My questions has always been why dont people call WoW an EQ clone which it absolutely is. It did nothign terribly different than EQ and everyoneknows it. So the WoWclone statement sounds ridiculous everytime I hear it. Therefore, its damn near impossible for me to take anyones opinion seriously when they try to say something is a "wowclone." honestly it just makes them sound like a cretin.
Because if you actually played the two games you'd know quite well how differently they actually are and wouldn't resort to namecalling about concepts that you don't agree with/understand.
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UI, Global cooldown, Quests, Abilities, Soul System - WoW specs, Warhammer publ quests - Rifts, same professions as WoW, similar death penalty as WoW, ghost run to corpse, no pulling classes, similar dungeons, similar icons for abilities even.
Lying is not going to help Rift, bad site and bad writer who tries to deceive players. Maybe Trion employee? I wonder.
So... what fantasy based MMO do you play (know of) that is so very different that WoW, War, EQ2, VG, ect,ect,ect,ect? from what i've seen, they all tend to borrow heavily from their predecessors.
Games like FFXI and EVE comes to mind.
Btw, "etc" is short for "etcetera" which translates to "and further". What does "ect" mean?
My questions has always been why dont people call WoW an EQ clone which it absolutely is. It did nothign terribly different than EQ and everyoneknows it. So the WoWclone statement sounds ridiculous everytime I hear it. Therefore, its damn near impossible for me to take anyones opinion seriously when they try to say something is a "wowclone." honestly it just makes them sound like a cretin.
When EQ's population peaked they had something like 450k. WoW is now at 12 + million.
Most mmo players have no idea what EQ is/was and would certainly never use a term like EQ clone. The term WoW clone is often used as an insult on internet forums, but for people like me it's just a heads up to friends inquiring about a game that I know have played WoW at some point.
As has been mentioned in other threads, it's a good point of reference for many people who came into the genre with Blizzy's baby.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
I played both EQ and WoW. Along with DAoC, Ultima Online, Champions online, WAR, AC 1 and 2 and Horizons (lol)
and if there are any on that list that have the most similarities it's EQ and WoW. Wow took the traditional EQ formula and made a better game of it. They are remarkably similar.
I didnt namecall at all so I have no clue what you are talking about in that instance. I said using the term WoWclone makes you sound like a cretin, AKA it makes you sound like you have no clue what you are talkign about.
As some of the more informed posters here have already mentioned, I certainly think there are MMOs close enough to be called EQs grandchildren (AKA a clone of WoW) but that name is applied to every game that comes out that shares the traditional MMO formula. I mean the WoWclone crowd is even calling DMO a wow clone even though its an action based MMO that is sci fi and has a heavy emphasis on vehicle combat. Thats quite a ways off from WoW, yet people are still throwing the garbage WoWclone nonesense at it.
As far as rift is concerned, There isnt much new going on IMO but it has its draw for sure. that certainly doesnt make it an EQ... ERRRR WoW clone.
My questions has always been why dont people call WoW an EQ clone which it absolutely is. It did nothign terribly different than EQ and everyoneknows it. So the WoWclone statement sounds ridiculous everytime I hear it. Therefore, its damn near impossible for me to take anyones opinion seriously when they try to say something is a "wowclone." honestly it just makes them sound like a cretin.
When EQ's population peaked they had something like 450k. WoW is now at 12 + million.
Most mmo players have no idea what EQ is/was and would certainly never use a term like EQ clone. The term WoW clone is often used as an insult on internet forums, but for people like me it's just a heads up to friends inquiring about a game that I know have played WoW at some point.
As has been mentioned in other threads, it's a good point of reference for many people who came into the genre with Blizzy's baby.
This is to say that the people who use the term WoWclone have little insight as to what came before.
My questions has always been why dont people call WoW an EQ clone which it absolutely is. It did nothign terribly different than EQ and everyoneknows it. So the WoWclone statement sounds ridiculous everytime I hear it. Therefore, its damn near impossible for me to take anyones opinion seriously when they try to say something is a "wowclone." honestly it just makes them sound like a cretin.
When EQ's population peaked they had something like 450k. WoW is now at 12 + million.
