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Please show me how you can come up with hours played = subscription. Oh, and I want solid computation and correlational data with solid proof to back it up. Untill then, I stand by my statement as factual.
I mean that the changes in the number of hours played does not signify changes in the amount of people that are subscribed to the game.
Just cause you cant accept reality doesnt make my assumptions incorrect, Xfire clearly caters for gamers that play a lot of games and have a lot of hours to put into games, there is no other reason to use it, going around the forums I can see signatures and pretty much everyone has several thousand hours put into an MMO if that is not hardcore then I dont know what it is.
Regarding buying at release, if you do a simple search, you will find its a trend ppl complaining about buying MMOs at release cause that is the nature of ppl that frequent this website, ppl here are not casual gamers they want to play MMOs their MMO regardless of what it is, and they will pay for games as soon as it launch as is the nature of most ppl that play a type of game and are considered hardcore. While ppl I know who are not gamers and play WoW for instance dont care about release dates, they dont want to play anything else with MMORPG tag unless is WoW such is life.
So my assumptions have a quite clear foundation, but if you say stick with facts then lets do it.
FACT: SWTOR xfire users have played less hours daily.
Ok nothing else that we can use as fact sadly.
EDIT: I see you sneakily added some stuff
"I bet when they start merging servers, you are going to say, that it's not subscribtion drop, it's people who played the game grew up a little, and have families, so they play less, hence servers are less loaded, when EA issues real subs numbers, and they are dropping you are going to say, well all those people dropped subscribtions right after the report, since, it was new content patch on the horrison, so they decided to wait till the patch, when the game goes f2p or shuts down to couple of servers you would say, hey it's just hollydays soon, everyone is spending the time with friends, so they all stopped playing at the same time, but soon they will come back, and even if EA shuts down the game completely, you would say it was conspiracy, and it's all blizzard harckers and payed off haters."
Again grasping at straws, trying to use some arbitrary future event that only you have foreseen about me to justify your extrapolated assumptions that have no basis whatsoever.
Again in your own words stick with facts only.
FACT: SWTOR xfire users have started playing less hours daily.
Those aren't facts... those are purely wishful thinking scenarios on your part.
Throw in 2 more facts:
people are complaining as much as they did at other failed mmo launches
more servers are going light (swtorarena)
Hours xfire users played dropped by 10000 in one week;
More servers acording to swtorarena are going light;
People are constantly complaining about the game;
those are not facts?
Again your own assumptions, people complaint even more about WoW and its still the most successfull MMO in the world, so no.
I have no idea what SWTORarena works or how they get their data, so if you can prove that their data is reliable then sure, but even then a larger percentage of players are at any time on a server at launch than afterwards its probably around 10% at any one point from then on, or are you still one of those conspiracy theorist from here that think that blizzard cant have 10.5mil subs because servers can only hold 3.5 to 5k players at any one time?
I rest my case.
Throw in 2 more facts:
people are complaining as much as they did at other failed mmo launches
more servers are going light (swtorarena)
Since we're talking facts here, let's add some more:
- people have been complaining a LOT about WoW the past years and a lot about Aion, yet WoW maintained a 10+ million subs while complaints were abundant, and Aion made 200+ million dollar revenues in 2010 and 2011.
- Xfire players played TOR 7-9 hours daily average the first weeks, against 4.5-6 hours daily average now.
- Currently, the Xfire player numbers are around the player numbers they were in the first week after launch (9-10k)
- server status changed with the raising of player caps, player numbers that registered as full the first 1-2 weeks, now only register as standard to very heavy. Status change was also happening the first weeks of this month, with a number of servers showing 'heavy' now with higher player numbers where before they showed 'very heavy' with less player numbers. As the chart creators have repeatedly and strongly stated, their graphs are no indication of player numbers and this is one reason: their charts are based on the server status, 'standard', 'heavy' etc, but if the meaning of that status has changed over the weeks and isn't the same for all servers, then it can't show player numbers or trends, as the chart creators themselves are very much aware of and have stated multiple times.I think that there has been some retention loss after the first month, as all MMO's suffer after the first month, it never happens that 100% of all people that buy an MMORPG also will sub to that MMO. However, that retention loss is so far nowhere near as dramatic as BW/TOR haters and critics want to make it to be.
The servers I play continue as packed as ever and the game is already in its second month, so whos there is already paying monthly fee.
