Originally posted by MrBoots I have a current subscription to the game. I know exactly how empty the game world is. Please explain how am I out of touch.
I have an active subscription too, EU is dead, NA on the same track.
I have an active subscription too. EU has always been dead. NA subs have dipped by the charts we have, but not in any significant way.
Anyone who thinks there are 2k players across bother servers total is delusional.
Not really, EU was pretty healthy at launch, the server died this summer, when you know, they were supposed to release the missing 60% of the game, failing miserably.
Originally posted by TribeofOne just another example of how MMO pvpers can not be satisfied. they chew on each other for a few months then the most chewed upon start leaving then those who are left start looking for ANYTHING to blame for the games decline and failure to justifiy why they dont stick with another pvpcentric game they claimed to have wanted/needed.
SSDD
Popycock. This game was just not very good,it has nothing to do with the crowd it was aimed at. It is a testament to that community that a mediocre product that didn't offer any sort of trial and that required a sub has lasted as long as it has. They should have moved to a Ryzom style pay system and it probably would save the game but they are just stubborn.
I think the game is great. I think AV is horrible at communication and timetables. And they really need to work on some non combat sandbox elements. As someone who doesn't really care much about PvP, I'm having fun crafting and PvEing without a linear quest hub requirement. There isn't anything else out there like it. The world is unrivaled in this genre.
I think this game is being marketed to the wrong crowd, to an extent. I thought this was going to be a big PvP arena. But I've found more potential in the game for crafting/gathering/PvE. It's a great combat system which my need to up the tactics and survivability a bit (even though they just did that, it wasn't enough). I get hit for 50 - 90 often and have 300 hps. If PvE'rs and crafters can get over the full loot aspect they may find a game they would really enjoy. Old School gamers may like that things take longer and there is a good but not ungodly grind.
The game really needs a free trial. I do hope AV turns this game over to another developer. So much potential.
I think the game is great. I think AV is horrible at communication and timetables. And they really need to work on some non combat sandbox elements. As someone who doesn't really care much about PvP, I'm having fun crafting and PvEing without a linear quest hub requirement. There isn't anything else out there like it. The world is unrivaled in this genre.
I think this game is being marketed to the wrong crowd, to an extent. I thought this was going to be a big PvP arena. But I've found more potential in the game for crafting/gathering/PvE.
This is the most accurate post I've seen all thread. Yes I wish AV would beef up the PvE. It's not the focus of the game but its way more fun than PvE in most games where it IS the focus. It has some of the best dungeons in the genre. I'm sad they removed quests, but we might see them put back in in the future. (real quests, not WoW quest grinds).
Claus explicitly said that they "owe money all over town" and some developers aren't getting paid on time... but the game itself and the servers are paid for.
This is very much in line with any small business. If you own your own construction business, for example, you sometimes get stretched thin and employees have to wait for their check.
This rumor mongering is absurd, and I wish the mods here would do their job.
In fact, what I prefer to do is make up lies about what other people post, then say that I have 4 other people who agree with what I am saying.
Then, when I am asked to provide the details of what those 4 other people have actually said, I dodge all future questions on the subject.
In short, I am a Darkfall fanboy.
Perhaps I am even Tasos himself.
Really?
And if you "owe money all over town" it means you are insolvent, or approaching insolvency. If a creditor goes along to court and asks for Aventurine to be wound up due to those unpaid debts, the court won't be impressed with the answer: "Oh it's OK because our servers are all paid for, and so is the game."
Claus also said that some employees had not been for months.
Rumour-mongering is when people make lies up about things.
Telling the truth when it comes straight from the horse's mouth (or in this case a drunk and high developer's mouth) is not rumour-mongering.
In fact, what I prefer to do is make up lies about what other people post, then say that I have 4 other people who agree with what I am saying.
Then, when I am asked to provide the details of what those 4 other people have actually said, I dodge all future questions on the subject.
In short, I am a Darkfall fanboy.
Perhaps I am even Tasos himself.
Rumour-mongering is when people make lies up about things.
Telling the truth when it comes straight from the horse's mouth (or in this case a drunk and high developer's mouth) is not rumour-mongering.
Which is what 95% of this thread is.
