As a player of 3 RIFT betas and 4 Years of WoW (Retired launch player) I can safely say that I still love WoW but will never go back. Why? Gear grind.
What is RIFT shaping up to be? Gear grind.
What advantage does RIFT have over WoW? Balls.
What advantage does WoW have over RIFT? Everything else.
GEAR GRIND the next year MMO is based on that SWTOR , GW2 , TERA everything , its a psychological factor that works
What seperate RIFT from WOW is character specialisation , something wow totally threw away , seems they are trying to fix that in RIFT , this can make a difference in having fun as a player by finding your own FORMULA own PLAYSTYLE own TOON you created or combined ....
ITs a huge addiction that wow threw away , sometimes a player finds things on there own , how things work .
The other Factor like most people are waiting to see is PVP since a unbalanced so many choices is impossible to balance
There is no one build that does it all in PVP , only thing balancing is preventing a 2 shot -3 shot comination that works against all . so this is again refreshing since no guide out there who tells you what to do .against X build .
and HIGHLEVEL rift system .this i dont know shit about , i guess i have to play to see it . (cant even speculate anymore after the input of beta people)
See more fundamental difference then what you wrote .
Let's be fair man, WoW has NEVER had real customization. All the specs were fundamentally the same except gimmicks like Elemental Mages and HARP Rogues. Sure, my RIFT character is a beast - and I have yet to see anyone that carries my spec or my control on a Warrior Archetype.
The fact of the matter is, RIFTs skills share many MANY similarities but that doesn't stop it from being a fun game for the time being. Go look at a rogue and a warriors first few skills from each tree... the only differences you will see are some Rogue skills are ranged, some are melee. Some Warrior skills tank, some melee. The only real difference most of the time is the name of the skill and 1 or 2 damage. That is NOT "extreme" character customization. It took me a couple of rerolls to find a really unique character archetype and I must admit... the 5v1 PvP fights I've won on the game already tell me it was a good choice. Oh, also DPS Tanked Fae - don't get me wrong I am having fun. But for the most part, do you really want to get to the end game just to improve your gear for the sake of replacing it with better gear in higher tiered dungeons?
Oh and... SWTOR and GW2 will not be like that. Some worry the end-game in those titles will be actually less evolved in the challenge department. Time will tell, but experience with RIFT tells me that gear is a HUGE factor.
Sadly my instinct tells me all games are going for the skinner box approach , its the easiest and even the fanboi dont realise they are being used , so simply put next year its gear grind , not mandatory , but sadly none the less gear grind .
Since its pyschological and gives instant gratification when you have syndrome one way or another .
Even casual gamers logging in want to be rewarded one way or another .
Its proven concept just like marketing and fanboi trolling , no disrespect meant .
And no matter what people say , wisdom comes with age , some are natural wiser then others .
While the youth may be smarter doesn´t mean they are wiser .
About SWTOR some people will replay 8 classes out of boredom just to go trough atleast every awesome story arc once .
With Rift its sadly about the character specialisation , finding your own fun toon , and the rifts itself .
GW2 I am not seeing all design concept in place yet , only promises , truth be told am not interested till the game is really finished and set on release , or have 1 global structure idea instead of zillion promises .
But sofar what wow offers if the competition product is finished and polished , is only this EXTREME GEAR GRIND .
Some love it and it can never end , but for most 6 years the same is enough .
Bumping this.
When I played RIFT, from the get-go it felt like "WoW 2.0" with basically the graphics enhanced and the addition of RIFTS (which aren't innovative, same with the invasions). But gave it a shot, it was fun but unfortunately didn't last. It felt like I was playing WoW all over again just under a different skin. I've heard the fanboi debate on how Trion wanted to "take the best things and polish them" but come on, WoW did it best and RIFT definitely does not do it better (personal opinion for people who get upset really fast).
Now seeing what they've advertised is indeed funny but I'm laughing at Trion. It just seems more and more that the only thing Trion wants to do right now is bang on the WoW success by trying to emulate it, on a business standpoint that sounds great but for the gamers it's just the same routine (this goes for some other games also).
Trion knows they've got people convinced to "replay" through everything in their MMO, so why not get the WoW community to check out RIFT and do the same. It's the same game so not much of a transition.
