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SWTOR you break my heart :(
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They did it right.
Yes they do, i mean i get when its in Single Player game, especially if its one of those sub gnere Romance (Mostly J)RPG's.
I do not get it at all when it is in a multiplayer game, especiialy an MMO who's sole point is the interaction between multitudes of human players.
I could understand 'RA's as a one time fantasy, and i get them as a couch joke with your friends while playing Mass Effect on your 360, but i really dont understand why some one would want to have them in a persistant world which he will spend what i assuming are years in it.
It like having sex with a coworker at a company party(just with out the actual sex; or atleast i hope, and please do not elaborate on that issue :P), if your into that think could be fun for couple of hours, but then it would be just wierd for ever.
So for me besides the abvious "Why?!" issues, the constant reminder is just another really wierding out factor, and it doesnt matter if it was hetro, crapet munching, or the pain in the ass type of sex, its the fact that you invested emotional resources, and i assume recieved some pleasre from having a relationship with a couple of pre-scripted pixels.
Heck i would understand a relationship with a chatbot moret han i would understand a 'BioWare' RA one, atleast chat bots are very simmilar to most females, they listen to every thing, understand nothing, and once in a while dig up subjects from the grave and force you to go trough all that shit all over.
It's just a story. Some like romance stories, some don't. *shrug* ^^
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
At first I was sympathetic but then I saw who posted the op. A certain someone does this from time to time and seems to get a kick out of stirring up some sort of controversy. Next he'll be announcing he's leaving mmorpg.com in some long dramatic post only to return a couple weeks latter.
On a more serious note, I think the reason more people aren't outraged isn't due to bigotry but rather that no one cares one way or the other about "romancing" ai. Its not like relationships with fake characters is really a big part of the game. Instead of worrying about this feature, role play a romance with another player.
I don t know of one same sex situation is the SW universe. Why add it, if it s not there. I have plenty of gay friends, and I have no problem with it at all. That said, changing the SW universe to please everyone, would upset alot more people then not IMO. I say have no romance story in the game at all. I really don t need it in my game, I already have a wife, and thats enough work as it is
This whole thread confuses on many levels. First, Bioware has spent 100 million on this game, I think they are able to make the call if they want same gender relations.
Two: If your so apt at trying to get an online romance than just find another significant other (a real person) and create the same gender of character if it pleases you, and continue on an online relationship. Considering the fact that there are many people out there.
Three: Its a game, get over it. I dont know what you go through in real life, but believe it or not this is a very accepting age we live in ser, You wouldnt last the 50's.
Four: You have a choice of being with whoever you want. But that doesnt mean Bioware doesnt have the option of keeping same sex relations out of there game. Maybe they Dont believe in it and chose to keep it out of there game. Sorry you just have learn to accept that people also have the choice to NOT believe in same sex relationships. Everyone can't agree on everything. I have this problems with teenagers who believe that everyone needs to accept them for who they are just because of who they are. I encourage people to accept others but it just wont happen.
For someone who writes he plays MMOs to get away from his personal life, you sure do drag a lot of it into them with you Elikal.
Bioware doesn't even do romance particularly well.
Okay, now I get it. This whole thread is about BioWare NOT having homosexual relationships in this game . . .WHO CARES. I see no reason they should spend more money on an aspect of a game that might get 7-10 percent of the participates wanting such a relationship. Heck that is only if the percent of homosexuals playing this game follows the same percent of homosexuals in the population at large. This game is being made for more than 7-10 percent so I see no reason to add it. I do see a BIG reason to keep it out. While I am not homosexual, and really don't care what other people do in private, I do NOT want to be forced to participate in any kind of homosexual relationship. Not even to tell them "No, now go away". According to most studies, my inclination on this subject falls into the 47-52 percent of the population. If you add in the down right homo-phobic, that number jumps up into the low 70's percantage. So it seems BioWare is doing the right thing here, marketing the game to the largest population and all.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
If the OP is genuine I can see why he's upset about this, after all the issue doesn't begin or end with an MMO but occurs in many other areas of life. I don't see why personally, I've never understood what goes on between two consenting adults has to do with anyone else, but a lot of self-proclaimed moral folk seem to make it their business. I suspect it's more to do with prurience on their part than actual morality, though.
That said, I can see why Bioware have made the decision they have and it relates to my previous point. All it takes is one slow news day for the headline "New Star Wars Video Game Encourages Children To Play Homosexual Characters" to appear in the press. It doesn't matter that the game actually wouldn't, just like it didn't matter that you didn't score points for murdering prostitutes and killing children in GTA. Moral outrage doesn't need a firm grip on the truth, but it can hit sales and hurt businesses and customers by association.
