i will pay for WoW and pay WoW's $15 a month for 7 years and pay for all of WoW's expansion's and maybe even pay for WoW's overpriced mounts, but damnit I will NOT pay for a box with the option of spending little to nothing at my own leisure! lol
so glad i have a job and i can afford to play videogames
Originally posted by alf2ooo Reading comprehension FTW, i asked why did you try to discredit GW2 comunity, plain and simple.
Right, and i said that is an accusation not FACT. How can i give a direct response if im innocent of those accusations?
I said, and i'm going to paraphrase here: "why won't people be helpful to a non English speaking game enquirer?, I thought your community was supposed to be helpful"
"or are the rummors about it being 'bad' true?"
Im in no sinister way trying to sabotage your community, Im just saying if your a helpful community extend it to this enquirer.
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Fair enough, it sounded a bit trollish coming here just to say "hey, your community is shit"; regarding the OP, all the informations needed has been given by several users.
Originally posted by alf2ooo Reading comprehension FTW, i asked why did you try to discredit GW2 comunity, plain and simple.
Right, and i said that is an accusation not FACT. How can i give a direct response if im innocent of those accusations?
I said, and i'm going to paraphrase here: "why won't people be helpful to a non English speaking game enquirer?, I thought your community was supposed to be helpful"
"or are the rummors about it being 'bad' true?"
Im in no sinister way trying to sabotage your community, Im just saying if your a helpful community extend it to this enquirer.
saying that any specific gaming community is "bad" is just stereotyping, i'm sure after dinner you go out with your nice white walking hood, don't ya
The cash shop is the most over talked about feature in this game, it's starting to get really repetitive and annoying. Especially considering most people just make cynical assumptions about future additions to it. Blah blah blah, I get it. Some of you are worried. Cool. As far as I'm concerned, ArenaNet hasn't done anything to make you distrustful of them. For a developer that's been around for years and VERY well known for being community based, you people are seriously overreacting. To be honest, NCsoft being a publisher doesn't give you any good reason either. They barely had a hand in GW1, they'll barely have a hand in GW2. They know as well as anyone why GW1 was so successful. It was because it was community friendly. It's a laughable assumption that they would just up and decide to polarize the fan base ArenaNet has built for 7 years. Simple as that really.
By the way, it would be near impossible to make the cash shop overstuffed with what you guys would call "P2W" items. Especially considering this is a B2P. Do you people even realize that one wrong move could make people leave the game? Which means less money from the cash shop. People can stop playing the game without feeling as if they wasted years of monthly payments. All of us wouldn't feel compelled to keep playing if the cash shop gets out of wack. So there's two choices, they keep the cash shop reasonable and have bunches of players playing the game, which means good profits from the cash shop. Or, they go back on their word, fill the cash shop with P2W items that you can't get otherwise and watch half the fanbase leave the game behind without a care. It seems to me, Logic > Past MMOs in this instance.
Now, cue the cynical responses and crap rebuttals that obviously won't change what I've said.
Originally posted by sinloi always hated it when people complain about games like this having microtransactions and expansions when p2p games like wow do the same thing. i was flat out told that the spectral mounts and mini pets for sale on wow do not count as micro transactions yet some how a new no stat outfit is pay to win in another game
That's a great name for a guild. Or maybe even a band.
Originally posted by Voiidiin Anyone else amazed at how many lazy people there are that post about GW2 ?
There is a new thread almost every hour now created by someone who cannot be bothered to even look at the gw2.com faq.
Let alone take a few minutes to read about the game they think they know.
Ignorance is bliss right ?
The person doesn't have English as his or fist language, Yet Comes to a community they feel comfortable with to ask a question or voice an opinion only to be mocked by said community that should be helping people.
Or are the rumours about bad gw2 communities that true?
It's not gw2 "communities", it's just certain sites. If you look at sites that are devoted to GW2, like guildwars2guru.com for instance, there are plenty of criticisms about GW2 posted there and very few mocking/bashing posts. The difference is on this site people who post criticisms typically are trolling and/or have an agenda (they're here for info on another game and hop onto the GW2 forums just to stir the pot), whereas on that site it's a legitimate question/concern because they wouldn't even be on that site if they weren't interested in GW2.
