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When the Dark Falls: My Darkfall Review (long one bring your lunch)
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Iiii-iiiiiit's.... me!!! *Hooray*
No, i don't agree and you are very lenient about someone who admitted he used hacker tools to damage DF. I don't think honesty is something that applies in those cases and these review show the same mindset and intention.
True, but if you're gonna hack it just takes the fun out of actually playing a game. He probably just got tired of not playing Darkfall and quit, or was banned and has sour grapes. His review for the most part is based on that of a hacker that probably got caught and banned, that's why I find his opinions and conclusions to be less than worthy.
If you're considering playing DFO and hacking, maybe you should take his word for it and not play?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
How to touch the nerve of radical DF fanboys ?
Just put in your review many things like: "there is a bug which changes melee animation to vertical - it happends from time to time and you need to relog to fix it", "logging out in the middle of wilderness teleports you to last bindstone", and mix it with general negative opinion about the game.
It reminds me "Truthful media reviews" from Something Awful.
BTW: I still remember Tasos raging because of few factual mistakes in Ed Zitron review
How to touch the nerve of radical DF fanboys ?
Just put in your review many things like: "there is a bug which changes melee animation to vertical - it happends from time to time and you need to relog to fix it", "logging out in the middle of wilderness teleports you to last bindstone", and mix it with general negative opinion about the game.
It reminds me "Truthful media reviews" from Something Awful.
Especially your will grow a reputation as a very credible source if you admit your hacking.
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How to touch the nerve of radical DF fanboys ?
Just put in your review many things like: "there is a bug which changes melee animation to vertical - it happends from time to time and you need to relog to fix it", "logging out in the middle of wilderness teleports you to last bindstone", and mix it with general negative opinion about the game.
It reminds me "Truthful media reviews" from Something Awful.
Especially your will grow a reputation as a very credible source if you admit your hacking.
Egotrip: "Two handed weapons actually have more than one animation now ,even though occasionally they revert back to the good'ol overhead swing and seem to remain like that until i restart my PC (a bug perhaps???)"
Should we tell him it's not a bug, but a more careful style if you're fightning in groups, so you don't accidently hit friendly players - and all he needs to press "T" to change it?
To sum it up:
After 26 days he played the game, he does not know that he log in at the exact location he logged out, he doesn't know to press T to switch between melee horizontal/vertical animations, and he admitted he used hacks.
Incredible.
REALITY CHECK
Sorry you didnt like it. I just skimmed your post as I could tell where it was going.
Some things I agree with:
-Mounts, stealing should be a crime, unless your at war, havent been disconnected yet while riding but ya that would suck, I think the mounts look very nice and are well done, I wish people could freely ride them around the noob cities with out getting them jacked, jump off do your banking/crafting jump back on. You would see them alot more.
-The alighnment, obviously PK's have the rewards and advantage hunting farmers and noobs, so where is the reward for hunting Pk's, I think a bounty system and some sort of advantage for good aligned characters would help.
Some things i disagree with:
-Ive always found auction houses to be to impersonal and destroy player interaction. I have always prefered localized vendors or just having a personal or buisness relationship with a crafter. I dont think everyone will spend the energy to max out every crafting skill I know I am dabbling in some of the low level stuff but doubt i will spend the time to max out everything. But I do hope they add crafting specializations where you can choose one craft to do better than the others.
-The wildlife, thought it was a nice touch and I like how they run, or catch your eye way off in the distance and make you look closer to make sure its not a pk. Yes I have seen the unfortunate wildlife bug but cant complain to much after falling through the world in fallen earth then having to commit suicide and respawning across the map with a 30 min run back to where I was at.
-The AI, say what you will, Its still the best I have experienced in a MMO.
-I love the freedom of the inventory and think dragging and dropping items add depth to the game. Oh and I love the room in the bank box and how you can just stack tons of items. Lol Id like to see a 2000 Item slotted inventory.
Some things i think are fine and do not care about:
- The sound (which is accually pretty cool because it is a sense that is important like vision to the PVP and PVE gameplay, which I have not seen in any other game)
-The ui, excluding chat, Auto run does work to still move forward while typing or playing with inventory ,but still nothing new to stop to type for FPS's.
-The communtiy, Just like in real life mostly you can choose the company you keep. But ya you will be murdered relentlessly.