It's kind of hilarious... when a dev says "We owe money" you say LOOK! THE DEVELOPER PROVES THAT DARKFALL SUCKS AND OWES MONEY!
and when that same developer, in that same sentence says "We have 20k subscribers" the SAME EXACT PEOPLE start saying "Well, he probably MEANT to say 2k subs, he was drunk afterall." Or "Aw he's just spinning things to sound positive, they don't have that many!".
Originally posted by MrBoots I wonder how they continue to operate without a real office. Has anyone noticed that it has been 10 days since the last ban?
I hear they accidentally banned their own admin accounts in a drunken rage.
In fact, what I prefer to do is make up lies about what other people post, then say that I have 4 other people who agree with what I am saying.
Then, when I am asked to provide the details of what those 4 other people have actually said, I dodge all future questions on the subject.
In short, I am a Darkfall fanboy.
Perhaps I am even Tasos himself.
Rumour-mongering is when people make lies up about things.
Telling the truth when it comes straight from the horse's mouth (or in this case a drunk and high developer's mouth) is not rumour-mongering.
Which is what 95% of this thread is.
It's kind of hilarious... when a dev says "We owe money" you say LOOK! THE DEVELOPER PROVES THAT DARKFALL SUCKS AND OWES MONEY!
and when that same developer, in that same sentence says "We have 20k subscribers" the SAME EXACT PEOPLE start saying "Well, he probably MEANT to say 2k subs, he was drunk afterall." Or "Aw he's just spinning things to sound positive, they don't have that many!".
And by hilarious I mean pathetic.
So you dodged again.
Oh, and by the way - I've never once said that Darkfall sucks because AV owes money.
But don't let that truth stand in the way of your little story.
Don't know you but I don't blindly believe anyone, to be fair I don't believe anything AV say, said or will ever say in the future; hope that clears it for you.
Originally posted by alf2ooo What I find hilarious is you believing DFUW has 20k subscription, and by hilarious I mean pathetic.
By that logic, Darkfall doesn't have any debts.
Everyone is being fully paid.
You can't selectively believe something and expect to be taken seriously in a debate.
That's exactly the point I was trying to make, thank you for your collaboration.
So we agree then, that
If
Aventurine is in debt
Then
Darkfall has 20k subscribers?
Even if (which I don't accept) Darkfall UW has 20k current subscribers, Claus made it clear that they need another 15,000 people to buy the game in order for them to clear their debts and continue.
In other words, they need a 75% increase in the number of people who have bought the game.
On the current position of:
a) a game very few people (compared to launch) are playing;
b) a developer who is not communicating at all with its playerbase in any meaningful way,
I do not see Aventurine making it out of this slough of despond that they have slept into.
Originally posted by alf2ooo What I find hilarious is you believing DFUW has 20k subscription, and by hilarious I mean pathetic.
By that logic, Darkfall doesn't have any debts.
Everyone is being fully paid.
You can't selectively believe something and expect to be taken seriously in a debate.
That's exactly the point I was trying to make, thank you for your collaboration.
So we agree then, that
If
Aventurine is in debt
Then
Darkfall has 20k subscribers?
Even if (which I don't accept) Darkfall UW has 20k current subscribers, Claus made it clear that they need another 15,000 people to buy the game in order for them to clear their debts and continue.
In other words, they need a 75% increase in the number of people who have bought the game.
Have to stop to make a few corrections.
First, if you don't believe they have 20k then you can't believe they have debts, that's how logic works.
Second, the 15k is not needed to continue, everything Claus said, and what he's said on his own blog is that things will slow down and scale back without 15k more subs, but that he doesn't see why it would shut down.
Third, that's not 75% increase in number of people who bought the game, that's a 75% increase of those who are currently SUBSCRIBED to the game. There's well over 15k people who bought the game and aren't currently subscribed. He wasn't talking game sales, he was talking subscriptions.
Even if (which I don't accept) Darkfall UW has 20k current subscribers, Claus made it clear that they need another 15,000 people to buy the game in order for them to clear their debts and continue.
In other words, they need a 75% increase in the number of people who have bought the game.
Have to stop to make a few corrections.
First, if you don't believe they have 20k then you can't believe they have debts, that's how logic works.