Originally posted by Voiidiin Anyone else amazed at how many lazy people there are that post about GW2 ? There is a new thread almost every hour now created by someone who cannot be bothered to even look at the gw2.com faq.Let alone take a few minutes to read about the game they think they know.Ignorance is bliss right ?
The person doesn't have English as his or fist language, Yet Comes to a community they feel comfortable with to ask a question or voice an opinion only to be mocked by said community that should be helping people. Or are the rumours about bad gw2 communities that true?
It's not gw2 "communities", it's just certain sites. If you look at sites that are devoted to GW2, like guildwars2guru.com for instance, there are plenty of criticisms about GW2 posted there and very few mocking/bashing posts. The difference is on this site people who post criticisms typically are trolling and/or have an agenda (they're here for info on another game and hop onto the GW2 forums just to stir the pot), whereas on that site it's a legitimate question/concern because they wouldn't even be on that site if they weren't interested in GW2.
You can see why i replied to the first poster tho? Referring the guy to an English speaking faq which by the looks of his first post he may not be all up to scratch with, And maybe posting here he felt abit more comfortable because its multicultural?
Sorry, I'm just very strong in my option that game communities should be strong in helping people, rather than turning them away.
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You seem to be forgetting that someone actually needs to pay with real dollars before you can buy the gems. As money does not seem to be a problem to get I doubt the market for gems will be to big, unless there is a big money drain down the line. I expect you have to pay quite a lot of gold for the gems.
I don't know where people got this from in the first place but it's totally incorrect. The rate of gold -> gems or gems -> gold affects the 'price'.. not the availability.
Players do NOT sell each other gems and/or gold. It all goes into the system.
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
You seem to be forgetting that someone actually needs to pay with real dollars before you can buy the gems. As money does not seem to be a problem to get I doubt the market for gems will be to big, unless there is a big money drain down the line. I expect you have to pay quite a lot of gold for the gems.
I don't know where people got this from in the first place but it's totally incorrect. The rate of gold -> gems or gems -> gold affects the 'price'.. not the availability.
Players do NOT sell each other gems and/or gold. It all goes into the system.
Maybe i misunderstand what youa re saying, but no. Pleayers DO sell eachother gold/gems.
It works like this. There is a tab in the Trading post for currency exchange. You have gems. You put an offer of say "100 gems for 20 gold". Some other guy wants to buy gems. He opens trading post currency exchange tab and sees all the various offers. He picks yours, pays the gold gets the gems, you get the gold. Fee (not sure who pays it, buyer or seller) vainshes in the void.
As for gold drains : WvWvW, repairs, vanity stuff sold on trading post (dyes, minis, fancy looking gear), crafting materials (you do need craptons of those to craft anything), guild influence.
Originally posted by Voiidiin Anyone else amazed at how many lazy people there are that post about GW2 ? There is a new thread almost every hour now created by someone who cannot be bothered to even look at the gw2.com faq.Let alone take a few minutes to read about the game they think they know.Ignorance is bliss right ?
The person doesn't have English as his or fist language, Yet Comes to a community they feel comfortable with to ask a question or voice an opinion only to be mocked by said community that should be helping people. Or are the rumours about bad gw2 communities that true?
It's not gw2 "communities", it's just certain sites. If you look at sites that are devoted to GW2, like guildwars2guru.com for instance, there are plenty of criticisms about GW2 posted there and very few mocking/bashing posts. The difference is on this site people who post criticisms typically are trolling and/or have an agenda (they're here for info on another game and hop onto the GW2 forums just to stir the pot), whereas on that site it's a legitimate question/concern because they wouldn't even be on that site if they weren't interested in GW2.
You can see why i replied to the first poster tho? Referring the guy to an English speaking faq which by the looks of his first post he may not be all up to scratch with, And maybe posting here he felt abit more comfortable because its multicultural?
Sorry, I'm just very strong in my option that game communities should be strong in helping people, rather than turning them away.
