There you go friend I underlined the part you didn't read for you
Read it. Made my post for emphasis. Why would you assume otherwise?
Because you said "how have you been bashing it without ever playing it" when he said that he had already played it before... extensively
"Don't mistake a fun game for a good game... Checkers is fun to play but its not exactly the highest point of gaming design... and definatly not worth $60 plus $15 a month"
I've been ranting on about this game ever since my extensive beta experience. In general, what one experiences in beta is what they experience on the live servers. However, I broke down and decided to give it another try (because of guildmate pressure).
So I installed the game and started playing. Again, the story was pretty entertaining at first. However, after a few days, I couldn't deal with all the useless "run here, run there, come back, run here, deliver this, come back" bullcrap. Most of my playtime seemed to be just running along these boring paths.
My guildies agreed that the questing becomes boring as heck. So they had pretty much leveled up via PvP. Okay. "I'll try that."
So we queue our group for PvP. It's a beatdown. We pillaged just about every Void Star, Huttball, and Alderaan match. However, after about the 20th time, I couldn't take it anymore. Dailes / PvP / Rinse & Repeat - ugh.
I left the group and headed over to the nearest Auction House. It was flooded with players - all wearing the same Battlemaster-whatever gear. They all looked the same. They all had the same few speeders. They all had the same little pets. They all had the same titles.
My goodness. This game is honestly the worst MMO I've ever played. It's not a clone of WoW, though. Even a linear game like WoW has MUCH MORE depth than SWTOR. This game is terrible and should not be considered a MMORPG.
Even my guildies agreed that they would be long gone had it not been mildly entertaining playing with friends.
So you tried the beta and didnt like it, then you buy the game and dont like it? Are you sir a rocket scientist?
"Hi, I hate the president candidate number 5." Then comes the election day, you walk into the booth and vote for number 5. You are not supposed to buy a product that you dont like, that's also voting with your wallet, you just voted for TOR.
There you go friend I underlined the part you didn't read for you
Read it. Made my post for emphasis. Why would you assume otherwise?
Because you said "how have you been bashing it without ever playing it" when he said that he had already played it before... extensively
No... he said he played BETA extensively. Huge difference. If someone is to give feedback on a game that is out, I don't care how much they think they know from beta, it's not the same game once it goes into a live build. That aside, if the OP really did play extensively in beta, maybe he is just burnt out. I don't know of any game I could play for years in beta and then also play at launch and not be bored. I have never seen a game like that in my 30 years of gaming.
That said, I don't know why the OP is still commenting on SWTOR. Burnt out from beta? Check! Did not play live game? Check! Proceeded to comment on live game excessively without playing a live build? Check! Started playing a live build recently and was still burnt out? Check! Blames Bioware? ROFL!
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It all started back with the old SSI D&D games, a little taste of UO, add some Diablo, Diablo 2, Counterstrike (before there was a retail version...I miss Dust...), Lotro (when it released, I have to say that cause it's like a different game now), Hellgate (beta), Warhammer, Eve, and yes WoW. And you know what's funny, I enjoyed them all. Yes there were things about each game that I did/do not like, but each game offered me something that made me feel I had spent money well: Entertainment.
Now I realize that what is entertaining to one, is crap to another, that's the beauty of the world. I don't like Family Guy all that much, I have a friend who thinks it's the funniest thing on TV. But I don't feel the need to trash Family Guy to my friend, and he doesn't feel the need to try and convince me to watch it.
I realize that the boards are for discussion, and that every member is free to post what they wish about games (within the guidelines of course), but for the most part, the hate threads are not really prompting much discussion. Most of the, "Tor bads, i r rage, evil EA, stoopid BW, rawr!" threads are simply posted up with the goal of bashing the game, and not offering any sort of feedback or discussion.
I enjoy Tor. It is worth the money I spent, for me. It does have a lot of growing up to do, but I am a patient man. I can understand some people have issues with the game, don't like it, wish it was more like SWG, less like WoW. But please, if your going create a thread about how much you hate the game, leave off the buzzwords, and actually try and create a thread that prompts discussion, not just flame wars between fanchildren, and angryvets.
4) Retards that expect a new game to be the same as a polished 7 year MMO.
5) Players that think so highly of themselves that they have to nerd rage quite in local or these forums to make themselves feel better as they retreat back to their 7 year old panda bears and pokemon. As if we care about what you think of the game.
This is fun.
1. No, just people who expect games to be better than a game released 7 years previously. Lets not forget they spent hundreds of millions of pounds. That kind of money should have produced a polished cutting edge innovating product that moves the genre forward - do you think this is the case?
2. grow up.
3. grow up.
4. You dont have that right, a game released 7 years after another game should be significantly better, otherwise you would be as well playing the original as it has 7 years maturity. Seen GW2? It is 'retarded' to live with low expectations. what other games in the history of gaming have been worse than games released 7 years previously?!. missing features and poorly designed game elements is not polish btw.
Ask yourself this, if it was not Star wars would it be any good?
