I don't play FPS games. I don't even own a modern console, nor does my son.
This might just change things in our house.
Regardless whether I ever play it, I'm glad to see CCP try something new (isn't that what everyone is always asking for?) and still be part of the EVE universe. (cause I can't figure out how vampires and werewolves are going to tie in at all)
FFXI had PC and console players, not sure if they were on the same server or not.
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I don't play FPS games. I don't even own a modern console, nor does my son. This might just change things in our house. Regardless whether I ever play it, I'm glad to see CCP try something new (isn't that what everyone is always asking for?) and still be part of the EVE universe. (cause I can't figure out how vampires and werewolves are going to tie in at all) FFXI had PC and console players, not sure if they were on the same server or not. But this name....Dust 514?
FFXI had users on PC, Xbox 360, and PS2 worldwide all on the same servers. Was a very cool dynamic that I wish every MMO had... having to deal with real language barriers, and people on the servers around the clock because primetime is always when it's a worldwide server.
Anyway yeah you should definitely check out consoles. There are some gems of games that are on consoles and you can always use something like Gamefly. My dad picked me up a PS3 salvage for 83$ so I dropped one of my MMO subs and got gamefly and there are some really great games to rent, beat, and exchange. The main reason I got it was for FFXIV on my 101" projection screen MWA HAH HAWA.
Anyway I like what they are doing also, and I can't wait to see what else they have in store for the EVE universe.
Originally posted by Taram Hard to say and I do see your point about the problem with hax/exploits on a fps. They may not tie it directly into the EVE client. But I guarantee the console game will be tied to a central server... From their description the FPS and EVE will at least have significant data stream ties if they're going to impact one another in some way. But I also feel, because of that, that they will eventually bridge the PC/Console gap and have a playable version of the FPS for the PC as well that ties directly to the EVE client. Otherwise they really splinter their market. And I strongly suspect it'll be XBOX 360 given CCP's strong relationship with Microsoft and the fact that they want DUST and EVE to impact one another. That and the XBOX is really the best FPS platform, imo. I don't like the PS3 at all and the Wii, while fun as hell, just isn't in the same league for that type of thing.
If I had to take a bet, I would also say it will be released on Xbox 360. The affiliation with Microsoft is strong from CCP's side.
About the multipltform games, I made quick research and apparently there are truly a few games out there and not all of them with 2D graphics
Still, there are too many issues and limitations with such projects.
From business point of view, I see it as only right decision to move the game into console market. It will be much easier to pierce the market there with better revenue. Development of console games is easier/cheaper.
If they decide and will be able to port the game onto PC is indeed only in crystal ball.
This is going to make eve one of the most popular mmo's. It is not going to change eve that badly you will just fire a bunch of console fps players to do your dirty work. For them its just another contract another mission to wipe out another group of players on a planet. This will cause numbers of ppl playing in eve to triple at least and if its a really solid fps then its going to draw in on cs players at well. If it all works eve will keep growing while other mmo's at the age eve is at decline.
Console only? What the shit! For a second, a brief second, I was excited. I love the Eve universe, and this would be the perfect way to get back into it since traditoinal Eve, while cool, is too slow paced and impersonal for me. Then they dropped the stupid "console" restriction. Great, just great. So right off the bat the game has been limited, and the community may as well have been shot to hell. There is no reason this shouldn't be on the PC. What the hell CCP?
I follow EVE mildly and have tried the demo many times (and have liked it) but have been too overwhelmed to actually jump in with both feet.
Reading info about Dust 514 and how it works...I have to say that this is a brilliant idea. Exactly the type of idea that the mmo industry should be coming up with more often.
I applaud CCP, and I would probably jump in to Dust 514 if it were offered on the PC. I'm more of an action/shooter guy anyway.
Originally posted by Abrahmm I tell you what, If they include this in Eve online I would re-up both of my subs in an instant. That would be awesome. But if it is only for consoles, I won't be playing either.