Second, the 15k is not needed to continue, everything Claus said, and what he's said on his own blog is that things will slow down and scale back without 15k more subs, but that he doesn't see why it would shut down.
Third, that's not 75% increase in number of people who bought the game, that's a 75% increase of those who are currently SUBSCRIBED to the game. There's well over 15k people who bought the game and aren't currently subscribed. He wasn't talking game sales, he was talking subscriptions.
First: You have some very odd view of logic.
If I don't believe that they have 20k subscribers, then I am more likely to believe that they have debts. That's how the world works: "I don't have money but I am running servers, I owe rent, utilities and other bills. I will therefore have debts."
Second: Your link is a link to Claus's site. It is nothing more than that and the link does not support anything you have said in this section. Claus confirmed that they have debts "all over town", they cannot pay all of their employees and they need 15,000 more players just to keep the company running. Nowhere have you yet been able to provide me with a link despite:
a) you having said that you had seen posts from at least 4 other people which contradict what I say;
b) my having asked you now on a number of occasions to provide hard evidence that contradicts what I have said.
Third: It is indeed a 75% increase in the number of people who bought the game that Claus said they needed (he quoted 20,000 players and said they needed another 15,000 to buy the game. Indeed he exhorted us on a number of occasions to go out and convince our friends and family to buy the game). On no sensible basis is it possible to believe that DFUW has 20k current subscribers.
Finally, no manner of pointless links or unsubstantiated responses from you will change the hard facts that:
a) Aventurine is currently in serious financial difficulty; and
Even if (which I don't accept) Darkfall UW has 20k current subscribers, Claus made it clear that they need another 15,000 people to buy the game in order for them to clear their debts and continue.
In other words, they need a 75% increase in the number of people who have bought the game.
Have to stop to make a few corrections.
First, if you don't believe they have 20k then you can't believe they have debts, that's how logic works.
Second, the 15k is not needed to continue, everything Claus said, and what he's said on his own blog is that things will slow down and scale back without 15k more subs, but that he doesn't see why it would shut down.
Third, that's not 75% increase in number of people who bought the game, that's a 75% increase of those who are currently SUBSCRIBED to the game. There's well over 15k people who bought the game and aren't currently subscribed. He wasn't talking game sales, he was talking subscriptions.
First: You have some very odd view of logic.
If I don't believe that they have 20k subscribers, then I am more likely to believe that they have debts.
Except that the only reason you have to believe that they have debts is because one man said it. The same man who said that they have 20k subs. So you can believe both, you can believe neither, but you CAN'T believe just one.
It's funny that you say it is fact that the game is in financial trouble, and that the game is dead in the west... yet the only singular reference you have is to one drunk developer, who also said that they have 20k subscribers. You believe that the game is in financial trouble because of what Claus said, but you don't believe the game has 20k subscribers based on what Claus said.
Your logic is completely and totally and utterly broken.
It was always confirmed that DF1 never went below 20k subs. Hell, it had over 25k subs at all time and probably around 30k since it's impossible to have a clear number of the none clanned players. The numbers were always active on darkfall political map US+EU and someone made a thread about the numbers and he kept updating it.
This just prove how sustaining DF1 was compared to DF UW. It proves that more ppl liked DF1 and that's why we keep asking for a DF1 server coz UW is nothing like it.
It only went down below that point when AV made the biggest mistake of announcing a server wipe 1 year before the final day of DF1. They promised it DF 2010; it was supposed to be like DF1, but with more armor sets, better dungeons. More skills for melee and archers, but no mention of classes; a cap is all i wanted anyway.
Even if (which I don't accept) Darkfall UW has 20k current subscribers, Claus made it clear that they need another 15,000 people to buy the game in order for them to clear their debts and continue.
In other words, they need a 75% increase in the number of people who have bought the game.
Have to stop to make a few corrections.
First, if you don't believe they have 20k then you can't believe they have debts, that's how logic works.
Second, the 15k is not needed to continue, everything Claus said, and what he's said on his own blog is that things will slow down and scale back without 15k more subs, but that he doesn't see why it would shut down.
Third, that's not 75% increase in number of people who bought the game, that's a 75% increase of those who are currently SUBSCRIBED to the game. There's well over 15k people who bought the game and aren't currently subscribed. He wasn't talking game sales, he was talking subscriptions.
