I hardly give too much credit to this because i want to get a better environement in my playtime thanks. Now if you dont have anything else *constructive* (emphasis on constructive) to say well just keep it quiet.
I could say the same ^^, but carry on, if you want a better enviroment, enforcing it will not make better, maybe more empty, if playing alone means better enviroment, then I could recomend single players.
Enforcement of rules weeding out idiots may make things more empty, but it also makes things more enjoyable for people who do follow the rules.
Many players in MMOs are behaving poorly because they simply have no reason to treat others respectfully. Not only are there little to no consequences taken against them for serious behavior issues, but MMOs are beign designed more and more where players don't need to rely on other players, or the times they do have to there is a greater level of anonymity (Dungeon Finder system for example).
In many ways, the lack of community oriented game design is what's causing terrible player behavior in MMOs.
So? The real question is if such behavior (remember u can be mean too) reduce enjoyment too much.
For me, i don't care. I ignore all the loud mouth and i rage-quit if i don't think the dungeon group is behaving right. I also have a good guild to play with when i feel like it.
What can they do to reduce my enjoyment? Pretty much nothing.
While it is true that anonymite breeds evil, the opposite doesn't do better. Humans are way too viscious. I can only imagine how many people would suffer from attacks on their person if anonymity would vanish. Many would pay dearly with their health and meany lifes! While evil words and not funny, you know the saying: sticks and stones my hurt my bones but words can never harm me. May not be entirely true, but I prefer to be harmed verbally rather than having some bully before my doorstep who didn't like my last forum entry!
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Your forget why Anonymity is there in the 1st place.
There are a bunch of weird people in this world.
You don't want to expose yourself to 50 Zillion people in the world. Especially 60 Zillion people you don't know!
In Our RL we can pick and choose where we go, How we act, who we hang out with, what we are and are not comfortable with. WHop we let our guard down for and allow to know us better, who we let in, who we keep out.
The Anonymity isn't there to protect the trolls and arss hats. Sure they bennefit from it.
It is there to protect the noprmal people from some whacko online hunting them down in RL because they won in a video game. Or some whacko falling in love with you or god knows what else.
Anonymity is there to protect dissenting opinions from brutal censorship and is absolutely vital for the continued well-being of human society as a whole.
It is true that it is regularly abused for personal gain, but you can hardly blame guns for killing people when it's the wielders of those guns who are the murderers.
Again I think the Backlash from the Blizzard community over the implementation of the Real ID system on battlenet is a fairly clear sign that the majority of game players want their anonimity protected.
Sure some of the people against the Real ID system were asshats but the majority were just joe public who like to play games without exposing all their personal information online.
Blizzard backed down remarkably quickly and I dont think any company that wants to stay in business will attempt another such system any time soon.
Again I think the Backlash from the Blizzard community over the implementation of the Real ID system on battlenet is a fairly clear sign that the majority of game players want their anonimity protected.
Sure some of the people against the Real ID system were asshats but the majority were just joe public who like to play games without exposing all their personal information online.
Blizzard backed down remarkably quickly and I dont think any company that wants to stay in business will attempt another such system any time soon.
I think they backed down due to employee safety concerns more than unpopular backlash. I have no idea though.
I think a company should totally try it. That's the only way to see what happens for sure.
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The easiest way is to just have a number that is unique to each account and can be seen by anyone, in which you add notes to the end of this number only you can see (the notes). Very much like a gamer tag, so if you find X douche bag you can throw out a post in the forums and people can talk about him and black list if neccessary.
I see no problem with this approach as it doesn't violate anyones privacy and it allows the community to regulate its self, douche bags and trolls beware, we are watching you..
Again I think the Backlash from the Blizzard community over the implementation of the Real ID system on battlenet is a fairly clear sign that the majority of game players want their anonimity protected.
Sure some of the people against the Real ID system were asshats but the majority were just joe public who like to play games without exposing all their personal information online.
Blizzard backed down remarkably quickly and I dont think any company that wants to stay in business will attempt another such system any time soon.
