o no biggie . i had the extra 50 so. btw im not saying your wrong i think its a mistake if they go gold 2 mondays from now. but people really should be prepare for the gmae to fail if there going to pre order to get into beta and if its a small company. im not saying its going to fail i think they will be ok with 1000 subs if there smart with there money. but there not trying to scam there customers theyd o care about the game but money is the biggiest problem here
1000 subs = 15000 a month income. That's $180,000 per year...
They have 20 employees to pay. They have loans with interest due
The have rent and utilities
They have to pay their billing company... lawyer(s) etc...
Servers.. bandwidth...
They have said they NEED 13,000 subscriptions and that seems a realistic amount to cover the bare minimal costs of operation.
so many ppl here think they understand the economics and all predict the dev to go out of business soon enough, ive seen countless topics dedicated to AoC cause some ex-players were very angry, yet the company is still very much alive despite the numerous claims that they have huge loans/debts etc (but if they bothered to read the financial reports they will see FC has loads of money - money which should go into TSW cause i want that to succeed!! ^^)
also DF, which was in developement for god knows how long, finally released, not too many subs, mass exodus after first month and stabilised since then, yet AV seems in good financial shape.
so many ppl here think they understand the economics and all predict the dev to go out of business soon enough, ive seen countless topics dedicated to AoC cause some ex-players were very angry, yet the company is still very much alive despite the numerous claims that they have huge loans/debts etc (but if they bothered to read the financial reports they will see FC has loads of money - money which should go into TSW cause i want that to succeed!! ^^) also DF, which was in developement for god knows how long, finally released, not too many subs, mass exodus after first month and stabilised since then, yet AV seems in good financial shape.
I didn't predict they go out of business. I simply restated what the developers have said.. that hey needed 13,000 subs as a base to keep functioning. My reply was to someone who said they only needed 1k subs.. which is $180k a year.. obviously way too little revenue to support 20 people and all the rest of the items.
the 13k they have stated is a super low number compared to most other games, but seems like a reasonable minimal amount to generate the revenue to stay alive. If they will GET 13,000 subs is another story.. I honestly don;t know..
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When i look at DF players,i see people who really do not care about content.All i see is people using 3 possible attacks,that is pretty weak and boring,so really what are you PVP people looking for in a game,other than just PVP?
It seems to me ,all PVP players care about is riding their mount and large fights,that needs zero game content to achieve.So if MO has at least the same 3 combat modes,witch i could hardly see how it could be any worse,it should satisfy you people or not?Personally DF's combat system would bore the heck out of me in one day,i think MO should be able to surpass that PVP combat easily,even if the game is not ready.
The main site says the game is releasing open beta not going gold?says feb1 st =open beta.Ok i understand what they are doing,very smart,they are going to go live the at the same time,this is smart because it means there will be more players,more developers should use this same strategy.Except there is one very funny part,they call it OPEN BETA at release lol,how do you release a BETA lol.
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When i look at DF players,i see people who really do not care about content.All i see is people using 3 possible attacks,that is pretty weak and boring,so really what are you PVP people looking for in a game,other than just PVP? It seems to me ,all PVP players care about is riding their mount and large fights,that needs zero game content to achieve.So if MO has at least the same 3 combat modes,witch i could hardly see how it could be any worse,it should satisfy you people or not?Personally DF's combat system would bore the heck out of me in one day,i think MO should be able to surpass that PVP combat easily,even if the game is not ready. The main site says the game is releasing open beta not going gold?says feb1 st =open beta.Ok i understand what they are doing,very smart,they are going to go live the at the same time,this is smart because it means there will be more players,more developers should use this same strategy.Except there is one very funny part,they call it OPEN BETA at release lol,how do you release a BETA lol.
That jab at DarkFall was not necessary. Everyone care about content as lack of content will bore any player in this world. And based on what you wrote, you haven't tried the game yet so I suggest you avoid talking about things you clearly have no idea what they are.
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Back to subject though, I'd love to join MO Open Beta, but as I am aware of the current state of the game, I'd rather wait a few more months for StarVault to get their things together and fix most of the issues. I'm guessing this "Open Beta" will create even more issue server-wise so it won't be pretty.....and you all know what happened to DarkFall when it launched.....
