The video game industry is about making money just like everyone else. I say more power to Blizzard for having a way to support their game without the need of subscriptions.
But the video game industry use to make money by producing content that gamers thought was worth buying. Now with gamer support digital e-bays they can just sit on their hands and make money hand over first. I can see what that is such a great deal for consumers everywhere!
What will stop Blizzard from creating items and putting them for sale for real monies that are greater then the ones you find? This game introduces so many dishonest ways of cheating people.I dont understand how real gamers codone such actions.
Well, nothing is stopping Blizzard from doing that other then they said they wouldn't. Which should be more then good enough for anyone. But realistically they have every right to do that. It's their time and money, if they want to sell items like that then it's up to them. We dont have to buy them, lol. Also, what makes you think we have the right as real gamers to codone any actions Blizzard makes? If we don't like what they are doing then we don't buy the game. However, 90% of the people on this website will get D3 and play it and enjoy it. It is rediculous to assume as players we have the right to tell a company how to make their games. We can tell them what we want and don't want and what we like and don't like. But we have no right to tell them we don't condone their actions. Blizzard isn't some evil company out to take over the world and destroy everything. lol
The video game industry is about making money just like everyone else. I say more power to Blizzard for having a way to support their game without the need of subscriptions.
But the video game industry use to make money by producing content that gamers thought was worth buying. Now with gamer support digital e-bays they can just sit on their hands and make money hand over first. I can see what that is such a great deal for consumers everywhere!
Do you have any idea how much it costs to support online servers, millions of people connecting to them, and all the other requirements to run things like battle.net? They just don't put out enough expantions to cover that. D2 has been costing Blizzard money over the years. It is fair to allow D3 to actually make them money. Also, the more money they make the more content they can put out for the game.
It's so annoying to see the endless spam of useless posts and ignorant comments.
I read comment after comment about "Blizzard trying to grab more money!"
You have full access and are 100% capable of using in game currency to buy in game items... The CASH shop is 100% optional. If you want to spend real money on fake items, or earn real money for fake items blizzard is giving you a very safe and easy way to do it.
GROW UP BOYS AND GIRLS...
Ebay is 1000x worse. They charge you for the listing, they charge you a % on the final sale. And from everything we've been told so far, Ebay is WAY more expencive.
Well i for one will not be buying anything from the ah with real money, even if i can just for the fact that i dont even buy anything in f2p games, i use in-game items i win in-game or buy on ah but with game money. The only thing i see that will benefit me is the fact that i will get to play the game for fun and make money off the shoulders of people that dont know how to spend there hard earn cash. ( So basically i win on all side ) Ty blizz, as per i dont care if i am the best at a game, i just care if i have fun and know i spent my cash at something that benefits me
I seriously busted out laughing at this. Your a fool if you actually believe your "Friends" made a living out of it. Christ, kids these days are such fools.
No.it has nothing to do with personal evil. It's about greed. Banks don't hate you when they load you up with fees . Wall Street doesn't hate you when they outsource your job to India,slash your benefits,call in your mortgage,and leave you standing out in the street with your family,homeless,jobless,and hungry. Petroleum companies don't hate you when they charge so much for gas you can't drive to a job interview. Insurance companies have nothing personal against you when they take away your coverage and tell you to go off in a corner and die quietly. Nothing personal. Just business as usual. They don't need a mansion. They need five. They need your money to go from being rich to being uber rich. The middle class was a prime hunting ground when they were still around . They are gone now. That leaves slim pick'ns ,like gamers to squeeze. It tales a lot of thinking and bribes to politicians to get the things you want. To drain people,including gamers if possible,shake them down,turn them upside down till the last nickle falls out. Not hate. Just greed. Nothing personal. They don't even want to know who you are or see your face. Or you see their's. That would be too much like personal hate.
I may know the least here,but I am the loudest about what I do know.