I think they backed down due to employee safety concerns more than unpopular backlash. I have no idea though.
I think a company should totally try it. That's the only way to see what happens for sure.
I'm an internet tough guy, problem is, I'm also bigger than most of you in real life, train 6 days a week and carry a knife on me if I go out.
If some asshole is unlucky enough to piss me off on the wrong day and I find out he lives next to me, well I'll be doing some trolololololing in real life.
Even I know that would lead to some really horrible things happening from the 1% of players who aren't overweight or anorexic.
I'm an internet tough guy, problem is, I'm also bigger than most of you in real life, train 6 days a week and carry a knife on me if I go out.
If some asshole is unlucky enough to piss me off on the wrong day and I find out he lives next to me, well I'll be doing some trolololololing in real life.
Even I know that would lead to some really horrible things happening from the 1% of players who aren't overweight or anorexic.
Fufufufu.. Ahhahaha..
Yeah keep anon anon. They're still funny.
BTW wasn't there a thread where you talked about how nice it is to play games that let you be a woman?
Again I think the Backlash from the Blizzard community over the implementation of the Real ID system on battlenet is a fairly clear sign that the majority of game players want their anonimity protected.
Sure some of the people against the Real ID system were asshats but the majority were just joe public who like to play games without exposing all their personal information online.
Blizzard backed down remarkably quickly and I dont think any company that wants to stay in business will attempt another such system any time soon.
I think they backed down due to employee safety concerns more than unpopular backlash. I have no idea though.
I think a company should totally try it. That's the only way to see what happens for sure.
A company did try it. Blizzard.
No. Not really. Needs to happen at the start of the community really, not after 10's of 1000's of professional trolls have found eternity in your forums. But anyway..
And did Blizzard cancel the plans or just spread it so thin, over time and over a number of games, you never notice? Do you know? Hell, it could have just been a genious marketing ploy knowing Blizzard.
See you in the dream.. The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
I guess there's something meaningful to me about being able to enter an MMO community without fear that your deeds will have permanent consequences that extend well beyond gameplay. I want to be able to return to the void of Anonymous, create a new online identity, and start over in another MMO if I so choose...
I'm an internet tough guy, problem is, I'm also bigger than most of you in real life, train 6 days a week and carry a knife on me if I go out.
If some asshole is unlucky enough to piss me off on the wrong day and I find out he lives next to me, well I'll be doing some trolololololing in real life.
Even I know that would lead to some really horrible things happening from the 1% of players who aren't overweight or anorexic.
Fufufufu.. Ahhahaha..
Yeah keep anon anon. They're still funny.
BTW wasn't there a thread where you talked about how nice it is to play games that let you be a woman?
There was?
The only threads I ever make get locked lol (trolling).
I guess there's something meaningful to me about being able to enter an MMO community without fear that your deeds will have permanent consequences that extend well beyond gameplay. I want to be able to return to the void of Anonymous, create a new online identity, and start over in another MMO if I so choose...
Don't be scared.
It's also funny how everyone assumes once one company does it, and it doesnt hurt, they all will. Funny because it's true.
See you in the dream.. The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
I wonder if the same people here championing anonymity are the same ones complaining about "terrible" online communities even though they can /ignore, walk away, not respond or accept someone else's moments of immaturity. Just like many are telling the OP to do...
Facebook has managed to have real names and gaming for years now without a dramatic increase in the number of pervs, killers, stalkers, acts of revenge nor internet releated deaths. How did they do it?
School yearbooks are now available online that have your name and a photo of any of you that have every went to school. Somehow with this information readily available to anyone who's willing to pay for it, many of you have managed to escape all the harmful predators out there just looking to find you and expliot your humble, dreary lives.
Linking a real name to an account and using avatar names for in-game purposes are two different things. Seeing "Aldor" the warrior in-game and right-clicking to see he's played by Adam Green is no more dangerous than using Facebook or looking up someone's yearbook online.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
I wonder if the same people here championing anonymity are the same ones complaining about "terrible" online communities even though they can /ignore, walk away, not respond or accept someone else's moments of immaturity. Just like many are telling the OP to do...