Most mmo players have no idea what EQ is/was and would certainly never use a term like EQ clone. The term WoW clone is often used as an insult on internet forums, but for people like me it's just a heads up to friends inquiring about a game that I know have played WoW at some point.
As has been mentioned in other threads, it's a good point of reference for many people who came into the genre with Blizzy's baby.
This is to say that the people who use the term WoWclone have little insight as to what came before.
Yup.
Before WoW, the industry was far from mainstream. Unless they are interested in the history of mmorpgs, how/why would they have any insight at all?
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
I played both EQ and WoW. Along with DAoC, Ultima Online, Champions online, WAR, AC 1 and 2 and Horizons (lol)
and if there are any on that list that have the most similarities it's EQ and WoW. Wow took the traditional EQ formula and made a better game of it. They are remarkably similar.
I didnt namecall at all so I have no clue what you are talking about in that instance. I said using the term WoWclone makes you sound like a cretin, AKA it mkaes you sound like you have no clue what you are talkign about.
As some of the more informed posters here have already mentioned, I certainly think there are MMOs close enough to be called EQs grandchildren (AKA a clone of WoW) but that name is applied to every game that comes out that shares the traditional MMO formula. I mean the WoWclone crowd is even calling DMO a wow clone even though its an action based MMO that is sci fi and has a heavy emphasis on vehicle combat. Thats quite a ways off from WoW, yet people are still throwing the garbage WoWclone nonesense at it.
As far as rift is conserned, There isnt much new going on IMO but it has its draw for sure. that certainly doesnt make it an EQ... ERRRR WoW clone.
Clone, clone, clone, clone, clone He he what eva. I think MMORPG defines it better in their article "Tradition Can Work"
The reason so many Rift fans are going to such great lengths to discredit the fact that this game is just more of the same is because there are so many people who do believe that it is as such.
If there was no credibility to all of our complaints about Rift being a subpar WoW/WAR clone then there probably wouldn't be so many of us whining.
It has nothing to do with whether or not this game is more of the same. It has everything to do with the fact that the game is just plain fun to some people. It seems it is those of you, who want to "whine" that people actually enjoy this game. These forums for this game would be quite a bit shorter with less posts if we could actually talk about the game and what is in it rather than wasting our time with people who obviously don't care about the game and whose only point in life is to call everybody else losers who do play it.
I played both EQ and WoW. Along with DAoC, Ultima Online, Champions online, WAR, AC 1 and 2 and Horizons (lol)
and if there are any on that list that have the most similarities it's EQ and WoW. Wow took the traditional EQ formula and made a better game of it. They are remarkably similar.
As far as rift is concerned, There isnt much new going on IMO but it has its draw for sure. that certainly doesnt make it an EQ... ERRRR WoW clone.
Yes. But more to your point, I'll throw in EQ2 and Lineage (Ashersons Call gets honerable mention again) that pre-dated WoW. WoW, as with its predecessors, was an evolutionary (different state of game) product in several respects, but at the same time borrowed from its' predecessors.
Funny how Rift is also an evolutionary product in several respects that also borrows from its' predecessors, but many will sick their kitty-cat on ya for drawing attention away from the attempt to falsify reality.
So yea, it does have draw, and even if the differences are slight, they can be considered dramatic against the backdrop of failure over the last 5-years.
Striving for Silver Stars since Gold is so effeminate.
The reason so many Rift fans are going to such great lengths to discredit the fact that this game is just more of the same is because there are so many people who do believe that it is as such.
If there was no credibility to all of our complaints about Rift being a subpar WoW/WAR clone then there probably wouldn't be so many of us whining.
Keep in mind, a lot of people said a lot of the same things about WoW being a sub-par EQ clone back when WoW was still in beta.
Rifts are different yes but from what I understand they are just gimmicks.
I would say this game is WAR version 2.
From what you understand? So you haven't even played the game???
If your answer is yes, who really cares what you would say?