I just hope Mortal Online won't be a flop and actually survive the first few months until StarVault fix the many issues (and/or add a Free Trial).
As for those who plan to download the game on Feb. 1st, don't cry and leave because the game is buggy, give the game a chance.
When i look at DF players,i see people who really do not care about content.All i see is people using 3 possible attacks,that is pretty weak and boring,so really what are you PVP people looking for in a game,other than just PVP? It seems to me ,all PVP players care about is riding their mount and large fights,that needs zero game content to achieve.So if MO has at least the same 3 combat modes,witch i could hardly see how it could be any worse,it should satisfy you people or not?Personally DF's combat system would bore the heck out of me in one day,i think MO should be able to surpass that PVP combat easily,even if the game is not ready. The main site says the game is releasing open beta not going gold?says feb1 st =open beta.Ok i understand what they are doing,very smart,they are going to go live the at the same time,this is smart because it means there will be more players,more developers should use this same strategy.Except there is one very funny part,they call it OPEN BETA at release lol,how do you release a BETA lol.
we all want more content it will come as long as the game stays alive. ITs not release.
Open beta is part of the release process thats all. how long this open beta will last WE dont know yet
The poswt does state that this is not the GOLD release of the game and that the subscriptions do not start until it reaches the GOLD status.
I read that as you will not be billed monthly until 30 days AFTER it is categorized a GOLD status.
If I am wrong then so be it, otherwise it does not seem like a bad thing for those who have already purchased the game. I may give it a try some time in Mid Feb to see if it is worthwhile and then keep an eye on it.
Henrik said in IRC that it will take a few days for the OB and then the game will go gold.
I call BS. i need proof. my clan hasnt seen anything from henrik and they been on all day so i call BS atm
Originally posted by HerculesSAS That really says it all. The sad thing is, that people getting the core features in the game seem happy, the unfortunate thing is barely 50% of them work at all.
About the core features being in the game, they are there. They don't all work 100% but they are there.
That really says it all. The sad thing is, that people getting the core features in the game seem happy, the unfortunate thing is barely 50% of them work at all.
No that doesn't say it all, the game is still in beta and everything isn't perfect. I diddn't write that meaning the systems are barely 50% those are your words.
Long time ago they said what the core features were going to be and they have added them. Some of these features still need to be worked on before they release the game, but MO isn't bad like you seem to imply.
mmmh ., .easy is easy., OB is on. try it experiment with it, dont expect quests or similars its a unfinished game, some will like it (like i do) some will dont, some will return 6 months later and will have something to compare to, so easy.,.,., try it or dont.
But if we get intto complicated things, i would say, SV are not behaving very professional like i have readed, well they are not, they are noobs (a word i have not heard ingame, cant say same about any other mmo) and anyhow i find they will launch a game in similar state/coditions as those named professional companyies (aka unpolished, unfinished, undelivered boxes, bugs, so on, some of these are imo inevitable but anyhow lets keep moving). Another thing of why im happy to say these devs might not be very professional, is that they are not doing the typical MMO as all big companyies do. So comunity seems to enjoy a original and inmersive world where u can do almost what u want, all that matters imo, and here we are back to easy things, join or dont.
Had to post this... if people think that SV is the only compant that shipped a beta cd, think again.
Sad thing is, 2 of them still update to the latest client... LOL
haha nice man
them companys are much bigger than SV. Sv should have waited until they had a working patcher but meh
Everquest was released in 1999 when 90% of people where still using a 56k, if you're trying to be clever you've failed.
i wonder why everquest sent the game then cause of the 56k it would have been impossible to get the whole client on 56k or taken to damn long. and Sv is learning as they go. people dont understand this and i dont see a big deal as long as they get a release dvd.
This is exactly why I've been waiting to buy it. I'm unimpressed with what I see so far and I refuse to pay for a game to play an alpha version, or even a beta version. Lets hope that when the open beta starts, that the flood gates open with all the content that was previously unpublished.
