Damn, we are taking potshots at consoles and I missed out on it!
Keep calm and carry on posting guys.
Ehem...
Constantine, The Console Poster
"One of the most difficult tasks men can perform, however much others may despise it, is the invention of good games and it cannot be done by men out of touch with their instinctive selves." - Carl Jung
Damn, we are taking potshots at consoles and I missed out on it!
Keep calm and carry on posting guys.
Don't worry, @Scot. I'm sure there will be another opportunity to take potshots at consoles later on. Maybe even this afternoon, but certainly by the weekend.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
Yea... give me Asheron's Call but with modern graphics and before the Master at Arms change.
The 2 games that really felt like MMORPGs to me were EQ and Anarchy Online......Both had fun worlds to explore and were not super quest and story loaded. THey both had excellent communitieswith friendly, helpful players.
A DAoC type game with 3 realms with classes unique to each realm that has great PvP/RvR, each effecting the other in small but meaningful ways... in VR.
Here's the simple fact. MMOs on a flat monitor are played out over the last 20+ years. Developers aren't into making games that are great and innovated. It's 100% about money. What better way to make money than giving millions of people begging for a huge world to explore, a place they can actually explore in full VR?
You want to talk about making an easy million + copies sold almost instantly?... make a quality VR MMORPG.
I'm going to say a non-fantasy setting. It's been overdone. I never understood the appeal of gaming in a place without indoor plumbing and based on a dark era in human history where you could be executed for "offending" the local god.
A game where we're not chasing the latest equipment at endgame.
A game where the advancement mechanics makes it easy to raise the level cap of the game (if it even uses levels).
This argument is absurd. The setting is called fantasy. F-A-N-T-A-S-Y. Not grim reality. It isn't the dark ages, nor even the more interesting renaissance. It uses these settings as an aesthetic, and then improves upon them through idealization and usually literal magic. It isn't about the living conditions or the social order, but rather the grandiose and oft-romanticized visuals.
Those of us who like it like it because we think it looks cool. We like swords and spears, armor and flowing banners.
It's okay to personally not like the setting, but don't devalue it through the lens of a reality it so clearly and literally isn't.
I'm going to say a non-fantasy setting. It's been overdone. I never understood the appeal of gaming in a place without indoor plumbing and based on a dark era in human history where you could be executed for "offending" the local god.
A game where we're not chasing the latest equipment at endgame.
A game where the advancement mechanics makes it easy to raise the level cap of the game (if it even uses levels).
This argument is absurd. The setting is called fantasy. F-A-N-T-A-S-Y. Not grim reality. It isn't the dark ages, nor even the more interesting renaissance. It uses these settings as an aesthetic, and then improves upon them through idealization and usually literal magic. It isn't about the living conditions or the social order, but rather the grandiose and oft-romanticized visuals.
Those of us who like it like it because we think it looks cool. We like swords and spears, armor and flowing banners.
It's okay to personally not like the setting, but don't devalue it through the lens of a reality it so clearly and literally isn't.
I am a fan of fantasy MMOs but that setting is overdone, science fiction rarely gets a look in. In gaming generally it is more even but fantasy still wins out, anything which restricts gaming lore and background makes the genre somewhat banal.
I would like to see a great MMO. I'll worry about the details after I see one in the works. Although I am having fun in New World atm, I wouldn't consider is 'GREAT'
Maybe in 20 years when VR is 1) affordable and 2) no longer fuckawful crap.
Oculus Rift is only $299, on Amazon.. a little less then what I paid for my last Graphic's card, to be able to play Crowfall.
Which is still expensive for what is effectively a peripheral that plays glorified tech demos.
People not only wait in line, but are willing to drop well over a grand for a new console, which is little more than a Glorified Graphic Card in a Box, not even going to go into what people shell out for a top end Gaming Rig.
As such, a full VR headset and body Tracker system, is very affordable, for the people that are willing to put their money into their hobby.
For the people that are playing on a 10 year old toaster, and using a fish bowl as a monitor.. maybe not so much.
Consoles do not cost over a grand at MSRP. Also, they have over 10 times the games at typically far greater quality than what is offered on any VR platform. Not to mention that PC with the high end graphics card offers many times more. Please be less disingenuous.
Numbers of Games, is irrelevant, as it Only takes 1 good MMO, to be the only game you have time to play..