You have full access and are 100% capable of using in game currency to buy in game items... The CASH shop is 100% optional. If you want to spend real money on fake items, or earn real money for fake items blizzard is giving you a very safe and easy way to do it.
Unless you play exclusively single player, no, you don't.
In EVERY SINGLE GAME in which gold farming and gold selling/buying has become widespread, the in-game market has had incredible inflation. In multiple games this has ended up in regular players being locked out of the economy as the natural means of earning gold becomes obsolete.
Since D3 is going to allow gold farming, gold selling and gold buying there is no logical reason to think this won't happen in D3.
The 1000 gold you earn legitimately is not going to buy you anything if most people around you are paying 10 000 gold for the same item.
I hate Auction Halls in MMOs. I equally hate the idea of players being able to buy gear that puts them ahead in a directly competitive game (i.e., for spawns, crafting materials, land space, etc.)
The above said, I think this will work for Diablo 3. Additionally, I plan to purchase Diablo 3. Why? It's not an MMO and I'm not DIRECTLY competing with other players for content. I can play the solo version to my hearts content and if I so happen to get a really kickass drop that I know will sell I can make some moeny. Cool.
I'd never support this idea in a MMO game however it suits me fine in a single player RPG that has online access.
As for the having to be connected to play the solo campaign, I think the concerns expressed are a little hypocritical. If memory serves me this site has no issue pushing/supporting STEAM, which has the same requirement. Sure, you can "rig" STEAM so that it only requires the authorization of a game once online but it's not like STEAM made this option very intuitive to use.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
TO me this Realmoney AH just tells me blizzard doesnt care about Gold farmers maing money off of their products, shame, that we are naive, to believe this wont affect any other game in the future.
TO me this Realmoney AH just tells me blizzard doesnt care about Gold farmers maing money off of their products, shame, that we are naive, to believe this wont affect any other game in the future.
It's not a matter of being naive. It's realiziing these companies are going to do what they damn well please as far as item malls regardless. Nothing you or I aor anyone on this site can do about it. Gamerdom isn't organized enough to "form a union" and pressure them not to. So, it's going to happen.
There have only been two real times that grassroots pressure's effects were shown. The first is with SWG and the NGE. If they had of instead tried to fix the games issues instead of changing it drastically, SOE would probably be in a position to renew their contract with LA as the game would have more subscribers than it has now. Not saying it would be competing with WoW for subs, but it would be more profitable.
The other is with Blizzard and the RealID system they wanted to try. gamers spoke loud and clear (because it affected them all in a real way...ta da!, now everyone knows your real name, have some of that pie). This cash shop idea doesn't affect the same number of gamers in the same way as the RealID thing did. I doubt there will be any significate pressure then to not do it.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
People's heads are exploding left and right because Blizzard is going to make even *gasp* more money. People on this site just can't stand it. Blizzard wins again. They are going to sell 3 million copies of Diablo 3 and going to make 3 times that amount off the totally legal RMT.
And what's wrong with that? People have a right to spend their money any way they want to. Obviously a lot of these people without heads on their necks (from having already exploded at this news) aren't going to buy it, but that'll barely touch their pocketbooks.
The even funnier thing is that they are doing a service for the players of Diablo 3 by kicking the illegal RMT people in the nuts. Dollars/work hour are going to be horrendous for them if they feel they can put the hours into this at all. They are going to literally destroy illegal RMT as we know it. And the best part is, they are going to make even more money doing it - thus making it more likely that they will produce a higher quantity of higher quality products.
And if you think this benefits the typical illegal RMT sellers, then, quite simply, you are stupid. Understanding supply and demand is an important part of 10th grade.
TO me this Realmoney AH just tells me blizzard doesnt care about Gold farmers maing money off of their products, shame, that we are naive, to believe this wont affect any other game in the future.
It's not a matter of being naive. It's realiziing these companies are going to do what they damn well please as far as item malls regardless. Nothing you or I aor anyone on this site can do about it. Gamerdom isn't organized enough to "form a union" and pressure them not to. So, it's going to happen.