Seems like a very good-natured digg. Kind of like "Hey, for those of you who enjoyed WoW, but are sick of WoW, here's a great alternative with a new twist!" And that's exactly what the game delivers.
I tried to start a thread about this in the WoW forums, it died in 30mins got a few comment like lol looks crap and one guy said it was ok and they went back to talking about future races to add in next expansions.
The only game that gets the WoW forum any notice is SWTOR. Mention any other game and the thread won't even go a second page.
Seems like a very good-natured digg. Kind of like "Hey, for those of you who enjoyed WoW, but are sick of WoW, here's a great alternative with a new twist!" And that's exactly what the game delivers.
I tried to start a thread about this in the WoW forums, it died in 30mins got a few comment like lol looks crap and one guy said it was ok and they went back to talking about future races to add in next expansions.
The only game that gets the WoW forum any notice is SWTOR. Mention any other game and the thread won't even go a second page.
Seems like a very good-natured digg. Kind of like "Hey, for those of you who enjoyed WoW, but are sick of WoW, here's a great alternative with a new twist!" And that's exactly what the game delivers.
To me just sounded like, "we are here to challenge WoW"... the big problem is with marketing like this they already made a big mistake. I know that their intention is to spread the word, but probably the majority of the people who see this are just gonna bash it and laugh. I used to play WoW from time to time, but i don't love that game and yet my 1st though was, "why? why do this guys ruined this trailer, with this phrase", so i imagine the thoughts of the WoW fans.
I tried to start a thread about this in the WoW forums, it died in 30mins got a few comment like lol looks crap and one guy said it was ok and they went back to talking about future races to add in next expansions.
The only game that gets the WoW forum any notice is SWTOR. Mention any other game and the thread won't even go a second page.
I tried to start a thread about this in the WoW forums, it died in 30mins got a few comment like lol looks crap and one guy said it was ok and they went back to talking about future races to add in next expansions.
The only game that gets the WoW forum any notice is SWTOR. Mention any other game and the thread won't even go a second page.
And that's the attention span of the usual 1.000 forum posters.
You really think that the mmorpg landscape will look much different in 2012 ?
I tried to start a thread about this in the WoW forums, it died in 30mins got a few comment like lol looks crap and one guy said it was ok and they went back to talking about future races to add in next expansions.
The only game that gets the WoW forum any notice is SWTOR. Mention any other game and the thread won't even go a second page.
Thats interesting, I wonder why?
They're used to it. Aion tried to do the same thing and the majority of WoW players just ignored it.
I tried to start a thread about this in the WoW forums, it died in 30mins got a few comment like lol looks crap and one guy said it was ok and they went back to talking about future races to add in next expansions.
The only game that gets the WoW forum any notice is SWTOR. Mention any other game and the thread won't even go a second page.
Thats interesting, I wonder why?
They're used to it. Aion tried to do the same thing and the majority of WoW players just ignored it.
Why should they invest time and money in having less ? Isn't this the key that answers all questions ?
Way to flat out say who your biggest competition will be in your own trailer. Does nothing but promote a false sense of battle between the two games. I can be a really good game and still will be nothing out of WoW's pocket.
Everyone wants to be the next WoW killer, make your own stuff, carve out your own player base and be happy I say.
I don't think any developer expects to be a WoW killer, they just want piece of the action.
Way to flat out say who your biggest competition will be in your own trailer. Does nothing but promote a false sense of battle between the two games. I can be a really good game and still will be nothing out of WoW's pocket.
Everyone wants to be the next WoW killer, make your own stuff, carve out your own player base and be happy I say.
I don't think any developer expects to be a WoW killer, they just want piece of the action.
In fact by doing this, they make publicity for the market leader.
It is like everyone remembers the leading star but very few remember the secondary product.
WOW. Oh surprise, yet a new thread with WOW in its title.
Way to flat out say who your biggest competition will be in your own trailer. Does nothing but promote a false sense of battle between the two games. I can be a really good game and still will be nothing out of WoW's pocket.
Everyone wants to be the next WoW killer, make your own stuff, carve out your own player base and be happy I say.
I don't think any developer expects to be a WoW killer, they just want piece of the action.
Didn't they invest like 100 mill in this game?