I agree, but this isn't a GW2 community site. It's a catchall of people from one extreme mindset to the other and everything in between. Not defending the bashing/mocking, but it really gets old when people jump into a game forum with no real interest in it but are just trying to get a rise out of the people who like that particular game.
Sorry, I'm just very strong in my option that game communities should be strong in helping people, rather than turning them away.
Our biggest problem is Action Reporters greeting each new arrival with a pronouncement of doooom!'
That's a friendly greeting, right? If not, we've been doing it wrong for years...
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Sorry, I'm just very strong in my option that game communities should be strong in helping people, rather than turning them away.
Our biggest problem is Action Reporters greeting each new arrival with a pronouncement of doooom!'
That's a friendly greeting, right? If not, we've been doing it wrong for years...
^ This
Everytime I come to these forums I primarily see subject headings that feel like a news channel 8 special.
"Is mercury in your child's baby food? We'll give you the brands to watch for tomorrow at 11"
and most of these posts can basically be summed up as such...
"I am worried I wont like this game because it lacks {insert feature commonly seen in wow here}, Will I like this game?
this is generally followed immediatly by fairly helpful posts saying:
"well this game is completely different from wow and this feature is technically not in it, but we have something very similar and we think if you give it a chance you might agree it is better"
That is then followed by
"well it's not better and if this is how things will be then this game will be dead in {insert very short time frame here}."
Usually followed by the neccesity for Anet to change it before launch or soon after launch.
Then what happens is the arguing begins over whose opinion is more valid, inevitably this leads to both sides assuming that the other side is infringing on the the first's ability to have an opinion simply because the second has an opinion of their own.
And this inevitably leads to trolling.
So really the people saying "if you dont think you'll like it at all simply becuase of {insert gw2 feature here} you might want to move along." are actually the ones making the most sense.
If you dont like bananas dont eat a banana, but do not run up to anyone eating an apple and say I demand that apple change to a banana, you'll just annoy the apple eaters.
[The opinions of sinloi in regards to apples and bananas are entirely his own and do not represent the opinions of MMORPG.COM, Arena Net, NC Soft, or President Barak Obama.]
Maybe i misunderstand what youa re saying, but no. Pleayers DO sell eachother gold/gems.
It works like this. There is a tab in the Trading post for currency exchange. You have gems. You put an offer of say "100 gems for 20 gold". Some other guy wants to buy gems. He opens trading post currency exchange tab and sees all the various offers. He picks yours, pays the gold gets the gems, you get the gold. Fee (not sure who pays it, buyer or seller) vainshes in the void.
A lot of people have got this wrong.
That isn't how it works for gems and gold... thats how it works for items. Buying gems or gold is automatic, you don't choose a buyer or choose from a list. You get an exchange based on a demand system. More people buy gold with gems, the cheaper gems are and the more expensive gold is. More people buy gems with gold the cheaper gold gets and the more expensive gems get. Push and pull.
I've done it in every beta weekend it was available, this is 100% how it works. This is what the exchange screens look like, no sellers, no list. The layout has differed slightly in different beta weekends. This is all there is, plus some market history analysis things underneath each one:
The full thing looks like this:
We have no direct control over the prices and, as of right now, there is no evidence or official comments suggesting that we will ever see the 'There are no gems available to buy' screen.. because from what we've seen and heard it doesn't exist.
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
That isn't how it works for gems and gold... thats how it works for items. Buying gems or gold is automatic, you don't choose a buyer or choose from a list. You get an exchange based on a demand system. More people buy gold with gems, the cheaper gems are and the more expensive gold is. More people buy gems with gold the cheaper gold gets and the more expensive gems get. Push and pull.
We have no direct control over the prices and, as of right now, there is no evidence or official comments suggesting that we will ever see the 'There are no gems available to buy' screen.. because from what we've seen and heard it doesn't exist.
If I understand it correctly, if no one bought gems with real money, would I still be able to buy gems with gold?
That isn't how it works for gems and gold... thats how it works for items. Buying gems or gold is automatic, you don't choose a buyer or choose from a list. You get an exchange based on a demand system. More people buy gold with gems, the cheaper gems are and the more expensive gold is. More people buy gems with gold the cheaper gold gets and the more expensive gems get. Push and pull.
