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Religious and LGBT Guilds, Yay or Nay?
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No i will not. There is no reason for this.Friendly for what?? You have a lot of gay chat rooms all over the internet
You are not right in your head if you hate hard working Amish people.
/facepalm
I don't get it - I game with people to enjoy playing the game, not talking about some other cause. Friendships form irrespective of the theme of a guild, and you can discuss anything that's important to you then. Personally, I don't understand the constant need for validation about lifestyles. You're a born again Christian - cool. You don't have to make every personal interaction about the glories of the bible. You're LGBT - not every interaction has to be coloured by that. I believe simply in accepting people and not making a fuss about their lifestyle.
That being said, it's a voluntary transaction and that's something I can't argue with.
Sexuality have nothing to do in games. Like we don't know why they do this. So they get another chance for dating each other. And stop with that crap about ''nice good gay people'', that is not true, you have all kind of people in LGBT comunity and i dare to say that you have more verbal problems in that kind of groups
Right:)
Any issues such as chat channel harrasment or threats if real harm because of these differences would be treated the same by an MMO company regardless, the guild aspect doesn't change that.
Live and let live.
If you don't mind and reading my previous reply a few pages back you'll see my thoughts in the matter. LGBT guilds aren't there to push any sort of agenda (not saying that some don't, but not the one's I associate with). As I've expressed before I have joined guilds in the past who all feel at liberty of speaking about their personal lives and that's perfectly fine. Though, when I speak about my life and tastes I get the usual response like you just gave as to why I have to put my sexuality in the conversation. I don't speak about anything different than what guild members usual go on about which is their girlfriends, marriages, taste in women and so on, but when I speak about relevant topics since I'm gay it is now some sort of statement. That is why I joined a LGBT friendly guild where I'm at liberty to speak about whatever topic freely without people thinking I'm pushing my agenda just by speaking about my day with my boyfriend. (Also the fact that I'm tired of hearing gay and fag every minute in people's conversations)
LGBT fine, christian budhist hindu well OK. But I have to draw the line at cat lovers, they really should just log off and seek treatment.
What about guilds for cat girl lovers, i hear theres gona be loads of those in FFXIV.
I'm all for exclusion guilds. There are classes of people I don't like to communicate with, starting with "stupid". Why should I be forced to be in a tight contact with them? I want to play with people I like, rather than with people that annoy me. Therefore, any guild, no matter how exclusive, has full right to exist.
I've always had a bit of a problem with being a part of the LGBT community because of this particular reason. Making a guild exclusively involved with LGBT sounds nice in theory, but is totally counter intuitive. The guild by definition essentially reinforces the idea that being LGBT is in fact different, because this guild is focused entirely on that difference. If the LGBT community wants acceptance by reinforcing that we are equal to straight people, then parading our difference from them is certainly not exactly the best way to go about it.
in my opinion anyway.
Religious guilds are fine. LGBT guilds are fine. Guilds for people who love Dr. Who are fine. Guilds for people who love cats are fine, etc.
Make your guild based on "preference", whether it's religious, sexual or otherwise. Why on earth would we ban that?
Yep, agreed. Still believe we shouldn't ban LGBT guilds because of this though (not to imply that you do, but since "to ban or not to ban" is the topic of this thread).
Why would I care AT ALL if you're gay or transgender.
I do not care, keep your sexual stuff out of games where kids play.
THIS, why the hell are people bringing their sexual orientation into games, not only is it completely immersion breaking to bring up political and sexual topics, KIDS play these games, keep your sexual desires OUT OF THE GAME and go talk about it on a forum that deals with sex
Truthfully, I do not get why players want to "play at" relationships in computer games. Straight or homosexual, it matters not to me. All of that is strange to me. I made myself do the Bastilla love thing in SW:KotOR 1 in order to turn her back. It was not fun at all for me. It was uncomfortable. So why does it matter what sexual orientation one is in a game?
Same with religious Guilds. "We worship a God NOT in this game. Come join us!" May as well throw the lore right out with the bath water.
Immersion is really non-existant in MMOs. Someone, somewhere will always talk about real world issues, happenings, or memes in global chat. Heck, many times in EQ when I'd be running through East Commonlands it was a rare time when Monty Python and the Holy Grail was not being repeated in /ooc chat.
Immersion breakers are kind of like litter. It is everywhere. If everyone picked up 1 or 2 pieces it gets lesser and lesser. Just because it exists here and there does not mean it should happen everywhere, too, don't you think?
I understand people want to game with like minded players. I am all for it. Just be aware of the other 1000s of players around you and what their reactions might be.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
Why on earth would this be about sex? LGBT could just as easily be explained in terms of who you love. Kids certainly don't need to be protected from this, there's nothing "mature" about it.
Your part about people labeling themselves is so on target. I am a human being. That is all anyone else needs to know about me.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
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Answered in a latter post
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
I thought the whole point is that people come from all walks of life to come together for a common cause. Even in this virtual domain we still think we need to hide away in small groups.
I can understand trying to find people with a similar mindset, it's like asking for mature players and not accepting people under 22. It's a choice the leaders must make when they create the guild. I can see a lot of ignorant people who might not be as open minded about the true face humanity.
To me it's the same as if regular guilds discriminated against based on beliefs or race or a more reasonable and realistic reason is language. You want to get like minded people together and minimize the chances of picking up an asshole.
In the end we have to ask the question, is excluding or including people for the good of the guild or just discrimination? A guild has many opinions and that's what makes them so special. What allows us to overcome great difficulties is combining different ideas from different people with all kinds of experiences to make something we'd never dreamed possible.
Just think about it. Nobody creates a guild with the intention to make lifelong friends. Nobody can foresee what members we recruit in the future or how they will affect us. We build the relationships in our guilds and what we do with those relationships is our responsibility.
Play for fun. Play to win. Play for perfection. Play with friends. Play in another world. Why do you play?
That was the main argument against the idea.