First: You have some very odd view of logic.
If I don't believe that they have 20k subscribers, then I am more likely to believe that they have debts.
Except that the only reason you have to believe that they have debts is because one man said it. The same man who said that they have 20k subs. So you can believe both, you can believe neither, but you CAN'T believe just one.
It's funny that you say it is fact that the game is in financial trouble, and that the game is dead in the west... yet the only singular reference you have is to one drunk developer, who also said that they have 20k subscribers. You believe that the game is in financial trouble because of what Claus said, but you don't believe the game has 20k subscribers based on what Claus said.
Your logic is completely and totally and utterly broken.
It's not unusall that a drunk person goes from saying the truth, to tangle himself in lies the minute after. It's a thin line between truth and lies. Especially when it comes to AV and anything AV related. So you can easily believe something he said, while laugh at something as ridiculous as DFUW having 20k subs atm. The forum can't even get 200 peeps to visit it. Even MO that every1 knows has around 2k subs has more peeps on their forum. So DFUW should be lucky to even have 2k subs atm. Agon on both NA and EU is dead. RIP.
It was always confirmed that DF1 never went below 20k subs. Hell, it had over 25k subs at all time and probably around 30k since it's impossible to have a clear number of the none clanned players. The numbers were always active on darkfall political map US+EU and someone made a thread about the numbers and he kept updating it.
This just prove how sustaining DF1 was compared to DF UW. It proves that more ppl liked DF1 and that's why we keep asking for a DF1 server coz UW is nothing like it.
Really? I know you, you were on the forums, as an over the top fanboy. Every single day from the 5 month mark until the day it closed, there were threads just like this saying "the population can't get any lower!' "the game is dead!'.
Care to show these "proven" Darkfall 1 numbers? Because I see people in UW far more often than I saw them in DF1.
Sensible people take almost no stock in the "THE GAME IS DEAD" threads because if any of them were accurate, DF1 would have shut down in 2009. But no, they're just sensationalized bullshit from people who are upset for one reason or another.
What I personally have to go on is: I see more people in UW wars than I did in DF1. A dev from the game who was being brutally honest said the game had 20k. From the threads back in DF1's time, I never remember the number of clanned players getting anywhere close to 20k.
I'd say it's not a stretch to argue that UW has more subs than DF1. But people like RBD who hate UW and love DF1 would do everything they can to hide from that. Anything that doesn't praise DF1's holy name and decry UW's is clearly a fanboy thread full of lies.
(as an aside, what I honestly don't understand is what people loved so devoutly about DF1. I played DF from beta to close and I saw improvements almost across the whole board in UW. My only guess is that it was a love for what DF1 COULD have been if directions hadn't changed, not for the broken mess of a game that was the reality of DF1.)
Even if (which I don't accept) Darkfall UW has 20k current subscribers, Claus made it clear that they need another 15,000 people to buy the game in order for them to clear their debts and continue.
In other words, they need a 75% increase in the number of people who have bought the game.
Have to stop to make a few corrections.
First, if you don't believe they have 20k then you can't believe they have debts, that's how logic works.
Second, the 15k is not needed to continue, everything Claus said, and what he's said on his own blog is that things will slow down and scale back without 15k more subs, but that he doesn't see why it would shut down.
Third, that's not 75% increase in number of people who bought the game, that's a 75% increase of those who are currently SUBSCRIBED to the game. There's well over 15k people who bought the game and aren't currently subscribed. He wasn't talking game sales, he was talking subscriptions.
First: You have some very odd view of logic.
If I don't believe that they have 20k subscribers, then I am more likely to believe that they have debts.
Except that the only reason you have to believe that they have debts is because one man said it. The same man who said that they have 20k subs. So you can believe both, you can believe neither, but you CAN'T believe just one.
It's funny that you say it is fact that the game is in financial trouble, and that the game is dead in the west... yet the only singular reference you have is to one drunk developer, who also said that they have 20k subscribers. You believe that the game is in financial trouble because of what Claus said, but you don't believe the game has 20k subscribers based on what Claus said.
Your logic is completely and totally and utterly broken.
It's not unusall that a drunk person goes from saying the truth, to tangle himself in lies the minute after.