There have only been two real times that grassroots pressure's effects were shown. The first is with SWG and the NGE. If they had of instead tried to fix the games issues instead of changing it drastically, SOE would probably be in a position to renew their contract with LA as the game would have more subscribers than it has now. Not saying it would be competing with WoW for subs, but it would be more profitable.
The other is with Blizzard and the RealID system they wanted to try. gamers spoke loud and clear (because it affected them all in a real way...ta da!, now everyone knows your real name, have some of that pie). This cash shop idea doesn't affect the same number of gamers in the same way as the RealID thing did. I doubt there will be any significate pressure then to not do it.
of course, we as gamers should let our money speak louder than words, but to many of us it wont. This will just turn into a big mess if it keeps going , but many of us wont see it as a mess, 'since it works". Shame, you would think they would care about giving a great product without competing with real money. Seriously, i wish we as gamers, let Activision know how we feel, by not buying any of their games for the next 2 years so they can see, they cant milk us dry.
TO me this Realmoney AH just tells me blizzard doesnt care about Gold farmers maing money off of their products, shame, that we are naive, to believe this wont affect any other game in the future.
These aren't gold farmers. They are loot farmers in a single player RPG with some competitive traits such as a ladder and a "rush". What is Blizzard's other course of action? Just not allow it? Then the 3rd party sites get all the money and people who purchase get shafted now and again. It isn't not going to happen, might as well attempt to regulate it.
Shows me your naive at how Diablo works. It doesn't affect me. I play with a few friends and play to this day, I'm in two tournaments in the single player forum of incgamers site. If you look at my avatar I bet you can find me as its the same...
Originally posted by Kelthius
Originally posted by fundayz
Originally posted by Chackz
QQ kid. You can use the gold aution house noob!
Don't be naive, the prices on the Gold AH are going to be so inflated due to rampant gold selling that the average user is not going to be able to use it on a consistent basis, if at all.
This. It doesn't matter that you can get it on the gold auction house. The person who spends RL money will advance faster than anyone who doesn't. D3 is officially P2W.
And Diablo II was never P2W? Why did hacked items sell all the time? Diablo is what you make of it. You do your own thing. You don't require anyone but yourself and your own playstyle. Guess what you can do absurd things with absurd builds in Diablo II and I think it'll transition to Diablo III.
As others have stated there is a difference between someone playing Diablo for a year and the people who've spend 4+ years playing/modding Diablo 1 and then doing the same but for the last 10 playing/modding Diablo II. (For example I've played every year for 3-6months once I've started to play MMO's and thats just exclusive D2/D1 only, I normally have a character going all the time) The only ones who actually get shafted are the modders over at the Phrozen Keep who have put out some nice damn mods. If its going to be online, and I don't need the item as I play usually in tournament style mods which only allow certain items I'll sell my stuff after I'm done with my toon. Awesome I get to profit without using eBay(not that its an option anymore, but it was back in the day). Some of us have been looking forward to Diablo III with an negative outlook but all the variants with choices leads me to believe it'll have 10x as many options as Diablo II offers. I've been looking forward to this now and this just is a slam dunk as over time this game will cost me nadda and I'll make a few.
As for whether the "free" listing is just a set number or whatnot does it matter really? If its such a low cost, you should be smart enough to use the initial free ones to gain money to list more stuff.
Do you have any idea how much it costs to support online servers, millions of people connecting to them, and all the other requirements to run things like battle.net? They just don't put out enough expantions to cover that. D2 has been costing Blizzard money over the years. It is fair to allow D3 to actually make them money. Also, the more money they make the more content they can put out for the game.
Do not play that song and dance for me, I work in the IT industry I know servers and bandwidth are nowhere near as expensive as you are making them out to be. Plus as a business owner I know that you can write that expense off at the end of the year on your taxes as a business expense. So go play your small violin for someone without any knowledge of what you are talking about, maybe they will listen to you.
