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General: Dragon Age Sex Controversy Examined

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  • opusaugopusaug Member Posts: 22


    Originally posted by federicoz
    Btw, I do agree with your assessment of the folks that are yelling the loudest about nudity in a game.  The track records of preachers and priests are decidedly not good in that area. 

    Awesome. First my politics is assaulted, and now my religion is maligned. Thanks for the welcoming and non-bigoted atmosphere you bring to the web, MMORPG.com!
  • AercusAercus Member UncommonPosts: 775
    Originally posted by Yamota


    That article is from 2002 and I misstakedly said teenage pregnancy, it is teenage abortion rate and not pregnancy rate. Abortion is much more related to unwanted pregnancy (duh) than just pregnancy (which could be intentional).
    And I live in Sweden. I have grown up in their system, gone through their education system, been directly involved in how sex and teenagers works and watched their own national news agency say that during 2007 Sweden had the highest rate of teenage abortions in Europe.
    I will try and dig up an article which that news was based one.



     

    I doubt too much has changed in that respect since 2002 or so, and most time-line studies will have a few years time lag. The argument stands. To become part of the abortion rate you need to first be pregnant.. And yes, the teenage abortion rate in Sweden is higher than most other countries (if I remember correctly about 1/5 of all teenage pregnancies are carried to term). However, the incidence of teenage pregnancy and abortion in Sweden is among the lowest in the world. 

  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,411

    http://www.colorado.edu/ibs/PP/menken/courses/socy3012/teenpreg.htm

    http://www.physiciansforlife.org/content/view/1125/36/

     

    Those are two cited articles about why the condoms in class programs are not that great.  Access not to condoms but birth control pills would be a better route to stop teen pregnanc ies.

  • AercusAercus Member UncommonPosts: 775
    Originally posted by Horusra


    http://www.colorado.edu/ibs/PP/menken/courses/socy3012/teenpreg.htm
    http://www.physiciansforlife.org/content/view/1125/36/
     
    Those are two cited articles about why the condoms in class programs are not that great.  Access not to condoms but birth control pills would be a better route to stop teen pregnanc ies.



     

    First article does not support your view and the second one is from a Pro-Life/Abstinence Only group. I applaud your effort, but better luck next time.

  • blackthornnblackthornn Member UncommonPosts: 617

    so the reviewer picked the wrong option in speech dialog with the wrong character, got secretly excited over the result and in a bought of self hatred decided to write the review about how gay and dirty it is....gottcha.  Bet he peeked in the showers after gym class too.

     Grouping in Old school mmo's: meeting someone at the bar and chatting, getting to know them before jumping into bed.  Current mmo's grouping: tinder.  swipe, hookup, hope you don't get herpes, never see them again.
  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,411

    If you read the first article you would see that it is about the fact that condoms: cost, availablity and effectivness make it a poor choose to be taught in schools due to the fact that a program that made birth control pills, Norplant, and other more expensive and effective birth control methods would be better in school programs.  The fact that poorer people will not buy condoms, and these communities are where the most pregnancies are happening, is another fact cited in the paper about why teaching condoms instead of making the other programs available would be better.

    The second article is about the ineffectiveness with scientific data about the use and misuse of condoms.  As you odviously failed to read it has data about the need for people to not only keep and maintain a fresh supply of condoms but it also talks about halfway down about how poorer people (which includes kids that would not have the cash to buy) fail to spend the money and time to make condoms as effective as they could be.

     

    So while Applaud your effort to denounce the articles...better luck next time.

  • AercusAercus Member UncommonPosts: 775
    Originally posted by Horusra


    If you read the first article you would see that it is about the fact that condoms: cost, availablity and effectivness make it a poor choose to be taught in schools due to the fact that a program that made birth control pills, Norplant, and other more expensive and effective birth control methods would be better in school programs.  The fact that poorer people will not buy condoms, and these communities are where the most pregnancies are happening, is another fact cited in the paper about why teaching condoms instead of making the other programs available would be better.
    The second article is about the ineffectiveness with scientific data about the use and misuse of condoms.  As you odviously failed to read it has data about the need for people to not only keep and maintain a fresh supply of condoms but it also talks about halfway down about how poorer people (which includes kids that would not have the cash to buy) fail to spend the money and time to make condoms as effective as they could be.
     