Edited to add: I found your subsequent post where you claim to have played for 10 hours... It was ok until I got to the part about participating in a 100+ person raid and it crashing the server, then I knew. You haven't played the game. Not really. I have been in every beta and not ONCE in the 100+ hours I've logged so far has the server crashed as a result of a rift of invasion. NOT EVEN ONCE. Hell, they had 500+ people in Silverwood for the very first invasion EVER and it didn't crash the server.
I have been in Rift beta several times my first experience was being told I need to roll back my graphics card drivers to a version that predates my current driver by 2 versions. I have little faith in a game producer that tells me all the fixes involve rolling my computer's drivers back because it shows me how much development effort they put in. Working on content is all well and good, same for storyline, but telling me I must make my computer into something lesser then it is to play their games is an immediate turn away issue for me. It shows me their true dedication to this project, because if they are not updating their drivers or fixing the issues on their server's end or coming out with a new client that that is keeping up with current drivers and hardware they have no intention of doing it later. Now do not get me wrong here, I am not trashing this game, on the lowest settings w/o the driver roll back I did explore some of it and content was interesting game play was okay, but I would not pay a subscription for it because of the lack luster development and the need to downgrade my system to play it seriously.
I am a plug and play type of guy, If I plug it in and it doesn't play then its broke in my book.
I have been in Rift beta several times my first experience was being told I need to roll back my graphics card drivers to a version that predates my current driver by 2 versions. I have little faith in a game producer that tells me all the fixes involve rolling my computer's drivers back because it shows me how much development effort they put in. Working on content is all well and good, same for storyline, but telling me I must make my computer into something lesser then it is to play their games is an immediate turn away issue for me. It shows me their true dedication to this project, because if they are not updating their drivers or fixing the issues on their server's end or coming out with a new client that that is keeping up with current drivers and hardware they have no intention of doing it later. Now do not get me wrong here, I am not trashing this game, on the lowest settings w/o the driver roll back I did explore some of it and content was interesting game play was okay, but I would not pay a subscription for it because of the lack luster development and the need to downgrade my system to play it seriously. I am a plug and play type of guy, If I plug it in and it doesn't play then its broke in my book.
You know you were playing beta right? I run the latest ATI drivers, 11.1, for a HD 5770 and was not prompted to revert to a previous version. My wife runs a Nvidia 9600 GT card (I know, she needs an ugrade) and she was prompted to upgrade to the latest graphics driver. Not sure what you are referring to regarding graphics drivers, no probs here with either of our rigs with latest greatest driver set from Nvidia or ATI/AMD.
Did you post to the Rift technical forums or try to contact Trion support? They are quite attentive and responsive.
When I read this... "The key question to ask yourself when you play RIFT is this: Are you doing the same things you have done in other MMOs, or has Trion changed the way you see and interact with virtual worlds in an MMO?" My answer was Yes, now that Trion has changed the Racials the way they have, I am doing the same things I've done in other MMOs. And closer inspection does nothing to dispell this impression. That is to say: If I want to roll a Mage, then I absolutely will roll an Eth, and no other race. Because I want every advantage possible, no matter how small. See the previous racials may have had imbalances, but they were far more flexible. They didn't promote a narrow view of what roles a particular race might fill.
This is a clear example of Trion NOT choosing wisely when making a decision to change something. And if they will do it for this, then who knows what they will do next! My take is that this was done to appease a vocal minority on their forums. But if we are honest with ourselves we realize that Players are far too biased, capricous, and self centered, to make judgement calls of this type. And once Trion goes down this road it will be nothing but trouble. And IMO Rift will then be nothing but a WoWhammer clone.
Given how well WoW has done over the last 6 plus years, I'm always amused by those who think that comparing a game to WoW is an insult, or some type of negative. From what I've seen so far, Rift is what WoW would have been if it launched in 2011, rather than 2004. It also has aspects of Warhammer. But both of those are very well blended into its own package of entertainment. I'm quite looking forward to seeing how well Rift does in the current market. If they can pull in a sustained player base of 750K to a million plus, I suspect we will see much more from them. Depending on how things go, I'd not be surprised if they get higher numbers than that.
