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EDIT: Oh you got me OP!
HA!!!
I thought you were serious!!!
You bastard lol.
No matter what a person sexual preference no one could be that much of a puss...
You got me good OP LOL.
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Looking forward to: Nothing
If this topic is what I think it is about, then I have to say that I'm very sorry, and I tend to agree with you fully, despite the fact that I'm not one of your type, I feel fully that societal taboos in this area are full on pathetic and incredibly stupid.
The only explination I can give is this:
Bioware is based in my home nation of Canada. They gave us games like Mass Effect, Dragon Age: Origins, Mass Effect 2, etc. etc.
SWTOR is being developed by Bioware Ausrtin, a studio founded by Canadian Bioware, but based in the United States. A huge contributer to the game is Lucas Arts, another company based in the United States. Bioware Austin is owned by EA, another American company.
Certian things are legal in my home nation of Canada, certian acts that are illegal for huge portions of the United States. In Canada, there is absolutely no opposition to these things being legal. Even our right-wing, socially conservative government has no opposition to these things being legal. The United States is filled with people who oppose certain things being legal. Even the vaunted Obama and his political party are opposed to these these things being legal.
I think this is a cultural thing. The sad, pathetic, backwards American culture, believing only in freedom for some, not for all, permeating this game and influencing it for the worst.
In a single player, maybe, but not in an MMO. All it causes is people from the player base to whinge about some thing silly as what has been happening about this issue.
Pick something about the game that you find important, then have it arbitrarily removed. I'm sure you'd not hesitate to make a very public show of your displeasure in the forums. And if that one thing was completely unimportant to me, I'd like to think I'd at least have the decency to not completely denigrate your perspective, even if I don't share it.
Empathy is a chore. Why bother when callous disregard is so much easier?
WHY AREN'T <insert here> A ROMANTIC OPTION? OUTRAGE!
Why can't I romance a droid?
Why can't I romance that sign spot?
Why can't I romance that random rancor?
WHY IN GOD'S NAME CAN I NOT ROMANCE THAT STAR CUISER?!
Objects have feeling too.
Get my drift of how silly this issue is?
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Homosexuality doesnt really offend me. Ive worked with gay people before and had no problem. The guy talked about his boyfriend and I didnt give a darn. Whatever.
But this? Anyways, Im not sure its possible. But couldnt players just make a female toon, make her flat chested, give her masculine features, and a male name, and be happy with that? Use some imagination people. Then you can have the same sex relationship thing. Sort off.
Plus? There's going to be gay guilds. There always are. If the game doesnt give you the romance options you exactly want, there's got to be creative work arounds that might make you or anyone wanting it happy.
Seriously give Bioware some credit. They have done same sex relationships in Dragon Age. Im not sure about Mass Effect. But they dared enough to at least do it. Thats saying something too. Its just not going to happen in this game. You can pick out what? Like a thousand games that have romance in the story but dont offer same sex themed romances? Its not like this is the first time its happened.
Maybe the writers just didnt feel like including it. I know I wouldnt. Or more than likely they have to clear a lot of what they're doing with Lucas or whatever.
Its not homosexuality that offends me. Its the issue of including it in Swtor. Its an actual ISSUE. Good God people. Really? I mean if they did it, I'd shrug and say whatever. They havent so I shrug and say whatever. But the fact that people are actually hurt, angry, or dissapointed just sort of gets me. Why? Work around it. You can and will. I promise. It'll all work out. Really.
Well they will have species w/ other species relationships going on in Star Wars, I for some reason think that is good enough. Anyways, I always figured players who where interested in online relationships, marriage, and all that pursued relationships with other players in most MMOs, so isn't this a viable option here?
Lots of seriousness applied to a game...
I apologize if my text agitated you. But what can I tell you to calm you?
It is a true and honest report how I feel. That is all to say. Please do not see it as an attack. It is not meant in any way against any of your views. Peace! ^^
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This is like demanding a same sex romance version is made of every film that features a hetro storyline. It is really that stupid and over sensitive to me.
Look, some stories feature same sex relationships, some don't. People need to get over that and accept not every story has to reflect every human sexual preference to not be 'discriminating'.
The OP is waaaaay too emo about this and, tbh, a thicker skin needs to be grown.
Believe it or not someone actually did ask in a podcast if you could have a romance with the jawa companion. Sci-fi fans really creep me out sometimes.
Far as the OP, there's nothing stopping you from romancing other players.
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Which was locked so I couldn't even offer my support and denounce the social regressives who think everyone should be exactly like them.
It's easy to say that when you are not a second class citizen.
Isn't it?
I mean, after a while from what I see the people who have to go through this are just TIRED.
I just spoke with a lovely young woman who would love to go to maine but she can't get married there. So she has to stay here for a bit. that being the Boston area.
It's not an issue whne it's not an issue. but if you have actulaly sat down and spoke with people who are gay then you might see that they just want to be left alone and tolerated at least.
Personally I don't care about romances in muliplayer games. but if two people want to be "pretend" same sex couples then really who cares?
Well some I imagine.
But again, it's easy to throw up your arms and say "I dont' get it" when you havne't been marginalized your whole life. I imagine you might play a different tune if everything you did was attacked whenever there was a chance. Or if everything you did led to the possibility of being physically hurt.
But no, most of us get to go about our lives without that stuff whereas some are scared to even be seen as who they really are.
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i'm happy they closed this topic on the SWTOR forums. they could simply not have ANY romance...... would that be better? you could also simply go play SIMS... perhaps? no?