As for the more money they make the more content they will put out, you only wish it worked that way. Blizzard makes one thousands times more off of WoW than any other MMO company, does that mean WoW has one thousands times more content updates. If you actually believe that you are fool, the more profits they make as a publicly traded company the more money is sent out as dividends to shareholders and bonuses to board of directors. Yes that means they have more money for development then an indie developer, but if you really think they put all that money back into development then you really have no clue how business works.
Originally posted by colddog04
And what's wrong with that? People have a right to spend their money any way they want to. Obviously a lot of these people without heads on their necks (from having already exploded at this news) aren't going to buy it, but that'll barely touch their pocketbooks.
And if you think this benefits the typical illegal RMT sellers, then, quite simply, you are stupid. Understanding supply and demand is an important part of 10th grade.
Oh yes, because it is not like their decisions could ever affect my game. Well what if Blizzard makes tons of money off of their digital e-bay and it becomes a standard for all games to come with one. Now did their spending habits affect my game play at that point? But you are so right people can spend their money how they want, who cares how it could affect the gaming industry.
Yeah like supply and demand are going to affect the items drop rate. Let’s see who has more of a chance of getting an item that has a one in a million chance of dropping, a regular player of Diablo 3 that has to spend time working and with their family, or a person that is paid to farm items 16 hours a day. Well let’s see how the odds work out famer has 16 hours to get that lucky drop, regular gamer maybe has 6 hours on a good day to get that item. I am no math wizard but I think that farmer has better odds here, then average Joe gamer. So how does that affect your supply and demand when the farmers are getting the really rare items and are controlling how many go up on the digital e-bay at one time? I will give you a clue in case you missed that 10th grade class, it is in one persons favor and it is not in ours! So who does that scenario work out better for there?
Now are people stupid because they just do not see your ideal situation for how item selling would work. Because the example I just gave is only one case I can think of where it does not work out in the gamer’s advantage. But you are so right only stupid people cannot see your point of view; it is great being a hypocrite isn’t it? It is so fun everyone should be one.
I quit Lineage 2 for the very same reason. Farmers simply camped and owned places where best items (and most expensive) dropped so they could sell them on Ebay.
What will prevent farmers now to camp places like that to collect all the best items and sell them regulary (this time) on market. And believe me, there is no guild that can fight off these farmers as I'm talking about 100+ organised people who work for their *BOSS* in some shady place.
People will buy the game. Firstly because it Blizzard and secondly because its probably good.
But once realising they cant get items they want simply because of farmers, unless they say hello to the little thing called Mastercard or Visa. Rage quit is inevitable.
Blizzard, wake up! You are going the wrong way! Billions aren't good enough for you? You want trillions?
Ah doh this is not linage II, no persistent world, you start your own instance, rather hard to camp that. Maybe you should understand how the game works before ranting about something that will never occur.
If someone would do this in an MMO, the developers would have to insure areas would not be camped.
And what's wrong with that? People have a right to spend their money any way they want to. Obviously a lot of these people without heads on their necks (from having already exploded at this news) aren't going to buy it, but that'll barely touch their pocketbooks.
And if you think this benefits the typical illegal RMT sellers, then, quite simply, you are stupid. Understanding supply and demand is an important part of 10th grade.
Oh yes, because it is not like their decisions could ever affect my game. Well what if Blizzard makes tons of money off of their digital e-bay and it becomes a standard for all games to come with one. Now did their spending habits affect my game play at that point? But you are so right people can spend their money how they want, who cares how it could affect the gaming industry.