Facebook has managed to have real names and gaming for years now without a dramatic increase in the number of pervs, killers, stalkers, acts of revenge nor internet releated deaths. How did they do it?
School yearbooks are now available online that have your name and a photo of any of you that have every went to school. Somehow with this information readily available to anyone who's willing to pay for it, many of you have managed to escape all the harmful predators out there just looking to find you and expliot your humble, dreary lives.
Linking a real name to an account and using avatar names for in-game purposes are two different things. Seeing "Aldor" the warrior in-game and right-clicking to see he's played by Adam Green is no more dangerous than using Facebook or looking up someone's yearbook online.
I think people just dont want to be judged in thier video games as well. It's a place to escape, to be someone different for a night. A place to leave real world worries behind. That's what they pay for.
The safety concern is used because it's the most effective, especially with children. I doubt people are really scared, they just have no faith or trust in game publishers and developers to uphold their end of the bargain.
They totally have valid concerns too. Normally, there's competition in the marketplace allowing customers to take their business elsewhere. But video games seem to work differently.
Just saying, it's easy to see both sides of the arguement.
This would be far worse for devs and publishers than gamers.
See you in the dream.. The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
I wonder if the same people here championing anonymity are the same ones complaining about "terrible" online communities even though they can /ignore, walk away, not respond or accept someone else's moments of immaturity. Just like many are telling the OP to do...
Facebook has managed to have real names and gaming for years now without a dramatic increase in the number of pervs, killers, stalkers, acts of revenge nor internet releated deaths. How did they do it?
School yearbooks are now available online that have your name and a photo of any of you that have every went to school. Somehow with this information readily available to anyone who's willing to pay for it, many of you have managed to escape all the harmful predators out there just looking to find you and expliot your humble, dreary lives.
Linking a real name to an account and using avatar names for in-game purposes are two different things. Seeing "Aldor" the warrior in-game and right-clicking to see he's played by Adam Green is no more dangerous than using Facebook or looking up someone's yearbook online.
Simple reason:
I have a Facebook, with 300 friends I know. You get made fun of for having Facebook with 300 friends here. Gamers, at least the majority, are the complete opposite of social standards.
Who do you think would be scared off by having to use their real name? 14 year old brats wouldn't. Mature adults with a good job who would rather their employers not know that they play online games in their free time might, though. Think that would lead to a better community?
You know what? Those 14 year old brats might be annoying as fuck to play with, but so are some of the 20-somethings, and 30-somethings, etc. AND....frankly.....even though I might loathe that 14 year old brat, I STILL want to protect him (or her) from potential child molesters, kidnappers, and other people that might want to seriously HARM them.
Anyone who thinks throwing anonymity out the window is a GOOD idea.....has no idea how many really terrible people there are in the world that use the internet to fast serve themselves victims.
No thank you. Dumbest idea regarding gaming or the internet EVER.
Who do you think would be scared off by having to use their real name? 14 year old brats wouldn't. Mature adults with a good job who would rather their employers not know that they play online games in their free time might, though. Think that would lead to a better community?
You know what? Those 14 year old brats might be annoying as fuck to play with, but so are some of the 20-somethings, and 30-somethings, etc. AND....frankly.....even though I might loathe that 14 year old brat, I STILL want to protect him (or her) from potential child molesters, kidnappers, and other people that might want to seriously HARM them.
Anyone who thinks throwing anonymity out the window is a GOOD idea.....has no idea how many really terrible people there are in the world that use the internet to fast serve themselves victims.
No thank you. Dumbest idea regarding gaming or the internet EVER.
Not that I agree with your arguement, but It is fairly retarded when removing anonymity is used as a solution to a problem.
If a game has a bad community, it's probably because it was designed for single player and small/medium coop PVE, not for community. The games that are community oriented are usually known for the best communities.
Developers cant create "solutions" to design flaws, they can only eliminate gameplay and options.
