I've no sympathy. If you enjoy the product then pay for it.
Refusing to pay merly forces them to find other undesirable methods.
Being Turbine recently claimed a 500% increase in profits and a doubling of subscriptions I would say your statement is wrong. This was greed if their claims of increases are true.
Considering the game wasnt profitable before -- a 500% increase may in fact be very little once development costs, maintenance, and bandwidth are factored in. 500% of $1 is only $5. If you spend 3 of that on lunch, your profit isnt $4, its 2 -- and how long were you making only $1. There may be a significant amount of debt preexisting.
None of which is an excuse to do what they did. WHile I agree a 500% increase could be very little, Turbine is the ones making the claim. If they felt the need to brag then I really doubt 500% was very little money.
So they goofed a bit. It happens. DDO is their first foray into the Free to Play sphere. Their experience here is likely very limited -- some marketing douche who doesnt even know how to operate Windows 95 probably thought up the idea and sold it to management blithely unaware of the consequences. Youre asking Turbine, a pay to play company, to have Free to Play connections on par with Perfect World or Changyou when Free to Play is not part of their native business model. Its an arena theyre growing into.
I am going to excuse Turbine, because 48 hours is a damn fast response time when you think about it. Day 1, product is released. Day 2, data gathered suggests product is no good. Management has a meeting, and cancels the product. Management has to let all those sponsors know its not happening before pullng the plug, or get in legal trouble! The fact that they did it in 48 hours shows alot of awareness on their part on the behalf of their community.
In short, relax. Have a beer. They messed up, but they are paying attention.
It shows a complete lack of testing, QA and leadership. They spent over a year preparing for F2P, your excuses for them are a disservice at best.
They did not have to let all those sponsors know anything. All those offers go through one company SuperRewards. There is no dealing with the individual companies involved. DO your research.
Someone posted a response in a forum recently that said "The MMO Industry has gone into the gutter" or something like that. I am beginning to believe that person has a valid point. Sloppy business practices are becoming all too common.
Companies really need to stop looking for ways to monetize their games and focus on making better games.
Absolutely correct.
Where as I agree that companies need to do their research and find better, less unscrupulous ways to monetize their games, saying that they should "focus on making better games" seems to be an ignorant statement, spouted by a gamer with little to no knowledge, save what little fantasy world anecdotes they were able to siphon off the internet, about gaming companies and how games are developed.
A "better game" is a concept with no concrete foundation. What one person finds to be a "better game" can be received by thousands as a travesty of gaming and utter crap. How do you quantify a "better game" when the community that consumes the game is so divided and split amongst itself? Theme park vs Sandbox, PvE vs PvP, Open world vs Instanced, Substance vs Glitz, all these raging debates between the consumers of the game make it nearly impossible to define a "better game" and have that definition accepted across the board by the community at large.
Game companies have to cater to a subset of the gaming population, a target audience, and stay true to them. This does not mean that their game will be seen as "better" by the community at large, but their target audience should have a fairly high approvial rating as a general rule. However this also means that a game company will need to monetize their game appropriately in order to achieve the neccessary revenue to continue to support the game, as well as continue development on new content and patches for their target audience to enjoy.
Monetization, or at the very least increasing revenue streams, is a mainstay of every single service and product consumed throughout the world. Every company tries to find ways to increase their revenue stream, many by using different forms of monetization and marketing. Game companies are no different, and to begrudge them the ability to do this would limit the offerings available to the gaming community. High dollar companies such as Blizzard and EA would be in the group of companies that would be able to afford to make games without using alternate forms of revenue generation. Smaller gaming companies would have a hard time competing, and indy companies would be few and far betweem. We'd end up with a lot of games catering to the masses, IE: WoW, and very few new innovative titles and concepts coming from pioneers looking to further the genre.
Though I do agree that finding better ways of increasing revenue streams is the appropriate thing to do, and getting into bed with a well known company such as SuperRewards, limits Turbines ability to say "oops our mistake. We didn't know". Their attempt to make money, which gives them the ability to keep development teams together and strive for the whole "better game" concept, is not a poor or unrealistic one.
I've no sympathy. If you enjoy the product then pay for it.
Refusing to pay merly forces them to find other undesirable methods.