That is the flimsiest most bullshit line of reasoning I've seen all day to defend this delusion. Just admit you're being selective about what you believe because you'd like more to hear the game is doing badly than succeeding. Why would you want the game that replaced a game you loved to do well? Just don't make yourself look foolish by pretending to believe your own BS.
Whatever, hate UW all you guys want, I'm still having a blast in it.
There are so many reasons why Darkfall has failed as a game in the West.
However, the main reason is:
Aventurine.
Their continued failure to:
communicate;
make the game interesting beyond the initial prowess gain;
communicate;
make the game interesting for anyone other than the most mindless, hardcore arena player;
communicate;
keep to any of the timetables they have set for themselves; and
did I mention communicate?,
has brought the Western playerbase to its knees.
Given that we know (from the drunken ravings of one of the core developer team) that Aventurine:
is also now facing insolvency,
has stopped paying all of its employees; and
needs another 15,000 (this figure could be wrong) people to buy the game in the West for them to be able to keep on running as a company,
the writing is very much on the wall for both the Western version of Darkfall and the company itself.
I agree completely. Two other things that completely turned me off from the game was the introduction of the class system and the new mob loot tables. I miss soo badly going out with a group to farm a specific set of mobs to gain the items or materials we needed aswell as knowing which spawns attracted others, mobs worth fighting over and farming. RIP Darkfall.
Except that the only reason you have to believe that they have debts is because one man said it. The same man who said that they have 20k subs. So you can believe both, you can believe neither, but you CAN'T believe just one.
It's funny that you say it is fact that the game is in financial trouble, and that the game is dead in the west... yet the only singular reference you have is to one drunk developer, who also said that they have 20k subscribers. You believe that the game is in financial trouble because of what Claus said, but you don't believe the game has 20k subscribers based on what Claus said.
Your logic is completely and totally and utterly broken.
Your difficulty is that you did not listen to the interview.
I did.
I know that Claus said AV:
a) had "debts all over town",
b) could not pay all of their employees, and
c) needed another 15,000 to get the game (in addition to the 20,000 who had already bought it) in order for the company just to keep going.
I appreciate that you don't want to hear these truths about Aventurine, but very sadly these are the cold truths as stated by Claus.
I should add that you continue to avoid posting the links to those 4 people you said each contradicted the points I made in my OP.
This despite my asking you to post those links.
Dodge more.
PS
As a helpful hint, perhaps stop trying to tell everyone that DFUW still has 20,000 current subscribers. Anyone who is playing the game knows that this is not true. To say that there are perhaps 2000 people occasionally logging in would be pushing the bounds of credibility, but to then make the leap and try to convince us that there are therefore 18,000 people happily currently paying money to AV but not logging into the game is just a little silly and undermines any credibility your arguments might otherwise have.
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Not really, EU was pretty healthy at launch, the server died this summer, when you know, they were supposed to release the missing 60% of the game, failing miserably.
Popycock. This game was just not very good,it has nothing to do with the crowd it was aimed at. It is a testament to that community that a mediocre product that didn't offer any sort of trial and that required a sub has lasted as long as it has. They should have moved to a Ryzom style pay system and it probably would save the game but they are just stubborn.
I think the game is great. I think AV is horrible at communication and timetables. And they really need to work on some non combat sandbox elements. As someone who doesn't really care much about PvP, I'm having fun crafting and PvEing without a linear quest hub requirement. There isn't anything else out there like it. The world is unrivaled in this genre.
I think this game is being marketed to the wrong crowd, to an extent. I thought this was going to be a big PvP arena. But I've found more potential in the game for crafting/gathering/PvE. It's a great combat system which my need to up the tactics and survivability a bit (even though they just did that, it wasn't enough). I get hit for 50 - 90 often and have 300 hps. If PvE'rs and crafters can get over the full loot aspect they may find a game they would really enjoy. Old School gamers may like that things take longer and there is a good but not ungodly grind.
The game really needs a free trial. I do hope AV turns this game over to another developer. So much potential.
This is the most accurate post I've seen all thread. Yes I wish AV would beef up the PvE. It's not the focus of the game but its way more fun than PvE in most games where it IS the focus. It has some of the best dungeons in the genre. I'm sad they removed quests, but we might see them put back in in the future. (real quests, not WoW quest grinds).