Clearly the haters failed their prediction and the game continues as strong as ever
Those weren't in your prior post.
Also, they're skewed. Rebuttals are in red.
Where to start here...
IF the game is failing it won't fail in a single month. Warhammer lasted 3 months and I'd expect at least the same here. The casuals are just now hitting 50 so quite a few will be bored by the next sub date. The key subscriber marks will be 3 and 6 months, so keep on watching.
When a MMO fails some servers will become overpopulated while others become ghost towns. The most overpopulated at launch are usually the servers that become the last bastion. As people realize their server is going down and the game developers lack of transfer plans, they will re-roll to the most populated server. It will snowball and those last servers will actually have queues! I believe that RIFT has had this problem as of late and it was certainly true in WAR.
Personally? I think we've already seen the lead engine hit in this train wreck and the rest is just watching the train cars follow suit. Bioware actually dodged a bullet with D3 getting delayed and GW2 coming out in May(guess!). If there was a major alternative to SWTOR the loss of subscribers would be far worse. They are still going to lose the subs but not nearly as fast.
Already seen the end huh? It's doomed already? Seen all the people diving for the lifeboats have we?
Anyone out there still playing this game besides me then? Cause I see new people joining weekly on my server, not leaving in mass. Maybe its happening on someone elses server? And no, I'm not asking this question of all of you people who do not even play the game anymore. You're not there to see so your 'opinion' isn't needed on reply. Lets hear from the people who are playing, who see what is really happening on thier servers. Give the 'I think' and 'I believe' a rest for a bit so we can get some real facts from people who know first hand.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
lol. Because logging into a server gives you special and factual insight on subscription numbers.
I think I'm gonna go with my super scientific analysis and say TOR is tanking because every single message board, including the main swtor forums, has this game getting ripped apart. I've never seen such bad word of mouth for a game that's supposedly doing great.
I'm still waiting for someone to answer my request in this very same thread.
I just love this debate, it shows just how silly and in denial some people are. With that said.
I have been using xfire as a means to measure the health on an MMO in the NA and EU markets since the time of AC2. Since that time not one MMO has performed any differently - health wise - compared to what xfire was showing us. Not one - ever. If one has - point it out. Show us an MMO that has performed differently than what xfire has shown us - just one.
If you can post just one - I'll never post on an xfire thread or bring it up on these boards ever again. ^_^
OMG GUYS, don't let this opportunity go.
Go go go!
I think it is of little use, because it'll probably only end up with you saying 'ah, but that's not what I meant' or some way to twist away from that promise, seen that kind of stuff enough times. But here you go, some posts that were already posted when you asked that question the first time.
And here's another one:
So, let me ask you once again and let's pinpoint: if we can give examples where the Xfire figures are not representative for a game's health, like subs are going up but Xfire isn't showing it, or subs and player activity is the same but Xfire doesn't show it instead Xfire numbers are going up or down, then that's the example you're looking for?
For the record, I don't believe one inch that you'll honor this so called promise of yours, my bet is that you'll squirm away from the promise and keep adding exclusions, like you're doing now, saying that 'oh, but if Xfire isn't showing the STO figures properly bc of various clients, then that doesn't count'. Thing is, he didn't say the figures weren't shown AT ALL, like that Farmville example you gave, he said that the figure wasn't accurate anymore because it showed a drop off, not a complete disappearance, of player numbers and hours. A drop off that wasn't happening in reality.You take a game that cannot be measured on xfire and use it as a means to argue your point. Right. No I will not honor this. I am not squirming my way out of anything. If anything you are trying to take a game that cannot be measured on xfire and pointing to it and going see! LMAO!
How can you measure something if it is not even represented on xfire? Sorry that isn't going to fly. Nice try though and continue to belive that.
STO was still represented in Xfire and still had figures that it tracked, only not accurately, which was what you were talking about. Nice squirming though. Besides that, you haven't answered my question. Since you're the one making a promise/bet on a request that you keep changing as soon as people give you examples, maybe you should tell exactly the conditions and requirements of your request, or just back off and admit defeat, namely that there really are examples where it's blatantly obvious that Xfire is wrong in those cases.
NB: I don't even really care whether you'll keep using Xfire and posting about it or not - I mean, I myself find it handy for overall trends - but you were the one making a point out of it and a bet, foolishly taunting other posters, out of sheer ignorance of situations where Xfire was/is known to be not in sync with reality and the actual situation..