Being Turbine recently claimed a 500% increase in profits and a doubling of subscriptions I would say your statement is wrong. This was greed if their claims of increases are true.
Considering the game wasnt profitable before -- a 500% increase may in fact be very little once development costs, maintenance, and bandwidth are factored in. 500% of $1 is only $5. If you spend 3 of that on lunch, your profit isnt $4, its 2 -- and how long were you making only $1. There may be a significant amount of debt preexisting.
None of which is an excuse to do what they did. WHile I agree a 500% increase could be very little, Turbine is the ones making the claim. If they felt the need to brag then I really doubt 500% was very little money.
So they goofed a bit. It happens. DDO is their first foray into the Free to Play sphere. Their experience here is likely very limited -- some marketing douche who doesnt even know how to operate Windows 95 probably thought up the idea and sold it to management blithely unaware of the consequences. Youre asking Turbine, a pay to play company, to have Free to Play connections on par with Perfect World or Changyou when Free to Play is not part of their native business model. Its an arena theyre growing into.
I am going to excuse Turbine, because 48 hours is a damn fast response time when you think about it. Day 1, product is released. Day 2, data gathered suggests product is no good. Management has a meeting, and cancels the product. Management has to let all those sponsors know its not happening before pullng the plug, or get in legal trouble! The fact that they did it in 48 hours shows alot of awareness on their part on the behalf of their community.
In short, relax. Have a beer. They messed up, but they are paying attention.
It shows a complete lack of testing, QA and leadership. They spent over a year preparing for F2P, your excuses for them are a disservice at best.
They did not have to let all those sponsors know anything. All those offers go through one company SuperRewards. There is no dealing with the individual companies involved. DO your research.
I have a better idea. How about you take a valium before you have yourself an aneurysm. You are getting far too upset about this. Theyve taken action. All your whining suggests you are looking for a payout.
I have a better idea. How about you take a valium before you have yourself an aneurysm. You are getting far too upset about this. Theyve taken action. All your whining suggests you are looking for a payout.
Your defense of them suggests something as well.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
I have a better idea. How about you take a valium before you have yourself an aneurysm. You are getting far too upset about this. Theyve taken action. All your whining suggests you are looking for a payout.
Your defense of them suggests something as well.
Oh really? What does it suggest?
Is this the part where some amateur conspiracy theorist straps on his tin foil hat and says Im working for Turbine on some level? Im not. I played Asherons Call 1 and 2. I also play DDO, but not often -- maybe once or twice a month.
Please, continue. What does my defense suggest?
Edit -- I'll tell you what it suggests. It suggests that I sometimes think that the gaming community is full of a bunch of whining kids and unemployed 20 somethings living in moms basement or spending student loan money on game subscriptions instead of on their degrees! In short -- it suggests that I think some of you need to grow the f- up.
Companies really need to stop looking for ways to monetize their games and focus on making better games.
Absolutely correct.
Where as I agree that companies need to do their research and find better, less unscrupulous ways to monetize their games, saying that they should "focus on making better games" seems to be an ignorant statement, spouted by a gamer with little to no knowledge, save what little fantasy world anecdotes they were able to siphon off the internet, about gaming companies and how games are developed.
A "better game" is a concept with no concrete foundation. What one person finds to be a "better game" can be received by thousands as a travesty of gaming and utter crap. How do you quantify a "better game" when the community that consumes the game is so divided and split amongst itself? Theme park vs Sandbox, PvE vs PvP, Open world vs Instanced, Substance vs Glitz, all these raging debates between the consumers of the game make it nearly impossible to define a "better game" and have that definition accepted across the board by the community at large.
Game companies have to cater to a subset of the gaming population, a target audience, and stay true to them. This does not mean that their game will be seen as "better" by the community at large, but their target audience should have a fairly high approvial rating as a general rule. However this also means that a game company will need to monetize their game appropriately in order to achieve the neccessary revenue to continue to support the game, as well as continue development on new content and patches for their target audience to enjoy.
