Actually I think you have misunderstood, which I find kind of hard considering how I have been replying. I am not defending my investment at all. My investment has nothing to do with this. If the game shut down tomorrow, oh well, I am out of some money. I will deal with it. your tone, and others doesn't just talk about this being a shoddy product, your tone is very vindictive and IMO downright spiteful. You guys seem hell bent to be trying your best to destroy the company that made the game that you dont like.
So just as you say that I dont get it, This is the one part I dont get. When I get done with a game, I move on, I dont stick around complaining about what new bonehead move the company has done now. I don't feel the need to try and ruin a company simply because I didn't like what they did to a game. Even my hatred for SOE management has been rarely spread around. So yeah, this may be the one part I 'dont get'.
Cryptic seems to be doing a pretty good job of destroying itself lately it seems.
How do you know what we are doing? All i see is you putting words in our mouth and calling it fact. The only people hurting Cryptic is Cryptic. respect is earned-go shout at cryptic and tell them to do right by their player base instead of nickle and diming them to death and then we can talk.
My Statement stands this game is nothing but a cash grab and only the blind can not see it.
Dont you see Betaboo? You and I and others like us are the ones that just dont "Get it".
No, thats not true. You get it, you just want everything added to the game for free. You think your 15 bucks a month entitles you to absolutely everything they can think of after launch. I have seen people bitch about buying expansion packs. their 15 bucks a month should have covered that. Oh yeah, trust me, I get it.
ER, yeah, actually I do. I play EVE, after paying them my 20.00 sub fee when I started I've had to play nothing else besides my monthly fee despite the game expanding substantially from when I first joined.
I am however actually willing to pay for expansion packs, but draw the line at paying for content on an item by item basis, nor will I accept a marketing model that rewards people for pre-ordering, buying collectors edtions or referrals by giving them items in game that cannot be obtained somehow by a person who plays the game normally. (even if they have to buy it in game from another person)
You want to reward people with free game time for referrals, fine, that's all outside of the game and I could care less. But if you reward them by giving them an item (I don't even tolerate fluff ) that I can't get in game, you've crossed the line and its unnaceptable.
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How do you know what we are doing? All i see is you putting words in our mouth and calling it fact. The only people hurting Cryptic is Cryptic. respect is earned-go shout at cryptic and tell them to do right by their player base instead of nickle and diming them to death and then we can talk.
My Statement stands this game is nothing but a cash grab and only the blind can not see it.
Dont you see Betaboo? You and I and others like us are the ones that just dont "Get it".
No, thats not true. You get it, you just want everything added to the game for free. You think your 15 bucks a month entitles you to absolutely everything they can think of after launch. I have seen people bitch about buying expansion packs. their 15 bucks a month should have covered that. Oh yeah, trust me, I get it.
ER, yeah, actually I do. I play EVE, after paying them my 20.00 sub fee when I started I've had to play nothing else besides my monthly fee despite the game expanding substantially from when I first joined.
I am however actually willing to pay for expansion packs, but draw the line at paying for content on an item by item basis, nor will I accept a marketing model that rewards people for pre-ordering, buying collectors edtions or referrals by giving them items in game that cannot be obtained somehow by a person who plays the game normally. (even if they have to buy it in game from another person)
You want to reward people with free game time for referrals, fine, that's all outside of the game and I could care less. But if you reward them by giving them an item (I don't even tolerate fluff ) that I can't get in game, you've crossed the line and its unnaceptable.
jeebuz... thats the whole point of it. its a special item and meant to be exclusive just like those mounts and pets given by mythic for Warhammer. Sorry but you can't have everything you want in life. i didn't refer War to any friends and didn't get those awesome looking mounts but when i saw other players riding those did i go emo and started kicking and screaming like a child? nope. i thought 'good for them'.
So Cryptic is offering something exclusive as an incentive for their referral plan? You realize every game does this right? Do you guys drink before you start trolling, or do you just deliberatly ingore reality?
Even Mythic did it with Warhammer online. Made exclusive mounts and pets avilable through refer the friend program. So far few hundred only were able to get those and that was the whole point of it. Those were special items. But i guess its only Cryptic which is an evil company right? these forums are hilarious, i always get a good laugh when i read so much nerd rage over trivial things.
What if Blizzard released the Deathknight class as a referal reward?
Theres a big differnce between fluff items and player advantage items.
Please tell me the advantage you are talking about.
Maybe you and August should read the thread or check the official forums. The ship in question isn't just cosmetic fluff.
So Cryptic is offering something exclusive as an incentive for their referral plan? You realize every game does this right? Do you guys drink before you start trolling, or do you just deliberatly ingore reality?
Even Mythic did it with Warhammer online. Made exclusive mounts and pets avilable through refer the friend program. So far few hundred only were able to get those and that was the whole point of it. Those were special items. But i guess its only Cryptic which is an evil company right? these forums are hilarious, i always get a good laugh when i read so much nerd rage over trivial things.
What if Blizzard released the Deathknight class as a referal reward?
Theres a big differnce between fluff items and player advantage items.
Please tell me the advantage you are talking about.
Maybe you and August should read the thread or check the official forums. The ship in question isn't just cosmetic fluff.
So Cryptic is offering something exclusive as an incentive for their referral plan? You realize every game does this right? Do you guys drink before you start trolling, or do you just deliberately ingore reality?
Sure we do. If the "something" being rewarded is free game time, no harm, no foul. But if it involves an in game item, impacting or just fluff they've crossed the line and no, not every game offers exclusive in game items for referrals, far from it in fact.
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How do you know what we are doing? All i see is you putting words in our mouth and calling it fact. The only people hurting Cryptic is Cryptic. respect is earned-go shout at cryptic and tell them to do right by their player base instead of nickle and diming them to death and then we can talk.
My Statement stands this game is nothing but a cash grab and only the blind can not see it.
Dont you see Betaboo? You and I and others like us are the ones that just dont "Get it".
No, thats not true. You get it, you just want everything added to the game for free. You think your 15 bucks a month entitles you to absolutely everything they can think of after launch. I have seen people bitch about buying expansion packs. their 15 bucks a month should have covered that. Oh yeah, trust me, I get it.
ER, yeah, actually I do. I play EVE, after paying them my 20.00 sub fee when I started I've had to play nothing else besides my monthly fee despite the game expanding substantially from when I first joined.
I am however actually willing to pay for expansion packs, but draw the line at paying for content on an item by item basis, nor will I accept a marketing model that rewards people for pre-ordering, buying collectors edtions or referrals by giving them items in game that cannot be obtained somehow by a person who plays the game normally. (even if they have to buy it in game from another person)
You want to reward people with free game time for referrals, fine, that's all outside of the game and I could care less. But if you reward them by giving them an item (I don't even tolerate fluff ) that I can't get in game, you've crossed the line and its unnaceptable.
jeebuz... thats the whole point of it. its a special item and meant to be exclusive just like those mounts and pets given by mythic for Warhammer. Sorry but you can't have everything you want in life. i didn't refer War to any friends and didn't get those awesome looking mounts but when i saw other players riding those did i go emo and started kicking and screaming like a child? nope. i thought 'good for them'.
Way to drag in another fail MMORPG and use it as an examaple. Both groups were wrong, lets stick with the EVE model instead.
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How can ANYONE defend this game or company? Even their own employees have to hide the fact from friends and family they work for Cryptic.
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So Cryptic is offering something exclusive as an incentive for their referral plan? You realize every game does this right? Do you guys drink before you start trolling, or do you just deliberatly ingore reality?
Even Mythic did it with Warhammer online. Made exclusive mounts and pets avilable through refer the friend program. So far few hundred only were able to get those and that was the whole point of it. Those were special items. But i guess its only Cryptic which is an evil company right? these forums are hilarious, i always get a good laugh when i read so much nerd rage over trivial things.
What if Blizzard released the Deathknight class as a referal reward?
Theres a big differnce between fluff items and player advantage items.
Please tell me the advantage you are talking about.
Maybe you and August should read the thread or check the official forums. The ship in question isn't just cosmetic fluff.
I know but i still don't see any big advantage.
big is subjective, but the advantage is there and thats the main point.
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How do you know what we are doing? All i see is you putting words in our mouth and calling it fact. The only people hurting Cryptic is Cryptic. respect is earned-go shout at cryptic and tell them to do right by their player base instead of nickle and diming them to death and then we can talk.
My Statement stands this game is nothing but a cash grab and only the blind can not see it.
Dont you see Betaboo? You and I and others like us are the ones that just dont "Get it".
No, thats not true. You get it, you just want everything added to the game for free. You think your 15 bucks a month entitles you to absolutely everything they can think of after launch. I have seen people bitch about buying expansion packs. their 15 bucks a month should have covered that. Oh yeah, trust me, I get it.
ER, yeah, actually I do. I play EVE, after paying them my 20.00 sub fee when I started I've had to play nothing else besides my monthly fee despite the game expanding substantially from when I first joined.
I am however actually willing to pay for expansion packs, but draw the line at paying for content on an item by item basis, nor will I accept a marketing model that rewards people for pre-ordering, buying collectors edtions or referrals by giving them items in game that cannot be obtained somehow by a person who plays the game normally. (even if they have to buy it in game from another person)
You want to reward people with free game time for referrals, fine, that's all outside of the game and I could care less. But if you reward them by giving them an item (I don't even tolerate fluff ) that I can't get in game, you've crossed the line and its unnaceptable.
jeebuz... thats the whole point of it. its a special item and meant to be exclusive just like those mounts and pets given by mythic for Warhammer. Sorry but you can't have everything you want in life. i didn't refer War to any friends and didn't get those awesome looking mounts but when i saw other players riding those did i go emo and started kicking and screaming like a child? nope. i thought 'good for them'.
Way to drag in another fail MMORPG and use it as an examaple. Both groups were wrong, lets stick with the EVE model instead.
WAR is not fail..maybe it is to you but a lot pf players are enjoying it considering it has more subscribers then EVE. I can say EVE is a fail but it would be pointless to make such assumptions. Also the main point here is that other companies also use same tactics but for some reason people are just ready to lynch Crytpic as if they are some evil incarnation. But way to dodge the main issue by bringing the FAIL discussion.
Another amazing idea from Cryptic it seems... So, not only will a person need to get 5 people to pay for the game, all 5 of them must subscribe after a month..?
Will be very hard for the players to get that ship; not only does STO have a pretty bad reputation and word-of-mouth, theres also not content enough in the game to entertain anyone but a super-duper casual for a month. The "recruiter" will probably have to pay part of the costs himself.
Even worse, Cryptic is probably counting on the diehard fans to actually pay for most of this from their own pocket. And some of them most definitely will do just that.
ROFL WAR hasn't had more subs than EVE since early 2009. A purely cosmetic mount is not the same as a Max tier Fed cruiser with a unique cannon and possibly a cloak.
ROFL WAR hasn't had more subs than EVE since early 2009. A purely cosmetic mount is not the same as a Max tier Fed cruiser with a unique cannon and possibly a cloak.
Ok, what about everquest 1. They had an event that they did on each server. The winner of the event got an item that was not obtainable ever again. 10 years later, there is still only 1 item of that type per server. Shouldn't everyone else be pissed off that they didnt get it?
heck, I was in the event, Not only was I in the event, me and one of my friends that I met in that game, was grouped together and we were the two that figured everything out. When we went back to turn in what he had found out, my friend ended up with the hammer of butcherblock. A kick ass weapon that my cleric could have used without question. I wasn't upset in the least that I didnt get one. I did see a lot of people bitching and complaining that they werent given the chance to get it. Heck, when we were trying to roleplay (which was the point of this event) we had a bunch of people actually attack the gm controlled npc instead of actually role playing the event like it was meant to be.
Now granted, this was just an in game event, but the principle is still the same. A special item was given out and not everyone got a chance to get it. You know what, life isn't fair. it never has been. And the same goes in video games to. Your making it out like this fed cruiser is going to be the best cruiser in the world to have, yet you have no proof of that. its not even in the game. Yes it gets a unique cannon, it also takes up one of the very precious weapon slots they have to. The cannon could be complete crap for all we know. I fuly expect that this ship will not have any real advantages over any other ship. If it does have a cloak, which I suspect it will condisering a dev did say as much, he also said that it would be an out of battle cloak only so again, its not really going to be that big of a deal.
As for eve. Eve is a very niche game. I love niche games. I played eve for a few years, off and on. Sure they don't charge for content except for expansions. what they do do, is guarantee you will have to pay your monthly subscription fee in order to level up your character. Since it is in real time only, you have to keep that subscription active in order to up your characters skills. As far as I know, they are the only mmo that does that. Again, that doesn't bother me at all, I think eve is great for what it is, a glorified spreadsheet. but it can be fun for many people. Just as sto is fun to the many people that are playing it currently, regardless of cstore items existing.
Another amazing idea from Cryptic it seems... So, not only will a person need to get 5 people to pay for the game, all 5 of them must subscribe after a month..?
Will be very hard for the players to get that ship; not only does STO have a pretty bad reputation and word-of-mouth, theres also not content enough in the game to entertain anyone but a super-duper casual for a month. The "recruiter" will probably have to pay part of the costs himself.
Even worse, Cryptic is probably counting on the diehard fans to actually pay for most of this from their own pocket. And some of them most definitely will do just that.
In all honesty, I just dont see that happening. But hey, if they have the money to waste on it, then more power to them! They will get to enjoy that ship!
Just another food for thought. I am a lifetimer, I got to play as a reclaimed borg which in its own right has a couple powers that are not available to others. Was that wrong for cryptic to do? Would I mind if they made reclaimed borg a player race? Nope, not at all. Would others? maybe, maybe not. I didnt buy my lifetime subscription for extra perks. I bought it for the love of the game and what it will be like down the road.
To me its pretty simple. You dont like the cstore, dont use it. You dont like someone getting something that you cant get, well, get 5 people to join or pay it yourself, then you can get it. The point is, its all about choice. you either do or you dont. there is no need for all this bashing of the company simply because they choose to try and make money. You guys are complaining about silly stuff in my opinion.
ROFL WAR hasn't had more subs than EVE since early 2009. A purely cosmetic mount is not the same as a Max tier Fed cruiser with a unique cannon and possibly a cloak.
Ok, what about everquest 1. They had an event that they did on each server. The winner of the event got an item that was not obtainable ever again. 10 years later, there is still only 1 item of that type per server. Shouldn't everyone else be pissed off that they didnt get it?
heck, I was in the event, Not only was I in the event, me and one of my friends that I met in that game, was grouped together and we were the two that figured everything out. When we went back to turn in what he had found out, my friend ended up with the hammer of butcherblock. A kick ass weapon that my cleric could have used without question. I wasn't upset in the least that I didnt get one. I did see a lot of people bitching and complaining that they werent given the chance to get it. Heck, when we were trying to roleplay (which was the point of this event) we had a bunch of people actually attack the gm controlled npc instead of actually role playing the event like it was meant to be.
Now granted, this was just an in game event, but the principle is still the same. A special item was given out and not everyone got a chance to get it. You know what, life isn't fair. it never has been. And the same goes in video games to. Your making it out like this fed cruiser is going to be the best cruiser in the world to have, yet you have no proof of that. its not even in the game. Yes it gets a unique cannon, it also takes up one of the very precious weapon slots they have to. The cannon could be complete crap for all we know. I fuly expect that this ship will not have any real advantages over any other ship. If it does have a cloak, which I suspect it will condisering a dev did say as much, he also said that it would be an out of battle cloak only so again, its not really going to be that big of a deal.
As for eve. Eve is a very niche game. I love niche games. I played eve for a few years, off and on. Sure they don't charge for content except for expansions. what they do do, is guarantee you will have to pay your monthly subscription fee in order to level up your character. Since it is in real time only, you have to keep that subscription active in order to up your characters skills. As far as I know, they are the only mmo that does that. Again, that doesn't bother me at all, I think eve is great for what it is, a glorified spreadsheet. but it can be fun for many people. Just as sto is fun to the many people that are playing it currently, regardless of cstore items existing.
An in game event is not the same as what cryptic is doing, and no the principle is not the same either. In game event to get an item is completly different than recruiting people to get an item.
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An in game event is not the same as what cryptic is doing, and no the principle is not the same either. In game event to get an item is completly different than recruiting people to get an item.
Why? What is the big deal? It is a referral program. If I refer 5 people and get the item and you dont, and you dont get the item, do you think you deserve the item? Do you think you deserved the item of the event in game simply because you played the game? In niether case do you deserve the item. You didnt put in the time for the event, and you arent trying to recruit 5 people to play the game.
So how do you deserve the item? Now keep in mind, I am against the raf thing to but I am just trying to show you guys that some of the thinking on here is just messed up. Anyways, it doesn't matter. Even if they reverse on this issue, you guys wont publicly admit it here. Your only about trying to put down a game and worse, slam the game company when you dont even play the game. As I said, I like the game, I dont like the raf system they are trying to put in, but Im not calling them a bunch of idiots or putting them down for it like you guys been doing.
Ok, what about everquest 1. They had an event that they did on each server. The winner of the event got an item that was not obtainable ever again. 10 years later, there is still only 1 item of that type per server. Shouldn't everyone else be pissed off that they didnt get it?
heck, I was in the event, Not only was I in the event, me and one of my friends that I met in that game, was grouped together and we were the two that figured everything out. When we went back to turn in what he had found out, my friend ended up with the hammer of butcherblock. A kick ass weapon that my cleric could have used without question. I wasn't upset in the least that I didnt get one. I did see a lot of people bitching and complaining that they werent given the chance to get it. Heck, when we were trying to roleplay (which was the point of this event) we had a bunch of people actually attack the gm controlled npc instead of actually role playing the event like it was meant to be.
Now granted, this was just an in game event, but the principle is still the same. A special item was given out and not everyone got a chance to get it. You know what, life isn't fair. it never has been. And the same goes in video games to. Your making it out like this fed cruiser is going to be the best cruiser in the world to have, yet you have no proof of that. its not even in the game. Yes it gets a unique cannon, it also takes up one of the very precious weapon slots they have to. The cannon could be complete crap for all we know. I fuly expect that this ship will not have any real advantages over any other ship. If it does have a cloak, which I suspect it will condisering a dev did say as much, he also said that it would be an out of battle cloak only so again, its not really going to be that big of a deal.
As for eve. Eve is a very niche game. I love niche games. I played eve for a few years, off and on. Sure they don't charge for content except for expansions. what they do do, is guarantee you will have to pay your monthly subscription fee in order to level up your character. Since it is in real time only, you have to keep that subscription active in order to up your characters skills. As far as I know, they are the only mmo that does that. Again, that doesn't bother me at all, I think eve is great for what it is, a glorified spreadsheet. but it can be fun for many people. Just as sto is fun to the many people that are playing it currently, regardless of cstore items existing.
I suspect the "one per server" unique item wouldn't fly in today's MMOs, especially one with PvP. Maybe games don't do that anymore because they don't want to piss off their customers?
The cannon was said to be something along the lines of a cone AOE weapon that can shoot through solid objects.
Doesn't sound like crap to me. Even if it turns out to be, they sure aren't dangling it out as such lol. Only a Bird of Prey has a combat cloak. Do you think all the other Klingon ships having non combat cloaks isn't a big deal? Decloaking behind an enemy ship is still pretty potent opening attack and something NO OTHER Fed ship has.
Who's complaining about having to pay a monthly sub to keep leveling your pilot in EVE? What MMOs can you level your toon when you're not subscribed? What expansion has EVE charged for? I honestly don't know because I only played it briefly because I found the game to be kinda dull. Most people don't complain about paying for actual expansions if they have a decent amount of content, anyway.
An in game event is not the same as what cryptic is doing, and no the principle is not the same either. In game event to get an item is completly different than recruiting people to get an item.
Why? What is the big deal? It is a referral program. If I refer 5 people and get the item and you dont, and you dont get the item, do you think you deserve the item? Do you think you deserved the item of the event in game simply because you played the game? In niether case do you deserve the item. You didnt put in the time for the event, and you arent trying to recruit 5 people to play the game.
So how do you deserve the item? Now keep in mind, I am against the raf thing to but I am just trying to show you guys that some of the thinking on here is just messed up. Anyways, it doesn't matter. Even if they reverse on this issue, you guys wont publicly admit it here. Your only about trying to put down a game and worse, slam the game company when you dont even play the game. As I said, I like the game, I dont like the raf system they are trying to put in, but Im not calling them a bunch of idiots or putting them down for it like you guys been doing.
I still disagree, I am fine loosing the event (but i do think everyone should have the chance to partcipate), I am not fine being a pawn to make the game company 200+ dollars to get an item that gives advantages. btw that event was in the old school days like another poster said it wouldnt fly today. (Tho I do think MO has 1 time monster spawns that drop 1 time items.)
Your mind set is wrong here imo. The thought process of "deserving the item" has nothing to do with it. The principle that you have to recruit people to play to get an advantage bearing item is wrong. Why dont we just have teirs of items if you recruit 5 you get this item, you recruit 10 you get this better item, you recruit 15 you get this godly item. If you recruit 20 you get the "I win button". Do that with fluff items, I can live with that but soon as you cross the line to give a slight advantage its gone to far.
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Another amazing idea from Cryptic it seems... So, not only will a person need to get 5 people to pay for the game, all 5 of them must subscribe after a month..?
Will be very hard for the players to get that ship; not only does STO have a pretty bad reputation and word-of-mouth, theres also not content enough in the game to entertain anyone but a super-duper casual for a month. The "recruiter" will probably have to pay part of the costs himself.
Even worse, Cryptic is probably counting on the diehard fans to actually pay for most of this from their own pocket. And some of them most definitely will do just that.
In all honesty, I just dont see that happening. But hey, if they have the money to waste on it, then more power to them! They will get to enjoy that ship!
Just another food for thought. I am a lifetimer, I got to play as a reclaimed borg which in its own right has a couple powers that are not available to others. Was that wrong for cryptic to do? Would I mind if they made reclaimed borg a player race? Nope, not at all. Would others? maybe, maybe not. I didnt buy my lifetime subscription for extra perks. I bought it for the love of the game and what it will be like down the road.
To me its pretty simple. You dont like the cstore, dont use it. You dont like someone getting something that you cant get, well, get 5 people to join or pay it yourself, then you can get it. The point is, its all about choice. you either do or you dont. there is no need for all this bashing of the company simply because they choose to try and make money. You guys are complaining about silly stuff in my opinion.
Sure, this RAF program involves more money than most (if not all) others, Im still very sure that someone will pay all of it for him/herself just to get the ship. And Im sure that Cryptic kinda counted on that as well. Just my view on it of course.
When it comes to bashing a company: I dont really put much energy on it, though the continuous "mistakes" or strange decisions they do makes it interesting to keep an eye on them, just out of morbid fascination. Still, I wouldnt recommend a Cryptic game to anyone just based on their recent history.
As for the talk about c-store, liberated borg and so on... I havent mentioned any of it so i suppose that was for someone else.
Show some respect? Respect is earned and cryptic has done nothing to earn it. And it is not the ex players who are going to ruin cryptics name it is cryptic themselves who are doing that.
They produced a shallow repetitive bug ridden game and you want us to respect them for that-NOT GOING TO HAPPEN
Lets see, I still don't think there is a single program out there in the world that doesn't have bugs in it. Something like an MMO, which I don't really think this is, it is more of a CORPG, is still an ongoing development from the time they start till the time they shut the doors. No game has ever been bug free. Heck look at wow. It was bug ridden like mad at the start and over the years they have been able to get rid of many of them and make it a decent game. This game has been out for what? 3 months? They will fix the bugs over time, and trust me, I got bug issues I want them to fix ASAP but it isn't happening yet.
You say respect is earned. They put out a video game. What have you done? They are talking to their customers, they may not be telling them everything they want to hear, but they are trying. So far, all I have seen you do is bitch about the game that took them two years to make. What did you do in two years or your lifetime that makes us want to respect you? You say they have produced a shallow repetitive bug ridden game. hey, I agree on almost all of those points, But aren't you being just as shallow by name calling and disrespecting them?
First rule of customer service, my friend - the customer is always right.
Sure, this RAF program involves more money than most (if not all) others, Im still very sure that someone will pay all of it for him/herself just to get the ship. And Im sure that Cryptic kinda counted on that as well. Just my view on it of course.
When it comes to bashing a company: I dont really put much energy on it, though the continuous "mistakes" or strange decisions they do makes it interesting to keep an eye on them, just out of morbid fascination. Still, I wouldnt recommend a Cryptic game to anyone just based on their recent history.
As for the talk about c-store, liberated borg and so on... I havent mentioned any of it so i suppose that was for someone else.
The are a few people I've seen calculating out how much it would cost, not sure how serious they are though. I guess they picked the right IP to do this with though. There's a certain segment of the Star Trek fanbase with a fair amount of disposible imcome that will collect almost anything Star Trek. Now that Nimoy's retired permanently Im surprised someone hasn't tried to buy his old vulcan ears for $2000.
They sure do make strange decisions over there. When I was playing I used to get angry about the things cryptic did. Now it's more bemusement as in WTF is cryptic thinking? If doomsday wants to see anger, check out the official forums. If he thinks this is bad its much worse over there.
Cryptic flat out sucks. This company is not able to build a decent MMORPG. CO is a joke, so is STO played the beta (hint 2 hours and got sick of all the loading screens, cartoony graphics and german/english mix).
Don't complain just vote with your wallet so this bunch of greedy guys will be out of business soon. Just to be fair Wow is going the same route with the gay horse and this 10k rocket for nothing if you#re buying their crappy TCG.
We need a MMORPG Cataclysm asap, finish the dark age of MMORPGS now!
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Oh this Dreadnaught with a Spinal Mount Weapon is just another item along with this path.
Give it some time, and paying C-Points for Global Chat use will become the accepted norm.
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Cryptic seems to be doing a pretty good job of destroying itself lately it seems.
ER, yeah, actually I do. I play EVE, after paying them my 20.00 sub fee when I started I've had to play nothing else besides my monthly fee despite the game expanding substantially from when I first joined.
I am however actually willing to pay for expansion packs, but draw the line at paying for content on an item by item basis, nor will I accept a marketing model that rewards people for pre-ordering, buying collectors edtions or referrals by giving them items in game that cannot be obtained somehow by a person who plays the game normally. (even if they have to buy it in game from another person)
You want to reward people with free game time for referrals, fine, that's all outside of the game and I could care less. But if you reward them by giving them an item (I don't even tolerate fluff ) that I can't get in game, you've crossed the line and its unnaceptable.
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jeebuz... thats the whole point of it. its a special item and meant to be exclusive just like those mounts and pets given by mythic for Warhammer. Sorry but you can't have everything you want in life. i didn't refer War to any friends and didn't get those awesome looking mounts but when i saw other players riding those did i go emo and started kicking and screaming like a child? nope. i thought 'good for them'.
Maybe you and August should read the thread or check the official forums. The ship in question isn't just cosmetic fluff.
I know but i still don't see any big advantage.
Sure we do. If the "something" being rewarded is free game time, no harm, no foul. But if it involves an in game item, impacting or just fluff they've crossed the line and no, not every game offers exclusive in game items for referrals, far from it in fact.
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Way to drag in another fail MMORPG and use it as an examaple. Both groups were wrong, lets stick with the EVE model instead.
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wow... just wow....
How can ANYONE defend this game or company? Even their own employees have to hide the fact from friends and family they work for Cryptic.
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big is subjective, but the advantage is there and thats the main point.
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WAR is not fail..maybe it is to you but a lot pf players are enjoying it considering it has more subscribers then EVE. I can say EVE is a fail but it would be pointless to make such assumptions. Also the main point here is that other companies also use same tactics but for some reason people are just ready to lynch Crytpic as if they are some evil incarnation. But way to dodge the main issue by bringing the FAIL discussion.
Another amazing idea from Cryptic it seems... So, not only will a person need to get 5 people to pay for the game, all 5 of them must subscribe after a month..?
Will be very hard for the players to get that ship; not only does STO have a pretty bad reputation and word-of-mouth, theres also not content enough in the game to entertain anyone but a super-duper casual for a month. The "recruiter" will probably have to pay part of the costs himself.
Even worse, Cryptic is probably counting on the diehard fans to actually pay for most of this from their own pocket. And some of them most definitely will do just that.
ROFL WAR hasn't had more subs than EVE since early 2009. A purely cosmetic mount is not the same as a Max tier Fed cruiser with a unique cannon and possibly a cloak.
yep, this is the kind of stuff that simply is not needed anywhere.
Ok, what about everquest 1. They had an event that they did on each server. The winner of the event got an item that was not obtainable ever again. 10 years later, there is still only 1 item of that type per server. Shouldn't everyone else be pissed off that they didnt get it?
heck, I was in the event, Not only was I in the event, me and one of my friends that I met in that game, was grouped together and we were the two that figured everything out. When we went back to turn in what he had found out, my friend ended up with the hammer of butcherblock. A kick ass weapon that my cleric could have used without question. I wasn't upset in the least that I didnt get one. I did see a lot of people bitching and complaining that they werent given the chance to get it. Heck, when we were trying to roleplay (which was the point of this event) we had a bunch of people actually attack the gm controlled npc instead of actually role playing the event like it was meant to be.
Now granted, this was just an in game event, but the principle is still the same. A special item was given out and not everyone got a chance to get it. You know what, life isn't fair. it never has been. And the same goes in video games to. Your making it out like this fed cruiser is going to be the best cruiser in the world to have, yet you have no proof of that. its not even in the game. Yes it gets a unique cannon, it also takes up one of the very precious weapon slots they have to. The cannon could be complete crap for all we know. I fuly expect that this ship will not have any real advantages over any other ship. If it does have a cloak, which I suspect it will condisering a dev did say as much, he also said that it would be an out of battle cloak only so again, its not really going to be that big of a deal.
As for eve. Eve is a very niche game. I love niche games. I played eve for a few years, off and on. Sure they don't charge for content except for expansions. what they do do, is guarantee you will have to pay your monthly subscription fee in order to level up your character. Since it is in real time only, you have to keep that subscription active in order to up your characters skills. As far as I know, they are the only mmo that does that. Again, that doesn't bother me at all, I think eve is great for what it is, a glorified spreadsheet. but it can be fun for many people. Just as sto is fun to the many people that are playing it currently, regardless of cstore items existing.
In all honesty, I just dont see that happening. But hey, if they have the money to waste on it, then more power to them! They will get to enjoy that ship!
Just another food for thought. I am a lifetimer, I got to play as a reclaimed borg which in its own right has a couple powers that are not available to others. Was that wrong for cryptic to do? Would I mind if they made reclaimed borg a player race? Nope, not at all. Would others? maybe, maybe not. I didnt buy my lifetime subscription for extra perks. I bought it for the love of the game and what it will be like down the road.
To me its pretty simple. You dont like the cstore, dont use it. You dont like someone getting something that you cant get, well, get 5 people to join or pay it yourself, then you can get it. The point is, its all about choice. you either do or you dont. there is no need for all this bashing of the company simply because they choose to try and make money. You guys are complaining about silly stuff in my opinion.
An in game event is not the same as what cryptic is doing, and no the principle is not the same either. In game event to get an item is completly different than recruiting people to get an item.
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Why? What is the big deal? It is a referral program. If I refer 5 people and get the item and you dont, and you dont get the item, do you think you deserve the item? Do you think you deserved the item of the event in game simply because you played the game? In niether case do you deserve the item. You didnt put in the time for the event, and you arent trying to recruit 5 people to play the game.
So how do you deserve the item? Now keep in mind, I am against the raf thing to but I am just trying to show you guys that some of the thinking on here is just messed up. Anyways, it doesn't matter. Even if they reverse on this issue, you guys wont publicly admit it here. Your only about trying to put down a game and worse, slam the game company when you dont even play the game. As I said, I like the game, I dont like the raf system they are trying to put in, but Im not calling them a bunch of idiots or putting them down for it like you guys been doing.
I suspect the "one per server" unique item wouldn't fly in today's MMOs, especially one with PvP. Maybe games don't do that anymore because they don't want to piss off their customers?
The cannon was said to be something along the lines of a cone AOE weapon that can shoot through solid objects.
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=2637012&postcount=399
Doesn't sound like crap to me. Even if it turns out to be, they sure aren't dangling it out as such lol. Only a Bird of Prey has a combat cloak. Do you think all the other Klingon ships having non combat cloaks isn't a big deal? Decloaking behind an enemy ship is still pretty potent opening attack and something NO OTHER Fed ship has.
Who's complaining about having to pay a monthly sub to keep leveling your pilot in EVE? What MMOs can you level your toon when you're not subscribed? What expansion has EVE charged for? I honestly don't know because I only played it briefly because I found the game to be kinda dull. Most people don't complain about paying for actual expansions if they have a decent amount of content, anyway.
I still disagree, I am fine loosing the event (but i do think everyone should have the chance to partcipate), I am not fine being a pawn to make the game company 200+ dollars to get an item that gives advantages. btw that event was in the old school days like another poster said it wouldnt fly today. (Tho I do think MO has 1 time monster spawns that drop 1 time items.)
Your mind set is wrong here imo. The thought process of "deserving the item" has nothing to do with it. The principle that you have to recruit people to play to get an advantage bearing item is wrong. Why dont we just have teirs of items if you recruit 5 you get this item, you recruit 10 you get this better item, you recruit 15 you get this godly item. If you recruit 20 you get the "I win button". Do that with fluff items, I can live with that but soon as you cross the line to give a slight advantage its gone to far.
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Sure, this RAF program involves more money than most (if not all) others, Im still very sure that someone will pay all of it for him/herself just to get the ship. And Im sure that Cryptic kinda counted on that as well. Just my view on it of course.
When it comes to bashing a company: I dont really put much energy on it, though the continuous "mistakes" or strange decisions they do makes it interesting to keep an eye on them, just out of morbid fascination. Still, I wouldnt recommend a Cryptic game to anyone just based on their recent history.
As for the talk about c-store, liberated borg and so on... I havent mentioned any of it so i suppose that was for someone else.
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The are a few people I've seen calculating out how much it would cost, not sure how serious they are though. I guess they picked the right IP to do this with though. There's a certain segment of the Star Trek fanbase with a fair amount of disposible imcome that will collect almost anything Star Trek. Now that Nimoy's retired permanently Im surprised someone hasn't tried to buy his old vulcan ears for $2000.
They sure do make strange decisions over there. When I was playing I used to get angry about the things cryptic did. Now it's more bemusement as in WTF is cryptic thinking? If doomsday wants to see anger, check out the official forums. If he thinks this is bad its much worse over there.
Don't complain just vote with your wallet so this bunch of greedy guys will be out of business soon. Just to be fair Wow is going the same route with the gay horse and this 10k rocket for nothing if you#re buying their crappy TCG.
We need a MMORPG Cataclysm asap, finish the dark age of MMORPGS now!
"Everything you're bitching about is wrong. People don't have the time to invest in corpse runs, impossible zones, or long winded quests. Sometimes, they just want to pop on and play."
"Then maybe MMORPGs aren't for you."
Oh this Dreadnaught with a Spinal Mount Weapon is just another item along with this path.
Give it some time, and paying C-Points for Global Chat use will become the accepted norm.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
And randomly, you will still get ppl who defend the game and deny that the company is trying to grab as much cash from ppl as is humanly possible.