4players.de has talked to Petursson after the show, asking why there will be no PC-Version. Petursson smiled and stated, that he cannot comment on it right now. The only thing he can say at the moment is that there will be ca console version.
for those who are complaining about the console only thing... with any luck it will be a timed exclusive
With any luck it will be included in EvE online, ZOMG!
Yeah or tied in with Ambulation. I am sure they have big plans. One of the few companies I have faith in for making good games and not being controlled by investors or publishers.
Yeah, tied in with Ambulation. Release date: January 2025.
so will the pc players be dependent on the console players?
No CCP,wouldnt necessarily allow that from a business pov and Public Relations with the player base. However from the gist of small info in that article it looks like both games will feed each other content.
so will the pc players be dependent on the console players?
No CCP,wouldnt necessarily allow that from a business pov and Public Relations with the player base. However from the gist of small info in that article it looks like both games will feed each other content.
The article on Massively talks about revamps to sov for this. Basically what that article says is that yes, PC/Mac/Linux people will be dependent on the console people.
Originally posted by VirDan The article on Massively talks about revamps to sov for this. Basically what that article says is that yes, PC/Mac/Linux people will be dependent on the console people.
You better listen to whole presentation rather than reading somene's assumptions.
Well hate to tell you I told you so. Was a great debate about what CCPs annuncment would be. I Told everyone it was going to be an FPS game. But did enyone listen nooo..... instead they kept on saying it was going to be World of darkness. Lol CCP has allready said they are going to try and make that game. Why do it again??
Originally posted by VirDan The article on Massively talks about revamps to sov for this. Basically what that article says is that yes, PC/Mac/Linux people will be dependent on the console people.
You better listen to whole presentation rather than reading somene's assumptions.
CCP's CEO himself said that in an interview. It's not 'someone's assumptions'.
The article on Massively talks about revamps to sov for this. Basically what that article says is that yes, PC/Mac/Linux people will be dependent on the console people.
You better listen to whole presentation rather than reading somene's assumptions.
Hilmar said, "DUST battlefields will dictate who control specific planets inside the EVE MMO. If a player contracts a DUST mercenary team to go and conquer this district of a planet. Then ultimately he will be able to control the planet, and therefore the solar system, and therefore the constellation, and the region."
He explained more about the interplay between EVE Online and DUST 514. Hilmar said, "You will increasingly have to fight with your fleet [in EVE Online] but you will also have to contract people who play DUST, the console MMO, which then feeds into the sovereignty control system of EVE. Then EVE feeds back into that again by funding the mercenaries, giving them goals." In a nod to Starship Troopers, he said, "The fleet does the flying, the infantry does the dying."
Originally posted by VirDan www.massively.com/2009/08/18/ccp-games-reveals-new-eve-online-console-mmo-dust-514/ The CEO's statements are exaggerated? Curious... Hilmar said, "DUST battlefields will dictate who control specific planets inside the EVE MMO. If a player contracts a DUST mercenary team to go and conquer this district of a planet. Then ultimately he will be able to control the planet, and therefore the solar system, and therefore the constellation, and the region." He explained more about the interplay between EVE Online and DUST 514. Hilmar said, "You will increasingly have to fight with your fleet [in EVE Online] but you will also have to contract people who play DUST, the console MMO, which then feeds into the sovereignty control system of EVE. Then EVE feeds back into that again by funding the mercenaries, giving them goals." In a nod to Starship Troopers, he said, "The fleet does the flying, the infantry does the dying."
All Petrusson said is that in regards to planetary control of EVE Online, which will be talked more sometime next year and currently is not implemented nor it is designed yet, there will be some connection between developed console FPS Dust 514. Dust 514 will share sovereingty map and will be based on EVE Online IP.
Nothing more is in his presentation.
Exaggerated statements are of this kind:
Originally posted by VirDan It is taking away control from the players. Before Dust, you were in "control" of your space. Now to maintain that same "control", you will need to load up with consoles/subs and the rest to maintain what you had before.