Yeah like supply and demand are going to affect the items drop rate. Let’s see who has more of a chance of getting an item that has a one in a million chance of dropping, a regular player of Diablo 3 that has to spend time working and with their family, or a person that is paid to farm items 16 hours a day. Well let’s see how the odds work out famer has 16 hours to get that lucky drop, regular gamer maybe has 6 hours on a good day to get that item. I am no math wizard but I think that farmer has better odds here, then average Joe gamer. So how does that affect your supply and demand when the farmers are getting the really rare items and are controlling how many go up on the digital e-bay at one time? I will give you a clue in case you missed that 10th grade class, it is in one persons favor and it is not in ours! So who does that scenario work out better for there?
Now are people stupid because they just do not see your ideal situation for how item selling would work. Because the example I just gave is only one case I can think of where it does not work out in the gamer’s advantage. But you are so right only stupid people cannot see your point of view; it is great being a hypocrite isn’t it? It is so fun everyone should be one.
People are stupid because they fail to understand that there is more than one RMT on the planet. Which pretty much discounts everything you say here.
I don't know why some people don't get it, but you are one of them.
Leave this forum immediately and never come back...never speak of Diablo 3 or it's predecessors again because you clearly have done zero investigation or playing of the series and are just hopping on the band wagon for blizzard hating that's going around.
First: You can't camp mobs. They don't respawn like an MMO. Why? Because this is not an MMO so do a little more research before you go bashing things you're uninformed about. You kill that boss, now you either have to join another's game or reload one for yourself, camping is impossible.
Second: If you've ever played a diablo game they max out at 8 players per match, so you won't have guilds of 100's camping mobs so you won't ever proceed and stealing all the good loot. It's called a private match in diablo..it's called password protected...guess what, you can play till your hearts content and camp your own mobs?!!
Third: All drops in Diablo 3 are essentially "eye of the beholder". Only YOU see the loot that drops for you, thus removing any possibility of someone snatching you're goods up or "ninja looting" for you since you never played D2.
Fourth: I have played D2 on and off for the last decade and the RMT has been in there in full swing for quite a while. Though right now it's just constant item spam in any room you go into because blizzard has zero control of it. Also making it difficult to play because the spam literally covers 3/4 of your viewing area and is really annoying. No you cannot password it if you're just hoping to get a match with some other avid players. The fact that blizzard is willing to try and battle this problem head on and give us an ability to make a little cash just doing something we love is a gift. They take a flat fee, big deal, they're doing all the transaction handling etc and the back end. You're just setting it up. Consider it a broker's fee, or a banker's fee like cashing a check at a different bank...even an ATM charge.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T PLAY AND TAKE YOUR WHINE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
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But the video game industry use to make money by producing content that gamers thought was worth buying. Now with gamer support digital e-bays they can just sit on their hands and make money hand over first. I can see what that is such a great deal for consumers everywhere!
Well, nothing is stopping Blizzard from doing that other then they said they wouldn't. Which should be more then good enough for anyone. But realistically they have every right to do that. It's their time and money, if they want to sell items like that then it's up to them. We dont have to buy them, lol. Also, what makes you think we have the right as real gamers to codone any actions Blizzard makes? If we don't like what they are doing then we don't buy the game. However, 90% of the people on this website will get D3 and play it and enjoy it. It is rediculous to assume as players we have the right to tell a company how to make their games. We can tell them what we want and don't want and what we like and don't like. But we have no right to tell them we don't condone their actions. Blizzard isn't some evil company out to take over the world and destroy everything. lol
- Sigreth
Do you have any idea how much it costs to support online servers, millions of people connecting to them, and all the other requirements to run things like battle.net? They just don't put out enough expantions to cover that. D2 has been costing Blizzard money over the years. It is fair to allow D3 to actually make them money. Also, the more money they make the more content they can put out for the game.
- Sigreth
It's so annoying to see the endless spam of useless posts and ignorant comments.
I read comment after comment about "Blizzard trying to grab more money!"
You have full access and are 100% capable of using in game currency to buy in game items... The CASH shop is 100% optional. If you want to spend real money on fake items, or earn real money for fake items blizzard is giving you a very safe and easy way to do it.