We have no direct control over the prices and, as of right now, there is no evidence or official comments suggesting that we will ever see the 'There are no gems available to buy' screen.. because from what we've seen and heard it doesn't exist.
If I understand it correctly, if no one bought gems with real money, would I still be able to buy gems with gold?
As far as we know, yes. But the exchange rate wouldn't be good. It would cost a lot more gold to buy gems.
Whether the exchange rate is affected by people buying gems with real money, exchanging gems for gold or both isn't confirmed. From what I've seen it's only the gems to gold exchange that affects the rates and not the real gems sales.
So.. if tons were buying gems with real money but no one exchanged those gems for gold then the price for gems will stay high. That isn't 100% confirmed though.
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
Most subscription games charge you for expansion packs as well.
So I'm not buying your arguement that GW2 has a hidden sub-fee in the form of expansion pack cost.
While I do plan on spending a grand total of $50 in the cash shop, I still find that I really don't need to use it for anything. Just additional character slots and minipets...
"As you read these words, a release is seven days or less away or has just happened within the last seven days those are now the only two states youll find the world of Tyria."...Guild Wars 2
How about lets say that they do add P2W items 3 month down the line, Guess what, you still only pay for the box price of the game.
I paid for SWTOR box price plus 2 month of subscription and it will still be 30 dollars more than I paid for GW2 if i quit GW2 after 3 month.
Guess what, I can still go back to GW2 when I am bored out of my mind and still play it for nothing out of pocket.
Guess what, even with P2W that drove me away from GW2, I will still only paid for the box price.
So really, whats all the argument about???
Every single MMO that I know of have expansions you need to buy, and after playing 3 BWE, I have not once ran out of inventory space. But you will at level 80 right, guess what, your bag sizes also gets bigger the higher level you go, especially crafting.
And if everyone is so concerned about that 1 gamer that will buy the Gems who is not themselves, then I don't know what to say anymore. Because you aren't paying for anything, but you are concerned about others that pay for stuff.
Life is a Maze, so make sure you bring your GPS incase you get lost in it.
Sure but we are guaranteed to get content for that price, instead of paying and hoping for content. Besides you didn't have to buy the exp packs in GW1.
Do you people just repeat what you have heard the industry mouthpieces bleat out?
Already this shop has nothing to do with GW1's, it is already a lot heavier. They even changed the wording in their FAQ to allow it to be.
I love the game, I have pre purchased and will be playing, but the cash shop IS a worry right now. Especially with all the eyes of NCSoft on it to deliver them into profit.
I am ok with things as they are right *now*, mainly because I can seemingly play to achieve for whatever is in the shop, but I am watching things closely.
Whether or not NCSoft's eyes are on the cash shop, it does not matter. Anet would splinter from NCSoft before letting them do anything of a less desireable nature with the CS (and NCSoft has not once tried to do something such as this). Anet is STILL working solely from the profit they earned from GW1 sales and microtransactions. All their sales in pre-purchase, etc are pure profit. They took no loans to produce GW2, no interest to pay off. This is one of the reasons NCSoft has always let Anet do whatever they want, because they know they are making so much money from their intelligence.
Like GW 1 an Add-on will come every 6month so 60$ /6 = 10$ a month
Add-on in guild war universe are importance if you haven't you will be forgoten by all new content ..
Just my opinion
And sorry for my bad english i'm french
Oh my god I hope so! New areas! New Professions! and I can pick the ones I want and disregard the rest?!
....and no this is not going to happen, but I hope it does. I would love to keep rewarding Anet for such great content and get cool stuff all at once. As it is Im going to have to buy stuff from the cash shop I don't really want just to prove Im not stealing from them.....
4 $104.96 $69.99 (we'll say you decided to purchase something from the cash shop)
5 $119.96 $69.99
[...]