And if the OP is genuine, I would suggest to him that MMORPG.com is probably the worst place to make a heartfelt, personally sensitive post as that.
Well if its just "for the story" than no reason to fuss about this, its not a major part of the game, heck its not even a foot note worthy part of it. There are plenty of other games to for that, so i really dont understand why would any one care specifically for this game.
Surely this is not a reason for not playing the game, unless its very ideological, and even then i dont quite get it. Its an MMO, they want to keep their ESRB/PEGI ratings that will allow them to sell this game or atlaest to let minors play this game with out having to jump trough hoops, same sex relationships are a touchy subject so just from a buisness point of view there is little sense in going with that if you are not planing for an M/PEGI18 rated game in the first place.
Alltough i do belive that homosexuality is a genetic driven condition(and for any one else than humans for all itents and purposes it counts as a severe defects because in primitive animals that been known to have this issue it prevents them from repreducing) but for the sake of PC lets stick to that word, and please do not make me a biggot for that - acknologing that homosexuality is a genetic defect does mean discrimination just as the fact that acknologing some people are born with diabities is not in any form a discirmination against them. Many people still belive that it has many enviormental factors tied to it, including exposure to certain beliefs, or ideas, I personaly think thats a load of crap, i really cannot think of a single thing that will make me be attracted to other men, heck i dont even get why girls find us guys attractive...
But i also strongly belive that underaged exposore to certian content, and irreuglar(and dont go into "gay is normal" arugment, yes a gay person is as normal as any other human being, but homosexuality is not "normal" if you werent inteligent enough to understand whats "wrong" with you, you would have nerver repreduce, which is by all means your sole purpose of existance on this planet) sexual orientation is well with in that scope should be done with in a controled enviorment and not a video game. That said, i do also belive that any one who was never exposed to homosexuality most likely will not be playing that game, but having a romantic story which involves same sex could be seen by too many people as a bad infulance on the "pure and innocent" minds of their children.
Honestly i think they should've just added some parental control feature like WoW has with RA's(of all types) turned off by default for underaged accounts. But still it is well in the rights of the perants to control what and how their childern are exposed to certain type of content.
Personaly i do not think that any one at BioWare, LA, or EA is biggot, and thats the reason it was removed, i belive that every one is just being practical and realistic and want to prevent a media rage out over this, especially in the US.
There exist three types of opinions/replies I won't comment on in detail.
1) People who do like like gay people: I do not want/care to convince you otherwise. This isn't a politican forum anyway. So it would just be the wrong place.
2) People who do not like Romance Stories in games: You don't have to like them. No one forces you to do them. Just accept everyone has different tastes. Some like chocolate, some prefer vanilla. Such it life.
3) People who do not like me: Well, again such is life. It is your right to dislike me.
I don't mean this offensive. It is just to clarify that I won't reply to any of these three posts because it would not make sense. ^^
To make it simple to answer to me:
a) I enjoy romance stories.
b) I prefer a romance story I can relate to. For the mere fun of entertainment.
c) I think when a game has many straight romance options I feel it would be fair to have a few for gay people too.
d) I do NOT think EVERY game (book, movie asf.) must have gay stuff. I am ONLY talking about my wish for SWTOR, because I wanted to play a personalized SW story.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
even thought straight love story will be there and that covers me
Let me get this straight.a gay person(not sure if OP is a woman or a man)say he doesnt like that,the company that made romance stories in their games a very good and quality thing(straight/gay ones)wont add her preference on the game at the
all the while,when the company(BIOWARE)had stated in their forums just recently that GAY people are in their playerbase too and they had to represent them also(thats from the Dragon Age 2 argument they had on the forums some months back)and many of you find it silly?
SWTOR is about STORY,the main selling point is STORY,in these forums when someone badmouth the game the same people that make the op sound funny make a list of things that TOR brings and in N1 is STORY.
Relationships in a story can give quite a good flavor(imagine if you could loose story quest from companions because your boyfriend/girlfriend was not the person that could give that quest?)if this was for any other company i wouldnt care,but this is BIOWARE we are talking about...they make these kind of things look good in their story.
as for luke loving solo...well ofcourse not but i dont know about him not loving his sister in a way that even biology would say..."man i find many things not being bad but what are you going to do is not the best thing in the wold"
for me not adding gay preferences in tha game...is wrong because this is not BIOWARE's choice it is forced on them...and we all know what happens when some parrent company start forsing the makers of a game their decisions...it starts small and then....
You need to spend some time away from the forums.