5. grow up
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Originally posted by Souldrainer Originally posted by illorion
Originally posted by Souldrainer
There you go friend I underlined the part you didn't read for you
Read it. Made my post for emphasis. Why would you assume otherwise? Because you said "how have you been bashing it without ever playing it" when he said that he had already played it before... extensively No... he said he played BETA extensively. Huge difference. If someone is to give feedback on a game that is out, I don't care how much they think they know from beta, it's not the same game once it goes into a live build. That aside, if the OP really did play extensively in beta, maybe he is just burnt out. I don't know of any game I could play for years in beta and then also play at launch and not be bored. I have never seen a game like that in my 30 years of gaming. That said, I don't know why the OP is still commenting on SWTOR. Burnt out from beta? Check! Did not play live game? Check! Proceeded to comment on live game excessively without playing a live build? Check! Started playing a live build recently and was still burnt out? Check! Blames Bioware? ROFL! Umm, the game is not that different from beta. Well, except they removed the more complex mod system, removed killing your companions, removed multiple armors, removed HQ textures, etc. So yeaaaa....
Im enjoying the game so..... yeah..... a lot of the problems you guys list, i haven't experienced at all. And most of them are shared with other MMOs. You guys expect WAAAAY TOO MUCH from MMOs, get a sense of god damn reality for once. SWTOR is a great game (I played both WoW and Rift, raided hardcore in both). IF you did your research, your expectations wouldn't be as exaggerated as it was. DO YOUR FUCKING RESEARCH! I knew what to expect from the game, and enjoy it greatly.
Not to mention, these type of threads pop up FOR EVERY SINGLE MMO when they get released. Can you see the pattern? Nothing new here, just the same old whining from idiots who expect too much from MMOs.
I keep seeing random dudes posting how bad this game is and really wait to see them post what game they are actually PLAYING so we have a point of reference . But no one does.
It would increase my laugh factor by a 100 when someone posted " Game is bland , boring compared to WoW or Darkfall or Guid Wars that I currently play . "
Or at least tell us that they don't really play ANY MMO , and they just wait for the next big one that will blow us away .
I read these posts and seriously wonder if these people have ever understood how an MMO works .
This random dude bought two Deluxe copies of the game - one for myself and for my wife. My wife said the game sucked by level 15...I got to level 50 and realized that BW spent all of it's money on VO and forgot to add the game. Hamster wheel grinding Raids and broken PVP for gear is the same crap that's been churned out for the last 7 years
300 Mil and BW and EA couldn't even release the game with a UI you could move or other basic features you would expect from ANY new MMO. BW's answer to end game content is to roll an Alt if you're bored. LOL
Fact is SWTOR is a single player game being sold as an MMO - plain and simple. So I packed up and went back to EQ2 - an old but very solid, fun game and will be there until the "next big game" happens.
We should all expect more from these companies and you should see a trememdous drop in subs over the next couple of months when slower players start figuring out there's no game after 50 either
Currently playing SWTOR and it's MUCH better than it was at launch.
Im enjoying the game so..... yeah..... a lot of the problems you guys list, i haven't experienced at all. And most of them are shared with other MMOs. You guys expect WAAAAY TOO MUCH from MMOs, get a sense of god damn reality for once. SWTOR is a great game (I played both WoW and Rift, raided hardcore in both). IF you did your research, your expectations wouldn't be as exaggerated as it was. DO YOUR FUCKING RESEARCH! I knew what to expect from the game, and enjoy it greatly.
Not to mention, these type of threads pop up FOR EVERY SINGLE MMO when they get released. Can you see the pattern? Nothing new here, just the same old whining from idiots who expect too much from MMOs.
I keep seeing random dudes posting how bad this game is and really wait to see them post what game they are actually PLAYING so we have a point of reference . But no one does.
It would increase my laugh factor by a 100 when someone posted " Game is bland , boring compared to WoW or Darkfall or Guid Wars that I currently play . "
Or at least tell us that they don't really play ANY MMO , and they just wait for the next big one that will blow us away .
I read these posts and seriously wonder if these people have ever understood how an MMO works .
This random dude bought two Deluxe copies of the game - one for myself and for my wife. My wife said the game sucked by level 15...I got to level 50 and realized that BW spent all of it's money on VO and forgot to add the game. Hamster wheel grinding Raids and broken PVP for gear is the same crap that's been churned out for the last 7 years
300 Mil and BW and EA couldn't even release the game with a UI you could move or other basic features you would expect from ANY new MMO. BW's answer to end game content is to roll an Alt if you're bored. LOL
Fact is SWTOR is a single player game being sold as an MMO - plain and simple. So I packed up and went back to EQ2 - an old but very solid, fun game and will be there until the "next big game" happens.
We should all expect more from these companies and you should see a trememdous drop in subs over the next couple of months when slower players start figuring out there's no game after 50 either
If SWTOR was so good, why do we never see any positive arguements, e.g SWTOR is amazing, look at feature X, its amazing! Instead you get those people posting, omg you must be a retard/not understand how mmos work/hater blah blah blah.