GROW UP BOYS AND GIRLS...
Ebay is 1000x worse. They charge you for the listing, they charge you a % on the final sale. And from everything we've been told so far, Ebay is WAY more expencive.
Go bitch about Ebay
Well i for one will not be buying anything from the ah with real money, even if i can just for the fact that i dont even buy anything in f2p games, i use in-game items i win in-game or buy on ah but with game money. The only thing i see that will benefit me is the fact that i will get to play the game for fun and make money off the shoulders of people that dont know how to spend there hard earn cash. ( So basically i win on all side ) Ty blizz, as per i dont care if i am the best at a game, i just care if i have fun and know i spent my cash at something that benefits me
I seriously busted out laughing at this. Your a fool if you actually believe your "Friends" made a living out of it. Christ, kids these days are such fools.
No.it has nothing to do with personal evil. It's about greed. Banks don't hate you when they load you up with fees . Wall Street doesn't hate you when they outsource your job to India,slash your benefits,call in your mortgage,and leave you standing out in the street with your family,homeless,jobless,and hungry. Petroleum companies don't hate you when they charge so much for gas you can't drive to a job interview. Insurance companies have nothing personal against you when they take away your coverage and tell you to go off in a corner and die quietly. Nothing personal. Just business as usual. They don't need a mansion. They need five. They need your money to go from being rich to being uber rich. The middle class was a prime hunting ground when they were still around . They are gone now. That leaves slim pick'ns ,like gamers to squeeze. It tales a lot of thinking and bribes to politicians to get the things you want. To drain people,including gamers if possible,shake them down,turn them upside down till the last nickle falls out. Not hate. Just greed. Nothing personal. They don't even want to know who you are or see your face. Or you see their's. That would be too much like personal hate.
I may know the least here,but I am the loudest about what I do know.
Unless you play exclusively single player, no, you don't.
In EVERY SINGLE GAME in which gold farming and gold selling/buying has become widespread, the in-game market has had incredible inflation. In multiple games this has ended up in regular players being locked out of the economy as the natural means of earning gold becomes obsolete.
Since D3 is going to allow gold farming, gold selling and gold buying there is no logical reason to think this won't happen in D3.
The 1000 gold you earn legitimately is not going to buy you anything if most people around you are paying 10 000 gold for the same item.
I hate Auction Halls in MMOs. I equally hate the idea of players being able to buy gear that puts them ahead in a directly competitive game (i.e., for spawns, crafting materials, land space, etc.)
The above said, I think this will work for Diablo 3. Additionally, I plan to purchase Diablo 3. Why? It's not an MMO and I'm not DIRECTLY competing with other players for content. I can play the solo version to my hearts content and if I so happen to get a really kickass drop that I know will sell I can make some moeny. Cool.
I'd never support this idea in a MMO game however it suits me fine in a single player RPG that has online access.
As for the having to be connected to play the solo campaign, I think the concerns expressed are a little hypocritical. If memory serves me this site has no issue pushing/supporting STEAM, which has the same requirement. Sure, you can "rig" STEAM so that it only requires the authorization of a game once online but it's not like STEAM made this option very intuitive to use.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
TO me this Realmoney AH just tells me blizzard doesnt care about Gold farmers maing money off of their products, shame, that we are naive, to believe this wont affect any other game in the future.
It's not a matter of being naive. It's realiziing these companies are going to do what they damn well please as far as item malls regardless. Nothing you or I aor anyone on this site can do about it. Gamerdom isn't organized enough to "form a union" and pressure them not to. So, it's going to happen.
There have only been two real times that grassroots pressure's effects were shown. The first is with SWG and the NGE. If they had of instead tried to fix the games issues instead of changing it drastically, SOE would probably be in a position to renew their contract with LA as the game would have more subscribers than it has now. Not saying it would be competing with WoW for subs, but it would be more profitable.