On another note , i do not support same-sex romance in any game, it doesn't belong there, you should think of one thing, kids play these games, one thing is to have biology in school when your young and your parents teach your about the bee's and the flowers if you catch my drift, but one thing is to put homosexual sex into a computer game, no no and no , there's the limit.
List of SOE lies
I can t understand, how someone who is into story so much, wants Bioware to change the lore of Star Wars. Unless I m completely wrong, there isn t any same sex anything going on in the lore. So with this point, take the game for what it is and move on. If it really offends you, stop and think how many people it would offend if it was added, with it s lore alone.
They keep opening all these cans of worms. IT KEEPS HAPPENING
I told you about that bigotry man, i warned ya bro.
I just comment on one point:
PEGI and ESRB do not differ between straight or gay. Read the ESRB guidelines.
I do not discuss the topic how right it is to be gay. That belongs to the politics forum.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Ok.. I'm going to come right out and say it.. a gay story line will hurt the sale and distribution of the game and would likely get it a more mature rating.. THAT is why they are not including it.. Its not to hurt the gay communities feelings or anything.. Its business..
You can of course retort by saying that the gay folks wont buy the game then.. Well in the grand scheme of things thats a very small drop in the bucket and they would rather keep the million or so teenage boys who's Mom MIGHT just check what the game has in it before handing John his money to buy it..
It wrong is prejudicial and its small minded.. But its the world as it is and you either play or take your toys and go home..
Kids should not play SWTOR at all. There is violence, you can torture people to get dark side points and the stories involve a lot of cruel and terrible things. Kids are NOT supposed to play SWTOR anyway!
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
agree...its the first responce that say things as it is...not the "gay things are stupid or disgusting"aproach some people take...
How the hell is homosexual sex any less appropriate than heterosexual sex?
Now I understand if they don't have it in the game because of lore reasons. I find very few references to homosexuality on Wookipedia. It looks as if it exists, but seems to be even less common than IRL. So maybe it would be kinda weird (again, for lore reasons) if there suddenly were a lot of homosexual couples in the game, I don't know. If the roles were reversed, I don't think I would complain.
However, if it's just because of them wanting to have a wider audience (including homophobes) or afraid of the game getting banned (in the southern states of the US for example) it's just a weak move on their part in my opinion.
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No game EVER who included same gender romance or sex sold less because of that. Sims, Fable, Dragon Age 1 & 2. There are gay Superheroes in Marvel and DC, gay characters in tons of TV shows. None of these are in great trouble because of it. It would be the first time.
And tbh, right is right. If Bioware & LucasArts think that gay people are ok and still following the "fear of money loss", the ethics is clear on the table. If we all give in to fear, when will prejudice and fear end? Every other entertainment sector left gay discrimination behind: literature, movies, tv, comics. Heck, even Archie comics has a gay character now. Only video games are kinda stuck in a past time sort of morality.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
in a world where you murder people in cold blood...and the term hunting people for money is something that you can choose as your class...not even mentioning other acts you can do for the dark side...thinking someone of the same sex atracts you is the dangerous thing....ok i get it. :P
It is already part of the lore of Star Wars.
Goran Beviin and Medrit Vasur are two male characters in Star Wars that according to Canon are married (to each other if that needed to be clarified), they also adopted a war orphan
Juhani, a character from KOTOR is a Lesbian, and listed as being Bisexual.
Limited the examples may be, but they do in fact exist as part of the Canon (lore) of Star Wars.
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
I'm not sure who is the more small minded here. The people that see the probable money loss and try to dismiss it, or the people who feel that no matter how small there "faction" is that they should still be given equal footing.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
Too long to quote every thing, i wasnt commentig about "how right is it to be gay" but it is an abnormality, doesn't mean its "wrong" "bad" or any other negative thing.
But people have rights to control what their children are exposed too, so instead of painting me out as a biggot for saying that homosexiality is(mostlikely) a genetic condition that for ever "prevents" alltough in humans it does not wortk as intended from repreducing, you could've touched the more intresting subjects, like perantal control, and content type classification.
BTW I've tried to search for same sex content in regards to ESRB and PEGI but didnt find any thing specific.
But still the guidelines are just to cover thier ass, for example films that show full male nuditiy will usually recieve a lower age rating than ones that show a female one, even if there is no sexual context involved. the MPAA have been criticized multiple types for similar behaivor when classifying mild sexual behaviour by favoring hetrosexual activity to homosexual one. A film that has a making out scene of 2 straight teenagers will most likely keep its PG13 rating, while the same scene with 2 gay teenagers will most likely result in an R rated stamp.
So guidelines or not, if PEGI, or the ESRB want to rate your game as M/PEGI18 theyll find a reason for that even if its not the real one.