So come, if SWTOR is so good show us what is so good about it (and yes we know about VO, next)
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Im enjoying the game so..... yeah..... a lot of the problems you guys list, i haven't experienced at all. And most of them are shared with other MMOs. You guys expect WAAAAY TOO MUCH from MMOs, get a sense of god damn reality for once. SWTOR is a great game (I played both WoW and Rift, raided hardcore in both). IF you did your research, your expectations wouldn't be as exaggerated as it was. DO YOUR FUCKING RESEARCH! I knew what to expect from the game, and enjoy it greatly.
Not to mention, these type of threads pop up FOR EVERY SINGLE MMO when they get released. Can you see the pattern? Nothing new here, just the same old whining from idiots who expect too much from MMOs.
I keep seeing random dudes posting how bad this game is and really wait to see them post what game they are actually PLAYING so we have a point of reference . But no one does.
It would increase my laugh factor by a 100 when someone posted " Game is bland , boring compared to WoW or Darkfall or Guid Wars that I currently play . "
Or at least tell us that they don't really play ANY MMO , and they just wait for the next big one that will blow us away .
I read these posts and seriously wonder if these people have ever understood how an MMO works .
This random dude bought two Deluxe copies of the game - one for myself and for my wife. My wife said the game sucked by level 15...I got to level 50 and realized that BW spent all of it's money on VO and forgot to add the game. Hamster wheel grinding Raids and broken PVP for gear is the same crap that's been churned out for the last 7 years
300 Mil and BW and EA couldn't even release the game with a UI you could move or other basic features you would expect from ANY new MMO. BW's answer to end game content is to roll an Alt if you're bored. LOL
Fact is SWTOR is a single player game being sold as an MMO - plain and simple. So I packed up and went back to EQ2 - an old but very solid, fun game and will be there until the "next big game" happens.
We should all expect more from these companies and you should see a trememdous drop in subs over the next couple of months when slower players start figuring out there's no game after 50 either
It has a traditional EQ/WoW/EQ2/Rift raid endgame but its an untested poorly done very buggy endgame. I have no idea why anyone would want to bang thier heads against the wall playing ToR's endgame when there are much better and more developed versions of it in EQ2, Rift and WoW. Not to mention the audience that Tor has targetted is very casual meaning it will be very hard to sell them on any difficult endgame raiding. Very few top raiding guilds have commited to ToR and I doubt any will. They will stay in EQ2/Rift and WoW where they know the quality and difficulty of the raid content will be much superior.
I've been ranting on about this game ever since my extensive beta experience. In general, what one experiences in beta is what they experience on the live servers. However, I broke down and decided to give it another try (because of guildmate pressure).
So I installed the game and started playing. Again, the story was pretty entertaining at first. However, after a few days, I couldn't deal with all the useless "run here, run there, come back, run here, deliver this, come back" bullcrap. Most of my playtime seemed to be just running along these boring paths.
My guildies agreed that the questing becomes boring as heck. So they had pretty much leveled up via PvP. Okay. "I'll try that."
So we queue our group for PvP. It's a beatdown. We pillaged just about every Void Star, Huttball, and Alderaan match. However, after about the 20th time, I couldn't take it anymore. Dailes / PvP / Rinse & Repeat - ugh.
I left the group and headed over to the nearest Auction House. It was flooded with players - all wearing the same Battlemaster-whatever gear. They all looked the same. They all had the same few speeders. They all had the same little pets. They all had the same titles.
My goodness. This game is honestly the worst MMO I've ever played. It's not a clone of WoW, though. Even a linear game like WoW has MUCH MORE depth than SWTOR. This game is terrible and should not be considered a MMORPG.
Even my guildies agreed that they would be long gone had it not been mildly entertaining playing with friends.
What are you playing?
Could you by chance compare and contrast and not just claim there is MUCH MORE of whatever in whatever game. It would give you more credibilty.
Also fairness, By that I mean give it the same standard you judge others by. Example, WoW's launch vs ST:ToR's launch. 1 was playable, 1 you couldnt log in for days........
As far as 'They all looked the same".....well duh, other than color dyeing, thats how it goes, especially a month after launch. In ANY mmo.
But Im sure if you just keep up your 'ranting', your guildies will quit SW:TOR and go play with the ball, I mean MMO, you stomped off with.
If SWTOR was so good, why do we never see any positive arguements, e.g SWTOR is amazing, look at feature X, its amazing! Instead you get those people posting, omg you must be a retard/not understand how mmos work/hater blah blah blah.
So come, if SWTOR is so good show us what is so good about it (and yes we know about VO, next)
been saying this for awhile now.. but I have seen several good video reviews highlighting many flaws people have been talking about in the game.. yet I can't find any sort of counter video review to back up anything and show how great the game is... pvp videos of this game are just awful snoozefests and even just watching someone run around the areas and fight things will put you to sleep. I'd enjoy a rebuttal video review of this review http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnPxP9Xsc94
If SWTOR was so good, why do we never see any positive arguements, e.g SWTOR is amazing, look at feature X, its amazing! Instead you get those people posting, omg you must be a retard/not understand how mmos work/hater blah blah blah.