Those two factors are intrinsically linked. People do not buy platforms without a solid number and quality of games. Large, ambitious MMOs do not launch on platforms without the potential for large player numbers. This is a basic concept.
Oh spare me the prancing around like a butthurt pony whining about cost, and other bullshit.
Harsh reality, regardless if you like this or not, VR is as affordable as consoles, has hundreds of games available to them, I might, one of the cooler VR games I saw, was a way to play D&D as if you were playing at a table top with your friends, quite the innovative tech all things said and done, but, no matter how much you my cry about this, VR is becoming more and more mainstream.
The only thing actually holding VR MMO's back right now is being able to moving about, but they have been working on that, and some of the solutions are very cool, if I am going to be honest about it.
But some of the MMO's coming out today are 1st person, or have 1st person options, and no doubt this is to make transitioning over to VR easier, as they know that will be the future of gaming.
Not to mention that social games like Metaverse, is fully VR integrated, VR is the future of Social gaming.
Cry all you want, but that won't change anything.
Anyway, as far as the OP goes, I am looking forward to full VR integration for an MMO, which I think will be a lot of fun, and it will happen, sooner, not later.
One thing I'll add to this , there is one Dev/Pub that has been working on VR for an existing mmo for a couple years now ..
Nice , Blue , I only know of the one for sure , ( i dont doubt at all 2 others, I would guess there are others also) and it would/will be awesome when it finally hopefully gets done , a VR mmo is something I think we all agree on would be amazing ..
Nice , Blue , I only know of the one for sure , ( i dont doubt at all 2 others, I would guess there are others also) and it would/will be awesome when it finally hopefully gets done , a VR mmo is something I think we all agree on would be amazing ..
I played VR in Elite Dangerous, which was amazing; however, had less success with No Man's Sky.
I want a way to play with the headset (for visuals) but still want my hands on a keyboard/mouse. Maybe I'm too old to make the leap to that level.
If your on game pass load up flight simulator and try the VR
I have a 8k head set and sometimes you almost think it’s real.
The comfort of the head set is the big negative that has to be overcome imho.
I will certainly buy and try VR mmo’s. If they end up being the same old shit in a different wrapper I’ll consider the mmorpg industry spent.
I'm going to say a non-fantasy setting. It's been overdone. I never understood the appeal of gaming in a place without indoor plumbing and based on a dark era in human history where you could be executed for "offending" the local god.
A game where we're not chasing the latest equipment at endgame.
A game where the advancement mechanics makes it easy to raise the level cap of the game (if it even uses levels).
This argument is absurd. The setting is called fantasy. F-A-N-T-A-S-Y. Not grim reality. It isn't the dark ages, nor even the more interesting renaissance. It uses these settings as an aesthetic, and then improves upon them through idealization and usually literal magic. It isn't about the living conditions or the social order, but rather the grandiose and oft-romanticized visuals.
Those of us who like it like it because we think it looks cool. We like swords and spears, armor and flowing banners.
It's okay to personally not like the setting, but don't devalue it through the lens of a reality it so clearly and literally isn't.
I am a fan of fantasy MMOs but that setting is overdone, science fiction rarely gets a look in. In gaming generally it is more even but fantasy still wins out, anything which restricts gaming lore and background makes the genre somewhat banal.
Honestly, Steam Punk is so under utilized in MMO settings.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
I'm going to say a non-fantasy setting. It's been overdone. I never understood the appeal of gaming in a place without indoor plumbing and based on a dark era in human history where you could be executed for "offending" the local god.
A game where we're not chasing the latest equipment at endgame.
A game where the advancement mechanics makes it easy to raise the level cap of the game (if it even uses levels).
This argument is absurd. The setting is called fantasy. F-A-N-T-A-S-Y. Not grim reality. It isn't the dark ages, nor even the more interesting renaissance. It uses these settings as an aesthetic, and then improves upon them through idealization and usually literal magic. It isn't about the living conditions or the social order, but rather the grandiose and oft-romanticized visuals.
Those of us who like it like it because we think it looks cool. We like swords and spears, armor and flowing banners.
It's okay to personally not like the setting, but don't devalue it through the lens of a reality it so clearly and literally isn't.