11 $209.96 $79.99 (we'll say you decided to purchase something from the cash shop)
Say expansion pack for GW2 comes out at month 12, as ArenaNet stated they weren't doing 6 months anymore. It's priced at a full game price: $59.99
12 $224.96 $139.98
Let's say you decided to purchase a mount in WoW ($25), and purchase a server change in GW2 ($25)
13 $264.96 $164.98
14 $279.98 $164.98
After 14 months, giving both games leeway to purchase something from the cashshop, server transfer, etc. WoW will probably come out with a new expansion around 20 month mark, which will be priced at $39.99.
We'll say that somewhere between month 14-20, ArenaNet released some sort of DLC akin to the bonus mission pack in GW1, and we'll say it costs $15, but you also purchased something else from the cash shop too
20 $409.97 $189.98
Even after allowing $25 for WoW cash shop, and $70 for GW2 cash shop and an expansion pack each, GW2 still comes out $219.99 less (excluding any taxes for each game).
Guild Wars 2 is still cheaper by: $168.79 under the same conditions, but with a different subscription plan.
It's actually quite simple math. Assuming you don't spend any money in the cash over your GW2/WoW career, and assuming WoW doesn't release an expansion pack, 1 years worth of WoW is 3 times more expensive thatn GW2.
Will there be people who spend $15 a month in GW2 cash shop? Of course. Will there be people who spend nothing in GW2 cash shop, of course. I think many people will spend some amount in the cash shop, but nothing to where it's equivalent of $15 a month. I thought $70 in the cash shop over a 20 month period seemed reasonable for the average person. Even if you bumped it up to $100 over a 20 month period, Guild Wars 2 is STILL cheaper.
Like GW 1 an Add-on will come every 6month so 60$ /6 = 10$ a month
Add-on in guild war universe are importance if you haven't you will be forgoten by all new content ..
Just my opinion
And sorry for my bad english i'm french
Yes, but almost all B2P and P2P computer games sell expansions, including Wow and singleplayer games like CIV5.
But your mathemathics is a bit weird. I played GW1 5 1/2 years. Bought the main game ($50). Nightfall CE ($60), Factions ($40) and GW:EN ($40). that is totally $210. for 60 months which is under 5 bucks a month.
And unlike in P2P you don´t have to pay exactly when something comes out, you can just play the original campaign and ignore all the extra junk if you so choose. And you can certainly avoid some expansions you don´t like, I know many GW players that never gotten Factions, and while they miss the access to some skills it is no biggie.
For Wow you buy the main game, the expansions and pay monthly fees, for GW2 you just buy the game and expansions.
So it is not free, but noone said that but it will be a lot cheaper than P2P anyways. F2P is initially cheaper though, but it tends to become most expensive of all if you want to play endgame, that is the reason so many games convert now and that EA and Activision think all their games (none MMOs as well) will be F2P in 5 years. They are not doing that to be nice but to earn more money.
Originally posted by Voiidiin Anyone else amazed at how many lazy people there are that post about GW2 ?
There is a new thread almost every hour now created by someone who cannot be bothered to even look at the gw2.com faq.
Let alone take a few minutes to read about the game they think they know.
Ignorance is bliss right ?
The person doesn't have English as his or fist language, Yet Comes to a community they feel comfortable with to ask a question or voice an opinion only to be mocked by said community that should be helping people.
Or are the rumours about bad gw2 communities that true?
Actually he didn't come to the GW2 community ...he was put in here .I would assume the op would be more comfortable in TSW forums though because there fact doesn't get in the way of having an opinion
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i will pay for WoW and pay WoW's $15 a month for 7 years and pay for all of WoW's expansion's and maybe even pay for WoW's overpriced mounts, but damnit I will NOT pay for a box with the option of spending little to nothing at my own leisure! lol
so glad i have a job and i can afford to play videogames
Right, and i said that is an accusation not FACT. How can i give a direct response if im innocent of those accusations?
I said, and i'm going to paraphrase here: "why won't people be helpful to a non English speaking game enquirer?, I thought your community was supposed to be helpful"
"or are the rummors about it being 'bad' true?"
Im in no sinister way trying to sabotage your community, Im just saying if your a helpful community extend it to this enquirer.