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This is exactly why I've been waiting to buy it. I'm unimpressed with what I see so far and I refuse to pay for a game to play an alpha version, or even a beta version. Lets hope that when the open beta starts, that the flood gates open with all the content that was previously unpublished.
think it will be added and bug fixes during open beta. like i said i think Ob will be 2 weeks or longer. at least thats the vibe we are getting in irc
This is exactly why I've been waiting to buy it. I'm unimpressed with what I see so far and I refuse to pay for a game to play an alpha version, or even a beta version. Lets hope that when the open beta starts, that the flood gates open with all the content that was previously unpublished.
think it will be added and bug fixes during open beta. like i said i think Ob will be 2 weeks or longer. at least thats the vibe we are getting in irc
Originally posted by rlmccoy1987 Originally posted by downtoearth Originally posted by Mystic_Fuzz This is exactly why I've been waiting to buy it. I'm unimpressed with what I see so far and I refuse to pay for a game to play an alpha version, or even a beta version. Lets hope that when the open beta starts, that the flood gates open with all the content that was previously unpublished.
think it will be added and bug fixes during open beta. like i said i think Ob will be 2 weeks or longer. at least thats the vibe we are getting in irc
This is exactly why I've been waiting to buy it. I'm unimpressed with what I see so far and I refuse to pay for a game to play an alpha version, or even a beta version. Lets hope that when the open beta starts, that the flood gates open with all the content that was previously unpublished.
think it will be added and bug fixes during open beta. like i said i think Ob will be 2 weeks or longer. at least thats the vibe we are getting in irc
It won't be 2 weeks.
Yeah it wont be 2 week. More like 3-4!
Doubt it very much, they would not let the public see the bad shape the game is in right now if they could keep it from releasing. It will be a few days to a week at the most.
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1000 subs = 15000 a month income. That's $180,000 per year...
They have 20 employees to pay. They have loans with interest due
The have rent and utilities
They have to pay their billing company... lawyer(s) etc...
Servers.. bandwidth...
They have said they NEED 13,000 subscriptions and that seems a realistic amount to cover the bare minimal costs of operation.
so many ppl here think they understand the economics and all predict the dev to go out of business soon enough, ive seen countless topics dedicated to AoC cause some ex-players were very angry, yet the company is still very much alive despite the numerous claims that they have huge loans/debts etc (but if they bothered to read the financial reports they will see FC has loads of money - money which should go into TSW cause i want that to succeed!! ^^)
also DF, which was in developement for god knows how long, finally released, not too many subs, mass exodus after first month and stabilised since then, yet AV seems in good financial shape.
I didn't predict they go out of business. I simply restated what the developers have said.. that hey needed 13,000 subs as a base to keep functioning. My reply was to someone who said they only needed 1k subs.. which is $180k a year.. obviously way too little revenue to support 20 people and all the rest of the items.
the 13k they have stated is a super low number compared to most other games, but seems like a reasonable minimal amount to generate the revenue to stay alive. If they will GET 13,000 subs is another story.. I honestly don;t know..
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"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
When i look at DF players,i see people who really do not care about content.All i see is people using 3 possible attacks,that is pretty weak and boring,so really what are you PVP people looking for in a game,other than just PVP?
It seems to me ,all PVP players care about is riding their mount and large fights,that needs zero game content to achieve.So if MO has at least the same 3 combat modes,witch i could hardly see how it could be any worse,it should satisfy you people or not?Personally DF's combat system would bore the heck out of me in one day,i think MO should be able to surpass that PVP combat easily,even if the game is not ready.
The main site says the game is releasing open beta not going gold?says feb1 st =open beta.Ok i understand what they are doing,very smart,they are going to go live the at the same time,this is smart because it means there will be more players,more developers should use this same strategy.Except there is one very funny part,they call it OPEN BETA at release lol,how do you release a BETA lol.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
That jab at DarkFall was not necessary. Everyone care about content as lack of content will bore any player in this world. And based on what you wrote, you haven't tried the game yet so I suggest you avoid talking about things you clearly have no idea what they are.
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Back to subject though, I'd love to join MO Open Beta, but as I am aware of the current state of the game, I'd rather wait a few more months for StarVault to get their things together and fix most of the issues. I'm guessing this "Open Beta" will create even more issue server-wise so it won't be pretty.....and you all know what happened to DarkFall when it launched.....
I just hope Mortal Online won't be a flop and actually survive the first few months until StarVault fix the many issues (and/or add a Free Trial).
As for those who plan to download the game on Feb. 1st, don't cry and leave because the game is buggy, give the game a chance.
lol It really does look like they are selling an Open Beta from this picture
New picture on the front page of mortalonline.com now
we all want more content it will come as long as the game stays alive. ITs not release.