Monetization, or at the very least increasing revenue streams, is a mainstay of every single service and product consumed throughout the world. Every company tries to find ways to increase their revenue stream, many by using different forms of monetization and marketing. Game companies are no different, and to begrudge them the ability to do this would limit the offerings available to the gaming community. High dollar companies such as Blizzard and EA would be in the group of companies that would be able to afford to make games without using alternate forms of revenue generation. Smaller gaming companies would have a hard time competing, and indy companies would be few and far betweem. We'd end up with a lot of games catering to the masses, IE: WoW, and very few new innovative titles and concepts coming from pioneers looking to further the genre.
Though I do agree that finding better ways of increasing revenue streams is the appropriate thing to do, and getting into bed with a well known company such as SuperRewards, limits Turbines ability to say "oops our mistake. We didn't know". Their attempt to make money, which gives them the ability to keep development teams together and strive for the whole "better game" concept, is not a poor or unrealistic one.
The word better could refer to gameplay concepts as you chose to see it. Then again it might just refer to the shoddy incomplete bug filled condition that most mmo releases the last several years have suffered and resulted in massive failures.
I'm fairly certain even an ignorant person like myself can see where companies need to be better at making their games if they want a chance to survice. Looking around I see plenty of games that have massive potential in their design, but compeltely fall short in their delivery, but thanks for your insight.
Turbine is anything but innocent. Look what happened with LotRo.
They spend 4 years advertising a sandbox game called Middle Earth Online, showing it off at conventions, inviting players in to alpha test it. Then 8 months from launch they completely change the game to be a linear WoW clone, and rename it LotRO.
You should have seen the storm on the forums. Thousands left, but they made those numbers back by appealing to the WoW crowd.
And this is just BS. You actually believe that story yourself?
If WoW = The Beatles and WAR = Led Zeppelin Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
I've no sympathy. If you enjoy the product then pay for it.
Refusing to pay merly forces them to find other undesirable methods.
Being Turbine recently claimed a 500% increase in profits and a doubling of subscriptions I would say your statement is wrong. This was greed if their claims of increases are true.
Considering the game wasnt profitable before -- a 500% increase may in fact be very little once development costs, maintenance, and bandwidth are factored in. 500% of $1 is only $5. If you spend 3 of that on lunch, your profit isnt $4, its 2 -- and how long were you making only $1. There may be a significant amount of debt preexisting.
None of which is an excuse to do what they did. WHile I agree a 500% increase could be very little, Turbine is the ones making the claim. If they felt the need to brag then I really doubt 500% was very little money.
So they goofed a bit. It happens. DDO is their first foray into the Free to Play sphere. Their experience here is likely very limited -- some marketing douche who doesnt even know how to operate Windows 95 probably thought up the idea and sold it to management blithely unaware of the consequences. Youre asking Turbine, a pay to play company, to have Free to Play connections on par with Perfect World or Changyou when Free to Play is not part of their native business model. Its an arena theyre growing into.
I am going to excuse Turbine, because 48 hours is a damn fast response time when you think about it. Day 1, product is released. Day 2, data gathered suggests product is no good. Management has a meeting, and cancels the product. Management has to let all those sponsors know its not happening before pullng the plug, or get in legal trouble! The fact that they did it in 48 hours shows alot of awareness on their part on the behalf of their community.
In short, relax. Have a beer. They messed up, but they are paying attention.
It shows a complete lack of testing, QA and leadership. They spent over a year preparing for F2P, your excuses for them are a disservice at best.
They did not have to let all those sponsors know anything. All those offers go through one company SuperRewards. There is no dealing with the individual companies involved. DO your research.
I have a better idea. How about you take a valium before you have yourself an aneurysm. You are getting far too upset about this. Theyve taken action. All your whining suggests you are looking for a payout.
A payout? I have not even come close to such a suggestion nor am I interested. I highly doubt I will have any health problems over this, but thank you for your concern.
I see when confronted by logic you go for the insults, way to promote your side of the discussion, bravo my good man. I have a better idea for you, research and learn then come back.
I have a better idea. How about you take a valium before you have yourself an aneurysm. You are getting far too upset about this. Theyve taken action. All your whining suggests you are looking for a payout.
Your defense of them suggests something as well.
Oh really? What does it suggest?
Is this the part where some amateur conspiracy theorist straps on his tin foil hat and says Im working for Turbine on some level? Im not. I played Asherons Call 1 and 2. I also play DDO, but not often -- maybe once or twice a month.