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saying that any specific gaming community is "bad" is just stereotyping, i'm sure after dinner you go out with your nice white walking hood, don't ya
The cash shop is the most over talked about feature in this game, it's starting to get really repetitive and annoying. Especially considering most people just make cynical assumptions about future additions to it. Blah blah blah, I get it. Some of you are worried. Cool. As far as I'm concerned, ArenaNet hasn't done anything to make you distrustful of them. For a developer that's been around for years and VERY well known for being community based, you people are seriously overreacting. To be honest, NCsoft being a publisher doesn't give you any good reason either. They barely had a hand in GW1, they'll barely have a hand in GW2. They know as well as anyone why GW1 was so successful. It was because it was community friendly. It's a laughable assumption that they would just up and decide to polarize the fan base ArenaNet has built for 7 years. Simple as that really.
By the way, it would be near impossible to make the cash shop overstuffed with what you guys would call "P2W" items. Especially considering this is a B2P. Do you people even realize that one wrong move could make people leave the game? Which means less money from the cash shop. People can stop playing the game without feeling as if they wasted years of monthly payments. All of us wouldn't feel compelled to keep playing if the cash shop gets out of wack. So there's two choices, they keep the cash shop reasonable and have bunches of players playing the game, which means good profits from the cash shop. Or, they go back on their word, fill the cash shop with P2W items that you can't get otherwise and watch half the fanbase leave the game behind without a care. It seems to me, Logic > Past MMOs in this instance.
Now, cue the cynical responses and crap rebuttals that obviously won't change what I've said.
That's a great name for a guild. Or maybe even a band.
It's not gw2 "communities", it's just certain sites. If you look at sites that are devoted to GW2, like guildwars2guru.com for instance, there are plenty of criticisms about GW2 posted there and very few mocking/bashing posts. The difference is on this site people who post criticisms typically are trolling and/or have an agenda (they're here for info on another game and hop onto the GW2 forums just to stir the pot), whereas on that site it's a legitimate question/concern because they wouldn't even be on that site if they weren't interested in GW2.
You can see why i replied to the first poster tho? Referring the guy to an English speaking faq which by the looks of his first post he may not be all up to scratch with, And maybe posting here he felt abit more comfortable because its multicultural?
Sorry, I'm just very strong in my option that game communities should be strong in helping people, rather than turning them away.
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I don't know where people got this from in the first place but it's totally incorrect. The rate of gold -> gems or gems -> gold affects the 'price'.. not the availability.
Players do NOT sell each other gems and/or gold. It all goes into the system.
Maybe i misunderstand what youa re saying, but no. Pleayers DO sell eachother gold/gems.
It works like this. There is a tab in the Trading post for currency exchange. You have gems. You put an offer of say "100 gems for 20 gold". Some other guy wants to buy gems. He opens trading post currency exchange tab and sees all the various offers. He picks yours, pays the gold gets the gems, you get the gold. Fee (not sure who pays it, buyer or seller) vainshes in the void.
As for gold drains : WvWvW, repairs, vanity stuff sold on trading post (dyes, minis, fancy looking gear), crafting materials (you do need craptons of those to craft anything), guild influence.
I agree, but this isn't a GW2 community site. It's a catchall of people from one extreme mindset to the other and everything in between. Not defending the bashing/mocking, but it really gets old when people jump into a game forum with no real interest in it but are just trying to get a rise out of the people who like that particular game.
Our biggest problem is Action Reporters greeting each new arrival with a pronouncement of doooom!'
That's a friendly greeting, right? If not, we've been doing it wrong for years...Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
^ This
Everytime I come to these forums I primarily see subject headings that feel like a news channel 8 special.
"Is mercury in your child's baby food? We'll give you the brands to watch for tomorrow at 11"
and most of these posts can basically be summed up as such...
"I am worried I wont like this game because it lacks {insert feature commonly seen in wow here}, Will I like this game?
this is generally followed immediatly by fairly helpful posts saying:
"well this game is completely different from wow and this feature is technically not in it, but we have something very similar and we think if you give it a chance you might agree it is better"
That is then followed by
"well it's not better and if this is how things will be then this game will be dead in {insert very short time frame here}."
Usually followed by the neccesity for Anet to change it before launch or soon after launch.