Open beta is part of the release process thats all. how long this open beta will last WE dont know yet
Henrik said in IRC that it will take a few days for the OB and then the game will go gold.
I call BS. i need proof. my clan hasnt seen anything from henrik and they been on all day so i call BS atm
Yep it does, hard to argue with that.
i would say 75% of it works
I call BS. i need proof
Proof? Good luck getting that from SV... heh. Let me know if you do though!
BTW- when it goes "Gold" in a week or so will you come back and admit that you were misled?
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"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
I call BS. i need proof
Proof? Good luck getting that from SV... heh. Let me know if you do though!
BTW- when it goes "Gold" in a week or so will you come back and admit that you were misled?
noone told me that all im saying is open beta could last longer than that if it doesnt well we are in for a rough release
See.... we CAN agree on some things!
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"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
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That really says it all. The sad thing is, that people getting the core features in the game seem happy, the unfortunate thing is barely 50% of them work at all.
No that doesn't say it all, the game is still in beta and everything isn't perfect. I diddn't write that meaning the systems are barely 50% those are your words.
Long time ago they said what the core features were going to be and they have added them. Some of these features still need to be worked on before they release the game, but MO isn't bad like you seem to imply.
My sig is just as logical as your posts are
Nice to see an honest company who deliver what they say that they will deliver and letting everyone try the game before spending money on it!
Good luck SV even if I dont really care for the game!
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mmmh ., .easy is easy., OB is on. try it experiment with it, dont expect quests or similars its a unfinished game, some will like it (like i do) some will dont, some will return 6 months later and will have something to compare to, so easy.,.,., try it or dont.
But if we get intto complicated things, i would say, SV are not behaving very professional like i have readed, well they are not, they are noobs (a word i have not heard ingame, cant say same about any other mmo) and anyhow i find they will launch a game in similar state/coditions as those named professional companyies (aka unpolished, unfinished, undelivered boxes, bugs, so on, some of these are imo inevitable but anyhow lets keep moving). Another thing of why im happy to say these devs might not be very professional, is that they are not doing the typical MMO as all big companyies do. So comunity seems to enjoy a original and inmersive world where u can do almost what u want, all that matters imo, and here we are back to easy things, join or dont.
Had to post this... if people think that SV is the only compant that shipped a beta cd, think again.
Sad thing is, 2 of them still update to the latest client... LOL
haha nice man
haha nice man
them companys are much bigger than SV. Sv should have waited until they had a working patcher but meh
haha nice man
them companys are much bigger than SV. Sv should have waited until they had a working patcher but meh
Everquest was released in 1999 when 90% of people where still using a 56k, if you're trying to be clever you've failed.
haha nice man
them companys are much bigger than SV. Sv should have waited until they had a working patcher but meh
Everquest was released in 1999 when 90% of people where still using a 56k, if you're trying to be clever you've failed.
i wonder why everquest sent the game then cause of the 56k it would have been impossible to get the whole client on 56k or taken to damn long. and Sv is learning as they go. people dont understand this and i dont see a big deal as long as they get a release dvd.
This is exactly why I've been waiting to buy it. I'm unimpressed with what I see so far and I refuse to pay for a game to play an alpha version, or even a beta version. Lets hope that when the open beta starts, that the flood gates open with all the content that was previously unpublished.
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think it will be added and bug fixes during open beta. like i said i think Ob will be 2 weeks or longer. at least thats the vibe we are getting in irc
think it will be added and bug fixes during open beta. like i said i think Ob will be 2 weeks or longer. at least thats the vibe we are getting in irc
It won't be 2 weeks.
think it will be added and bug fixes during open beta. like i said i think Ob will be 2 weeks or longer. at least thats the vibe we are getting in irc
It won't be 2 weeks.
Yeah it wont be 2 week. More like 3-4!
think it will be added and bug fixes during open beta. like i said i think Ob will be 2 weeks or longer. at least thats the vibe we are getting in irc
It won't be 2 weeks.
Yeah it wont be 2 week. More like 3-4!
Doubt it very much, they would not let the public see the bad shape the game is in right now if they could keep it from releasing. It will be a few days to a week at the most.