I have been in Rift beta several times my first experience was being told I need to roll back my graphics card drivers to a version that predates my current driver by 2 versions. I have little faith in a game producer that tells me all the fixes involve rolling my computer's drivers back because it shows me how much development effort they put in. Working on content is all well and good, same for storyline, but telling me I must make my computer into something lesser then it is to play their games is an immediate turn away issue for me. It shows me their true dedication to this project, because if they are not updating their drivers or fixing the issues on their server's end or coming out with a new client that that is keeping up with current drivers and hardware they have no intention of doing it later. Now do not get me wrong here, I am not trashing this game, on the lowest settings w/o the driver roll back I did explore some of it and content was interesting game play was okay, but I would not pay a subscription for it because of the lack luster development and the need to downgrade my system to play it seriously. I am a plug and play type of guy, If I plug it in and it doesn't play then its broke in my book.
Heh, yeah... Snerk...
ATI driver issues, who'd a thunk it? That's never happened in the history of gaming, right?
If it was a Trion problem then why did ATI release a driver update to fix it?
When I read this... "The key question to ask yourself when you play RIFT is this: Are you doing the same things you have done in other MMOs, or has Trion changed the way you see and interact with virtual worlds in an MMO?" My answer was Yes, now that Trion has changed the Racials the way they have, I am doing the same things I've done in other MMOs. And closer inspection does nothing to dispell this impression. That is to say: If I want to roll a Mage, then I absolutely will roll an Eth, and no other race. Because I want every advantage possible, no matter how small. See the previous racials may have had imbalances, but they were far more flexible. They didn't promote a narrow view of what roles a particular race might fill.
This is a clear example of Trion NOT choosing wisely when making a decision to change something. And if they will do it for this, then who knows what they will do next! My take is that this was done to appease a vocal minority on their forums. But if we are honest with ourselves we realize that Players are far too biased, capricous, and self centered, to make judgement calls of this type. And once Trion goes down this road it will be nothing but trouble. And IMO Rift will then be nothing but a WoWhammer clone.
Couldn't even be bothered to read the full article, it was as boring as playing the game. It makes the same arguements that were wrong the 5000 other times fanboys made them. It is WoWHammer. Rifts are virtually public quests, yes they have random spawns and yes they have the potential to inconvience you if you are trying to do quests, is that better or worse than Warhammer's PQs? up to you I suppose. And Being able to do instanced content or PQ's instead of regular quests is hardly considered alternative leveling paths.
As to the people saying you are not allowed an opinion unless you got past lvl 10... Well, if 30 seconds after watching the intro cinematic makes you want to quit, it really doesn't matter what they do past lvl 10. Not that it matters at all in rifts case, because lvl 10 and above is the same exact game you've played already in WoW and Warhammer.
Save yourself the hassles and problems that come with a new launch and the uncertaintity of a new company. If you like Rift, go play an MMO with years more content and a stable population. Normally, I'd say if you have fun in a game, thats great. However in the case of Rift, if you enjoy it, there are games with much more content that are identical, go play one of those instead.
Seriously why so much hate? Did any dev dumped you or what?
For once that a studio is launching a polished MMO and not having players paying beta they deserves better than this rant. If you make your decision about playing a game on a trailer I guess you should stay in AoC which has a nice one and maybe move to the even better TOR one. I'd be interested in knowing which game(s) have identical content and game play as Rift because honestly I don't know any.
UI, Global cooldown, Quests, Abilities, Soul System - WoW specs, Warhammer publ quests - Rifts, same professions as WoW, similar death penalty as WoW, ghost run to corpse, no pulling classes, similar dungeons, similar icons for abilities even.
Lying is not going to help Rift, bad site and bad writer who tries to deceive players. Maybe Trion employee? I wonder.
So... what fantasy based MMO do you play (know of) that is so very different that WoW, War, EQ2, VG, ect,ect,ect,ect? from what i've seen, they all tend to borrow heavily from their predecessors.
Games like FFXI and EVE comes to mind.
Btw, "etc" is short for "etcetera" which translates to "and further". What does "ect" mean?