This is very much in line with any small business.
If you own your own construction business, for example, you sometimes get stretched thin and employees have to wait for their check.
This rumor mongering is absurd, and I wish the mods here would do their job.
Really?
And if you "owe money all over town" it means you are insolvent, or approaching insolvency. If a creditor goes along to court and asks for Aventurine to be wound up due to those unpaid debts, the court won't be impressed with the answer: "Oh it's OK because our servers are all paid for, and so is the game."
Claus also said that some employees had not been for months.
Rumour-mongering is when people make lies up about things.
Telling the truth when it comes straight from the horse's mouth (or in this case a drunk and high developer's mouth) is not rumour-mongering.
www.luxarcana.org
Which is what 95% of this thread is.
It's kind of hilarious... when a dev says "We owe money" you say LOOK! THE DEVELOPER PROVES THAT DARKFALL SUCKS AND OWES MONEY!
and when that same developer, in that same sentence says "We have 20k subscribers" the SAME EXACT PEOPLE start saying "Well, he probably MEANT to say 2k subs, he was drunk afterall." Or "Aw he's just spinning things to sound positive, they don't have that many!".
And by hilarious I mean pathetic.
I hear they accidentally banned their own admin accounts in a drunken rage.
You make me like charity
So you dodged again.
Oh, and by the way - I've never once said that Darkfall sucks because AV owes money.
But don't let that truth stand in the way of your little story.
www.luxarcana.org
By that logic, Darkfall doesn't have any debts.
Everyone is being fully paid.
You can't selectively believe something and expect to be taken seriously in a debate.
Nah.
You're just trying to hide your lies.
www.luxarcana.org
That's exactly the point I was trying to make, thank you for your collaboration.
So we agree then, that
If
Aventurine is in debt
Then
Darkfall has 20k subscribers?
Even if (which I don't accept) Darkfall UW has 20k current subscribers, Claus made it clear that they need another 15,000 people to buy the game in order for them to clear their debts and continue.
In other words, they need a 75% increase in the number of people who have bought the game.
On the current position of:
a) a game very few people (compared to launch) are playing;
b) a developer who is not communicating at all with its playerbase in any meaningful way,
I do not see Aventurine making it out of this slough of despond that they have slept into.
www.luxarcana.org
Have to stop to make a few corrections.
First, if you don't believe they have 20k then you can't believe they have debts, that's how logic works.
Second, the 15k is not needed to continue, everything Claus said, and what he's said on his own blog is that things will slow down and scale back without 15k more subs, but that he doesn't see why it would shut down.
Third, that's not 75% increase in number of people who bought the game, that's a 75% increase of those who are currently SUBSCRIBED to the game. There's well over 15k people who bought the game and aren't currently subscribed. He wasn't talking game sales, he was talking subscriptions.
First: You have some very odd view of logic.
If I don't believe that they have 20k subscribers, then I am more likely to believe that they have debts. That's how the world works: "I don't have money but I am running servers, I owe rent, utilities and other bills. I will therefore have debts."
Second: Your link is a link to Claus's site. It is nothing more than that and the link does not support anything you have said in this section. Claus confirmed that they have debts "all over town", they cannot pay all of their employees and they need 15,000 more players just to keep the company running. Nowhere have you yet been able to provide me with a link despite:
a) you having said that you had seen posts from at least 4 other people which contradict what I say;
b) my having asked you now on a number of occasions to provide hard evidence that contradicts what I have said.
Third: It is indeed a 75% increase in the number of people who bought the game that Claus said they needed (he quoted 20,000 players and said they needed another 15,000 to buy the game. Indeed he exhorted us on a number of occasions to go out and convince our friends and family to buy the game). On no sensible basis is it possible to believe that DFUW has 20k current subscribers.
Finally, no manner of pointless links or unsubstantiated responses from you will change the hard facts that:
a) Aventurine is currently in serious financial difficulty; and
b) DFUW in the West is flat-lining.
www.luxarcana.org
Except that the only reason you have to believe that they have debts is because one man said it. The same man who said that they have 20k subs. So you can believe both, you can believe neither, but you CAN'T believe just one.