Hilmar said, "DUST battlefields will dictate who control specific planets inside the EVE MMO. If a player contracts a DUST mercenary team to go and conquer this district of a planet. Then ultimately he will be able to control the planet, and therefore the solar system, and therefore the constellation, and the region."
He explained more about the interplay between EVE Online and DUST 514. Hilmar said, "You will increasingly have to fight with your fleet [in EVE Online] but you will also have to contract people who play DUST, the console MMO, which then feeds into the sovereignty control system of EVE. Then EVE feeds back into that again by funding the mercenaries, giving them goals." In a nod to Starship Troopers, he said, "The fleet does the flying, the infantry does the dying."
All Petrusson said is that in regards to planetary control of EVE Online, which will be talked more sometime next year and currently is not implemented nor it is designed yet, there will be some connection between developed console FPS Dust 514. Dust 514 will share sovereingty map and will be based on EVE Online IP.
Nothing more is in his presentation.
Exaggerated statements are of this kind:
Originally posted by VirDan
It is taking away control from the players. Before Dust, you were in "control" of your space. Now to maintain that same "control", you will need to load up with consoles/subs and the rest to maintain what you had before.
All Hilmar said was what was quoted. You are not providing any quotes. It is not an exaggerated statement to say that EVE players are losing control when the CEO has stated that they will be dependent on DUST players.
There is no twisting around what he said. His statement was very clear in regards to sov.
The forums take the approach of the EULA stating that gameplay may change at their whim. That is where a lot of the NGE comparisons start to come in. It is also why I left EVE a few months back, deleting everything I had and my characters after four years. They are free to do what they want, and I am free to leave.
But please do not try to blow smoke here. While how it may play out in the future may change, as it stands now - that is what they have said.
Originally posted by VirDan All Hilmar said was what was quoted. You are not providing any quotes. It is not an exaggerated statement to say that EVE players are losing control when the CEO has stated that they will be dependent on DUST players. There is no twisting around what he said. His statement was very clear in regards to sov. The forums take the approach of the EULA stating that gameplay may change at their whim. That is where a lot of the NGE comparisons start to come in. It is also why I left EVE a few months back, deleting everything I had and my characters after four years. They are free to do what they want, and I am free to leave. But please do not try to blow smoke here. While how it may play out in the future may change, as it stands now - that is what they have said.
The quote speeks in general terms about concept of conecting two games with absolutely no specifics about game changes.
It is a concept only, something that has got more than a year of development at best and something that has no shape nor there is anything planned for deeper mechanics yet. Whole part of planetary control is not even on draw board.
There are numerous ways how Dust can affect EVE and the other way round and they are all unknown apart from fact that it will revolve around planetary combat, which is currently not even developed yet.
I extracted the meaning of his words and simplified it for you bacause you are putting a meaning in his words that is not there.
I extracted the meaning of his words and simplified it for you bacause you are putting a meaning in his words that is not there.
Hilmar said, "DUST battlefields will dictate who control specific planets inside the EVE MMO. If a player contracts a DUST mercenary team to go and conquer this district of a planet. Then ultimately he will be able to control the planet, and therefore the solar system, and therefore the constellation, and the region."
He explained more about the interplay between EVE Online and DUST 514. Hilmar said, "You will increasingly have to fight with your fleet [in EVE Online] but you will also have to contract people who play DUST, the console MMO, which then feeds into the sovereignty control system of EVE. Then EVE feeds back into that again by funding the mercenaries, giving them goals." In a nod to Starship Troopers, he said, "The fleet does the flying, the infantry does the dying."
DUST battlefields dictate who controls planets.
Planet control leads to solar system control.
Solar system control leads to constellation control.
Constellation control leads to region control.
To take the region, you will have to take the constellation.
To take the constellation, you will have to take the solar system.