Many companies want a piece of WoW's pie but they find out soon enough they get more than they bargened for. WoW players are perfectly happy in Azeroth.
What is so funny to me is this may make some disgruntled WoWers join up and expect some revolutionary next gen title and then get... the exact same thing they have been playing haha.
Rift is such a ripoff of existing games it isn't even funny. There is 0 innovation, 0 originality, and it is just boring. This was a stupid move I think.
No, just no. And this is the misery of WoW today and in recent years. And it shows again with people already getting fed up up with the Cataclysm = WOTLK endgame aka get reputation, grind normals/heros etc.
Blizzard has lost any ability, creativity, imagination and hold of their own game. Constant nerfing, buffing, almost desperate fiddling with base mechanics because they aren't able to hit the middle once. Patches take forever, copy+paste old code is all they brought up for years. Blizzard's original team may have coded Rift in their coffee break, but the company formerly known as Blizzard Entertainment, now "Activision" is not able to.
This doesn't make Rift a better game and i also find the commercial rather silly.
But there are tons of people who would love to play a WoW-like game as long as it isn't WoW, made by Blizzard or with Kotick's greedy hands on it.
Seems like a very good-natured digg. Kind of like "Hey, for those of you who enjoyed WoW, but are sick of WoW, here's a great alternative with a new twist!" And that's exactly what the game delivers.
I guess.
I got sick of WoW and because of that i will not be playing Rift.
I played 8 hours straight in the last event once it was up. Like others have said it really felt like playing WoW 2.
Theres nothing wrong with that, the games beautiful but i will definitely not be playing it.
I realy dont see how any WoW fan would want to quit for it tho. I would say anybody that has not played WoW or any mmorpg would enjoy Rift very much.
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I think they more likely taking a dig at you players (who were bitching and moaning of this being yet another WoW clone), than taking a dig at Blizzard.
I think they more likely taking a dig at you players (who were bitching and moaning of this being yet another WoW clone), than taking a dig at Blizzard.
Vanguard's lead designer was one of the guys who created EQ. Look how that turned out...
...when they ran out of money, fired everyone, and rushed the project out the door.
All of which was directly related to the piss poor decisions he made as CEO and as the project lead. Sigil's failure and VG's poor launch are ultimately all on him and no one else. Vanguard was his baby, and if he'd done his damned job correctly, the game might have launched in much better shape than it did and his company might have survived.
Rift's developers don't look like they're in the same position as VG's were. I can't speak to the game itself, since all I know are the bits I've read here on this site, and nothing more. But the point is that just because someone was a developer on EQ or whatever game doesn't immediately translate to a great game elsewhere. Past performance isn't always a sign of future success.
Vanguard's lead designer was one of the guys who created EQ. Look how that turned out...
...when they ran out of money, fired everyone, and rushed the project out the door.
All of which was directly related to the piss poor decisions he made as CEO and as the project lead. Sigil's failure and VG's poor launch are ultimately all on him and no one else. Vanguard was his baby, and if he'd done his damned job correctly, the game might have launched in much better shape than it did and his company might have survived.
Rift's developers don't look like they're in the same position as VG's were. I can't speak to the game itself, since all I know are the bits I've read here on this site, and nothing more. But the point is that just because someone was a developer on EQ or whatever game doesn't immediately translate to a great game elsewhere. Past performance isn't always a sign of future success.
I have been in 2 RIFT beta's so far. And let me tell you that this game is already more solid and polished than Vanguard will ever be.
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When I played RIFT, from the get-go it felt like "WoW 2.0" with basically the graphics enhanced and the addition of RIFTS (which aren't innovative, same with the invasions). But gave it a shot, it was fun but unfortunately didn't last. It felt like I was playing WoW all over again just under a different skin. I've heard the fanboi debate on how Trion wanted to "take the best things and polish them" but come on, WoW did it best and RIFT definitely does not do it better (personal opinion for people who get upset really fast).
Now seeing what they've advertised is indeed funny but I'm laughing at Trion. It just seems more and more that the only thing Trion wants to do right now is bang on the WoW success by trying to emulate it, on a business standpoint that sounds great but for the gamers it's just the same routine (this goes for some other games also).
Trion knows they've got people convinced to "replay" through everything in their MMO, so why not get the WoW community to check out RIFT and do the same. It's the same game so not much of a transition.