    So while Applaud your effort to denounce the articles...better luck next time.



     

    Are we reading the same text? The first one discusses the implications of different policies on teenage pregnancy rates, and concludes that sex ed and access to safe contraceptives along with social support programs are the way to go. How you twist this into a degrading of condoms I do not know, especially as the word "condoms" only appear once in the text.

    Second article I won't even bother to look at. Biased reports never offer any insight into the problem, just into the twisted minds of those writing them. A condom, used correctly, provides 100% protection against STDs and unwanted pregnancy, and are handed out like candy at most health stations. Even buying condoms is cheap if you look at the cost-benefit they offer. That people fail to realize this does not make them any less effective.

  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,411
    Originally posted by Aercus




     
    Second article I won't even bother to look at. Biased reports never offer any insight into the problem, just into the twisted minds of those writing them. 



     

    Guess this is a reason not to read your posts...

  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,411
    Originally posted by Aercus




     
     A condom, used correctly, provides 100% protection against STDs and unwanted pregnancy



     

    After that comment we are done here.  100% huh...what a perfect world you live in.  100%......lol.....100%...I just can not get over that you would use 100%.  To you I say good day sir and I hope the rest of the mythical animals in your realm have a good day.

  • Hopscotch73Hopscotch73 Member UncommonPosts: 971

    Talgen, that was my bad on mis-editing quotes. I wasn't impling anything about you at all.

    And Yamoda, in two responses you've tried to call me "deluded" or "seriously deluded". I could get all bent out of shape about that, but I won't. I'll just point out that taking umbrage over a skippable cut-scene in a game that you don't play to such a extent is a sign of someone who is, shall we say, a bit repressed.

    Your rather rigid moral stance doesn't (thankfully) dictate to Bioware or the players who enjoy DA:O.

    And you won't change the moral worldview of people here just by posting.

    So why are you trying so hard???

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

  • tro44_1tro44_1 Member Posts: 1,819
    Originally posted by Moretrinkets


    what controversy?



     

    Video Games are always a easy target.

  • majimaji Member UncommonPosts: 2,091
    Originally posted by Horusra

    Originally posted by Aercus
     A condom, used correctly, provides 100% protection against STDs and unwanted pregnancy

    After that comment we are done here.  100% huh...what a perfect world you live in.  100%......lol.....100%...I just can not get over that you would use 100%.  To you I say good day sir and I hope the rest of the mythical animals in your realm have a good day.

     

    Condoms when used correctly have an 98%+ chance to prevent pregnancy and 80% to 95% to prevent infection by STDs (depending on the specific STD). In other words: everyone who doesn't want a child or STDs and has some common sense uses condoms.

    I'm not sure though what that has to do with Dragon Age. oO

     

    Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)

    Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)

  • grandpagamergrandpagamer Member Posts: 2,221
    Originally posted by Khalathwyr

    Originally posted by grandpagamer

    Originally posted by Khalathwyr

    Originally posted by smut

    Originally posted by greed0104

    Originally posted by smut

    Originally posted by Angorim

    Originally posted by Khalathwyr


    More right wing fanatics trying to impose their morals on everyone else. What's new?



     

    Apparently homosexuality is the root of all evil and is the most pressing concern to conservatives.

    Then again, global warming is a myth.  (lol).



     

    Hahaha, there isn't even graphic sexual positions in this game like they claim. You kiss the person and lie down (with underwear and bra still on) and the scene ends!

    Apparently the writers have something against spooning.



     

    Spooning! Oh, the horror! What is this world coming to when we can watch 2 males spoon in a video game. We are all doomed I tell you! Repent now!