We were fine at this point before.
Now to take the solar system, you have to take the planets.
You need DUST console players to take the planets.
7 Different Dust threads all the same crap. Anyone tired of repeating themselves yet?
To be honest, I prefer the discussion on how DUST will affect EVE to all the "What, no PC?" discussions.
I quit EVE because of the salvaging mini-profession they added. Sure, if you read their early comments on the issue; it sounded like a good idea. It would have provided an opportunity for corps and friends (even mercs) to participate in the completion of a mission while fostering a better community/RP experience for some. That is not the way it turned out though. It turned into ninja looters crying about mission runners being greedy because they thought the system not well thought out in the way it was implemented. Then when they made probing so easy a caveman could do it, it simply became ridiculous.
I do not know if it has changed since then (this was a few months back), but in regards to a wreck:
1) They could not fire on it. They would be flagged and concordokened.
2) They could not tractor it.
The wreck obviously was flagged with ownership on the server, belonging to the person that had created the wreck. Yet CCP GMs continued to state their was no ownership even as their own game stated there was. They juryrigged a means for people to get around this ownership. They would not address the ability to attack or tractor the wreck at the time. If they had simply allowed anybody to fire at or tractor the wreck, then their claims of no ownership would have been fine in that sense.
This was a simple thing in regards to looting and salvaging.
For something as complex as the change in sovereignty we have going here, yeah - I would rather people were discussing that than worrying about whether it will be available for PC as well as for console.... just my 2 isk.
To be honest, I prefer the discussion on how DUST will affect EVE to all the "What, no PC?" discussions.
(Un)fortunately there is nothing to discuss until planetary control is revealed.
You can't really guess anything without one.
I disagree on this point. If you wait until they have finished and then discuss - what purpose does that serve? This is not discussion about a brand new game, but this is about a game that has been around for six years.
I disagree on this point. If you wait until they have finished and then discuss - what purpose does that serve? This is not discussion about a brand new game, but this is about a game that has been around for six years.
I don't recall Dust 514 being around for six year. I even think it was not released yet nor there was a preview or such but I might be wrong, I am not reading massively.com and alike....
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I don't play FPS games. I don't even own a modern console, nor does my son.
This might just change things in our house.
Regardless whether I ever play it, I'm glad to see CCP try something new (isn't that what everyone is always asking for?) and still be part of the EVE universe. (cause I can't figure out how vampires and werewolves are going to tie in at all)
FFXI had PC and console players, not sure if they were on the same server or not.
But this name....Dust 514?
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FFXI had users on PC, Xbox 360, and PS2 worldwide all on the same servers. Was a very cool dynamic that I wish every MMO had... having to deal with real language barriers, and people on the servers around the clock because primetime is always when it's a worldwide server.
Anyway yeah you should definitely check out consoles. There are some gems of games that are on consoles and you can always use something like Gamefly. My dad picked me up a PS3 salvage for 83$ so I dropped one of my MMO subs and got gamefly and there are some really great games to rent, beat, and exchange. The main reason I got it was for FFXIV on my 101" projection screen MWA HAH HAWA.
Anyway I like what they are doing also, and I can't wait to see what else they have in store for the EVE universe.
If I had to take a bet, I would also say it will be released on Xbox 360. The affiliation with Microsoft is strong from CCP's side.
About the multipltform games, I made quick research and apparently there are truly a few games out there and not all of them with 2D graphics
Still, there are too many issues and limitations with such projects.
From business point of view, I see it as only right decision to move the game into console market.
It will be much easier to pierce the market there with better revenue. Development of console games is easier/cheaper.
If they decide and will be able to port the game onto PC is indeed only in crystal ball.
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This is going to make eve one of the most popular mmo's. It is not going to change eve that badly you will just fire a bunch of console fps players to do your dirty work. For them its just another contract another mission to wipe out another group of players on a planet. This will cause numbers of ppl playing in eve to triple at least and if its a really solid fps then its going to draw in on cs players at well. If it all works eve will keep growing while other mmo's at the age eve is at decline.