- The one minute log out (never tested it), But fully expected it for a pvp game, although a quick log out via campsites like in uo(where you wait the minute in game confined to a campsite) would be nice.
Some things I have not experienced and will not comment on:
-Cheaters, Though I have in other games and am pretty sure they will be in every game.
-Exploiting mobs, UO had it using houses or dropping items on the ground to block mobs, I think it should be policed but it never affected my game directly, if someone doesnt like it they can report it when they see it happening.
Darkfall like every other mmo isnt perfect, but overall there are many good things and features that I like very much that your review totally ignores, perhaps you should have named this thread "Why darkfall made me cry".
Apparently the logging in/out doesn't work the same for everyone. It doesn't neccesarily have to work the same for everyone.
The responses that he got in chat confirm this.
Probably, if you are running a particulary kind of 3rd party HACK, you get teleported to your bindstone automatically. Perhaps it even is a deliberit function of that HACK. I'd guess that the people who responded to his question asked in chat, were all using it too.
And because you happen to be one of the honest players, Thillian, you do not experience this problem
How to touch the nerve of radical DF fanboys ?
Just put in your review many things like: "there is a bug which changes melee animation to vertical - it happends from time to time and you need to relog to fix it", "logging out in the middle of wilderness teleports you to last bindstone", and mix it with general negative opinion about the game.
It reminds me "Truthful media reviews" from Something Awful.
Especially your will grow a reputation as a very credible source if you admit your hacking.
Egotrip: "Two handed weapons actually have more than one animation now ,even though occasionally they revert back to the good'ol overhead swing and seem to remain like that until i restart my PC (a bug perhaps???)"
Should we tell him it's not a bug, but a more careful style if you're fightning in groups, so you don't accidently hit friendly players - and all he needs to press "T" to change it?
To sum it up:
After 26 days he played the game, he does not know that he log in at the exact location he logged out, he doesn't know to press T to switch between melee horizontal/vertical animations, and he admitted he used hacks.
Incredible.
Just curious here.
Why is it that Thillian is the only one saying that egotrip is a liar or wrong about the logging out in the wilderness?
Is it possible that some others have noticed the same thing?
Is it possible that for some players it does in fact work that way?
Is it possible that egotrip is in fact telling the truth about his experiences with DarkFall?
Just find it interesting to see the attitude displayed by some here.
Thanks for the review egotrip... I for one found it an interesting read.
Egotrip: "Two handed weapons actually have more than one animation now ,even though occasionally they revert back to the good'ol overhead swing and seem to remain like that until i restart my PC (a bug perhaps???)"
Should we tell him it's not a bug, but a more careful style if you're fightning in groups, so you don't accidently hit friendly players - and all he needs to press "T" to change it?
To sum it up:
After 26 days he played the game, he does not know that he log in at the exact location he logged out, he doesn't know to press T to switch between melee horizontal/vertical animations, and he admitted he used hacks.
Incredible.
I'll put it as plainly as one can to you in vain hope that you actually understand what i am trying to say:
Two handed weapons revert back to the good'ol overhead swing and seem to remain like that until i restart my PC without me pressing any button fiddling around with any controls or actually affecting other weapons like shield and sword and remain like this until AFTER i restart my PC.
Which part of what i wrote in green don't you understand or are you deliberately taking things out of context?
Iiii-iiiiiit's.... me!!! *Hooray*
What value is there in a review if there is no informative value ?
Those who play may no need the information but don't you agree damage can be done to those who are new and don't know about it ?
Like I stated, entertainment value.
It was a personal take with a lot of tongue in cheek comments. I didn't find the OP extremely negative at all. It was more like disappointment than anything else.
Heck, I was happy he didn't feel the need to try and put actual scores to each item.
It was no different than when I read a slobbering love review. Each to their own.
It seems like some just want to argue because of who it is, and not the substance of the post, regardless of how accurate anyone may feel the "information" to be.
As far as anyone wanting information? I didn't realize that this forum was here to sell/promote Darkfall, but to have discussions concerning the game. People should visit the official Darkfall Site or use the link in my signature to the official Darkfall FAQ first and if they have questions they should post up.
So, quoting our favorite Big Toe, "Lighten up Francis...". Remember, it's just a game.
DarkFall FAQ - Read then Question with Boldness
Just curious here.