I can't speak on either FF mmo's because i haven't played them, but from videos i have watched, i have seen several 'similarites' in game design to other mmo's of the fantasy genre. Eve is not a fantasy rpg, so it really doesn'y apply to anything i spoke of. i'm glad Eve is out there for those who like that genre, it looks like a great game, just nothing i would ever get into.
as far as the latter part of your post. if i decided to point out every grammar error i see in online threads, i would never get around to doing anything productive. but thanks i guess. i make that mistake a lot.
Definitely a cross between WoW and Warhammer but the thing is that Trion can actually polish a game better than both Blizzard and Mythic. I still think it is a good vacaton spot until TOR and GW2.
All in all Rift is a well put together game. I enjoyed my time in the Betas, just not enough to make me want to buy it though. As for is it a wowhammer? of course it is. They took the best parts of previous mmos and put them in thier game with minor tweeks, and they did this very very well. I dont agree with most of thearticles views. Rift invasions = mobile WAR PQs. This is true in all the zones not just the beginer zones. Soul system= choose your own talent trees. I used to think this was very new and inventive but after thinking about it for awhile determined that it is just a modified talent tree system. I admit it is a very good tweak and I do really like it. For the statement that you can level through PVP, Dungeons, Rifts, and questing, this is true, but you could do that in many mmos. The problem is questing is by far the fastest way to go so you are kind of forced to quest. You have to be at least lvl 10 to PVP, and unless you are in the headstart fighting in the instance pvp at lvl 10 is not a good idea. You are too easily killed and gimp the entire team. We will have the same problem in these instanced PVP that there was in WAR. ( The instanced pvp is exactly the same in WAR same objectives and everything just the maps have changed.) Good teams are going to wipe the PUGs of the other side, as they should, but many will stop queing leading to longer wait times. If they had team instanced and solo instance seperate that may help.
I still think it is a well put together game and I hope it does well. I doubt it will be a blockbuster but it will probably have a decent following. Only time will tell if it will hold its numbers.
I think the main disconnect by the haters is that there seems to be a belief that there's still something left to invent when it comes to fantasy based MMOS. There's not. It's all been done. It's all going to be familiar or even repeated. All you get is new paint, and you either like the color or you don't.
I think the main disconnect by the haters is that there seems to be a belief that there's still something left to invent when it comes to fantasy based MMOS. There's not. It's all been done. It's all going to be familiar or even repeated. All you get is new paint, and you either like the color or you don't.
This is a stupid thing to say. Just because you or somebody else cannot think of anything innovative or inventive into a game doesn't mean that there is absolutely nothing left that hasn't been done before. I guarantee you that if everybody on this planet tried to think of something entirely new or tried to think of a way to improve something then you would get something new.
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Because if you actually played the two games you'd know quite well how differently they actually are and wouldn't resort to namecalling about concepts that you don't agree with/understand.
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Games like FFXI and EVE comes to mind.
Btw, "etc" is short for "etcetera" which translates to "and further". What does "ect" mean?
When EQ's population peaked they had something like 450k. WoW is now at 12 + million.
Most mmo players have no idea what EQ is/was and would certainly never use a term like EQ clone. The term WoW clone is often used as an insult on internet forums, but for people like me it's just a heads up to friends inquiring about a game that I know have played WoW at some point.
As has been mentioned in other threads, it's a good point of reference for many people who came into the genre with Blizzy's baby.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
I played both EQ and WoW. Along with DAoC, Ultima Online, Champions online, WAR, AC 1 and 2 and Horizons (lol)
and if there are any on that list that have the most similarities it's EQ and WoW. Wow took the traditional EQ formula and made a better game of it. They are remarkably similar.
I didnt namecall at all so I have no clue what you are talking about in that instance. I said using the term WoWclone makes you sound like a cretin, AKA it makes you sound like you have no clue what you are talkign about.
As some of the more informed posters here have already mentioned, I certainly think there are MMOs close enough to be called EQs grandchildren (AKA a clone of WoW) but that name is applied to every game that comes out that shares the traditional MMO formula. I mean the WoWclone crowd is even calling DMO a wow clone even though its an action based MMO that is sci fi and has a heavy emphasis on vehicle combat. Thats quite a ways off from WoW, yet people are still throwing the garbage WoWclone nonesense at it.