So i think people should be asking devs for the tools to solve this ourselves, or create a new game where anonymity doesnt matter.
See you in the dream.. The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
Everyone that is in favor of removing anonymity should change their avatar to a picture of themselves, their forum names to their real names and put their personal information in their signatures.
Then we can see how well removing anonymity actually works.
Everyone that is in favor of removing anonymity should change their avatar to a picture of themselves, their forum names to their real names and put their personal information in their signatures.
Then we can see how well removing anonymity actually works.
This is an absolutely fantastic idea, sir. I think that the mods should support this and change the forum handles of all parties who have expressed favor for this idea.
Of course, we'll also need a higher quality photo of them in their profile along with the rest of their personal information.
Everyone that is in favor of removing anonymity should change their avatar to a picture of themselves, their forum names to their real names and put their personal information in their signatures.
Then we can see how well removing anonymity actually works.
Works at what? How would we tell if it was?
See you in the dream.. The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
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So? The real question is if such behavior (remember u can be mean too) reduce enjoyment too much.
For me, i don't care. I ignore all the loud mouth and i rage-quit if i don't think the dungeon group is behaving right. I also have a good guild to play with when i feel like it.
What can they do to reduce my enjoyment? Pretty much nothing.
The very idea to take away anonymity is horrible.
While it is true that anonymite breeds evil, the opposite doesn't do better. Humans are way too viscious. I can only imagine how many people would suffer from attacks on their person if anonymity would vanish. Many would pay dearly with their health and meany lifes! While evil words and not funny, you know the saying: sticks and stones my hurt my bones but words can never harm me. May not be entirely true, but I prefer to be harmed verbally rather than having some bully before my doorstep who didn't like my last forum entry!
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Your forget why Anonymity is there in the 1st place.
There are a bunch of weird people in this world.
You don't want to expose yourself to 50 Zillion people in the world. Especially 60 Zillion people you don't know!
In Our RL we can pick and choose where we go, How we act, who we hang out with, what we are and are not comfortable with. WHop we let our guard down for and allow to know us better, who we let in, who we keep out.
The Anonymity isn't there to protect the trolls and arss hats. Sure they bennefit from it.
It is there to protect the noprmal people from some whacko online hunting them down in RL because they won in a video game. Or some whacko falling in love with you or god knows what else.
Anonymity is there to protect dissenting opinions from brutal censorship and is absolutely vital for the continued well-being of human society as a whole.
It is true that it is regularly abused for personal gain, but you can hardly blame guns for killing people when it's the wielders of those guns who are the murderers.
If they take anonymity away, MMO consumers would become more powerful than they could ever imagine. Works both ways:)
It does.
See you in the dream..
The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
Again I think the Backlash from the Blizzard community over the implementation of the Real ID system on battlenet is a fairly clear sign that the majority of game players want their anonimity protected.
Sure some of the people against the Real ID system were asshats but the majority were just joe public who like to play games without exposing all their personal information online.
Blizzard backed down remarkably quickly and I dont think any company that wants to stay in business will attempt another such system any time soon.
I think they backed down due to employee safety concerns more than unpopular backlash. I have no idea though.
I think a company should totally try it. That's the only way to see what happens for sure.
See you in the dream..
The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
The easiest way is to just have a number that is unique to each account and can be seen by anyone, in which you add notes to the end of this number only you can see (the notes). Very much like a gamer tag, so if you find X douche bag you can throw out a post in the forums and people can talk about him and black list if neccessary.
I see no problem with this approach as it doesn't violate anyones privacy and it allows the community to regulate its self, douche bags and trolls beware, we are watching you..
Someone is way too sensitive.
The King declares this thread funny.
A company did try it. Blizzard.
Gonna agree that this is a terrible idea.
I'm an internet tough guy, problem is, I'm also bigger than most of you in real life, train 6 days a week and carry a knife on me if I go out.
If some asshole is unlucky enough to piss me off on the wrong day and I find out he lives next to me, well I'll be doing some trolololololing in real life.
Even I know that would lead to some really horrible things happening from the 1% of players who aren't overweight or anorexic.