4 points to CCP for the new idea in gaming.
Console only? What the shit! For a second, a brief second, I was excited. I love the Eve universe, and this would be the perfect way to get back into it since traditoinal Eve, while cool, is too slow paced and impersonal for me. Then they dropped the stupid "console" restriction. Great, just great. So right off the bat the game has been limited, and the community may as well have been shot to hell. There is no reason this shouldn't be on the PC. What the hell CCP?
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I follow EVE mildly and have tried the demo many times (and have liked it) but have been too overwhelmed to actually jump in with both feet.
Reading info about Dust 514 and how it works...I have to say that this is a brilliant idea. Exactly the type of idea that the mmo industry should be coming up with more often.
I applaud CCP, and I would probably jump in to Dust 514 if it were offered on the PC. I'm more of an action/shooter guy anyway.
The same goes for me.
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for those who are complaining about the console only thing... with any luck it will be a timed exclusive
With any luck it will be included in EvE online, ZOMG!
Yeah or tied in with Ambulation. I am sure they have big plans. One of the few companies I have faith in for making good games and not being controlled by investors or publishers.
Yeah, tied in with Ambulation. Release date: January 2025.
so will the pc players be dependent on the console players?
No CCP,wouldnt necessarily allow that from a business pov and Public Relations with the player base. However from the gist of small info in that article it looks like both games will feed each other content.
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No CCP,wouldnt necessarily allow that from a business pov and Public Relations with the player base. However from the gist of small info in that article it looks like both games will feed each other content.
The article on Massively talks about revamps to sov for this. Basically what that article says is that yes, PC/Mac/Linux people will be dependent on the console people.
You better listen to whole presentation rather than reading somene's assumptions.
http://www.golem.de/0908/69136.html
There is no need to discuss sov changes since there is no planetary combat implemented or in state of concept yet.
Statements about dependencies are exaggerated.
Well hate to tell you I told you so. Was a great debate about what CCPs annuncment would be. I Told everyone it was going to be an FPS game. But did enyone listen nooo..... instead they kept on saying it was going to be World of darkness. Lol CCP has allready said they are going to try and make that game. Why do it again??
So now that I was right where is my price!
CCP's CEO himself said that in an interview. It's not 'someone's assumptions'.
You better listen to whole presentation rather than reading somene's assumptions.
http://www.golem.de/0908/69136.html
There is no need to discuss sov changes since there is no planetary combat implemented or in state of concept yet.
Statements about dependencies are exaggerated.
www.massively.com/2009/08/18/ccp-games-reveals-new-eve-online-console-mmo-dust-514/
The CEO's statements are exaggerated? Curious...
Hilmar said, "DUST battlefields will dictate who control specific planets inside the EVE MMO. If a player contracts a DUST mercenary team to go and conquer this district of a planet. Then ultimately he will be able to control the planet, and therefore the solar system, and therefore the constellation, and the region."
He explained more about the interplay between EVE Online and DUST 514. Hilmar said, "You will increasingly have to fight with your fleet [in EVE Online] but you will also have to contract people who play DUST, the console MMO, which then feeds into the sovereignty control system of EVE. Then EVE feeds back into that again by funding the mercenaries, giving them goals." In a nod to Starship Troopers, he said, "The fleet does the flying, the infantry does the dying."
All Petrusson said is that in regards to planetary control of EVE Online, which will be talked more sometime next year and currently is not implemented nor it is designed yet, there will be some connection between developed console FPS Dust 514. Dust 514 will share sovereingty map and will be based on EVE Online IP.
Nothing more is in his presentation.
Exaggerated statements are of this kind:
All Petrusson said is that in regards to planetary control of EVE Online, which will be talked more sometime next year and currently is not implemented nor it is designed yet, there will be some connection between developed console FPS Dust 514. Dust 514 will share sovereingty map and will be based on EVE Online IP.