    Yes, spoony love. How dreadful it tis.

    I seriously don't have an issue with people who have a set of values, morals, whatever you want to call it, and they live by them. Especially if those values don't infringe or try to dictate how others live.

    It's when people like this get up on their soapboxes, virtual or on the street corner, is when I get upset. I don't go around spouting of my values and morals. I keep them to myself. I expect the same in return. If I ask you for yours, by all means, talk to my ears bleed. If I don't, then STFU.

    Yeah, kinda like spewing liberal drivel on a gaming website.  How oppressive. 

    Well, if you want to make an assumption on my political affiliations based on that little information, then I'll make one on your 53 years of age and being from Iowa. Vote for Palin again and see where it gets ya!

    Wasnt just you i was referring too but considering how well Obama has worked out anyone including Palin might bring some of the "hope" your grasping for.

  • YamotaYamota Member UncommonPosts: 6,593
    Originally posted by Aercus

    Originally posted by Yamota


    That article is from 2002 and I misstakedly said teenage pregnancy, it is teenage abortion rate and not pregnancy rate. Abortion is much more related to unwanted pregnancy (duh) than just pregnancy (which could be intentional).
    And I live in Sweden. I have grown up in their system, gone through their education system, been directly involved in how sex and teenagers works and watched their own national news agency say that during 2007 Sweden had the highest rate of teenage abortions in Europe.
    I will try and dig up an article which that news was based one.



     

    I doubt too much has changed in that respect since 2002 or so, and most time-line studies will have a few years time lag. The argument stands. To become part of the abortion rate you need to first be pregnant.. And yes, the teenage abortion rate in Sweden is higher than most other countries (if I remember correctly about 1/5 of all teenage pregnancies are carried to term). However, the incidence of teenage pregnancy and abortion in Sweden is among the lowest in the world. 

    What argument stands? That Swedish sex education promotes safe sex? If so then it certainly does not.

    Swedish doctors give out birth control like candies and that is the reason for low pregnancy rate and not that Swedish people use condoms. Several studies has shown that very few people in Sweden use condoms because abortion is readily available and so are birth control pills (neither which protects against STDs).

    Also you first say that abortion rate is relatively high in Sweden and then say it is lowest in the world? That is bullshit, it is among the highest in the world (estimated 26% of pregnancies are ended in abortions in Sweden). The lowest rates in Europe is Poland that has almost 1 % and highest is Russia with over 50%.

    Average age of sex in females, in Sweden, was last reported to be 14 years old. And I have grown up as a teenager in Sweden and I can tell you that it is very common for people to have unprotected sex at ages as low as 15.

    So no, your argument stands nothing.

  • WraithoneWraithone Member RarePosts: 3,806
    Originally posted by Angelof2070

    Originally posted by Wraithone

    Originally posted by Yamota



    Originally posted by ViewDoo


    I will never understand this idea that it is more socially acceptable to murder a person than to have sex with one. I see it again and again. It confuses me every time.

     

    What kind of nonsensical statement is this?

    Go and kill someone and you will either end up in jail or receive the death sentance.

    Have sex and.... at worst people will think you are a slut.

    Oh yeah, I see how that is so much less acceptable. 

     

    Really? As I said, killing is only murder if its not sanctioned by the state. 

     

    What if you killed someone because they refused to commit suicide after you demanded them to?

    Oh, and the person helped feed starving children and their only possession was a piece of tape, which you demanded also.



    LoL, just giving you a hard time :P lol

     

    In either case, if it was sanctioned by the state, it would not be murder.  Murder is a government definition. It seldom applies to its own actions.