So come, if SWTOR is so good show us what is so good about it (and yes we know about VO, next)
been saying this for awhile now.. but I have seen several good video reviews highlighting many flaws people have been talking about in the game.. yet I can't find any sort of counter video review to back up anything and show how great the game is... pvp videos of this game are just awful snoozefests and even just watching someone run around the areas and fight things will put you to sleep. I'd enjoy a rebuttal video review of this review http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnPxP9Xsc94
Refuting that video would not be hard, considering one of the top commenters is saying most of his complaints were fixed in beta.
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If SWTOR was so good, why do we never see any positive arguements, e.g SWTOR is amazing, look at feature X, its amazing! Instead you get those people posting, omg you must be a retard/not understand how mmos work/hater blah blah blah.
So come, if SWTOR is so good show us what is so good about it (and yes we know about VO, next)
been saying this for awhile now.. but I have seen several good video reviews highlighting many flaws people have been talking about in the game.. yet I can't find any sort of counter video review to back up anything and show how great the game is... pvp videos of this game are just awful snoozefests and even just watching someone run around the areas and fight things will put you to sleep. I'd enjoy a rebuttal video review of this review http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnPxP9Xsc94
Refuting that video would not be hard, considering one of the top commenters is saying most of his complaints were fixed in beta.
what complaints were fixed during beta.. the biggest issues yuo see in this video were not fixed in any shape or form and he doesn't even get into some of the worst stuff like pvp
There you go friend I underlined the part you didn't read for you
Read it. Made my post for emphasis. Why would you assume otherwise?
Because you said "how have you been bashing it without ever playing it" when he said that he had already played it before... extensively
No... he said he played BETA extensively. Huge difference. If someone is to give feedback on a game that is out, I don't care how much they think they know from beta, it's not the same game once it goes into a live build. That aside, if the OP really did play extensively in beta, maybe he is just burnt out. I don't know of any game I could play for years in beta and then also play at launch and not be bored. I have never seen a game like that in my 30 years of gaming.
That said, I don't know why the OP is still commenting on SWTOR. Burnt out from beta? Check! Did not play live game? Check! Proceeded to comment on live game excessively without playing a live build? Check! Started playing a live build recently and was still burnt out? Check! Blames Bioware? ROFL!
Umm, the game is not that different from beta. Well, except they removed the more complex mod system, removed killing your companions, removed multiple armors, removed HQ textures, etc. So yeaaaa....
Addition of a new FP and a new Raid, dozens of bug and imbalance fixes, and the addition of FSAA... it's almost identical, only four patches later.
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If SWTOR was so good, why do we never see any positive arguements, e.g SWTOR is amazing, look at feature X, its amazing! Instead you get those people posting, omg you must be a retard/not understand how mmos work/hater blah blah blah.
So come, if SWTOR is so good show us what is so good about it (and yes we know about VO, next)
been saying this for awhile now.. but I have seen several good video reviews highlighting many flaws people have been talking about in the game.. yet I can't find any sort of counter video review to back up anything and show how great the game is... pvp videos of this game are just awful snoozefests and even just watching someone run around the areas and fight things will put you to sleep. I'd enjoy a rebuttal video review of this review http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnPxP9Xsc94
Refuting that video would not be hard, considering one of the top commenters is saying most of his complaints were fixed in beta.
what complaints were fixed during beta.. the biggest issues yuo see in this video were not fixed in any shape or form and he doesn't even get into some of the worst stuff like pvp
I'm not patient enough to watch it again. I saw it before, and it's basically garbage. Stuff like... no ambient sound? Really? It was there for me. In one example though, he is completely and 100% wrong near the 18 min mark where he talks about the SI quest NPCs never being seen again. Dude played to his 30s and failed to mention that you will see those NPCs again and your interaction the second and third time depend on your choices in your first encounter with them. But, he dared to say the opposite, thinking it would be true. It's not.
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If SWTOR was so good, why do we never see any positive arguements, e.g SWTOR is amazing, look at feature X, its amazing! Instead you get those people posting, omg you must be a retard/not understand how mmos work/hater blah blah blah.
So come, if SWTOR is so good show us what is so good about it (and yes we know about VO, next)
been saying this for awhile now.. but I have seen several good video reviews highlighting many flaws people have been talking about in the game.. yet I can't find any sort of counter video review to back up anything and show how great the game is... pvp videos of this game are just awful snoozefests and even just watching someone run around the areas and fight things will put you to sleep. I'd enjoy a rebuttal video review of this review http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnPxP9Xsc94
Refuting that video would not be hard, considering one of the top commenters is saying most of his complaints were fixed in beta.
what complaints were fixed during beta.. the biggest issues yuo see in this video were not fixed in any shape or form and he doesn't even get into some of the worst stuff like pvp
I'm not patient enough to watch it again. I saw it before, and it's basically garbage. Stuff like... no ambient sound? Really? It was there for me. In one example though, he is completely and 100% wrong near the 18 min mark where he talks about the SI quest NPCs never being seen again. Dude played to his 30s and failed to mention that you will see those NPCs again and your interaction the second and third time depend on your choices in your first encounter with them. But, he dared to say the opposite, thinking it would be true. It's not.
most the stuff you are complaining about he talks about in the thread and corrects.. but what hasn't changed is the heavily instanced/phasing of areas. The completly unispired worlds, the static mobs sitting in sets of 3 waiting to be slaughtered, the npc clones all over, the reused dialog all over, the very very vanilla classes and talent trees with no real variety, the very heavy emphasis on single player gaming in a mmo, lack of decent lfg features, dialog choices you pick not matching up with what character actual says, very blad enviornemnts, extremly boring and limited replay value due to so many overlapping quests.. could go on and on.. either way i'm still waiting to see a great video review showing me how this is the best MMO ever released.. if it was a video like that would not be hard to make..