Seems like a very good-natured digg. Kind of like "Hey, for those of you who enjoyed WoW, but are sick of WoW, here's a great alternative with a new twist!" And that's exactly what the game delivers.
The only game that gets the WoW forum any notice is SWTOR. Mention any other game and the thread won't even go a second page.
100% true
^^
To me just sounded like, "we are here to challenge WoW"... the big problem is with marketing like this they already made a big mistake. I know that their intention is to spread the word, but probably the majority of the people who see this are just gonna bash it and laugh. I used to play WoW from time to time, but i don't love that game and yet my 1st though was, "why? why do this guys ruined this trailer, with this phrase", so i imagine the thoughts of the WoW fans.
Thats interesting, I wonder why?
And that's the attention span of the usual 1.000 forum posters.
You really think that the mmorpg landscape will look much different in 2012 ?
Good luck. After all it is your money of course.
They're used to it. Aion tried to do the same thing and the majority of WoW players just ignored it.
Why should they invest time and money in having less ? Isn't this the key that answers all questions ?
I don't think any developer expects to be a WoW killer, they just want piece of the action.
In fact by doing this, they make publicity for the market leader.
It is like everyone remembers the leading star but very few remember the secondary product.
WOW. Oh surprise, yet a new thread with WOW in its title.
Didn't they invest like 100 mill in this game?
Many companies want a piece of WoW's pie but they find out soon enough they get more than they bargened for. WoW players are perfectly happy in Azeroth.
watched it in supposed "hi def," utter crap. nothing new to this game,nother game going on the ignore list.
What is so funny to me is this may make some disgruntled WoWers join up and expect some revolutionary next gen title and then get... the exact same thing they have been playing haha.
Rift is such a ripoff of existing games it isn't even funny. There is 0 innovation, 0 originality, and it is just boring. This was a stupid move I think.
...when they ran out of money, fired everyone, and rushed the project out the door.
Be that as it may, Trion is not in the same position as Sigil was.
No, just no. And this is the misery of WoW today and in recent years. And it shows again with people already getting fed up up with the Cataclysm = WOTLK endgame aka get reputation, grind normals/heros etc.
Blizzard has lost any ability, creativity, imagination and hold of their own game. Constant nerfing, buffing, almost desperate fiddling with base mechanics because they aren't able to hit the middle once. Patches take forever, copy+paste old code is all they brought up for years. Blizzard's original team may have coded Rift in their coffee break, but the company formerly known as Blizzard Entertainment, now "Activision" is not able to.
This doesn't make Rift a better game and i also find the commercial rather silly.
But there are tons of people who would love to play a WoW-like game as long as it isn't WoW, made by Blizzard or with Kotick's greedy hands on it.
I guess.
I got sick of WoW and because of that i will not be playing Rift.
I played 8 hours straight in the last event once it was up. Like others have said it really felt like playing WoW 2.
Theres nothing wrong with that, the games beautiful but i will definitely not be playing it.
I realy dont see how any WoW fan would want to quit for it tho. I would say anybody that has not played WoW or any mmorpg would enjoy Rift very much.
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LOL. I say it again in this topic.
I think they more likely taking a dig at you players (who were bitching and moaning of this being yet another WoW clone), than taking a dig at Blizzard.
You see too much into this.
If WAR had a 3rd faction from the start it would still own the market IMHO
There was nothing wrong with WAR imo, it just needed some tweaking thats all.
exactly my toughts too
All of which was directly related to the piss poor decisions he made as CEO and as the project lead. Sigil's failure and VG's poor launch are ultimately all on him and no one else. Vanguard was his baby, and if he'd done his damned job correctly, the game might have launched in much better shape than it did and his company might have survived.
Rift's developers don't look like they're in the same position as VG's were. I can't speak to the game itself, since all I know are the bits I've read here on this site, and nothing more. But the point is that just because someone was a developer on EQ or whatever game doesn't immediately translate to a great game elsewhere. Past performance isn't always a sign of future success.
Because it's BioWare. That's why. They're one of the few companies that could give Blizzard a run for their money if SWTOR is done right.
I have been in 2 RIFT beta's so far. And let me tell you that this game is already more solid and polished than Vanguard will ever be.
And they still got 2 months left till launch.