez could get a handle on how to control there char to get far enuff to pvp in wow, it is an intricate game and i cant stand eve, but i have played both, and if you are used to wow, man eve will seem very hard for you too learn, so yeah i dont think most woweez could pvp in eve, simple because most (not all) could not grasp the game far enuff to get too the point where you could learn yer char too pvp
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I have heard far more "leet" speak in EVE then I ever heard playing WoW. Clueless in combat? Getting abit bold with your generalizations aren't you? 6 million-ish play WoW yet you have managed to nail down the fact that all them - us wouldn't be smart enough to play or skilled enough to handle you in a little PvP? Nice...
And people talk about the WoW community...
Some will adapt, most will not and quit without even trying just like 90% of people in the WTF EVE topic. I mean some people could not even get passed the tutorial, my 7 year old kid had no problems blasting though it in 30 minutes with out any help from me. Then I hear that it is too hard too complex and people dont get it.
You hear leet speek in EVE well what channel should I go to so I can hear it as well because in my three years of EVE I hardly heard any. On the other hand when I am in Ironforge the only thing I hear is leet speak. Aside from all the above I didnt say all just said 90%.
The thing is, even if I will give best of the best to any of those 90% in EVE and simply explain on how equipment works most of them will not be able to take me down in PvP. Why? Naturally because I got more expirience in the game. However if I got into BGs all I need to know is hit Bloodrage, Charge and Mortal Strike and chances are I already got them near death, if you add in the same condition of me having best equipment in the game they will be dead.
Point being is, most people in WoW let their brains work on easy mode for quite some time so when encounter something more complex like EVE, people are turned off by the fact that is complex. That is fine with me which is exactly what I said. The only thing I added was that it definately would be fun of blasting idiots who are not willing to learn as they will try to follow the same principle they did in WoW as in get best gear, bloodrage, charge, mortal strike.
Are there people in WoW who are very capable? Ofcourse there are. Are there people who if spend a little effort learning EVE that can kick my ass. Most probably. How many of those people present in WoW? I would say 10%.
Why 10%? Because 90% of the bashers stated that they didnt get pass tutorial.
Because of this the community tends to be more mature than in other games. Of course that is a huge advantage for any game. The problem that comes along with that is the time those players are effectively online and doing something for the game. Most of them are empire carebears and they dont add any content to the game. They do solo stuff like missioning, trading or mining. Just everything which can be done in their online time. Any other stuff like populating 0.0 and building content etc. cant be done by those players because it requires much more time than those players have.
And don't say "but i am playing only 2 hours a day and i live in 0.0" .... yeah maybe u do but this is only possible because most of u are in a big corp/alliance and are protected by those players who are online even during the day.
Don't get me wrong i like EVE very much and it is a great game but it would be even better and more exciting if all the carebears will actually start playing the game and advance into 0.0 and try to accomplish something there.
I really dislike the term carebear I bought them for my kids when they were little ..and just because I am not into pvp or going to 0.o space does not make me a carebear ...my bigest prob is the lv 3 & 4 implants I have in my head ...to get podded would cost me hundreds of million isk ....thats it .
I orgionally started in 04 did lots of corp wars as empire was constantly in a state of war my corp decided to make an productiuon corp to build ships & ammo for these endless wars ..I got roped in to doing that thus came ritches as many other corps began buying from my 4 account mining production team got ritch ..took a break from eve now just a happy guy rat hunting with friends and afk mining with my indy ..EvE is a game not a life achevement .my selfesteam is not based arroung building content in 0o space ..
I like eve its endless and fun in many ways ..I also play WoW and have tried to get guildies to try eve most like the game ..but say its to slow ..& they dont like the fact that they cant grind there way into uber players by playing 24/7 ..this is the biggest drawback to eve getting new players ..whitch is fine ...plus the eve combat system isnt really based on player skill ..like freelancer if you really want a pvp space sim go play that ..its more based on player time as your ingame learned skills generally decide the outcome of these battles..
with my 21 mil in sp there is no way a new player would stand a chance 1on 1 against me or anybody with that amount of sp just like I wouldent stand a chance against a 25+mil sp char just to many skills to overcome ..
its not a bad thing just reality .
I killed a 28-million skillpoint character when I had 10 million skillpionts. Just because you have 21 million skillpoints does not mean that newer players would stand no chance agaisnt you.
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I have heard far more "leet" speak in EVE then I ever heard playing WoW. Clueless in combat? Getting abit bold with your generalizations aren't you? 6 million-ish play WoW yet you have managed to nail down the fact that all them - us wouldn't be smart enough to play or skilled enough to handle you in a little PvP? Nice...
And people talk about the WoW community...
On the contrary, out of ALL the mmo's I've played I would say the top 2 "leet speak" would go to Star Wars Galaxies then World of Warcraft. The _ONLY_ time when I see anything that remotely resembles "leet speak" is the occasional "u" or just an intentional razzing between friends who are _trying_ to be stupid.