I'm not going to read the thread... But if someone can tell me of a game with a deeper questing experience than swotor I will poop my pants.
You will be doing a lot of pooping by the end of this year and next year lol.
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If SWTOR was so good, why do we never see any positive arguements, e.g SWTOR is amazing, look at feature X, its amazing! Instead you get those people posting, omg you must be a retard/not understand how mmos work/hater blah blah blah.
So come, if SWTOR is so good show us what is so good about it (and yes we know about VO, next)
been saying this for awhile now.. but I have seen several good video reviews highlighting many flaws people have been talking about in the game.. yet I can't find any sort of counter video review to back up anything and show how great the game is... pvp videos of this game are just awful snoozefests and even just watching someone run around the areas and fight things will put you to sleep. I'd enjoy a rebuttal video review of this review http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnPxP9Xsc94
Refuting that video would not be hard, considering one of the top commenters is saying most of his complaints were fixed in beta.
what complaints were fixed during beta.. the biggest issues yuo see in this video were not fixed in any shape or form and he doesn't even get into some of the worst stuff like pvp
I'm not patient enough to watch it again. I saw it before, and it's basically garbage. Stuff like... no ambient sound? Really? It was there for me. In one example though, he is completely and 100% wrong near the 18 min mark where he talks about the SI quest NPCs never being seen again. Dude played to his 30s and failed to mention that you will see those NPCs again and your interaction the second and third time depend on your choices in your first encounter with them. But, he dared to say the opposite, thinking it would be true. It's not.
most the stuff you are complaining about he talks about in the thread and corrects.. but what hasn't changed is the heavily instanced/phasing of areas. The completly unispired worlds, the static mobs sitting in sets of 3 waiting to be slaughtered, the npc clones all over, the reused dialog all over, the very very vanilla classes and talent trees with no real variety, the very heavy emphasis on single player gaming in a mmo, lack of decent lfg features, dialog choices you pick not matching up with what character actual says, very blad enviornemnts, extremly boring and limited replay value due to so many overlapping quests.. could go on and on.. either way i'm still waiting to see a great video review showing me how this is the best MMO ever released.. if it was a video like that would not be hard to make..
There are a ton of rave reviews about the game out there. Is it flawless? No. What game is flawless? In spite of what a few mindless fanboys say, WOW has bugs. They all have bugs and issues. As for this guy and his "clones" complaint, I just... I tried to reproduce it in the game it after I watched the video and I just didn't have time. I was too busy having fun. Don't get me wrong. The guy does have some valid complaints that will strike true for some people, but most of them don't weigh in with KOTOR fans, and a good deal of them are not true, as stated.
Part of me wishes I was a SWG fan instead of a KOTOR fan, so I could get behind all of the little "nuance" complaints... I just can't though, because it doesn't even register in my game experience when I play.
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There are a ton of rave reviews about the game out there. Is it flawless? No. What game is flawless? In spite of what a few mindless fanboys say, WOW has bugs. They all have bugs and issues. As for this guy and his "clones" complaint, I just... I tried to reproduce it in the game it after I watched the video and I just didn't have time. I was too busy having fun. Don't get me wrong. The guy does have some valid complaints that will strike true for some people, but most of them don't weigh in with KOTOR fans, and a good deal of them are not true, as stated.
Part of me wishes I was a SWG fan instead of a KOTOR fan, so I could get behind all of the little "nuance" complaints... I just can't though, because it doesn't even register in my game experience when I play.
only rave reviews I see are from big companies and magizines that gave same or similar scores to warhammer online. i really don't see how you can't notice the clones they are EVERYWHERE.. you play a bounty hunter yet? the part you get your ship HOLY CRAP clone city! I mean really? clones are everywhere and worse is they used the same character creator to make all the humanoid npcs as you use to make your character. i was a HUGE KOTOR fan loved the games to death but trying to blend a MMO with this sort of storytelling to me just does not work well because of the effects in the overall world just can't happen. i feel bioware should of just made KOTOR 3 and left MMOs alone.
Alos many of those "nuance" complaints are what keep around month after month. Why go through the same worlds with alts over and over if they are bland and lifeless feeling with nothing really going on around you. To me the attention to details really shows how much a developer put into a game and how much they want people to be immersed in their gaming world.. in swtor i get no feeling of that at all and like he says in the video review "no other game I can think of was designed with such an obvious attitude of HEY WE DON'T GIVE A CRAP".