Then what happens is the arguing begins over whose opinion is more valid, inevitably this leads to both sides assuming that the other side is infringing on the the first's ability to have an opinion simply because the second has an opinion of their own.
And this inevitably leads to trolling.
So really the people saying "if you dont think you'll like it at all simply becuase of {insert gw2 feature here} you might want to move along." are actually the ones making the most sense.
If you dont like bananas dont eat a banana, but do not run up to anyone eating an apple and say I demand that apple change to a banana, you'll just annoy the apple eaters.
[The opinions of sinloi in regards to apples and bananas are entirely his own and do not represent the opinions of MMORPG.COM, Arena Net, NC Soft, or President Barak Obama.]
A lot of people have got this wrong.
That isn't how it works for gems and gold... thats how it works for items. Buying gems or gold is automatic, you don't choose a buyer or choose from a list. You get an exchange based on a demand system. More people buy gold with gems, the cheaper gems are and the more expensive gold is. More people buy gems with gold the cheaper gold gets and the more expensive gems get. Push and pull.
I've done it in every beta weekend it was available, this is 100% how it works. This is what the exchange screens look like, no sellers, no list. The layout has differed slightly in different beta weekends. This is all there is, plus some market history analysis things underneath each one:
The full thing looks like this:
We have no direct control over the prices and, as of right now, there is no evidence or official comments suggesting that we will ever see the 'There are no gems available to buy' screen.. because from what we've seen and heard it doesn't exist.
If I understand it correctly, if no one bought gems with real money, would I still be able to buy gems with gold?
As far as we know, yes. But the exchange rate wouldn't be good. It would cost a lot more gold to buy gems.
Whether the exchange rate is affected by people buying gems with real money, exchanging gems for gold or both isn't confirmed. From what I've seen it's only the gems to gold exchange that affects the rates and not the real gems sales.
So.. if tons were buying gems with real money but no one exchanged those gems for gold then the price for gems will stay high. That isn't 100% confirmed though.
Guild wars 1 had one expansion the other two were stand alone games that you didn't have to buy.
Most subscription games charge you for expansion packs as well.
So I'm not buying your arguement that GW2 has a hidden sub-fee in the form of expansion pack cost.
While I do plan on spending a grand total of $50 in the cash shop, I still find that I really don't need to use it for anything. Just additional character slots and minipets...
"As you read these words, a release is seven days or less away or has just happened within the last seven days those are now the only two states youll find the world of Tyria."...Guild Wars 2
I don't really get the concern.
Since its all just guessing games right now,
How about lets say that they do add P2W items 3 month down the line, Guess what, you still only pay for the box price of the game.
I paid for SWTOR box price plus 2 month of subscription and it will still be 30 dollars more than I paid for GW2 if i quit GW2 after 3 month.
Guess what, I can still go back to GW2 when I am bored out of my mind and still play it for nothing out of pocket.
Guess what, even with P2W that drove me away from GW2, I will still only paid for the box price.
So really, whats all the argument about???
Every single MMO that I know of have expansions you need to buy, and after playing 3 BWE, I have not once ran out of inventory space. But you will at level 80 right, guess what, your bag sizes also gets bigger the higher level you go, especially crafting.
And if everyone is so concerned about that 1 gamer that will buy the Gems who is not themselves, then I don't know what to say anymore. Because you aren't paying for anything, but you are concerned about others that pay for stuff.
Life is a Maze, so make sure you bring your GPS incase you get lost in it.
Whether or not NCSoft's eyes are on the cash shop, it does not matter. Anet would splinter from NCSoft before letting them do anything of a less desireable nature with the CS (and NCSoft has not once tried to do something such as this). Anet is STILL working solely from the profit they earned from GW1 sales and microtransactions. All their sales in pre-purchase, etc are pure profit. They took no loans to produce GW2, no interest to pay off. This is one of the reasons NCSoft has always let Anet do whatever they want, because they know they are making so much money from their intelligence.
Oh my god I hope so! New areas! New Professions! and I can pick the ones I want and disregard the rest?!