Please, continue. What does my defense suggest?
Edit -- I'll tell you what it suggests. It suggests that I sometimes think that the gaming community is full of a bunch of whining kids and unemployed 20 somethings living in moms basement or spending student loan money on game subscriptions instead of on their degrees! In short -- it suggests that I think some of you need to grow the f- up.
Your defense suggests you know nothing of what was going on. Your insults of the community at large are laughable, typical of the type who defend but do no research into what they are defending. It makes your stance on the subject one that few will side with because you do not know the topic at hand.
You might want to look in the mirror and do as you suggest to others, the growing up part.
Originally posted by Gardavil2 I expect a MMO Company that I am a customer of to have the customer's best interests at the heart of all decisions that company makes.
I hope you have a time machine. It doesn't work like that anymore. Welcome to the new capitalism .. hell .. i'm not really sure capitalism was ever about fairness. It didn pretend to be rather well for a time though.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity. I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
Somehow... just somehow... when I read that Turbine reversed their decision, I knew they wouldn't get any gratitude or respect.
"Yeah, they changed their minds, but only because we got mad at them!" or "They took far too long, they should've realized it .051243 seconds after they made the decision!" or "They cancelled Middle Earth Online and turned it into a WoW clone!" Of course, the latter has no bearing on the DDO situation, but some lame old farts like to bring it up anyways.
It's sad but expected.
Edit: I suppose they were testing the waters, the same thing politicians do every time you read "leaked" government news about a new bill or policy in the works. Obviously, the response was negative, so they reversed their decision. No big deal, everyone has a bad idea every once in a while. It didn't go through, that's the point. More than I can say for other bad policies that affect entire countries rather than one MMO.
No because if they did, they'd never have the idea in the first place. Also, if they did, they'd have the perfect game and everyone would love it and they'd pay the people to play instead of the other way around and they'd have every good feature from other MMOs and they'd stick to the DDO lore to the letter and even when the community disagreed, they'd somehow please both sides.
Somehow... just somehow... when I read that Turbine reversed their decision, I knew they wouldn't get any gratitude or respect.
"Yeah, they changed their minds, but only because we got mad at them!" or "They took far too long, they should've realized it .051243 seconds after they made the decision!" or "They cancelled Middle Earth Online and turned it into a WoW clone!" Of course, the latter has no bearing on the DDO situation, but some lame old farts like to bring it up anyways.
It's sad but expected.
Gratitude or respect? They get applauded for doing right, after doing wrong. What exactly do you expect people to do? Has society dropped their expectations so low that we should all suck up to a company that tried to screw people and then got caught? Seriously if they did not lose customers over this they got all the gratitude they deserve.
Edit: responding to your edit. Except this idea did go through and anyone who clicked on the link TURBINE provided had their email and DDO login name given to a shady company known to sell this information to other parties. The offerwall itself if done right could be a source of income for Turbine, the fact that peoples login, which is information Turbine tells YOU to never give ANYONE, were sent out is the part most have issue with, Equating this to politicians is useless. One has nothing to do with the other and is simply obfuscating the facts with BS.
This goes a little further than just a company having a "bad idea". Something like this isn't a bad nerf to a class or a patch that crashes the servers for a few hours. This is something that breaks the bonds of trust and that is something hard to repair.
The whole offer wall was something that was done haphazardly and without regard or respect to their customers well being that can have long term negative affects. Turbine is a sizable/tech savy enough company that they should have known better that to go so blindly into an arangement like this without researching the possible pitfalls. Why it was left up to the players to explain after the fact how poor this decision was is just incredible.
It isn't the end of the word, but it does rank among rather high among the premiere stupid ideas from an mmo company.
This probably goes in the top three fiascos in this genre right next to such achievements like Turbine's Asheron's Call 2 closure almost immediately after the release of paid boxed expansion, and SoE's NGE.
I have a better idea. How about you take a valium before you have yourself an aneurysm. You are getting far too upset about this. Theyve taken action. All your whining suggests you are looking for a payout.
Your defense of them suggests something as well.
Oh really? What does it suggest?