Fufufufu.. Ahhahaha..
Yeah keep anon anon. They're still funny.
BTW wasn't there a thread where you talked about how nice it is to play games that let you be a woman?
No. Not really. Needs to happen at the start of the community really, not after 10's of 1000's of professional trolls have found eternity in your forums. But anyway..
And did Blizzard cancel the plans or just spread it so thin, over time and over a number of games, you never notice? Do you know? Hell, it could have just been a genious marketing ploy knowing Blizzard.
See you in the dream..
The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
I guess there's something meaningful to me about being able to enter an MMO community without fear that your deeds will have permanent consequences that extend well beyond gameplay. I want to be able to return to the void of Anonymous, create a new online identity, and start over in another MMO if I so choose...
There was?
The only threads I ever make get locked lol (trolling).
Don't be scared.
It's also funny how everyone assumes once one company does it, and it doesnt hurt, they all will. Funny because it's true.
See you in the dream..
The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
I wonder if the same people here championing anonymity are the same ones complaining about "terrible" online communities even though they can /ignore, walk away, not respond or accept someone else's moments of immaturity. Just like many are telling the OP to do...
Facebook has managed to have real names and gaming for years now without a dramatic increase in the number of pervs, killers, stalkers, acts of revenge nor internet releated deaths. How did they do it?
School yearbooks are now available online that have your name and a photo of any of you that have every went to school. Somehow with this information readily available to anyone who's willing to pay for it, many of you have managed to escape all the harmful predators out there just looking to find you and expliot your humble, dreary lives.
Linking a real name to an account and using avatar names for in-game purposes are two different things. Seeing "Aldor" the warrior in-game and right-clicking to see he's played by Adam Green is no more dangerous than using Facebook or looking up someone's yearbook online.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
I think people just dont want to be judged in thier video games as well. It's a place to escape, to be someone different for a night. A place to leave real world worries behind. That's what they pay for.
The safety concern is used because it's the most effective, especially with children. I doubt people are really scared, they just have no faith or trust in game publishers and developers to uphold their end of the bargain.
They totally have valid concerns too. Normally, there's competition in the marketplace allowing customers to take their business elsewhere. But video games seem to work differently.
Just saying, it's easy to see both sides of the arguement.
This would be far worse for devs and publishers than gamers.
See you in the dream..
The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
Simple reason:
I have a Facebook, with 300 friends I know. You get made fun of for having Facebook with 300 friends here. Gamers, at least the majority, are the complete opposite of social standards.
You know what? Those 14 year old brats might be annoying as fuck to play with, but so are some of the 20-somethings, and 30-somethings, etc. AND....frankly.....even though I might loathe that 14 year old brat, I STILL want to protect him (or her) from potential child molesters, kidnappers, and other people that might want to seriously HARM them.
Anyone who thinks throwing anonymity out the window is a GOOD idea.....has no idea how many really terrible people there are in the world that use the internet to fast serve themselves victims.
No thank you. Dumbest idea regarding gaming or the internet EVER.
President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club
Not that I agree with your arguement, but It is fairly retarded when removing anonymity is used as a solution to a problem.
If a game has a bad community, it's probably because it was designed for single player and small/medium coop PVE, not for community. The games that are community oriented are usually known for the best communities.
Developers cant create "solutions" to design flaws, they can only eliminate gameplay and options.
So i think people should be asking devs for the tools to solve this ourselves, or create a new game where anonymity doesnt matter.
See you in the dream..
The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
I have a great idea for this thread.
Everyone that is in favor of removing anonymity should change their avatar to a picture of themselves, their forum names to their real names and put their personal information in their signatures.
Then we can see how well removing anonymity actually works.
This is an absolutely fantastic idea, sir. I think that the mods should support this and change the forum handles of all parties who have expressed favor for this idea.
Of course, we'll also need a higher quality photo of them in their profile along with the rest of their personal information.
Works at what? How would we tell if it was?
See you in the dream..
The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
In Game Douchebags > Real Life Stalkers