I am a fan of fantasy MMOs but that setting is overdone, science fiction rarely gets a look in. In gaming generally it is more even but fantasy still wins out, anything which restricts gaming lore and background makes the genre somewhat banal.
Honestly, Steam Punk is so under utilized in MMO settings.
Anyway, as far as the OP goes, I am looking forward to full VR integration for an MMO, which I think will be a lot of fun, and it will happen, sooner, not later.
One thing I'll add to this , there is one Dev/Pub that has been working on VR for an existing mmo for a couple years now ..
Thanks for the heads up, I have always believed that MMO's were the ideal playground for VR to be fully utilized, given they are virtual words, and I hope to see what comes out.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
I really hate the overdone 1,500 lb. sword and seizure inducting spell effects of most games these days. I was briefly interested in Pantheon but the dancing mushroom MOBs made me hate life.
The stupid mongo hammers we’re a turnoff for me in NW
Maybe in 20 years when VR is 1) affordable and 2) no longer fuckawful crap.
Oculus Rift is only $299, on Amazon.. a little less then what I paid for my last Graphic's card, to be able to play Crowfall.
Which is still expensive for what is effectively a peripheral that plays glorified tech demos.
You know, if you don't know about something, maybe you shouldn't talk like you do. You clearly don't know anything about VR.
I never understood why some people dislike something they clearly know nothing about, then get on the chat boards and make stuff up.
My current monitor cost me about $600 (30" 4k Ultrawide). I have a $150 keyboard and a $100 mouse to go with that $600 monitor.
My first VR headset (Rift S) costs me $400. After realizing how stupidly awesome VR was, I invested in one of the more expensive VR headsets (Valve Index $1k). That's a complete VR kit with headset and controllers for about the same cost as a good monitor, keyboard and mouse.
Today, a person can get a new headset for $300 that will give them a full VR experience, not a "peripheral that plays glorified tech demos".
How do people still think VR is too expensive and why are people on a gaming board so against the evolution of gaming.
26 million VR headsets were sold in 2020 alone. Claiming it's anything less than the future of gaming is silly.
2. No early access packages, have a real beta like the old days
3. Daoc format with mix of PvE/3-way RvR, but none of this 30 day scoreboard crap, make it a persistent campaign. Make "realm" transfer windows to help with balance, but only allowable from high pop to low pop. Faction/Alliance/Realm pride is crucial to this.
4. 100% separation of PvP/PvE gear/balance
5. One open world PvP server to keep all the griefers/trolls occupied
7. No cash shop, no way for people to buy gold with real money. Everything should be in-game!
8. Crafting that matters all the way through end game, make equipment degradable - slow enough to warrant an investment (unlike Crowfall), fast enough to keep a crafting economy alive
9. Make PvP wars give PvE boosts to realms. Make it in everyone's interest to see their side winning....for example crafters take less mats to craft stuff along with other bonuses, which gives them an incentive to make sure their side is the best equipped to fight out there.
10. FUN. Don't base the game on time gates or grind to keep people subbed.....make it fun to play which will have the same effect.
This guy shows it all. Millions would be happy. Good story driven quests don't hurt either.
Btw: this is pretty much all, what New World is not... quite interesting.
interactivity is including fighting or brawling where you can actually get hit.
have races and languages and cultures. items of gear that are different and unique get away from all this white european pirate crap! I personally am looking for some tribal mountain/ nomad gear and instead of european towns how about tents and lodges or long huts. I wish to much more diverse foods and animals! crabs and clams, mustles on the coast, seagulls, hawks, phesants, chickens, beaver, gophers, whales,
ice packs seals, how about having boats, canoes and ships
how about bringing back the 3rd weapon slot but making it wider so you can carry a bag in it for us casual NON-PVP players!!!
a living breathing world where the charactor exists and have lives. for me this means needing water in the desert, heat and cold hunger and morale are tangable not glossed over in some arcade hack and slash.
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make a world, not a game, we dont want another game.
To clarify in advance, I am not posting this as a stab at VR, these dudes seem to have serious fun, even though they look seriously funny as well.
I never understood why some people dislike something they clearly know nothing about, then get on the chat boards and make stuff up. ... That's a complete VR kit with headset and controllers for about the same cost as a good monitor, keyboard and mouse.
... 26 million VR headsets were sold in 2020 alone. Claiming it's anything less than the future of gaming is silly.