Is this the part where some amateur conspiracy theorist straps on his tin foil hat and says Im working for Turbine on some level? Im not. I played Asherons Call 1 and 2. I also play DDO, but not often -- maybe once or twice a month.
Please, continue. What does my defense suggest?
Edit -- I'll tell you what it suggests. It suggests that I sometimes think that the gaming community is full of a bunch of whining kids and unemployed 20 somethings living in moms basement or spending student loan money on game subscriptions instead of on their degrees! In short -- it suggests that I think some of you need to grow the f- up.
Your defense suggests you know nothing of what was going on. Your insults of the community at large are laughable, typical of the type who defend but do no research into what they are defending. It makes your stance on the subject one that few will side with because you do not know the topic at hand.
You might want to look in the mirror and do as you suggest to others, the growing up part.
Oh thats rather funny. Because Im not flying off the handle, trashing a game company left and right, and crying foul I must not know whats going on, and must somehow have something wrong with me. Meh, I'll leave the trolls here who want to complain to their thread. Complaining seems to be about all theyre truly interested in. If theres any doubt, the nick youve chosen, MMO doubter, speaks volumes as to the intentions posessed by you and those like you. Complain, complain, complain. I'm going to bow out here. Enjoy complaining.
I have a better idea. How about you take a valium before you have yourself an aneurysm. You are getting far too upset about this. Theyve taken action. All your whining suggests you are looking for a payout.
Your defense of them suggests something as well.
Oh really? What does it suggest?
Is this the part where some amateur conspiracy theorist straps on his tin foil hat and says Im working for Turbine on some level? Im not. I played Asherons Call 1 and 2. I also play DDO, but not often -- maybe once or twice a month.
Please, continue. What does my defense suggest?
Edit -- I'll tell you what it suggests. It suggests that I sometimes think that the gaming community is full of a bunch of whining kids and unemployed 20 somethings living in moms basement or spending student loan money on game subscriptions instead of on their degrees! In short -- it suggests that I think some of you need to grow the f- up.
Your defense suggests you know nothing of what was going on. Your insults of the community at large are laughable, typical of the type who defend but do no research into what they are defending. It makes your stance on the subject one that few will side with because you do not know the topic at hand.
You might want to look in the mirror and do as you suggest to others, the growing up part.
Oh thats rather funny. Because Im not flying off the handle, trashing a game company left and right, and crying foul I must not know whats going on, and must somehow have something wrong with me. Meh, I'll leave the trolls here who want to complain to their thread. Complaining seems to be about all theyre truly interested in. If theres any doubt, the nick youve chosen, MMO doubter, speaks volumes as to the intentions posessed by you and those like you. Complain, complain, complain. I'm going to bow out here. Enjoy complaining.
You quote me but call me by someone else MMORPG nickname and I am supposed to think you understand what was going on in DDO and with Turbine on this subject? Sorry but such obvious mistakes make it hard to think you are as studious as you try to portray. You admit you rarely play DDO, so I doubt your would have all the up to date knowledge of a regular player and forum goer. I am sorry you found it insulting that I questioned your knowledge on this subject.
I guess you missed the part where your own actions were to insult and suggest the community had something wrong with it. You did read your own post right? Your own posts were full of troll and lack of knowledge. None of these are my fault, your posts made it quite clear you had an agenda. I doubt you work for Turbine, I am sure they have some standards.
You are right you are not going off the handle complaining about Turbine, you are going off the handle insulting me and other members who have a valid complaint. Yes you should probably be nominated for Sainthood with your educated and calm replies. I may call the church myself and recommend you.
I thoroughly enjoy DDO and have been subscribing for a while now. I have no clue what this person is talking about.
DDO is a fun game, nuff said.
Amen.
please keep religious posts out of this thread. If you have some opinion to give feel free. Your amen here is kind of silly, since the person you quoted obviously missed the entire subject the thread was about. Or maybe you were agreeing that you too had no clue?
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It shows a complete lack of testing, QA and leadership. They spent over a year preparing for F2P, your excuses for them are a disservice at best.
They did not have to let all those sponsors know anything. All those offers go through one company SuperRewards. There is no dealing with the individual companies involved. DO your research.