It's funny that you say it is fact that the game is in financial trouble, and that the game is dead in the west... yet the only singular reference you have is to one drunk developer, who also said that they have 20k subscribers. You believe that the game is in financial trouble because of what Claus said, but you don't believe the game has 20k subscribers based on what Claus said.
Your logic is completely and totally and utterly broken.
It was always confirmed that DF1 never went below 20k subs. Hell, it had over 25k subs at all time and probably around 30k since it's impossible to have a clear number of the none clanned players. The numbers were always active on darkfall political map US+EU and someone made a thread about the numbers and he kept updating it.
This just prove how sustaining DF1 was compared to DF UW. It proves that more ppl liked DF1 and that's why we keep asking for a DF1 server coz UW is nothing like it.
It only went down below that point when AV made the biggest mistake of announcing a server wipe 1 year before the final day of DF1. They promised it DF 2010; it was supposed to be like DF1, but with more armor sets, better dungeons. More skills for melee and archers, but no mention of classes; a cap is all i wanted anyway.
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It's not unusall that a drunk person goes from saying the truth, to tangle himself in lies the minute after. It's a thin line between truth and lies. Especially when it comes to AV and anything AV related. So you can easily believe something he said, while laugh at something as ridiculous as DFUW having 20k subs atm. The forum can't even get 200 peeps to visit it. Even MO that every1 knows has around 2k subs has more peeps on their forum. So DFUW should be lucky to even have 2k subs atm. Agon on both NA and EU is dead. RIP.
Really? I know you, you were on the forums, as an over the top fanboy. Every single day from the 5 month mark until the day it closed, there were threads just like this saying "the population can't get any lower!' "the game is dead!'.
Care to show these "proven" Darkfall 1 numbers? Because I see people in UW far more often than I saw them in DF1.
Sensible people take almost no stock in the "THE GAME IS DEAD" threads because if any of them were accurate, DF1 would have shut down in 2009. But no, they're just sensationalized bullshit from people who are upset for one reason or another.
What I personally have to go on is: I see more people in UW wars than I did in DF1. A dev from the game who was being brutally honest said the game had 20k. From the threads back in DF1's time, I never remember the number of clanned players getting anywhere close to 20k.
I'd say it's not a stretch to argue that UW has more subs than DF1. But people like RBD who hate UW and love DF1 would do everything they can to hide from that. Anything that doesn't praise DF1's holy name and decry UW's is clearly a fanboy thread full of lies.
(as an aside, what I honestly don't understand is what people loved so devoutly about DF1. I played DF from beta to close and I saw improvements almost across the whole board in UW. My only guess is that it was a love for what DF1 COULD have been if directions hadn't changed, not for the broken mess of a game that was the reality of DF1.)
That is the flimsiest most bullshit line of reasoning I've seen all day to defend this delusion. Just admit you're being selective about what you believe because you'd like more to hear the game is doing badly than succeeding. Why would you want the game that replaced a game you loved to do well? Just don't make yourself look foolish by pretending to believe your own BS.
Whatever, hate UW all you guys want, I'm still having a blast in it.
I agree completely. Two other things that completely turned me off from the game was the introduction of the class system and the new mob loot tables. I miss soo badly going out with a group to farm a specific set of mobs to gain the items or materials we needed aswell as knowing which spawns attracted others, mobs worth fighting over and farming. RIP Darkfall.
Your difficulty is that you did not listen to the interview.
I did.
I know that Claus said AV:
a) had "debts all over town",
b) could not pay all of their employees, and
c) needed another 15,000 to get the game (in addition to the 20,000 who had already bought it) in order for the company just to keep going.
I appreciate that you don't want to hear these truths about Aventurine, but very sadly these are the cold truths as stated by Claus.
I should add that you continue to avoid posting the links to those 4 people you said each contradicted the points I made in my OP.
This despite my asking you to post those links.
Dodge more.
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As a helpful hint, perhaps stop trying to tell everyone that DFUW still has 20,000 current subscribers. Anyone who is playing the game knows that this is not true. To say that there are perhaps 2000 people occasionally logging in would be pushing the bounds of credibility, but to then make the leap and try to convince us that there are therefore 18,000 people happily currently paying money to AV but not logging into the game is just a little silly and undermines any credibility your arguments might otherwise have.
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