I've been ranting on about this game ever since my extensive beta experience. In general, what one experiences in beta is what they experience on the live servers. However, I broke down and decided to give it another try (because of guildmate pressure).
So I installed the game and started playing. Again, the story was pretty entertaining at first. However, after a few days, I couldn't deal with all the useless "run here, run there, come back, run here, deliver this, come back" bullcrap. Most of my playtime seemed to be just running along these boring paths.
My guildies agreed that the questing becomes boring as heck. So they had pretty much leveled up via PvP. Okay. "I'll try that."
So we queue our group for PvP. It's a beatdown. We pillaged just about every Void Star, Huttball, and Alderaan match. However, after about the 20th time, I couldn't take it anymore. Dailes / PvP / Rinse & Repeat - ugh.
I left the group and headed over to the nearest Auction House. It was flooded with players - all wearing the same Battlemaster-whatever gear. They all looked the same. They all had the same few speeders. They all had the same little pets. They all had the same titles.
My goodness. This game is honestly the worst MMO I've ever played. It's not a clone of WoW, though. Even a linear game like WoW has MUCH MORE depth than SWTOR. This game is terrible and should not be considered a MMORPG.
Even my guildies agreed that they would be long gone had it not been mildly entertaining playing with friends.
Pretty much sums it up for me.
People are saying to give BW time but I have a problem with the overall design and concept of the game: just another daily hamster grind of memorized dance steps with pointless PVP for gear. Crafting concept is interesting but has no depth and end product has no value because raid/drop stuff is better.
I'm back at EQII because of the excellent housing system and all of the other side things you can do besides raid/pvp. I want more choices in an MMO and I refuse to give in to these companies force feeding us homogenized crap.
I miss SWG - best game ever even after it was NGE'd.
I agree, I'm playing SWTOR and I miss SWG so badly. This new game is nothing compared to SWG even in it's worst manifestation.
There are a ton of rave reviews about the game out there. Is it flawless? No. What game is flawless? In spite of what a few mindless fanboys say, WOW has bugs. They all have bugs and issues. As for this guy and his "clones" complaint, I just... I tried to reproduce it in the game it after I watched the video and I just didn't have time. I was too busy having fun. Don't get me wrong. The guy does have some valid complaints that will strike true for some people, but most of them don't weigh in with KOTOR fans, and a good deal of them are not true, as stated.
Part of me wishes I was a SWG fan instead of a KOTOR fan, so I could get behind all of the little "nuance" complaints... I just can't though, because it doesn't even register in my game experience when I play.
only rave reviews I see are from big companies and magizines that gave same or similar scores to warhammer online. i really don't see how you can't notice the clones they are EVERYWHERE.. you play a bounty hunter yet? the part you get your ship HOLY CRAP clone city! I mean really? clones are everywhere and worse is they used the same character creator to make all the humanoid npcs as you use to make your character. i was a HUGE KOTOR fan loved the games to death but trying to blend a MMO with this sort of storytelling to me just does not work well because of the effects in the overall world just can't happen. i feel bioware should of just made KOTOR 3 and left MMOs alone.
Alos many of those "nuance" complaints are what keep around month after month. Why go through the same worlds with alts over and over if they are bland and lifeless feeling with nothing really going on around you. To me the attention to details really shows how much a developer put into a game and how much they want people to be immersed in their gaming world.. in swtor i get no feeling of that at all and like he says in the video review "no other game I can think of was designed with such an obvious attitude of HEY WE DON'T GIVE A CRAP".
It just doesn't feel that way to me. There are a lot of established systems that have things which they can and will improve, but I see a laid foundation with some good ground work. Sure, the hero engine is kind of garbage, which is where your clones come from. But, I really don't think SWTOR could afford to let the game fall below a certain point. I don't see them as not giving a crap. I see a company that has made a lot of hurdles to get this game where it is right now, and I see them busting it out to work through things and fix issues. I don't think I will ever agree with you and that video poster guy about it. Flaws? Yes. Don't give a crap? Highly unlikely. If we see a year go by before patch 1.3 comes out, that would be not giving a crap. Fixing bugs every single week is not my view of "we don't give a crap."
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Because you said "how have you been bashing it without ever playing it" when he said that he had already played it before... extensively
"Don't mistake a fun game for a good game... Checkers is fun to play but its not exactly the highest point of gaming design... and definatly not worth $60 plus $15 a month"
So you tried the beta and didnt like it, then you buy the game and dont like it? Are you sir a rocket scientist?
"Hi, I hate the president candidate number 5." Then comes the election day, you walk into the booth and vote for number 5. You are not supposed to buy a product that you dont like, that's also voting with your wallet, you just voted for TOR.
No... he said he played BETA extensively. Huge difference. If someone is to give feedback on a game that is out, I don't care how much they think they know from beta, it's not the same game once it goes into a live build. That aside, if the OP really did play extensively in beta, maybe he is just burnt out. I don't know of any game I could play for years in beta and then also play at launch and not be bored. I have never seen a game like that in my 30 years of gaming.