Absolutely correct.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3494768#3494768
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Where as I agree that companies need to do their research and find better, less unscrupulous ways to monetize their games, saying that they should "focus on making better games" seems to be an ignorant statement, spouted by a gamer with little to no knowledge, save what little fantasy world anecdotes they were able to siphon off the internet, about gaming companies and how games are developed.
A "better game" is a concept with no concrete foundation. What one person finds to be a "better game" can be received by thousands as a travesty of gaming and utter crap. How do you quantify a "better game" when the community that consumes the game is so divided and split amongst itself? Theme park vs Sandbox, PvE vs PvP, Open world vs Instanced, Substance vs Glitz, all these raging debates between the consumers of the game make it nearly impossible to define a "better game" and have that definition accepted across the board by the community at large.
Game companies have to cater to a subset of the gaming population, a target audience, and stay true to them. This does not mean that their game will be seen as "better" by the community at large, but their target audience should have a fairly high approvial rating as a general rule. However this also means that a game company will need to monetize their game appropriately in order to achieve the neccessary revenue to continue to support the game, as well as continue development on new content and patches for their target audience to enjoy.
Monetization, or at the very least increasing revenue streams, is a mainstay of every single service and product consumed throughout the world. Every company tries to find ways to increase their revenue stream, many by using different forms of monetization and marketing. Game companies are no different, and to begrudge them the ability to do this would limit the offerings available to the gaming community. High dollar companies such as Blizzard and EA would be in the group of companies that would be able to afford to make games without using alternate forms of revenue generation. Smaller gaming companies would have a hard time competing, and indy companies would be few and far betweem. We'd end up with a lot of games catering to the masses, IE: WoW, and very few new innovative titles and concepts coming from pioneers looking to further the genre.
Though I do agree that finding better ways of increasing revenue streams is the appropriate thing to do, and getting into bed with a well known company such as SuperRewards, limits Turbines ability to say "oops our mistake. We didn't know". Their attempt to make money, which gives them the ability to keep development teams together and strive for the whole "better game" concept, is not a poor or unrealistic one.
I have a better idea. How about you take a valium before you have yourself an aneurysm. You are getting far too upset about this. Theyve taken action. All your whining suggests you are looking for a payout.
Laudanum - Romance. Revenge. Revolution.
Crappy, petty people breed and raise crappy, petty kids.
Your defense of them suggests something as well.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Oh really? What does it suggest?
Is this the part where some amateur conspiracy theorist straps on his tin foil hat and says Im working for Turbine on some level? Im not. I played Asherons Call 1 and 2. I also play DDO, but not often -- maybe once or twice a month.
Please, continue. What does my defense suggest?
Edit -- I'll tell you what it suggests. It suggests that I sometimes think that the gaming community is full of a bunch of whining kids and unemployed 20 somethings living in moms basement or spending student loan money on game subscriptions instead of on their degrees! In short -- it suggests that I think some of you need to grow the f- up.
Laudanum - Romance. Revenge. Revolution.
Crappy, petty people breed and raise crappy, petty kids.
The word better could refer to gameplay concepts as you chose to see it. Then again it might just refer to the shoddy incomplete bug filled condition that most mmo releases the last several years have suffered and resulted in massive failures.
I'm fairly certain even an ignorant person like myself can see where companies need to be better at making their games if they want a chance to survice. Looking around I see plenty of games that have massive potential in their design, but compeltely fall short in their delivery, but thanks for your insight.
And this is just BS. You actually believe that story yourself?
If WoW = The Beatles
and WAR = Led Zeppelin
Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
A payout? I have not even come close to such a suggestion nor am I interested. I highly doubt I will have any health problems over this, but thank you for your concern.
I see when confronted by logic you go for the insults, way to promote your side of the discussion, bravo my good man. I have a better idea for you, research and learn then come back.
Your defense suggests you know nothing of what was going on. Your insults of the community at large are laughable, typical of the type who defend but do no research into what they are defending. It makes your stance on the subject one that few will side with because you do not know the topic at hand.
You might want to look in the mirror and do as you suggest to others, the growing up part.
I hope you have a time machine. It doesn't work like that anymore. Welcome to the new capitalism .. hell .. i'm not really sure capitalism was ever about fairness. It didn pretend to be rather well for a time though.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
This is the most ridiculous thing a professional company ever did, astonishing.