Why is it that Thillian is the only one saying that egotrip is a liar or wrong about the logging out in the wilderness?
Is it possible that some others have noticed the same thing?
Is it possible that for some players it does in fact work that way?
Is it possible that egotrip is in fact telling the truth about his experiences with DarkFall?
Just find it interesting to see the attitude displayed by some here.
Thanks for the review egotrip... I for one found it an interesting read.
It is certainly possible that it works differently for various people. It's quite common for software nowadays to behave differently based on both difference in hardware and difference in running processes (be they hacks or not).
I very much doubt that egotrip would be lying about it. Mainly because it would be a very stupid lie.
Just curious here.
Why is it that Thillian is the only one saying that egotrip is a liar or wrong about the logging out in the wilderness?
Do I really need to further explain you Azdul's post on that subject? DarthReiden or Raspit also both obviously stated, the review is rather entartaining than informative.
I can not imagine how can you not log in at the place where you logged out, unless you're killed meanwhile or you're logging out in the water. But sure, if he used hacks (which he admitted he did), some mod could made him cast bindstone recall everytime he logged out automatically.
But seriously, is that a game's fault he's using hacks that teleports him to town when he logs out?
REALITY CHECK
A lot of his review is either wrong or he just isnt smart enough to find the right choice in game. He had a lot opinions as well. Good thing about t his game, is it seperates the people who cant make it on there own, and need ahand holding 24/7, I for one it is like that, those type of people deserve a linear game, like you op.
Nope, but it would mean that he did not lie about it.
I have no love for hackers (as you may have read from my posts already), but at least he can't be discredited on this point in his review.
Just curious here.
Why is it that Thillian is the only one saying that egotrip is a liar or wrong about the logging out in the wilderness?
Is it possible that some others have noticed the same thing?
Is it possible that for some players it does in fact work that way?
Is it possible that egotrip is in fact telling the truth about his experiences with DarkFall?
Just find it interesting to see the attitude displayed by some here.
Thanks for the review egotrip... I for one found it an interesting read.
It is certainly possible that it works differently for various people. It's quite common for software nowadays to behave differently based on both difference in hardware and difference in running processes (be they hacks or not).
I very much doubt that egotrip would be lying about it. Mainly because it would be a very stupid lie.
Yup, pretty much what I was thinking.
Egotrip also said he was on the EU server.
Would be interesting to know if Thillian is on NA or EU. If it's NA... then perhaps the two work differently.
In the end it's egotrip's write-up of his experiences in DarkFall. I just found it a bit interesting to see others here tell him that he did NOT have those experiences. Must be a bit perplexing for egotrip to try and reconcile that he may in fact be going insane.
Just wanted to focus on this, because it's sort of the essence of why "sandbox" and "FL FFA PVP" are pretty much complete opposites. [1] You'll note that 99.99% of conversations on "sandbox" games go like this:
Hapless n00b:"I want to (craft/explore/roleplay/pve), but I keep getting ganked!"
Fanboi:"Well, it's easy to not be ganked. Join a clan, then macro grind your combat skills, then make sure you're always traveling in a large group of people, and stay in areas your clan controls, and don't carry anything on you that you don't want to lose, and be sure to be careful and stealthy and make sure there's no ambushes, and you need THESE spells and THOSE potions and you need to allocate your skill points thus-and-so."
Hapless n00b:"Why do I want to play this game, again?"
Fanboi:"Because you have the total freedom to play ANY WAY YOU WANT!"
You can have your Model T in any color you like, as long as the color you like is black.
[1]"But what about UO? Huh? Huh?" UO, as it is fondly remembered via rose-colored glasses peering back through a hazy fog (and I personally think 95% of the "old UO" fans never actually played it, as, to judge by their writing skills, they would have had to be about one year old when it came out), was pretty much an accident. UO was pitched to fans of the Ultima CRPG, who enjoyed the games' legendarily deep stories, characters, and worlds; it also attracted hordes of mouth-breathing battle.net refugees who couldn't understand any type of interaction other than "I KILL U!!!!!". The two groups competed for developer attention for a while, as there was nothing else to really compare, and than EQ came out with its fully consensual, opt-in PVP, and UO began to bleed customers, and it STOPPED being FL FFA PVP because if it had stuck to that path, it wouldn't be around today. Current PVP games are, pretty much, all PVP all the time, and the "sandbox" players who want to do anything *other* than PVP go elsewhere. It's not a sandbox if the PVP dictates everyone's playstyle; it's just a very large arena where the developers saved money on building actual content by saying "Players get to make their OWN content!" Yeah.