Friends don't let friends play WoW.
I totaly dissagree with this.
I've seen many circumstances where the quoted statement contradicted an outcome.
I would love to try EVE, But from my understanding it is mainly a PVP game. If I am wrong tell me, but I can't stand PVP. Yes I suck at it, but that makes it very unfun to play. I am a 38 year old and I don't have time to play something that isnt fun. Like I said please inform me if I am wrong as I am always looking for new experiences.
They are rare...damn rare. The only times 1-on-1 engagements occur are during pre-arranged duels or when someone gets caught accidently. To put an additional spin to it, the only engagements where the fight is relavitely even on both sides are pre-arranged duels. What that means is that almost all the pvp in EVE is unconsentual, uneven, and to a certian extent unpredictable.
Therefore, when you say that 1 mil SP character has no chance agianst a 21 mil SP character you are assuming that they are engaging in a 1-on-1 battle using the best gear that they have the skills for. This simply doesn't happen in EVE where they are more likely participating in a battle with multiple participants and flying only what they can afford to lose.
What you should be asking yourself is "How effective can a low SP character (less than 5 mi SP) be in a pvp gang?"
The determining factors that win pvp fights are:
pvp tactics > battle venue > numbers > experience > ships & equipment > skill points
(although this seems to be going a little off topic I'll stick my ore in.)
I'm a reasonably new player - 6 months or so, and also a 2-Boxer.
First things first - the "carebears should play the game properly" - Who gave you the right to lecture people on how to play Eve? If people want to mine, produce and keep their heads low in Empire space - so be it - remember that the Corps these people belong to are the ones producing T1 ships and modules that keep all of us Combat types operational. My Corp has a very mixed bunch; including people who have a very deep understanding of trade and the Eve market, which confuses the hell out of me, who have no interest in combat whatsoever.
As for no 5mil Sp character stands a chance against a 20mil Sp character - thats a big statement to make; I'd suggest that the only true advantage a 20mil SP'er has is that they have more of an understanding of the effects and tactics of modules/ships. We regulary take newer players out on Corp operations with us, and they are often very useful to the fleet in support roles - be it providing EW, shield boosting, NOS'ing, tackling, or providing Frigate cover for the larger ships in the fleet if interceptor pilots arn't available - all essential roles that can be filled *very* early during a Characters career - all easily achievable during the trial period.
I know I have taken on Corp mates with significant SP advantage in Frigate vs Frigate battles and won; usually because I'm just damn underhanded.. we all know its very hard to equip a ship to deal with every eventuality - and knowing when to run like hell and hide is something no amount of SP will teach you!
But yes - people knocking it for getting a good score; how much hand holding do you want a game to give you? To be honest, the way WoW (as an example) channels you into carrying out certain quests at certain times in order to advance, and then having to grind just to get the XP to do them, drives me absolutely crazy.
mindspat is correct. The difference between a 25 million SP character and a 21 million SP character in a given ship is likely to be a 5% advantage, assuming 1 or even a few skills at level V vs level IV.
The difference between a 6 million SP character and a 21 million SP character is also 5%, assuming that 6 million SP character trained up skills to be successful with whatever ship he's piloting. Even if someone has 21 million points, you're still limited by what skills apply to what ship you're flying. 10 million points in battleships and missiles won't help you at all in a laser fitted cruiser for instance.
you are correct in saying that a char that just focauses upon 1 avenue of skill training say gunnery& the skills to lower cap usuage & sutch will have an advantage over a more well rounded char..but how does it take to reach that max skill lv you are refering to ...I have well over 3 mil in gunnery and am no were near maxed...
and you are correct is saying that most pvp is in group battles or low sec belt pking with several peeps hunting single ships mining ...or lone rat hunters ..if you are in empire space no mater what the sec rating pking others well your not engaging in pvp your just out to ruin another players gamming experance ...
In my old corp we had 6 players form a pvp group all in rifters & vergils (sorry bad spelling )they trained only those skills that would benifit those ships & taking down low sec rat hunting & pvp against most anything they came across they had me produce these ships and the equipment they used ...after several months of working together & skill training they were nearly unstopable ..
what I was refering to was that if you are a new player you wont have the skills or exp to fight against more seasoned pilots ...in most other games you can grind away to reach the same lv /equipment in a short time as seasoned players because of the way the games are designed ...guess I just dident make it clear in my other post ..
and yes I have a ton of my sp in production & mining because thats were my corp needed me the most we had lots of pvp foacused pilots in the corp but very few that had any intrest in production & mining..
and I like the fact that I can fly 90% of all the ships in game to me EvE is more than pking another player so sorry if I dident make my point in a more defined manner I truly enjoy eve the way I play it ..and isnt that why we spend real world cash to play a game ..to enjoy it
EVE... The only MMORPG where you can put 20 players in a room, come back in a hour to find them beating the crap out of each other over how to play the game