REALITY CHECK
Somehow... just somehow... when I read that Turbine reversed their decision, I knew they wouldn't get any gratitude or respect.
"Yeah, they changed their minds, but only because we got mad at them!" or "They took far too long, they should've realized it .051243 seconds after they made the decision!" or "They cancelled Middle Earth Online and turned it into a WoW clone!" Of course, the latter has no bearing on the DDO situation, but some lame old farts like to bring it up anyways.
It's sad but expected.
Edit: I suppose they were testing the waters, the same thing politicians do every time you read "leaked" government news about a new bill or policy in the works. Obviously, the response was negative, so they reversed their decision. No big deal, everyone has a bad idea every once in a while. It didn't go through, that's the point. More than I can say for other bad policies that affect entire countries rather than one MMO.
Just in! TURBINE LISTENS TO THEIR COMMUNITY
No because if they did, they'd never have the idea in the first place. Also, if they did, they'd have the perfect game and everyone would love it and they'd pay the people to play instead of the other way around and they'd have every good feature from other MMOs and they'd stick to the DDO lore to the letter and even when the community disagreed, they'd somehow please both sides.
Gratitude or respect? They get applauded for doing right, after doing wrong. What exactly do you expect people to do? Has society dropped their expectations so low that we should all suck up to a company that tried to screw people and then got caught? Seriously if they did not lose customers over this they got all the gratitude they deserve.
Edit: responding to your edit. Except this idea did go through and anyone who clicked on the link TURBINE provided had their email and DDO login name given to a shady company known to sell this information to other parties. The offerwall itself if done right could be a source of income for Turbine, the fact that peoples login, which is information Turbine tells YOU to never give ANYONE, were sent out is the part most have issue with, Equating this to politicians is useless. One has nothing to do with the other and is simply obfuscating the facts with BS.
This goes a little further than just a company having a "bad idea". Something like this isn't a bad nerf to a class or a patch that crashes the servers for a few hours. This is something that breaks the bonds of trust and that is something hard to repair.
The whole offer wall was something that was done haphazardly and without regard or respect to their customers well being that can have long term negative affects. Turbine is a sizable/tech savy enough company that they should have known better that to go so blindly into an arangement like this without researching the possible pitfalls. Why it was left up to the players to explain after the fact how poor this decision was is just incredible.
It isn't the end of the word, but it does rank among rather high among the premiere stupid ideas from an mmo company.
This probably goes in the top three fiascos in this genre right next to such achievements like Turbine's Asheron's Call 2 closure almost immediately after the release of paid boxed expansion, and SoE's NGE.
REALITY CHECK
Oh thats rather funny. Because Im not flying off the handle, trashing a game company left and right, and crying foul I must not know whats going on, and must somehow have something wrong with me. Meh, I'll leave the trolls here who want to complain to their thread. Complaining seems to be about all theyre truly interested in. If theres any doubt, the nick youve chosen, MMO doubter, speaks volumes as to the intentions posessed by you and those like you. Complain, complain, complain. I'm going to bow out here. Enjoy complaining.
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Crappy, petty people breed and raise crappy, petty kids.
You quote me but call me by someone else MMORPG nickname and I am supposed to think you understand what was going on in DDO and with Turbine on this subject? Sorry but such obvious mistakes make it hard to think you are as studious as you try to portray. You admit you rarely play DDO, so I doubt your would have all the up to date knowledge of a regular player and forum goer. I am sorry you found it insulting that I questioned your knowledge on this subject.
I guess you missed the part where your own actions were to insult and suggest the community had something wrong with it. You did read your own post right? Your own posts were full of troll and lack of knowledge. None of these are my fault, your posts made it quite clear you had an agenda. I doubt you work for Turbine, I am sure they have some standards.
You are right you are not going off the handle complaining about Turbine, you are going off the handle insulting me and other members who have a valid complaint. Yes you should probably be nominated for Sainthood with your educated and calm replies. I may call the church myself and recommend you.
Amen.
please keep religious posts out of this thread. If you have some opinion to give feel free. Your amen here is kind of silly, since the person you quoted obviously missed the entire subject the thread was about. Or maybe you were agreeing that you too had no clue?