Nothing more is in his presentation.
Exaggerated statements are of this kind:
All Hilmar said was what was quoted. You are not providing any quotes. It is not an exaggerated statement to say that EVE players are losing control when the CEO has stated that they will be dependent on DUST players.
There is no twisting around what he said. His statement was very clear in regards to sov.
The forums take the approach of the EULA stating that gameplay may change at their whim. That is where a lot of the NGE comparisons start to come in. It is also why I left EVE a few months back, deleting everything I had and my characters after four years. They are free to do what they want, and I am free to leave.
But please do not try to blow smoke here. While how it may play out in the future may change, as it stands now - that is what they have said.
The quote speeks in general terms about concept of conecting two games with absolutely no specifics about game changes.
It is a concept only, something that has got more than a year of development at best and something that has no shape nor there is anything planned for deeper mechanics yet. Whole part of planetary control is not even on draw board.
There are numerous ways how Dust can affect EVE and the other way round and they are all unknown apart from fact that it will revolve around planetary combat, which is currently not even developed yet.
I extracted the meaning of his words and simplified it for you bacause you are putting a meaning in his words that is not there.
Hilmar said, "DUST battlefields will dictate who control specific planets inside the EVE MMO. If a player contracts a DUST mercenary team to go and conquer this district of a planet. Then ultimately he will be able to control the planet, and therefore the solar system, and therefore the constellation, and the region."
He explained more about the interplay between EVE Online and DUST 514. Hilmar said, "You will increasingly have to fight with your fleet [in EVE Online] but you will also have to contract people who play DUST, the console MMO, which then feeds into the sovereignty control system of EVE. Then EVE feeds back into that again by funding the mercenaries, giving them goals." In a nod to Starship Troopers, he said, "The fleet does the flying, the infantry does the dying."
DUST battlefields dictate who controls planets.
Planet control leads to solar system control.
Solar system control leads to constellation control.
Constellation control leads to region control.
To take the region, you will have to take the constellation.
To take the constellation, you will have to take the solar system.
We were fine at this point before.
Now to take the solar system, you have to take the planets.
You need DUST console players to take the planets.
7 Different Dust threads all the same crap.
Anyone tired of repeating themselves yet?
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To be honest, I prefer the discussion on how DUST will affect EVE to all the "What, no PC?" discussions.
I quit EVE because of the salvaging mini-profession they added. Sure, if you read their early comments on the issue; it sounded like a good idea. It would have provided an opportunity for corps and friends (even mercs) to participate in the completion of a mission while fostering a better community/RP experience for some. That is not the way it turned out though. It turned into ninja looters crying about mission runners being greedy because they thought the system not well thought out in the way it was implemented. Then when they made probing so easy a caveman could do it, it simply became ridiculous.
I do not know if it has changed since then (this was a few months back), but in regards to a wreck:
1) They could not fire on it. They would be flagged and concordokened.
2) They could not tractor it.
The wreck obviously was flagged with ownership on the server, belonging to the person that had created the wreck. Yet CCP GMs continued to state their was no ownership even as their own game stated there was. They juryrigged a means for people to get around this ownership. They would not address the ability to attack or tractor the wreck at the time. If they had simply allowed anybody to fire at or tractor the wreck, then their claims of no ownership would have been fine in that sense.
This was a simple thing in regards to looting and salvaging.
For something as complex as the change in sovereignty we have going here, yeah - I would rather people were discussing that than worrying about whether it will be available for PC as well as for console.... just my 2 isk.
(Un)fortunately there is nothing to discuss until planetary control is revealed.
You can't really guess anything without one.
(Un)fortunately there is nothing to discuss until planetary control is revealed.
You can't really guess anything without one.
I disagree on this point. If you wait until they have finished and then discuss - what purpose does that serve? This is not discussion about a brand new game, but this is about a game that has been around for six years.