    "If you can't kill it, don't make it mad."
  • YamotaYamota Member UncommonPosts: 6,593
    Originally posted by Hopscotch73


    Talgen, that was my bad on mis-editing quotes. I wasn't impling anything about you at all.
    And Yamoda, in two responses you've tried to call me "deluded" or "seriously deluded". I could get all bent out of shape about that, but I won't. I'll just point out that taking umbrage over a skippable cut-scene in a game that you don't play to such a extent is a sign of someone who is, shall we say, a bit repressed.
    Your rather rigid moral stance doesn't (thankfully) dictate to Bioware or the players who enjoy DA:O.
    And you won't change the moral worldview of people here just by posting.
    So why are you trying so hard???
     
     
     
     
     

    My rigid moral stance? LOL

    I have 100 gig of porn on my HD and I regularly have sex with people who I am not married to.

    That does not make me want to have porn in a friggin computer game. Why are you trying so hard to advocate for porn in a video game?

    And as for changing the view of people here? I dont care less about that. I rather am trying to defend those people who may think it is inappropriate to have porn hidden in fantasy RPGs. Because you know, most, people play fantasy RPGs for other reasons than to see sexual acts (be it gay or otherwise).

    In this age, with all the sexual liberals around, corps are trying to use sex to cash in on everything and that could lead to detrimental effects on the society. Such as STDs, unwanted pregnancies and sexual assaults all of which are among the highest ever in the recorded history in most countries.

    Sex is not just sex but has consequences. It is easy to forget that will all the visual depictions seen in media and now it is spreading to fantasy RPGs as well. What is next, sport games? Fifa World Soccer with the player screwing each other after the game?

     

  • nekollxnekollx Member Posts: 570
    Originally posted by Angorim


    Oh no!  A mature rated game has mature content!  It's clearly evil and Bioware should be ashamed for not being pigheaded bigots and forcing a single-minded point of view on everyone!  I mean, you're forced to not only play this game but you're forced to partake in sexual actions against your will in a virtual world!
     
    Oh wait, none of that is true.

    Mmmmm Hot Coffee anyone?

  • YamotaYamota Member UncommonPosts: 6,593
    Originally posted by Wraithone

    Originally posted by Angelof2070

    Originally posted by Wraithone

    Originally posted by Yamota



    Originally posted by ViewDoo


    I will never understand this idea that it is more socially acceptable to murder a person than to have sex with one. I see it again and again. It confuses me every time.

     

    What kind of nonsensical statement is this?

    Go and kill someone and you will either end up in jail or receive the death sentance.

    Have sex and.... at worst people will think you are a slut.

    Oh yeah, I see how that is so much less acceptable. 

     

    Really? As I said, killing is only murder if its not sanctioned by the state. 

     

    What if you killed someone because they refused to commit suicide after you demanded them to?

    Oh, and the person helped feed starving children and their only possession was a piece of tape, which you demanded also.



    LoL, just giving you a hard time :P lol

     

    In either case, if it was sanctioned by the state, it would not be murder.  Murder is a government definition. It seldom applies to its own actions.

    Legal definition, if you want to be picky.

    But still does not understand how that relates to sex in society.

  • majimaji Member UncommonPosts: 2,091
    Originally posted by Yamota




    Swedish doctors give out birth control like candies and that is the reason for low pregnancy rate and not that Swedish people use condoms.

     

    Actually I think the low pregnancy rate is because children are a damn expensive hobby (not to mention the high divorce rates).

    Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)

    Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)

  • TolrocTolroc Member UncommonPosts: 111

    "The good news for the gay community is that apparently social values have progressed far enough in the last few years that lesbians are now OK. "

     

    I would actually you the word digressed rather than progressed, but that is my opinion. Sure, sure call me a homophobe because anyone that sees homosexuality as morally wrong must be a afraid of homosexuality and a bigot to boot. As one poster said above me the current way of thinking for many seems to be to be tolerant of everyone except those that disagree with you.

     

    With that aside, I have no objection to this game being in the marketplace. It does have a mature rating and has warnings for the type of content it contains. People need to read about a game before buying for their children or even for themselves. If something offends you in a game that had warnings then you only have yourself to blame. The game is not for me not just for the sexual content but also becuase of the gory violence. However, I have no objection to it being on the market for those that like that kind of content.