That said, I don't know why the OP is still commenting on SWTOR. Burnt out from beta? Check! Did not play live game? Check! Proceeded to comment on live game excessively without playing a live build? Check! Started playing a live build recently and was still burnt out? Check! Blames Bioware? ROFL!
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Hi, my name is Blasphim, and I like Swtor.
It all started back with the old SSI D&D games, a little taste of UO, add some Diablo, Diablo 2, Counterstrike (before there was a retail version...I miss Dust...), Lotro (when it released, I have to say that cause it's like a different game now), Hellgate (beta), Warhammer, Eve, and yes WoW. And you know what's funny, I enjoyed them all. Yes there were things about each game that I did/do not like, but each game offered me something that made me feel I had spent money well: Entertainment.
Now I realize that what is entertaining to one, is crap to another, that's the beauty of the world. I don't like Family Guy all that much, I have a friend who thinks it's the funniest thing on TV. But I don't feel the need to trash Family Guy to my friend, and he doesn't feel the need to try and convince me to watch it.
I realize that the boards are for discussion, and that every member is free to post what they wish about games (within the guidelines of course), but for the most part, the hate threads are not really prompting much discussion. Most of the, "Tor bads, i r rage, evil EA, stoopid BW, rawr!" threads are simply posted up with the goal of bashing the game, and not offering any sort of feedback or discussion.
I enjoy Tor. It is worth the money I spent, for me. It does have a lot of growing up to do, but I am a patient man. I can understand some people have issues with the game, don't like it, wish it was more like SWG, less like WoW. But please, if your going create a thread about how much you hate the game, leave off the buzzwords, and actually try and create a thread that prompts discussion, not just flame wars between fanchildren, and angryvets.
This is fun.
1. No, just people who expect games to be better than a game released 7 years previously. Lets not forget they spent hundreds of millions of pounds. That kind of money should have produced a polished cutting edge innovating product that moves the genre forward - do you think this is the case?
2. grow up.
3. grow up.
4. You dont have that right, a game released 7 years after another game should be significantly better, otherwise you would be as well playing the original as it has 7 years maturity. Seen GW2? It is 'retarded' to live with low expectations. what other games in the history of gaming have been worse than games released 7 years previously?!. missing features and poorly designed game elements is not polish btw.
Ask yourself this, if it was not Star wars would it be any good?
5. grow up
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
Because you said "how have you been bashing it without ever playing it" when he said that he had already played it before... extensively
No... he said he played BETA extensively. Huge difference. If someone is to give feedback on a game that is out, I don't care how much they think they know from beta, it's not the same game once it goes into a live build. That aside, if the OP really did play extensively in beta, maybe he is just burnt out. I don't know of any game I could play for years in beta and then also play at launch and not be bored. I have never seen a game like that in my 30 years of gaming.
That said, I don't know why the OP is still commenting on SWTOR. Burnt out from beta? Check! Did not play live game? Check! Proceeded to comment on live game excessively without playing a live build? Check! Started playing a live build recently and was still burnt out? Check! Blames Bioware? ROFL!
Umm, the game is not that different from beta. Well, except they removed the more complex mod system, removed killing your companions, removed multiple armors, removed HQ textures, etc. So yeaaaa....
BOOYAKA!
Well, I like the game.
This random dude bought two Deluxe copies of the game - one for myself and for my wife. My wife said the game sucked by level 15...I got to level 50 and realized that BW spent all of it's money on VO and forgot to add the game. Hamster wheel grinding Raids and broken PVP for gear is the same crap that's been churned out for the last 7 years
300 Mil and BW and EA couldn't even release the game with a UI you could move or other basic features you would expect from ANY new MMO. BW's answer to end game content is to roll an Alt if you're bored. LOL
Fact is SWTOR is a single player game being sold as an MMO - plain and simple. So I packed up and went back to EQ2 - an old but very solid, fun game and will be there until the "next big game" happens.
We should all expect more from these companies and you should see a trememdous drop in subs over the next couple of months when slower players start figuring out there's no game after 50 either
Currently playing SWTOR and it's MUCH better than it was at launch.
If SWTOR was so good, why do we never see any positive arguements, e.g SWTOR is amazing, look at feature X, its amazing! Instead you get those people posting, omg you must be a retard/not understand how mmos work/hater blah blah blah.
So come, if SWTOR is so good show us what is so good about it (and yes we know about VO, next)
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
It has a traditional EQ/WoW/EQ2/Rift raid endgame but its an untested poorly done very buggy endgame. I have no idea why anyone would want to bang thier heads against the wall playing ToR's endgame when there are much better and more developed versions of it in EQ2, Rift and WoW. Not to mention the audience that Tor has targetted is very casual meaning it will be very hard to sell them on any difficult endgame raiding. Very few top raiding guilds have commited to ToR and I doubt any will. They will stay in EQ2/Rift and WoW where they know the quality and difficulty of the raid content will be much superior.
What are you playing?
Could you by chance compare and contrast and not just claim there is MUCH MORE of whatever in whatever game. It would give you more credibilty.