As far as rift is concerned, There isnt much new going on IMO but it has its draw for sure. that certainly doesnt make it an EQ... ERRRR WoW clone.
This is to say that the people who use the term WoWclone have little insight as to what came before.
Yup.
Before WoW, the industry was far from mainstream. Unless they are interested in the history of mmorpgs, how/why would they have any insight at all?
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Clone, clone, clone, clone, clone He he what eva. I think MMORPG defines it better in their article "Tradition Can Work"
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/431/feature/4953
Enough of the clone talk and trying to figure out the eight degrees of WoW or EQ or UO. Pong is the Grandfather of all!
It has nothing to do with whether or not this game is more of the same. It has everything to do with the fact that the game is just plain fun to some people. It seems it is those of you, who want to "whine" that people actually enjoy this game. These forums for this game would be quite a bit shorter with less posts if we could actually talk about the game and what is in it rather than wasting our time with people who obviously don't care about the game and whose only point in life is to call everybody else losers who do play it.
Yes. But more to your point, I'll throw in EQ2 and Lineage (Ashersons Call gets honerable mention again) that pre-dated WoW. WoW, as with its predecessors, was an evolutionary (different state of game) product in several respects, but at the same time borrowed from its' predecessors.
Funny how Rift is also an evolutionary product in several respects that also borrows from its' predecessors, but many will sick their kitty-cat on ya for drawing attention away from the attempt to falsify reality.
So yea, it does have draw, and even if the differences are slight, they can be considered dramatic against the backdrop of failure over the last 5-years.
Striving for Silver Stars since Gold is so effeminate.
Keep in mind, a lot of people said a lot of the same things about WoW being a sub-par EQ clone back when WoW was still in beta.
From what you understand? So you haven't even played the game???
If your answer is yes, who really cares what you would say?
Edited to add: I found your subsequent post where you claim to have played for 10 hours... It was ok until I got to the part about participating in a 100+ person raid and it crashing the server, then I knew. You haven't played the game. Not really. I have been in every beta and not ONCE in the 100+ hours I've logged so far has the server crashed as a result of a rift of invasion. NOT EVEN ONCE. Hell, they had 500+ people in Silverwood for the very first invasion EVER and it didn't crash the server.
Nice try though.
I have little faith in a game producer that tells me all the fixes involve rolling my computer's drivers back because it shows me how much development effort they put in. Working on content is all well and good, same for storyline, but telling me I must make my computer into something lesser then it is to play their games is an immediate turn away issue for me. It shows me their true dedication to this project, because if they are not updating their drivers or fixing the issues on their server's end or coming out with a new client that that is keeping up with current drivers and hardware they have no intention of doing it later.
Now do not get me wrong here, I am not trashing this game, on the lowest settings w/o the driver roll back I did explore some of it and content was interesting game play was okay, but I would not pay a subscription for it because of the lack luster development and the need to downgrade my system to play it seriously.
I am a plug and play type of guy, If I plug it in and it doesn't play then its broke in my book.
You know you were playing beta right?
I run the latest ATI drivers, 11.1, for a HD 5770 and was not prompted to revert to a previous version. My wife runs a Nvidia 9600 GT card (I know, she needs an ugrade) and she was prompted to upgrade to the latest graphics driver. Not sure what you are referring to regarding graphics drivers, no probs here with either of our rigs with latest greatest driver set from Nvidia or ATI/AMD.
Did you post to the Rift technical forums or try to contact Trion support? They are quite attentive and responsive.
When I read this... "The key question to ask yourself when you play RIFT is this: Are you doing the same things you have done in other MMOs, or has Trion changed the way you see and interact with virtual worlds in an MMO?" My answer was Yes, now that Trion has changed the Racials the way they have, I am doing the same things I've done in other MMOs. And closer inspection does nothing to dispell this impression. That is to say: If I want to roll a Mage, then I absolutely will roll an Eth, and no other race. Because I want every advantage possible, no matter how small. See the previous racials may have had imbalances, but they were far more flexible. They didn't promote a narrow view of what roles a particular race might fill.