  • nekollxnekollx Member Posts: 570
    Originally posted by Wraithone

    Originally posted by Angelof2070

    Originally posted by Wraithone

    Originally posted by Yamota



    Originally posted by ViewDoo


    I will never understand this idea that it is more socially acceptable to murder a person than to have sex with one. I see it again and again. It confuses me every time.

     

    What kind of nonsensical statement is this?

    Go and kill someone and you will either end up in jail or receive the death sentance.

    Have sex and.... at worst people will think you are a slut.

    Oh yeah, I see how that is so much less acceptable. 

     

    Really? As I said, killing is only murder if its not sanctioned by the state. 

     

    What if you killed someone because they refused to commit suicide after you demanded them to?

    Oh, and the person helped feed starving children and their only possession was a piece of tape, which you demanded also.



    LoL, just giving you a hard time :P lol

     

    In either case, if it was sanctioned by the state, it would not be murder.  Murder is a government definition. It seldom applies to its own actions.

    And beyond the point.

    Look i could make a movie about a mass murder who slaughters thousands of people

    it's haraleded as the next big action flick

    I can make one about a canible who eats his victims for personal pleasure

    it's a dark drama

     

    i make one about 2 gay cow boys and 

    "Woah you can't go there!"

  • daxstylesdaxstyles Member Posts: 1

    "I boinked the elf and I did it for the achievements."

     

    This should be an Officially Licensed t-shirt. 

  • dhayes68dhayes68 Member UncommonPosts: 1,388

    Whats so funny is that the game doesn't just give you gay sex, you have to ask the game to give you gay sex. So anyone complaining about having gay sex in DAO, is probably gay.

  • dhayes68dhayes68 Member UncommonPosts: 1,388
    Originally posted by Yamota



    Originally posted by ViewDoo


    I will never understand this idea that it is more socially acceptable to murder a person than to have sex with one. I see it again and again. It confuses me every time.

     

    What kind of nonsensical statement is this?

    Go and kill someone and you will either end up in jail or receive the death sentance.

    Have sex and.... at worst people will think you are a slut.

    Oh yeah, I see how that is so much less acceptable. 

     

    Not really a fair comparison, ViewDoo said 'socially' acceptable, and you reference what is legally accpetable. Big difference.

    In a social context, especially what children are allowed to see for example, murder and violence are far more acceptable than sex, or even cursing. THAT is nonsensical.

  • grandpagamergrandpagamer Member Posts: 2,221
    Originally posted by nekollx

    Originally posted by Wraithone

    Originally posted by Angelof2070

    Originally posted by Wraithone

    Originally posted by Yamota



    Originally posted by ViewDoo


    I will never understand this idea that it is more socially acceptable to murder a person than to have sex with one. I see it again and again. It confuses me every time.

     

    What kind of nonsensical statement is this?

    Go and kill someone and you will either end up in jail or receive the death sentance.

    Have sex and.... at worst people will think you are a slut.

    Oh yeah, I see how that is so much less acceptable. 

     

    Really? As I said, killing is only murder if its not sanctioned by the state. 

     

    What if you killed someone because they refused to commit suicide after you demanded them to?

    Oh, and the person helped feed starving children and their only possession was a piece of tape, which you demanded also.



    LoL, just giving you a hard time :P lol

     

    In either case, if it was sanctioned by the state, it would not be murder.  Murder is a government definition. It seldom applies to its own actions.

    And beyond the point.

    Look i could make a movie about a mass murder who slaughters thousands of people

    it's haraleded as the next big action flick

    I can make one about a canible who eats his victims for personal pleasure

    it's a dark drama

     

    i make one about 2 gay cow boys and 

    "Woah you can't go there!"

    How about a gay abortion doctor gone wild? Doing abortions on unwilling pregnant women. Then having sex with their husbands. You could encompass the entire spectrum that way. Gay sex, legal murder and illegal murder. He could also slash a condom seller as well and call it corporate espionage.

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