Also fairness, By that I mean give it the same standard you judge others by. Example, WoW's launch vs ST:ToR's launch. 1 was playable, 1 you couldnt log in for days........
As far as 'They all looked the same".....well duh, other than color dyeing, thats how it goes, especially a month after launch. In ANY mmo.
But Im sure if you just keep up your 'ranting', your guildies will quit SW:TOR and go play with the ball, I mean MMO, you stomped off with.
been saying this for awhile now.. but I have seen several good video reviews highlighting many flaws people have been talking about in the game.. yet I can't find any sort of counter video review to back up anything and show how great the game is... pvp videos of this game are just awful snoozefests and even just watching someone run around the areas and fight things will put you to sleep. I'd enjoy a rebuttal video review of this review http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnPxP9Xsc94
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
Refuting that video would not be hard, considering one of the top commenters is saying most of his complaints were fixed in beta.
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what complaints were fixed during beta.. the biggest issues yuo see in this video were not fixed in any shape or form and he doesn't even get into some of the worst stuff like pvp
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
Addition of a new FP and a new Raid, dozens of bug and imbalance fixes, and the addition of FSAA... it's almost identical, only four patches later.
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I'm not patient enough to watch it again. I saw it before, and it's basically garbage. Stuff like... no ambient sound? Really? It was there for me. In one example though, he is completely and 100% wrong near the 18 min mark where he talks about the SI quest NPCs never being seen again. Dude played to his 30s and failed to mention that you will see those NPCs again and your interaction the second and third time depend on your choices in your first encounter with them. But, he dared to say the opposite, thinking it would be true. It's not.
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most the stuff you are complaining about he talks about in the thread and corrects.. but what hasn't changed is the heavily instanced/phasing of areas. The completly unispired worlds, the static mobs sitting in sets of 3 waiting to be slaughtered, the npc clones all over, the reused dialog all over, the very very vanilla classes and talent trees with no real variety, the very heavy emphasis on single player gaming in a mmo, lack of decent lfg features, dialog choices you pick not matching up with what character actual says, very blad enviornemnts, extremly boring and limited replay value due to so many overlapping quests.. could go on and on.. either way i'm still waiting to see a great video review showing me how this is the best MMO ever released.. if it was a video like that would not be hard to make..
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
You will be doing a lot of pooping by the end of this year and next year lol.
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There are a ton of rave reviews about the game out there. Is it flawless? No. What game is flawless? In spite of what a few mindless fanboys say, WOW has bugs. They all have bugs and issues. As for this guy and his "clones" complaint, I just... I tried to reproduce it in the game it after I watched the video and I just didn't have time. I was too busy having fun. Don't get me wrong. The guy does have some valid complaints that will strike true for some people, but most of them don't weigh in with KOTOR fans, and a good deal of them are not true, as stated.
Part of me wishes I was a SWG fan instead of a KOTOR fan, so I could get behind all of the little "nuance" complaints... I just can't though, because it doesn't even register in my game experience when I play.
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only rave reviews I see are from big companies and magizines that gave same or similar scores to warhammer online. i really don't see how you can't notice the clones they are EVERYWHERE.. you play a bounty hunter yet? the part you get your ship HOLY CRAP clone city! I mean really? clones are everywhere and worse is they used the same character creator to make all the humanoid npcs as you use to make your character. i was a HUGE KOTOR fan loved the games to death but trying to blend a MMO with this sort of storytelling to me just does not work well because of the effects in the overall world just can't happen. i feel bioware should of just made KOTOR 3 and left MMOs alone.
Alos many of those "nuance" complaints are what keep around month after month. Why go through the same worlds with alts over and over if they are bland and lifeless feeling with nothing really going on around you. To me the attention to details really shows how much a developer put into a game and how much they want people to be immersed in their gaming world.. in swtor i get no feeling of that at all and like he says in the video review "no other game I can think of was designed with such an obvious attitude of HEY WE DON'T GIVE A CRAP".
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
Yeah...why wait....get started now and beat the flood of mud
Currently playing SWTOR and it's MUCH better than it was at launch.
I'd put the odds that the OP actually played the game at about 5%, maybe less.
the sad part is, BW wont learn a thing. TOR is a "success" to them. theyve gotten their 200mill back, and theyre profiting. i blame it on the gamers.
I agree, I'm playing SWTOR and I miss SWG so badly. This new game is nothing compared to SWG even in it's worst manifestation.
It just doesn't feel that way to me. There are a lot of established systems that have things which they can and will improve, but I see a laid foundation with some good ground work. Sure, the hero engine is kind of garbage, which is where your clones come from. But, I really don't think SWTOR could afford to let the game fall below a certain point. I don't see them as not giving a crap. I see a company that has made a lot of hurdles to get this game where it is right now, and I see them busting it out to work through things and fix issues. I don't think I will ever agree with you and that video poster guy about it. Flaws? Yes. Don't give a crap? Highly unlikely. If we see a year go by before patch 1.3 comes out, that would be not giving a crap. Fixing bugs every single week is not my view of "we don't give a crap."
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