This is a clear example of Trion NOT choosing wisely when making a decision to change something. And if they will do it for this, then who knows what they will do next! My take is that this was done to appease a vocal minority on their forums. But if we are honest with ourselves we realize that Players are far too biased, capricous, and self centered, to make judgement calls of this type. And once Trion goes down this road it will be nothing but trouble. And IMO Rift will then be nothing but a WoWhammer clone.
Given how well WoW has done over the last 6 plus years, I'm always amused by those who think that comparing a game to WoW is an insult, or some type of negative. From what I've seen so far, Rift is what WoW would have been if it launched in 2011, rather than 2004. It also has aspects of Warhammer. But both of those are very well blended into its own package of entertainment. I'm quite looking forward to seeing how well Rift does in the current market. If they can pull in a sustained player base of 750K to a million plus, I suspect we will see much more from them. Depending on how things go, I'd not be surprised if they get higher numbers than that.
Heh, yeah... Snerk...
ATI driver issues, who'd a thunk it? That's never happened in the history of gaming, right?
If it was a Trion problem then why did ATI release a driver update to fix it?
LOL, you said clone...geesh.
Seriously why so much hate? Did any dev dumped you or what?
For once that a studio is launching a polished MMO and not having players paying beta they deserves better than this rant. If you make your decision about playing a game on a trailer I guess you should stay in AoC which has a nice one and maybe move to the even better TOR one. I'd be interested in knowing which game(s) have identical content and game play as Rift because honestly I don't know any.
I can't speak on either FF mmo's because i haven't played them, but from videos i have watched, i have seen several 'similarites' in game design to other mmo's of the fantasy genre. Eve is not a fantasy rpg, so it really doesn'y apply to anything i spoke of. i'm glad Eve is out there for those who like that genre, it looks like a great game, just nothing i would ever get into.
as far as the latter part of your post. if i decided to point out every grammar error i see in online threads, i would never get around to doing anything productive. but thanks i guess. i make that mistake a lot.
Definitely a cross between WoW and Warhammer but the thing is that Trion can actually polish a game better than both Blizzard and Mythic. I still think it is a good vacaton spot until TOR and GW2.
All in all Rift is a well put together game. I enjoyed my time in the Betas, just not enough to make me want to buy it though. As for is it a wowhammer? of course it is. They took the best parts of previous mmos and put them in thier game with minor tweeks, and they did this very very well. I dont agree with most of thearticles views. Rift invasions = mobile WAR PQs. This is true in all the zones not just the beginer zones. Soul system= choose your own talent trees. I used to think this was very new and inventive but after thinking about it for awhile determined that it is just a modified talent tree system. I admit it is a very good tweak and I do really like it. For the statement that you can level through PVP, Dungeons, Rifts, and questing, this is true, but you could do that in many mmos. The problem is questing is by far the fastest way to go so you are kind of forced to quest. You have to be at least lvl 10 to PVP, and unless you are in the headstart fighting in the instance pvp at lvl 10 is not a good idea. You are too easily killed and gimp the entire team. We will have the same problem in these instanced PVP that there was in WAR. ( The instanced pvp is exactly the same in WAR same objectives and everything just the maps have changed.) Good teams are going to wipe the PUGs of the other side, as they should, but many will stop queing leading to longer wait times. If they had team instanced and solo instance seperate that may help.
I still think it is a well put together game and I hope it does well. I doubt it will be a blockbuster but it will probably have a decent following. Only time will tell if it will hold its numbers.
i just wish they'd wowcloned the character control feel instead of taking them from warhammer but that's the engine at work i guess.
I think the main disconnect by the haters is that there seems to be a belief that there's still something left to invent when it comes to fantasy based MMOS. There's not. It's all been done. It's all going to be familiar or even repeated. All you get is new paint, and you either like the color or you don't.
This is a stupid thing to say. Just because you or somebody else cannot think of anything innovative or inventive into a game doesn't mean that there is absolutely nothing left that hasn't been done before. I guarantee you that if everybody on this planet tried to think of something entirely new or tried to think of a way to improve something then you would get something new.
Wowhammer or not, I'm digging this game.