That's why the game is full of people and has many servers.. oh right! nope.
If you actually had read my first reply then you would have noticed that i mentioned that too.
That minor inaccuracy is not of importance but lets put it in perspective.
I will do a review of these review.
So we have here a review from a known "critic" (a vaporware defamer pre-Darkfall release) who don't respect the game or its developers and don't hesitate to show that through actions for example admittedly using hacking tools which violate the RoC of the game. IMO that is the important piece of background about the reviewer everyone should know.
The review in itself a shallow piece of work with some inaccuracies, some exaggerations here and there nothing big but the general conclusions that the reviewer draws try to fool you into the impression of he is in GENERAL spot on.
Example Population ...reviewer gives the example of running across just 1 other player through a 3 hour trip. Intionaly to fool readers into drawing conclusions about general population but in his trip it was HIM trying to avoid populated places because he wanted to arrive at his destinated location. The tone in the travel experience should put DarFall in a nagative light because its so time consuming to get somewhere and is a biased opinion. Any gamemechanic that force you being out in the wild adds to gameplay in GENERAL if not for you then for other players
So the bigger picture counts and these review and reviewer did nothing to capture what Darkfall is all about ..using some inaccuracies, refering to bug, generalizations not justified and himself hacking ... resulting in a bad review no one would really consider worthy but then we here at MMORPG who obviously feeds Darkfall defamer and hater.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
In the 4 months I played this actually did happen to me frequently. I wasn'y hacking or anything of the sort. Not sure why it s happening to some and not to others.
Just curious here.
Why is it that Thillian is the only one saying that egotrip is a liar or wrong about the logging out in the wilderness?
Is it possible that some others have noticed the same thing?
Is it possible that for some players it does in fact work that way?
Is it possible that egotrip is in fact telling the truth about his experiences with DarkFall?
Just find it interesting to see the attitude displayed by some here.
Thanks for the review egotrip... I for one found it an interesting read.
It is certainly possible that it works differently for various people. It's quite common for software nowadays to behave differently based on both difference in hardware and difference in running processes (be they hacks or not).
I very much doubt that egotrip would be lying about it. Mainly because it would be a very stupid lie.
Yup, pretty much what I was thinking.
Egotrip also said he was on the EU server.
Would be interesting to know if Thillian is on NA or EU. If it's NA... then perhaps the two work differently.
Im on EU. They definetly not work differently. In fact there was recently a new forum thread, people asking to change water logout teleport back to bindstone. They know the water-recall is in game intentionally, noone EVER SAID there you will get recalled when you log out on the ground. I never saw anyone else saying that. It's a blatant and ludicrous lie by the OP and I don't care if he used hacks that made it or he just made it up.
Together with other points he made (2 handed sword vs shields, two-handers animation "bug") I insist that he's deliberately lying in his "review" probably for being banned for hacking.
REALITY CHECK
We have already estabilished that this doesn't necesarily have to be misinformation in the case of the OP.
Welcome to the forums by the way. Although it is a bit strange to have this as your first post. Why take the time to make an account and a post, if you did not agree with 1 particular post in the forum? You could have at least read the whole thread.
In the 4 months I played this actually did happen to me frequently. I wasn'y hacking or anything of the sort. Not sure why it s happening to some and not to others.
It only happens when you log out in the water or being killed during the logout process. You remain in world 2 minutes after you QUIT.
REALITY CHECK
Heh...
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Thank-you for your affirmation of Thillian's postion on this matter. Your experiences on this matter have been noted.
In the 4 months I played this actually did happen to me frequently. I wasn'y hacking or anything of the sort. Not sure why it s happening to some and not to others.
It only happens when you log out in the water or being killed during the logout process. You remain in world 2 minutes after you QUIT.
Not sure what to say here, except it happened an many occasions outside of water, away from any mobs etc. but I know for a fact a friend I played with at the time was hunting with me, and we found a decent spot for me to safely log out in the wilderness. He was still playing because I had to go to work, nothing came near my char at all according to him and when I got home i was at my bindstone. Going on what he said and the fact my packs weren t looted I can t explain it other then to say it does happen.