Monitor/keyboard/mouse are ubiquitous and are always needed, they are not (at least not yet) replaced completely by a VR set. So I do not think the money comparison offers much. The VR set cost should be reasoned about separately.
Personally for me VR is not the future because I do not want something that completely detaches me from reality. I still want to have visual and audio cues from the real world when gaming or doing anything else online.
I would be sceptical about VR being the future, at least in its current form because, even though it has been a mature technology for some time now, it would have already taken over/be ubiquitous by now.
VR, despite the name, is not fully immersive, you can still hear your mom calling you for dinner.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
To clarify in advance, I am not posting this as a stab at VR, these dudes seem to have serious fun, even though they look seriously funny as well.
I never understood why some people dislike something they clearly know nothing about, then get on the chat boards and make stuff up. ... That's a complete VR kit with headset and controllers for about the same cost as a good monitor, keyboard and mouse.
... 26 million VR headsets were sold in 2020 alone. Claiming it's anything less than the future of gaming is silly.
Monitor/keyboard/mouse are ubiquitous and are always needed, they are not (at least not yet) replaced completely by a VR set. So I do not think the money comparison offers much. The VR set cost should be reasoned about separately.
Personally for me VR is not the future because I do not want something that completely detaches me from reality. I still want to have visual and audio cues from the real world when gaming or doing anything else online.
I would be sceptical about VR being the future, at least in its current form because, even though it has been a mature technology for some time now, it would have already taken over/be ubiquitous by now.
VR, despite the name, is not fully immersive, you can still hear your mom calling you for dinner.
It works extremely well for flying/driving applications imho
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Keep calm and carry on posting guys.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
The 2 games that really felt like MMORPGs to me were EQ and Anarchy Online......Both had fun worlds to explore and were not super quest and story loaded. THey both had excellent communitieswith friendly, helpful players.
Here's the simple fact. MMOs on a flat monitor are played out over the last 20+ years. Developers aren't into making games that are great and innovated. It's 100% about money. What better way to make money than giving millions of people begging for a huge world to explore, a place they can actually explore in full VR?
You want to talk about making an easy million + copies sold almost instantly?... make a quality VR MMORPG.
God I miss Asheron's Call so much lol.
Those of us who like it like it because we think it looks cool. We like swords and spears, armor and flowing banners.
It's okay to personally not like the setting, but don't devalue it through the lens of a reality it so clearly and literally isn't.
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I have a 8k head set and sometimes you almost think it’s real.
The comfort of the head set is the big negative that has to be overcome imho.
I will certainly buy and try VR mmo’s. If they end up being the same old shit in a different wrapper I’ll consider the mmorpg industry spent.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
I was hoping for some good low fantasy there.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
I never understood why some people dislike something they clearly know nothing about, then get on the chat boards and make stuff up.
My current monitor cost me about $600 (30" 4k Ultrawide). I have a $150 keyboard and a $100 mouse to go with that $600 monitor.
My first VR headset (Rift S) costs me $400. After realizing how stupidly awesome VR was, I invested in one of the more expensive VR headsets (Valve Index $1k). That's a complete VR kit with headset and controllers for about the same cost as a good monitor, keyboard and mouse.
Today, a person can get a new headset for $300 that will give them a full VR experience, not a "peripheral that plays glorified tech demos".
How do people still think VR is too expensive and why are people on a gaming board so against the evolution of gaming.
26 million VR headsets were sold in 2020 alone. Claiming it's anything less than the future of gaming is silly.
This guy shows it all. Millions would be happy. Good story driven quests don't hurt either. Btw: this is pretty much all, what New World is not... quite interesting.
have races and languages and cultures. items of gear that are different and unique get away from all this white european pirate crap! I personally am looking for some tribal mountain/ nomad gear and instead of european towns how about tents and lodges or long huts. I wish to much more diverse foods and animals! crabs and clams, mustles on the coast, seagulls, hawks, phesants, chickens, beaver, gophers, whales,
ice packs seals, how about having boats, canoes and ships
how about bringing back the 3rd weapon slot but making it wider so you can carry a bag in it for us casual NON-PVP players!!! a living breathing world where the charactor exists and have lives. for me this means needing water in the desert, heat and cold hunger and morale are tangable not glossed over in some arcade hack and slash.
make a world, not a game, we dont want another game.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee