Seems to me that you have made up your mind that everyone else in here is noobs and died in DF cause they couldnt handle the game, and you, yourself, is the uber leet gamer, who worked so hard for everything, so you should be awarded by being able to fight 2-5 people at a time without dieing.
And no matter what anyone have said to you in here, it seems like you are set to defend your OP no matter the cost, some of your replies looks plain stupid.
You should ask yourself why you opened this thread... to have a discussion about the topic, or to inform everyone that they suck, and you are leet??
It's clear that the only one whining in here is you, you want it your way or else you throw a tantrum temper.
well stomp your feet harder, cause it's not happening.
I see myself as a PvP'er, since that 's the only part of gaming I truly enjoy, I like to have alot of people to compete with, now if I die alot, suck, and need to L2P is really irrelvant to this discussion, since the question here is really:
"Is it fair that vet's who started at launch, will be ahead of the rest of the playerbase for a shorter amount of time than before?"
I don't see the problem here, you will still be a vet, you will still have the advantage of 1 year of playing the game, which should be sufficient in taking down 2 newbs+...
Regardless of some people catching up to you, then there will still be new players you can beat on, if you feel that you can't compete with the guys that have gained equal amount of game-skills.
Atleast there will be new people now that the grind is less tedious...
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The largest handcrafted online world of its kind.
Over 10 thousand concurrent players per game world.
The largest MMORPG battles ever - involving thousands.
Ultimate PvP action, the #1 choice of top players and clans.
Seamless, zoneless, non-instanced world. No invisible walls.
No safe zones. Full loot. PvP everywhere with accountability.
No more leveling. Improve the skills you use.
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Nowhere does it say:
Macro while you are sleeping or at work so that your character can develop while you do not play.
Long-term character progression in a low population.
I have a much better chance of getting more of my friends to try this game now after the recent changes. That should say something and so should reading Darkfall Online's site. Don't forget reading the parts mentioning thousands of players as we do not have them anymore . ..
I know your whole 'they haven't even boxed it for stores' argument but if I cannot convince my friends to play, than what makes you think that the crappy online reviews and AV's advertisement would . .. along with forumfall to backup how fun the game is? What are the chances that a new person would have stuck with it the way it was before during bloodwall days? I played it how it was and have been happy with it just as you have but not everyone will. A big reason that we enjoyed it was because we started at the beginning, so long-term character progression was not an issue for us and only helped us (if we were willing to keep our computers running 24/7).
The population is rising very fast since the last patch by the way. Another successful move by AV . .. the last few times that I have checked it has gone up by like 5-10% which is very good.
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The population is rising very fast since the last patch by the way. Another successful move by AV . .. the last few times that I have checked it has gone up by like 5-10% which is very good.
I do admit I've seen a noticeable increase in New Players compared to say....2-3 months ago. But in my opinion it's still not enough but AV is heading the right way.
The HP Patch surely made a big difference for a new player, now the issue is to retain these new players. Hopefully the July (aka June) "Expansion" will add the PvE that will help retain a portion of the players for a longer period of time, but what we really need is changes to the PvP mechanic by adding more incentive to PvP. Vets who've reached what we could call the "end-game" are getting bored and it really shows on both the forum and in-game. Once July Expac hits and AV adds changes to PvP (hopefully someday they will), DarkFall will be where it should've been at launch and AV can build up from there.
And to be honest, I really like Zaffax's "Community" Expansion v2.2, I really think it's the right way to go, even if more than half the community doesn't think so.
duping did happen., what you described is still an exploit and the riches obtained then are no possible for new players, the game should have been rolled back.
I know how Death alliance made their fortune, and how Cairnbears, Mercs and WarCry made millions of gold. It wasn't duping, and they have not used hacks.
AV have done few changes that were similar in effect to server wipe: 6x magic skill gains means that anyone who leveled magic before lost few millions, all high level weapons made before to December 2009 are useless, all armor made before December 2009 is useless, fortunes kept in rare ingots lost half of their value last month, fortunes kept in gold lost half of their value in December 2009, etc.
DF isn't "hardcore" MMO where you can buy account or items on player auctions, and enjoy advantage for next few years. It isn't how much gold you have - it's about how fast you can earn gold.
After latest patch few old clans returned to DF. TheMercs are going to transfer to NA-1. Almost everything (skills, gear) is easy to get nowadays - so losing their legendary fortune (all items and all gold) during the transfer does not matter to them.
just sayin, I find myself playing Eve now that long term progression and fighting outnumbered is dead. latest patch took a lot of the skill out of the game and made it more so that numbers have the advantage even moreso, pretty lame "sandbox" if you ask me when the only valid tactics are zerging since everyone has near the same HP and damage output now.
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IMO thanks to latest HP patch DF got much closer to EvE.
2 year old vet in EvE doesn't have much advantage over 3 months old "newbie" assuming that they're flying the same ship. And fighting outnumbered is certainly harder in EvE than it ever was in DF.
However, EvE in 0.0 space is more hardcore than DF. There is more to lose, players are more dedicated, more merciless and ruthless. If DF would be like EvE, all sieges would happen at 4AM to maximize chances of winning.
Hm. Problems, problems here. 2 year old veteran in EvE can land all his hits due to tab targeting. A 2 year old veteran actually has to land all his hits. A 3 month "newbie" in DF has everything he needs to defeat a veteran for sure.
DF is hardcore because there is no safe space besides NPC cities which are extremely small to begin with. You can lose anything, anywhere. A lot of sieges do happen really early in the mornings, but we don't exactly like this: why? It's no fun when not a lot of people are on to enjoy them as well.
No, Darkfall is not "hardcore" because you have to look in the general direction a player to hit them. It's actually quite unfair to many players who don't have as good as ping as the central server for the game. Unlike a real FPS, where many servers are hosted and quite often the one with the best ping is selected for you; this is more associated to this childish hardcore term you seem to place on everything.
Maybe when your balls drop and your mom kicks you out of her basement, you will earn some responsibilities out in the real world and see that you just don't have the time nor ability to care how 'hardcore' your game can become. All you will hopefully care about is if your time was well spent entertaining yourself. Instead of trying to be the world's greatest geek. But, some people really don't wake up and prefer fantasy over reality.
Good Luck!
uhh yea darkfall is hardcore and harder than "real FPS" projectiles have longer flight time, which means you can't just aimbot (untill rays), you actually have to put effort into developing your character rather than instant gratification and you risk your items when you are out hunting people and it takes more than one shot ot kill someone so yes, DF is a much more hardcore game than "real FPS". There is always going to be someone better than you, deal with it.
just sayin, I find myself playing Eve now that long term progression and fighting outnumbered is dead. latest patch took a lot of the skill out of the game and made it more so that numbers have the advantage even moreso, pretty lame "sandbox" if you ask me when the only valid tactics are zerging since everyone has near the same HP and damage output now.
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IMO thanks to latest HP patch DF got much closer to EvE.
2 year old vet in EvE doesn't have much advantage over 3 months old "newbie" assuming that they're flying the same ship. And fighting outnumbered is certainly harder in EvE than it ever was in DF.
However, EvE in 0.0 space is more hardcore than DF. There is more to lose, players are more dedicated, more merciless and ruthless. If DF would be like EvE, all sieges would happen at 4AM to maximize chances of winning.
Hm. Problems, problems here. 2 year old veteran in EvE can land all his hits due to tab targeting. A 2 year old veteran actually has to land all his hits. A 3 month "newbie" in DF has everything he needs to defeat a veteran for sure.
DF is hardcore because there is no safe space besides NPC cities which are extremely small to begin with. You can lose anything, anywhere. A lot of sieges do happen really early in the mornings, but we don't exactly like this: why? It's no fun when not a lot of people are on to enjoy them as well.
No, Darkfall is not "hardcore" because you have to look in the general direction a player to hit them. It's actually quite unfair to many players who don't have as good as ping as the central server for the game. Unlike a real FPS, where many servers are hosted and quite often the one with the best ping is selected for you; this is more associated to this childish hardcore term you seem to place on everything.
Maybe when your balls drop and your mom kicks you out of her basement, you will earn some responsibilities out in the real world and see that you just don't have the time nor ability to care how 'hardcore' your game can become. All you will hopefully care about is if your time was well spent entertaining yourself. Instead of trying to be the world's greatest geek. But, some people really don't wake up and prefer fantasy over reality.
Good Luck!
uhh yea darkfall is hardcore and harder than "real FPS" projectiles have longer flight time, which means you can't just aimbot (untill rays), you actually have to put effort into developing your character rather than instant gratification and you risk your items when you are out hunting people and it takes more than one shot ot kill someone so yes, DF is a much more hardcore game than "real FPS" in every way but nice try pretending you don't play an easymode game.
its funny these people who try to say Darkfall isn't what it is just b/c their vaginas are too big to play it or they can't handle DFs hardcore ruleset. total scrubs pretending like this hardcore game is somehow beneath them, pretty hilarious.
You are so wrong on that point. You never played America's army. Try it, i bet you wont even kill one player and this time please, dont say that players are using aimbots just because you cannot even kill one of them. There is also Counter strike 1.6 (NOT THAT EASY MODE SOURCE!!!)
I do admit I've seen a noticeable increase in New Players compared to say....2-3 months ago. But in my opinion it's still not enough but AV is heading the right way.
The HP Patch surely made a big difference for a new player, now the issue is to retain these new players. Hopefully the July (aka June) "Expansion" will add the PvE that will help retain a portion of the players for a longer period of time, but what we really need is changes to the PvP mechanic by adding more incentive to PvP.
Yeah, and we anti-grinders are called stupid, but everytime AV reduce the grind we get more players. And everytime AV makes the pvp more competitive, high level players like Mr Lumps whine.
And that`s the magic and the trick in Darkfall, high level chars. You hear players like Lumb whine just because they`re having a harder time mawing down the low level players. The so called L33T player quit the game, just because the newbies got a little more health and the possibility to get some decent gear. AV broke the monopoly the high level players had on uber chars and good gear and they whine. This only show that their playerskill was nothing more than high level and top gear.
I`m still not happy, but I hope the new patch can make new player competitive in 1-2 months. Maybe the prestine classes is made so they don`t have to level every skill unders the sun to have a fair fight. And if they do I, wont cry like some other players in here. I don`t feel I`ve lost millions of gold, I feel we finally have the game we waited years to play. God, it would be awesome to have 10000 players fighting for citys and glory in Agon.
There are less and less hardcore players who realy dont care by building longterm character that take maybe 6 months or longer to max out and never complain about it.
These days all want instant uberness thats why Darkfall slowly chance and catered towards casuals and ex-themeparkers.
I understand to survive, AV needs to take steps to get subs but for vets like me its harder and harder to continuing playing seeing themeparkers taking over even sandbox games by whine and whine untill devs dumb down game so there happy also.
Im affraid i wont play mmo's in near future as oldtime hardcore gamer most games thesedays are to simple and to easy and to save to play:(
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
Originally posted by Mr.Lumps Originally posted by Realbigdeal 14 days of trial and i can already so in DF. Problem is, you dont even know what is solo yourself. Anyone can solo.
lol, and yet youve posted, complaining about DF for so long, a game you hadn't even played, LOL . proof that you don't know WTF you are talking about. the regulars around here are such jokes, lol.
People who use the word lol in an actual forum post should be beaten.
People who use it 3 times in said post should be beaten 3 more times, the last beating administered just because.
There are less and less hardcore players who realy dont care by building longterm character that take maybe 6 months or longer to max out and never complain about it.
These days all want instant uberness thats why Darkfall slowly chance and catered towards casuals and ex-themeparkers.
I understand to survive, AV needs to take steps to get subs but for vets like me its harder and harder to continuing playing seeing themeparkers taking over even sandbox games by whine and whine untill devs dumb down game so there happy also.
Im affraid i wont play mmo's in near future as oldtime hardcore gamer most games thesedays are to simple and to easy and to save to play:(
Whats funny about vets like you and lump, you dont even boycott the game like we do. You whine, but you claim that you are still subbed and you will keep on paying for the next month. You guys whine are not treat at all. Even if you leave, what game you gonna join? There is no other game that have the same core feature that DF have. (FPS, full loot, open world pvp...) You gone too far on FPS gameplay to go back to target base. I know that.
shouldn't you be progressing in eve or something? you fail on many occasions in this thread lumps
I highly doubt (aside from skill progression) that this... "lumps", would progress at all in EvE. This is the type of self centered, ego best player (not to be confused with elitest), that ends up in his own little low sec pocket calling himself king. A Null sec corp would most likely alt grief him just for fun to see how far he would rage. His own mouth would destroy his prospects for future null sec corps, as "adaptation" is the KEY player skill that EvE requires to be .... accepted, respected and admired. Not how many times you call someone nub, noob, ignoramous or any of the other punk rebukes his ignorance projects.
his forum name couldn't be more appropriate.
also note that DF is more a "twitch" based model, where as EvE is more that of cooperative stradegy model. Key word=cooperative. (as far as PvP is concerned) So far all this twit has been spewing off is how much DF has turned to bad because HE, (and he alone) can no longer excersise the great skill he supposedly posseses.
thanks for the laugh cowboy.
gl with EvE, (your nothing but food for intelligent pilots) but most likely you'll end up with Silk Road Online.
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"He who reigns within himself and rules his passions, desires, and fears is more than a king."
"Where there is much desire to learn, there of necessity will be much argruing, much writting, many opinions; for opinions in good men is but knowledge in the making."
There are less and less hardcore players who realy dont care by building longterm character that take maybe 6 months or longer to max out and never complain about it.
Hardcore doesn't equal fun. That's the reason why DF population is in decline. I don't really get your elitist hardcore term anyway, why are you more hardcore then me ? Because you can stand 6 months of repetitve grind and I can't ? Games are supposed to be fun, grind is not part of that equesion.
These days all want instant uberness thats why Darkfall slowly chance and catered towards casuals and ex-themeparkers.
Uberness ? WTH you are talking about. People who left Darkfall want a competitve fps based pvp where player skill is more important then fact you killed 1000 000 in-game trolls then us. Character development, various skills and builds ? Sure as much you can put in the game please ! But pveing and grinding reasources for months to come, no thank you.
Don't forget to add the lost feature of Darkfall: sandbox. After all that "great" features like chaos chests, slot machines and Fun Hulks ( yay ! ) DF is a "sandbox" full of NOTHING. People are actually losing hope even in the designers skills in Aventurine.
I understand to survive, AV needs to take steps to get subs but for vets like me its harder and harder to continuing playing seeing themeparkers taking over even sandbox games by whine and whine untill devs dumb down game so there happy also.
Dumb down the game ? Excuse me does it mean Darkfall can actually be more simplisctic then it is now ? It is just a Quake clon with months of grind to get your hands on rocket launcher. There is no complexity here neither sandbox.
Im affraid i wont play mmo's in near future as oldtime hardcore gamer most games thesedays are to simple and to easy and to save to play:(
You know what, thats great ! It means that new generation MMOs may actually find the lost holy grail of MMORPG genre:
shouldn't you be progressing in eve or something? you fail on many occasions in this thread lumps
also note that DF is more a "twitch" based model, where as EvE is more that of cooperative stradegy model. Key word=cooperative. (as far as PvP is concerned) So far all this twit has been spewing off is how much DF has turned to bad because HE, (and he alone) can no longer excersise the great skill he supposedly posseses.
LOL@ scrub trying to say eve takes skill. LOL
don't pretend like eve is hard, its not. lol. truth is, you prob couldn't handle DF because it takes actual player skill, not just time invested waiting for skill to train and reading stuff on the internet to figure out what to do, just like WoW in that sense, lol.
i dunno why you would say im bad, I can only assume you are an idiot for making that assumption.
Eve is a much easier game than DF and takes much less player skill. heck, you don't even have to pvp in eve if you don't want to, you can just sit in high sec all your life where no ships can hurt you.
its obvious this eve player takes himself way too seriously, thinking eve somehow takes skill or much brains at all, lol. Eve takes no skill and reqires very little brains since most people just copy each other and its not like its hard at all to click on a item on the menu and press all your button, lol.
i like eve and it has long term progression but i'm not going to pretend its hard or takes any amount of skill, lol. eve is action and reaction and its not hard to know what to do, its forumulaic and common sense really, it doesn't take "brains", lol @ joker trying to say eve takes any kind of player skill, lol. Eve is just like WoW b/c you just copy what the pros do and when you see that thing happen, you press the button, its as simple as that. what a joke, lol.
There are less and less hardcore players who realy dont care by building longterm character that take maybe 6 months or longer to max out and never complain about it.
Hardcore doesn't equal fun. That's the reason why DF population is in decline. I don't really get your elitist hardcore term anyway, why are you more hardcore then me ? Because you can stand 6 months of repetitve grind and I can't ? Games are supposed to be fun, grind is not part of that equesion.
These days all want instant uberness thats why Darkfall slowly chance and catered towards casuals and ex-themeparkers.
Uberness ? WTH you are talking about. People who left Darkfall want a competitve fps based pvp where player skill is more important then fact you killed 1000 000 in-game trolls then us. Character development, various skills and builds ? Sure as much you can put in the game please ! But pveing and grinding reasources for months to come, no thank you.
Don't forget to add the lost feature of Darkfall: sandbox. After all that "great" features like chaos chests, slot machines and Fun Hulks ( yay ! ) DF is a "sandbox" full of NOTHING. People are actually losing hope even in the designers skills in Aventurine.
I understand to survive, AV needs to take steps to get subs but for vets like me its harder and harder to continuing playing seeing themeparkers taking over even sandbox games by whine and whine untill devs dumb down game so there happy also.
Dumb down the game ? Excuse me does it mean Darkfall can actually be more simplisctic then it is now ? It is just a Quake clon with months of grind to get your hands on rocket launcher. There is no complexity here neither sandbox.
Im affraid i wont play mmo's in near future as oldtime hardcore gamer most games thesedays are to simple and to easy and to save to play:(
You know what, thats great ! It means that new generation MMOs may actually find the lost holy grail of MMORPG genre:
FUN FACTOR.
guess what, what is fun for you may not be fun all. why dont you find an easier game you can have fun with rather than ruin ours? hmm? easymode whiners have already ruined the game enough
I used to have the HP to support it if I didnt run into any good players, not anymore, even the bads can take me down now since it takes so long to kill people.
I think you just went to point out why the patch was needed, since you had the HP advantage, you won, now that you don't have it, you lose "even the bads"... imo that means exactly one thing, YOU SUCKED! and the only way you could ever beat anyone was because of AN ADVANTAGE!
I used to have the HP to support it if I didnt run into any good players, not anymore, even the bads can take me down now since it takes so long to kill people.
I think you just went to point out why the patch was needed, since you had the HP advantage, you won, now that you don't have it, you lose "even the bads"... imo that means exactly one thing, YOU SUCKED! and the only way you could ever beat anyone was because of AN ADVANTAGE!
damn dude, listen to yourself. are you really that retarded to make those assumptions?
Take things to extremes much? it isn't about 1v1, its about not losing just b/c you are vs more than one guy. Semi-retarded shitty gamers have a hard time understanding that apparently.
Eve didn't get where its at by handing out long term progression character advantages, its pretty stupid to assume Darkfall would fail b/c it didn't cater to you whiney instant gratification scrubs who weren't willing to put forth the effort. No, Darkfall would have been fine once they had their box version, AV just got greedy and did some welfare gaming to appease the whiners. They will regret it im sure once some other major gaming company copys the model. blizzard will do the instant gratification and all these whiney children who think they should be able to compete with the best in DF will play that game and DF will no longer have pllayers at all, having ruined the one competitive niche it had. This is truth and only idiots cannot see it. I know you will post and say the sky is black.
I used to have the HP to support it if I didnt run into any good players, not anymore, even the bads can take me down now since it takes so long to kill people.
I think you just went to point out why the patch was needed, since you had the HP advantage, you won, now that you don't have it, you lose "even the bads"... imo that means exactly one thing, YOU SUCKED! and the only way you could ever beat anyone was because of AN ADVANTAGE!
damn dude, listen to yourself. are you really that retarded to make those assumptions?
take things to extremes much? game isn't about 1v1, its about not losing just b/c you are vs more than one guy. LOL, these jokers, do they even think before they post?
Hes not taking anyting to the extreme, hes just pointing out that you were a failure of a player and could only win with a small HP advantage, and pointing out that you just SAID IT YOURSELF!
There are less and less hardcore players who realy dont care by building longterm character that take maybe 6 months or longer to max out and never complain about it.
Hardcore doesn't equal fun. That's the reason why DF population is in decline. I don't really get your elitist hardcore term anyway, why are you more hardcore then me ? Because you can stand 6 months of repetitve grind and I can't ? Games are supposed to be fun, grind is not part of that equesion.
These days all want instant uberness thats why Darkfall slowly chance and catered towards casuals and ex-themeparkers.
Uberness ? WTH you are talking about. People who left Darkfall want a competitve fps based pvp where player skill is more important then fact you killed 1000 000 in-game trolls then us. Character development, various skills and builds ? Sure as much you can put in the game please ! But pveing and grinding reasources for months to come, no thank you.
Don't forget to add the lost feature of Darkfall: sandbox. After all that "great" features like chaos chests, slot machines and Fun Hulks ( yay ! ) DF is a "sandbox" full of NOTHING. People are actually losing hope even in the designers skills in Aventurine.
I understand to survive, AV needs to take steps to get subs but for vets like me its harder and harder to continuing playing seeing themeparkers taking over even sandbox games by whine and whine untill devs dumb down game so there happy also.
Dumb down the game ? Excuse me does it mean Darkfall can actually be more simplisctic then it is now ? It is just a Quake clon with months of grind to get your hands on rocket launcher. There is no complexity here neither sandbox.
Im affraid i wont play mmo's in near future as oldtime hardcore gamer most games thesedays are to simple and to easy and to save to play:(
You know what, thats great ! It means that new generation MMOs may actually find the lost holy grail of MMORPG genre:
FUN FACTOR.
guess what, what is fun for you may not be fun all. why dont you find an easier game you can have fun with rather than ruin ours? hmm? easymode whiners have already ruined the game enough
The way you describe your new experience after the patch sound like Very hard mode for you only.
I used to have the HP to support it if I didnt run into any good players, not anymore, even the bads can take me down now since it takes so long to kill people.
I think you just went to point out why the patch was needed, since you had the HP advantage, you won, now that you don't have it, you lose "even the bads"... imo that means exactly one thing, YOU SUCKED! and the only way you could ever beat anyone was because of AN ADVANTAGE!
damn dude, listen to yourself. are you really that retarded to make those assumptions?
take things to extremes much? game isn't about 1v1, its about not losing just b/c you are vs more than one guy. LOL, these jokers, do they even think before they post?
Hes not taking anyting to the extreme, hes just pointing out that you were a failure of a player and could only win with a small HP advantage, and pointing out that you just SAID IT YOURSELF!
umm, no, you are an assuming idiot that don't know wtf you are talking about. I am one of the better DF players, lots of people know me and my skills. you are one of the idiots who says the sky is black. I win tournaments and I am better than you in every day, deal with it.
I used to have the HP to support it if I didnt run into any good players, not anymore, even the bads can take me down now since it takes so long to kill people.
I think you just went to point out why the patch was needed, since you had the HP advantage, you won, now that you don't have it, you lose "even the bads"... imo that means exactly one thing, YOU SUCKED! and the only way you could ever beat anyone was because of AN ADVANTAGE!
damn dude, listen to yourself. are you really that retarded to make those assumptions?
take things to extremes much? game isn't about 1v1, its about not losing just b/c you are vs more than one guy. LOL, these jokers, do they even think before they post?
Hes not taking anyting to the extreme, hes just pointing out that you were a failure of a player and could only win with a small HP advantage, and pointing out that you just SAID IT YOURSELF!
umm, no, you are an assuming idiot that don't know wtf you are talking about. I am one of the better DF players, lots of people know me and my skills. you are one of the idiots who says the sky is black. I win tournaments and I am better than you in every day, deal with it.
Your ingame name please. Other wise put your "win tournaments" else where. No proof = not done.
You were better as you had an edge over other players and now you arent better as you lack the skill to aim with magic and dont have a great advantage over other players. If you would have the player skill and other stuff you would play Darkfall as now player personl skill matters more then it was before.
There are less and less hardcore players who realy dont care by building longterm character that take maybe 6 months or longer to max out and never complain about it.
Hardcore doesn't equal fun. That's the reason why DF population is in decline. I don't really get your elitist hardcore term anyway, why are you more hardcore then me ? Because you can stand 6 months of repetitve grind and I can't ? Games are supposed to be fun, grind is not part of that equesion.
These days all want instant uberness thats why Darkfall slowly chance and catered towards casuals and ex-themeparkers.
Uberness ? WTH you are talking about. People who left Darkfall want a competitve fps based pvp where player skill is more important then fact you killed 1000 000 in-game trolls then us. Character development, various skills and builds ? Sure as much you can put in the game please ! But pveing and grinding reasources for months to come, no thank you.
Don't forget to add the lost feature of Darkfall: sandbox. After all that "great" features like chaos chests, slot machines and Fun Hulks ( yay ! ) DF is a "sandbox" full of NOTHING. People are actually losing hope even in the designers skills in Aventurine.
I understand to survive, AV needs to take steps to get subs but for vets like me its harder and harder to continuing playing seeing themeparkers taking over even sandbox games by whine and whine untill devs dumb down game so there happy also.
Dumb down the game ? Excuse me does it mean Darkfall can actually be more simplisctic then it is now ? It is just a Quake clon with months of grind to get your hands on rocket launcher. There is no complexity here neither sandbox.
Im affraid i wont play mmo's in near future as oldtime hardcore gamer most games thesedays are to simple and to easy and to save to play:(
You know what, thats great ! It means that new generation MMOs may actually find the lost holy grail of MMORPG genre:
FUN FACTOR.
guess what, what is fun for you may not be fun all. why dont you find an easier game you can have fun with rather than ruin ours? hmm? easymode whiners have already ruined the game enough
The way you describe your new experience after the patch sound like Very hard mode for you only.
na, its actually better for me this way, I stay alive a lot longer. the only problem is when it comes to fighting outnumbered since it takes longer to kill people. You can't really argue with this, its a fact. It doesn't mean im bad or i can't handle it, im just pointing it out that this is welfare gaming and benefits zergs and scrubs who weren't willing to put forth the effort. you are an idiot to assume I can't handle this and am complaining b/c its too hard. I am a DF player and am better than you in every way.
I used to have the HP to support it if I didnt run into any good players, not anymore, even the bads can take me down now since it takes so long to kill people.
I think you just went to point out why the patch was needed, since you had the HP advantage, you won, now that you don't have it, you lose "even the bads"... imo that means exactly one thing, YOU SUCKED! and the only way you could ever beat anyone was because of AN ADVANTAGE!
damn dude, listen to yourself. are you really that retarded to make those assumptions?
take things to extremes much? game isn't about 1v1, its about not losing just b/c you are vs more than one guy. LOL, these jokers, do they even think before they post?
Hes not taking anyting to the extreme, hes just pointing out that you were a failure of a player and could only win with a small HP advantage, and pointing out that you just SAID IT YOURSELF!
umm, no, you are an assuming idiot that don't know wtf you are talking about. I am one of the better DF players, lots of people know me and my skills. you are one of the idiots who says the sky is black. I win tournaments and I am better than you in every day, deal with it.
Your ingame name please. Other wise put your "win tournaments" else where. No proof = not done.
You were better as you had an edge over other players and now you arent better as you lack the skill to aim with magic and dont have a great advantage over other players. If you would have the player skill and other stuff you would play Darkfall as now player personl skill matters more then it was before.
turd burglar, i still win tournaments . you are all shit to me.
I am pro and you are not, deal with it.
I bet you guys are too cowardly to say your in-game names.
turd burglar, i still win tournaments . you are all shit to me.
I am pro and you are not, deal with it.
I bet you guys are too cowardly to say your in-game names.
Sry never heard of that name and especially not in a tournament. Ive asked my bro wo is still active in DFO and neither he never heard of you. I guess wanna be.
If you were pro you were playing and not whining on these forums how your char got ruined. Fact.
I cant wait till your next QQ crusade, when they even more go away from grind / time advantages over other players :-)
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This topic is starting to veer off-course into a flamefest.
Keeping it open for now, just remember thou:
Flaming = Bad
Civilized Topic discussion = Good
I'll let you all decide.
Seems to me that you have made up your mind that everyone else in here is noobs and died in DF cause they couldnt handle the game, and you, yourself, is the uber leet gamer, who worked so hard for everything, so you should be awarded by being able to fight 2-5 people at a time without dieing.
And no matter what anyone have said to you in here, it seems like you are set to defend your OP no matter the cost, some of your replies looks plain stupid.
You should ask yourself why you opened this thread... to have a discussion about the topic, or to inform everyone that they suck, and you are leet??
It's clear that the only one whining in here is you, you want it your way or else you throw a tantrum temper.
well stomp your feet harder, cause it's not happening.
I see myself as a PvP'er, since that 's the only part of gaming I truly enjoy, I like to have alot of people to compete with, now if I die alot, suck, and need to L2P is really irrelvant to this discussion, since the question here is really:
"Is it fair that vet's who started at launch, will be ahead of the rest of the playerbase for a shorter amount of time than before?"
I don't see the problem here, you will still be a vet, you will still have the advantage of 1 year of playing the game, which should be sufficient in taking down 2 newbs+...
Regardless of some people catching up to you, then there will still be new players you can beat on, if you feel that you can't compete with the guys that have gained equal amount of game-skills.
Atleast there will be new people now that the grind is less tedious...
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I have a much better chance of getting more of my friends to try this game now after the recent changes. That should say something and so should reading Darkfall Online's site. Don't forget reading the parts mentioning thousands of players as we do not have them anymore . ..
I know your whole 'they haven't even boxed it for stores' argument but if I cannot convince my friends to play, than what makes you think that the crappy online reviews and AV's advertisement would . .. along with forumfall to backup how fun the game is? What are the chances that a new person would have stuck with it the way it was before during bloodwall days? I played it how it was and have been happy with it just as you have but not everyone will. A big reason that we enjoyed it was because we started at the beginning, so long-term character progression was not an issue for us and only helped us (if we were willing to keep our computers running 24/7).
The population is rising very fast since the last patch by the way. Another successful move by AV . .. the last few times that I have checked it has gone up by like 5-10% which is very good.
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I do admit I've seen a noticeable increase in New Players compared to say....2-3 months ago. But in my opinion it's still not enough but AV is heading the right way.
The HP Patch surely made a big difference for a new player, now the issue is to retain these new players. Hopefully the July (aka June) "Expansion" will add the PvE that will help retain a portion of the players for a longer period of time, but what we really need is changes to the PvP mechanic by adding more incentive to PvP. Vets who've reached what we could call the "end-game" are getting bored and it really shows on both the forum and in-game. Once July Expac hits and AV adds changes to PvP (hopefully someday they will), DarkFall will be where it should've been at launch and AV can build up from there.
And to be honest, I really like Zaffax's "Community" Expansion v2.2, I really think it's the right way to go, even if more than half the community doesn't think so.
I know how Death alliance made their fortune, and how Cairnbears, Mercs and WarCry made millions of gold. It wasn't duping, and they have not used hacks.
AV have done few changes that were similar in effect to server wipe: 6x magic skill gains means that anyone who leveled magic before lost few millions, all high level weapons made before to December 2009 are useless, all armor made before December 2009 is useless, fortunes kept in rare ingots lost half of their value last month, fortunes kept in gold lost half of their value in December 2009, etc.
DF isn't "hardcore" MMO where you can buy account or items on player auctions, and enjoy advantage for next few years. It isn't how much gold you have - it's about how fast you can earn gold.
After latest patch few old clans returned to DF. TheMercs are going to transfer to NA-1. Almost everything (skills, gear) is easy to get nowadays - so losing their legendary fortune (all items and all gold) during the transfer does not matter to them.
uhh yea darkfall is hardcore and harder than "real FPS" projectiles have longer flight time, which means you can't just aimbot (untill rays), you actually have to put effort into developing your character rather than instant gratification and you risk your items when you are out hunting people and it takes more than one shot ot kill someone so yes, DF is a much more hardcore game than "real FPS". There is always going to be someone better than you, deal with it.
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You are so wrong on that point. You never played America's army. Try it, i bet you wont even kill one player and this time please, dont say that players are using aimbots just because you cannot even kill one of them. There is also Counter strike 1.6 (NOT THAT EASY MODE SOURCE!!!)
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Yeah, and we anti-grinders are called stupid, but everytime AV reduce the grind we get more players. And everytime AV makes the pvp more competitive, high level players like Mr Lumps whine.
And that`s the magic and the trick in Darkfall, high level chars. You hear players like Lumb whine just because they`re having a harder time mawing down the low level players. The so called L33T player quit the game, just because the newbies got a little more health and the possibility to get some decent gear. AV broke the monopoly the high level players had on uber chars and good gear and they whine. This only show that their playerskill was nothing more than high level and top gear.
I`m still not happy, but I hope the new patch can make new player competitive in 1-2 months. Maybe the prestine classes is made so they don`t have to level every skill unders the sun to have a fair fight. And if they do I, wont cry like some other players in here. I don`t feel I`ve lost millions of gold, I feel we finally have the game we waited years to play. God, it would be awesome to have 10000 players fighting for citys and glory in Agon.
There are less and less hardcore players who realy dont care by building longterm character that take maybe 6 months or longer to max out and never complain about it.
These days all want instant uberness thats why Darkfall slowly chance and catered towards casuals and ex-themeparkers.
I understand to survive, AV needs to take steps to get subs but for vets like me its harder and harder to continuing playing seeing themeparkers taking over even sandbox games by whine and whine untill devs dumb down game so there happy also.
Im affraid i wont play mmo's in near future as oldtime hardcore gamer most games thesedays are to simple and to easy and to save to play:(
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People who use the word lol in an actual forum post should be beaten.
People who use it 3 times in said post should be beaten 3 more times, the last beating administered just because.
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Whats funny about vets like you and lump, you dont even boycott the game like we do. You whine, but you claim that you are still subbed and you will keep on paying for the next month. You guys whine are not treat at all. Even if you leave, what game you gonna join? There is no other game that have the same core feature that DF have. (FPS, full loot, open world pvp...) You gone too far on FPS gameplay to go back to target base. I know that.
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I highly doubt (aside from skill progression) that this... "lumps", would progress at all in EvE. This is the type of self centered, ego best player (not to be confused with elitest), that ends up in his own little low sec pocket calling himself king. A Null sec corp would most likely alt grief him just for fun to see how far he would rage. His own mouth would destroy his prospects for future null sec corps, as "adaptation" is the KEY player skill that EvE requires to be .... accepted, respected and admired. Not how many times you call someone nub, noob, ignoramous or any of the other punk rebukes his ignorance projects.
his forum name couldn't be more appropriate.
also note that DF is more a "twitch" based model, where as EvE is more that of cooperative stradegy model. Key word=cooperative. (as far as PvP is concerned) So far all this twit has been spewing off is how much DF has turned to bad because HE, (and he alone) can no longer excersise the great skill he supposedly posseses.
thanks for the laugh cowboy.
gl with EvE, (your nothing but food for intelligent pilots) but most likely you'll end up with Silk Road Online.
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LOL@ scrub trying to say eve takes skill. LOL
don't pretend like eve is hard, its not. lol. truth is, you prob couldn't handle DF because it takes actual player skill, not just time invested waiting for skill to train and reading stuff on the internet to figure out what to do, just like WoW in that sense, lol.
i dunno why you would say im bad, I can only assume you are an idiot for making that assumption.
Eve is a much easier game than DF and takes much less player skill. heck, you don't even have to pvp in eve if you don't want to, you can just sit in high sec all your life where no ships can hurt you.
its obvious this eve player takes himself way too seriously, thinking eve somehow takes skill or much brains at all, lol. Eve takes no skill and reqires very little brains since most people just copy each other and its not like its hard at all to click on a item on the menu and press all your button, lol.
i like eve and it has long term progression but i'm not going to pretend its hard or takes any amount of skill, lol. eve is action and reaction and its not hard to know what to do, its forumulaic and common sense really, it doesn't take "brains", lol @ joker trying to say eve takes any kind of player skill, lol. Eve is just like WoW b/c you just copy what the pros do and when you see that thing happen, you press the button, its as simple as that. what a joke, lol.
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guess what, what is fun for you may not be fun all. why dont you find an easier game you can have fun with rather than ruin ours? hmm? easymode whiners have already ruined the game enough
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I think you just went to point out why the patch was needed, since you had the HP advantage, you won, now that you don't have it, you lose "even the bads"... imo that means exactly one thing, YOU SUCKED! and the only way you could ever beat anyone was because of AN ADVANTAGE!
damn dude, listen to yourself. are you really that retarded to make those assumptions?
Take things to extremes much? it isn't about 1v1, its about not losing just b/c you are vs more than one guy. Semi-retarded shitty gamers have a hard time understanding that apparently.
Eve didn't get where its at by handing out long term progression character advantages, its pretty stupid to assume Darkfall would fail b/c it didn't cater to you whiney instant gratification scrubs who weren't willing to put forth the effort. No, Darkfall would have been fine once they had their box version, AV just got greedy and did some welfare gaming to appease the whiners. They will regret it im sure once some other major gaming company copys the model. blizzard will do the instant gratification and all these whiney children who think they should be able to compete with the best in DF will play that game and DF will no longer have pllayers at all, having ruined the one competitive niche it had. This is truth and only idiots cannot see it. I know you will post and say the sky is black.
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Hes not taking anyting to the extreme, hes just pointing out that you were a failure of a player and could only win with a small HP advantage, and pointing out that you just SAID IT YOURSELF!
The way you describe your new experience after the patch sound like Very hard mode for you only.
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umm, no, you are an assuming idiot that don't know wtf you are talking about. I am one of the better DF players, lots of people know me and my skills. you are one of the idiots who says the sky is black. I win tournaments and I am better than you in every day, deal with it.
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Your ingame name please. Other wise put your "win tournaments" else where. No proof = not done.
You were better as you had an edge over other players and now you arent better as you lack the skill to aim with magic and dont have a great advantage over other players. If you would have the player skill and other stuff you would play Darkfall as now player personl skill matters more then it was before.
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na, its actually better for me this way, I stay alive a lot longer. the only problem is when it comes to fighting outnumbered since it takes longer to kill people. You can't really argue with this, its a fact. It doesn't mean im bad or i can't handle it, im just pointing it out that this is welfare gaming and benefits zergs and scrubs who weren't willing to put forth the effort. you are an idiot to assume I can't handle this and am complaining b/c its too hard. I am a DF player and am better than you in every way.
lol so many idiots and their assumptions.
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turd burglar, i still win tournaments
. you are all shit to me. 
I am pro and you are not, deal with it.
I bet you guys are too cowardly to say your in-game names.
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world cup is on, later self trollers.
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Sry never heard of that name and especially not in a tournament. Ive asked my bro wo is still active in DFO and neither he never heard of you. I guess wanna be.
If you were pro you were playing and not whining on these forums how your char got ruined. Fact.
I cant wait till your next QQ crusade, when they even more go away from grind / time advantages over other players :-)
Will be epic to read your QQ crusade once more.
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