The other is with Blizzard and the RealID system they wanted to try. gamers spoke loud and clear (because it affected them all in a real way...ta da!, now everyone knows your real name, have some of that pie). This cash shop idea doesn't affect the same number of gamers in the same way as the RealID thing did. I doubt there will be any significate pressure then to not do it.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
This thread is one big LOL.
People's heads are exploding left and right because Blizzard is going to make even *gasp* more money. People on this site just can't stand it. Blizzard wins again. They are going to sell 3 million copies of Diablo 3 and going to make 3 times that amount off the totally legal RMT.
And what's wrong with that? People have a right to spend their money any way they want to. Obviously a lot of these people without heads on their necks (from having already exploded at this news) aren't going to buy it, but that'll barely touch their pocketbooks.
The even funnier thing is that they are doing a service for the players of Diablo 3 by kicking the illegal RMT people in the nuts. Dollars/work hour are going to be horrendous for them if they feel they can put the hours into this at all. They are going to literally destroy illegal RMT as we know it. And the best part is, they are going to make even more money doing it - thus making it more likely that they will produce a higher quantity of higher quality products.
And if you think this benefits the typical illegal RMT sellers, then, quite simply, you are stupid. Understanding supply and demand is an important part of 10th grade.
of course, we as gamers should let our money speak louder than words, but to many of us it wont. This will just turn into a big mess if it keeps going , but many of us wont see it as a mess, 'since it works". Shame, you would think they would care about giving a great product without competing with real money. Seriously, i wish we as gamers, let Activision know how we feel, by not buying any of their games for the next 2 years so they can see, they cant milk us dry.
These aren't gold farmers. They are loot farmers in a single player RPG with some competitive traits such as a ladder and a "rush". What is Blizzard's other course of action? Just not allow it? Then the 3rd party sites get all the money and people who purchase get shafted now and again. It isn't not going to happen, might as well attempt to regulate it.
Shows me your naive at how Diablo works. It doesn't affect me. I play with a few friends and play to this day, I'm in two tournaments in the single player forum of incgamers site. If you look at my avatar I bet you can find me as its the same...
Originally posted by Kelthius
This. It doesn't matter that you can get it on the gold auction house. The person who spends RL money will advance faster than anyone who doesn't. D3 is officially P2W.
And Diablo II was never P2W? Why did hacked items sell all the time? Diablo is what you make of it. You do your own thing. You don't require anyone but yourself and your own playstyle. Guess what you can do absurd things with absurd builds in Diablo II and I think it'll transition to Diablo III.
As others have stated there is a difference between someone playing Diablo for a year and the people who've spend 4+ years playing/modding Diablo 1 and then doing the same but for the last 10 playing/modding Diablo II. (For example I've played every year for 3-6months once I've started to play MMO's and thats just exclusive D2/D1 only, I normally have a character going all the time) The only ones who actually get shafted are the modders over at the Phrozen Keep who have put out some nice damn mods. If its going to be online, and I don't need the item as I play usually in tournament style mods which only allow certain items I'll sell my stuff after I'm done with my toon. Awesome I get to profit without using eBay(not that its an option anymore, but it was back in the day). Some of us have been looking forward to Diablo III with an negative outlook but all the variants with choices leads me to believe it'll have 10x as many options as Diablo II offers. I've been looking forward to this now and this just is a slam dunk as over time this game will cost me nadda and I'll make a few.
As for whether the "free" listing is just a set number or whatnot does it matter really? If its such a low cost, you should be smart enough to use the initial free ones to gain money to list more stuff.
When did you start playing "old school" MMO's. World Of Warcraft?
Do not play that song and dance for me, I work in the IT industry I know servers and bandwidth are nowhere near as expensive as you are making them out to be. Plus as a business owner I know that you can write that expense off at the end of the year on your taxes as a business expense. So go play your small violin for someone without any knowledge of what you are talking about, maybe they will listen to you.