....and no this is not going to happen, but I hope it does. I would love to keep rewarding Anet for such great content and get cool stuff all at once. As it is Im going to have to buy stuff from the cash shop I don't really want just to prove Im not stealing from them.....
Lets do some math!
Lets take World of Warcraft, as that's still widely considered the king of MMOs.
WoW battle chest (Vanilla + TBC) -- $4.99
WotLK -- $4.99
Cataclysm -- $9.99
MoP (standard edition) -- $39.99
Total spent so far: $59.96 (excluding any tax).
Included in cost: 1 month WoW subscription
After 1 month: $15 subscription cost
Guild Wars 2 at this point: $59.99 (excluding taxes, standard edition)
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Month WoW Cost Guild Wars 2 Cost
1 $59.96 $59.99
2 $74.96 $59.99
3 $89.96 $59.99
4 $104.96 $69.99 (we'll say you decided to purchase something from the cash shop)
5 $119.96 $69.99
[...]
11 $209.96 $79.99 (we'll say you decided to purchase something from the cash shop)
Say expansion pack for GW2 comes out at month 12, as ArenaNet stated they weren't doing 6 months anymore. It's priced at a full game price: $59.99
12 $224.96 $139.98
Let's say you decided to purchase a mount in WoW ($25), and purchase a server change in GW2 ($25)
13 $264.96 $164.98
14 $279.98 $164.98
After 14 months, giving both games leeway to purchase something from the cashshop, server transfer, etc. WoW will probably come out with a new expansion around 20 month mark, which will be priced at $39.99.
We'll say that somewhere between month 14-20, ArenaNet released some sort of DLC akin to the bonus mission pack in GW1, and we'll say it costs $15, but you also purchased something else from the cash shop too
20 $409.97 $189.98
Even after allowing $25 for WoW cash shop, and $70 for GW2 cash shop and an expansion pack each, GW2 still comes out $219.99 less (excluding any taxes for each game).
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Let's say you invest in the 6-month sub for WoW:
Month WoW cost Guild Wars 2 Cost
1 59.96 59.99
2-7 137.90 69.99 (Again we'll say you spent money in the cash shop)
8-14 215.84 139.98 (Cash shop + 1 expansion at 59.99)
15-21 358.77 (+$25 CS + exp) 189.98 ($10 Cash shop + $15 DLC + Random $25 purchase)
Guild Wars 2 is still cheaper by: $168.79 under the same conditions, but with a different subscription plan.
It's actually quite simple math. Assuming you don't spend any money in the cash over your GW2/WoW career, and assuming WoW doesn't release an expansion pack, 1 years worth of WoW is 3 times more expensive thatn GW2.
Will there be people who spend $15 a month in GW2 cash shop? Of course. Will there be people who spend nothing in GW2 cash shop, of course. I think many people will spend some amount in the cash shop, but nothing to where it's equivalent of $15 a month. I thought $70 in the cash shop over a 20 month period seemed reasonable for the average person. Even if you bumped it up to $100 over a 20 month period, Guild Wars 2 is STILL cheaper.
Yes, but almost all B2P and P2P computer games sell expansions, including Wow and singleplayer games like CIV5.
But your mathemathics is a bit weird. I played GW1 5 1/2 years. Bought the main game ($50). Nightfall CE ($60), Factions ($40) and GW:EN ($40). that is totally $210. for 60 months which is under 5 bucks a month.
And unlike in P2P you don´t have to pay exactly when something comes out, you can just play the original campaign and ignore all the extra junk if you so choose. And you can certainly avoid some expansions you don´t like, I know many GW players that never gotten Factions, and while they miss the access to some skills it is no biggie.
For Wow you buy the main game, the expansions and pay monthly fees, for GW2 you just buy the game and expansions.
So it is not free, but noone said that but it will be a lot cheaper than P2P anyways. F2P is initially cheaper though, but it tends to become most expensive of all if you want to play endgame, that is the reason so many games convert now and that EA and Activision think all their games (none MMOs as well) will be F2P in 5 years. They are not doing that to be nice but to earn more money.
Actually he didn't come to the GW2 community ...he was put in here .I would assume the op would be more comfortable in TSW forums though because there fact doesn't get in the way of having an opinion