To my knowledge, George Lucas has never made anything Star Wars that had any sort of same gender romance to it.
IF there is to be anything like this in SW:TOR, George Lucas will end up making that call, don't kid yourself. This would be a big move for the Star Wars universe and anyone who follows Star Wars knows GL keeps a firm grip on his money machine.
He personally financed all 3 the prequals for a reason, his way, all the way.
Anywho, point is, I think being upset over this is silly as it'll be GL's call, he owns Star Wars. You, me, BioWare and EA don't.
agreed. but it's a topic that cant be discussed about one game either.... maybe you should start naming games that do have same sex romances. i sure know WoW does not... could flame that and not SWTOR right?
I am sorry if I left this impression I wanted this. English is not my first language, so maybe I did not write it clear enough. It is ok that the majority of movies have hetero storylines. I enjoy those movies just the same. I always cried with "Titanic".
I just thought in a story MMO with so many romances, I too get one or two for me, additionally. That was all. ^^ I don't want to change any other films or books or existing characters at all.
I guess you are right, things tend to make me feel bad faster than other people. I wish I had a thicker skin. I will work on it.
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Lucas Arts approves everything that gets written in the EU, even if Lucas later reconns it these things were approved.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Goran_Beviin
"Beviin was known as something of a traditionalist, and used old-fashioned equipment, including highly illegalcrushgaunts,[1] and beskar armor that was colored blue.[4] Beviin was homosexual, and settled down with his partner, Medrit Vasur, some time before 24 ABY.[1] The couple went on to adopt a daughter, Dinua Jeban. Beviin was a family man and was welcoming of guests on his farm.[2] Boba Fett thought of Beviin as all heart and courage, and not afraid of the pain of love.[3] He was the closest the anti-social Fett had to a friend.[2] Fett thought that Beviin would make a good Mandalore, but Beviin did not want to lead, and would rather stay on his farm.[5]Beviin held a deep hatred for the Yuuzhan Vong, and advocated killing every one. Beviin also held a dislike for the Jedi, and described Kubariet as "the only Jedi I've ever trusted."[3]"
Just so you know Eikal, in my experience City of Heroes is incredibly friendly toward the LGBT community. There is even a large super group.
Yeah, like I said, callous disregard is so much easier.
Sad.
But...its NOT an issue. Once again....
Here are your instructions for allowing same sex relationships in Swtor. Are we paying attention? Here we go:
Select female at character creation.
Modify female to be flat chested, with masculine features. This includes shoulders, chest, face, hair, etc if possible.
Give female a male name. Harry. George. Guadalupe. Senore Tight Pants. Whatever.
Thats it. You now have a male the game thinks is a female. Thus allowing same sex relationships of a sort.
Look, I dont know why Bioware didnt include it this time. There's probably reasons. Good ones. I dont know what they are. But its probably going to be possible to work around it. Just as Ive said.
And yes you make a fine point. But again, I just dont think this is an issue. With some creativity I think it can be worked around. No problem.
Oh I had a great time in COH! But I played all MMOs, hehe, so I kinda was needing new stuff. You see, I am a bit sick, chronically (no not in the head haha ^^), so I am forced to stay a lot of time at home. So I guess I need much MMO stuff, because I can't do much else.
IMO most people in MMO are mostly friendly. It is only few who are not so friendly. Sometimes it does not seem so to us, because they are so vocal, but most people I met in game were ok people.
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This is pretty much what I would suggest Eli, honestly.
Just enjoy the stories and don't let the fact that they might not reflect your personal life choices or preferences tear you up so much.
I say give us gender to gender flirts and romance. Id much rather have the "gay" set than the "pvp" set any day.
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I'm sorry, but you come off as a pretty callous person who only cares about your own enjoyment. You come off as one of those self-entitled people who doesn't care about what happens in the world as long as it caters to you.
You obviously don't understand how people feel considering your utter and completely trashy dismissal of legitimate concerns. Really, comparing this to wanting romance with a star? How much more callous can you get?
By the way, I'm not at all gay, but I would have loved the option to pursue such a relationship in SWTOR. I am pretty miffed at Bioware for them removing that option for me.
This must be the very first time I've seen anyone complain that there are LESS features in an MMO than there could be. And the sad thing is that this opinion is based on bigotry, not the lore or mechanics of the game.
No, it is absolutely NOTHING alike, In a film there is one option: the story that has been written and set on the screen. In a video game there are CHOICES. The point of the romance system is that I can choose one of my companion characters and initiate a romance. I have CHOICES here, I can CHOOSE to not pursue a relationship, I can CHOOSE which companion I choose a relationship with.
You are falsely comparing two mediums that are capable of entirely different things and have entirely different expectations. Even then, if I really wanted to I could rewrite Hamlet to have Hamlet pursue Horatio instead of Ophelia and then people would have the option to watch my gay Hamlet or the regular Hamlet.
You're totally right about that. But there are supposed to be tons of stories in this game. A few couldn't be permitted that appealed to a not inconsiderable cross section of the player base? And not to make light of it, but I tend to create female toons in most of the games I play so I would rather have the option to go down a romance path with a female interest rather than a male. It wouldn't turn me green if I had to, but I would be much more disconnected from the story at that point, just like the OP tried to explain.
It's all academic to me anyway since I won't be playing. But I'm interested in the debate about it.
I like how I don't share your point of view, you resort to name calling such as 'callous' and 'self-entitled.'
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