As for the more money they make the more content they will put out, you only wish it worked that way. Blizzard makes one thousands times more off of WoW than any other MMO company, does that mean WoW has one thousands times more content updates. If you actually believe that you are fool, the more profits they make as a publicly traded company the more money is sent out as dividends to shareholders and bonuses to board of directors. Yes that means they have more money for development then an indie developer, but if you really think they put all that money back into development then you really have no clue how business works.
Oh yes, because it is not like their decisions could ever affect my game. Well what if Blizzard makes tons of money off of their digital e-bay and it becomes a standard for all games to come with one. Now did their spending habits affect my game play at that point? But you are so right people can spend their money how they want, who cares how it could affect the gaming industry.
Yeah like supply and demand are going to affect the items drop rate. Let’s see who has more of a chance of getting an item that has a one in a million chance of dropping, a regular player of Diablo 3 that has to spend time working and with their family, or a person that is paid to farm items 16 hours a day. Well let’s see how the odds work out famer has 16 hours to get that lucky drop, regular gamer maybe has 6 hours on a good day to get that item. I am no math wizard but I think that farmer has better odds here, then average Joe gamer. So how does that affect your supply and demand when the farmers are getting the really rare items and are controlling how many go up on the digital e-bay at one time? I will give you a clue in case you missed that 10th grade class, it is in one persons favor and it is not in ours! So who does that scenario work out better for there?
Now are people stupid because they just do not see your ideal situation for how item selling would work. Because the example I just gave is only one case I can think of where it does not work out in the gamer’s advantage. But you are so right only stupid people cannot see your point of view; it is great being a hypocrite isn’t it? It is so fun everyone should be one.
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D3 will have BOP items anyway right?
Personally, I would love to sit on my a^^ all day and game D3 while earning some cash on top of it.
Ah doh this is not linage II, no persistent world, you start your own instance, rather hard to camp that. Maybe you should understand how the game works before ranting about something that will never occur.
If someone would do this in an MMO, the developers would have to insure areas would not be camped.
People are stupid because they fail to understand that there is more than one RMT on the planet. Which pretty much discounts everything you say here.
I don't know why some people don't get it, but you are one of them.
Leave this forum immediately and never come back...never speak of Diablo 3 or it's predecessors again because you clearly have done zero investigation or playing of the series and are just hopping on the band wagon for blizzard hating that's going around.
First: You can't camp mobs. They don't respawn like an MMO. Why? Because this is not an MMO so do a little more research before you go bashing things you're uninformed about. You kill that boss, now you either have to join another's game or reload one for yourself, camping is impossible.
Second: If you've ever played a diablo game they max out at 8 players per match, so you won't have guilds of 100's camping mobs so you won't ever proceed and stealing all the good loot. It's called a private match in diablo..it's called password protected...guess what, you can play till your hearts content and camp your own mobs?!!
Third: All drops in Diablo 3 are essentially "eye of the beholder". Only YOU see the loot that drops for you, thus removing any possibility of someone snatching you're goods up or "ninja looting" for you since you never played D2.
Fourth: I have played D2 on and off for the last decade and the RMT has been in there in full swing for quite a while. Though right now it's just constant item spam in any room you go into because blizzard has zero control of it. Also making it difficult to play because the spam literally covers 3/4 of your viewing area and is really annoying. No you cannot password it if you're just hoping to get a match with some other avid players. The fact that blizzard is willing to try and battle this problem head on and give us an ability to make a little cash just doing something we love is a gift. They take a flat fee, big deal, they're doing all the transaction handling etc and the back end. You're just setting it up. Consider it a broker's fee, or a banker's fee like cashing a check at a different bank...even an ATM charge.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T PLAY AND TAKE YOUR WHINE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
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There is not much Blizzard left in Blizzard from the good old wc2 / d2 days. Blizzard is now Activisions cash cow, much like Infinity Ward.
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