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  • AmjocoAmjoco Member UncommonPosts: 4,860
    Originally posted by Xarnthal
    Originally posted by lathaan

    bye bye i guess?

    or was it a question?

    no idea what you want to tell us (the millions who love the game).

     

    oh and yes: you're wrong ;)

    I agree with the guy. The game is pretty boring, it's really repetitive.  WvWvW is the one redeeming quality and it's just not as good as other games.

    I've an 80 and a 62 but I am bored for the most part now.

    How many hours do you have in the game? I am amazed at how you guys can play that much and not lose interest, it isn't healthy.

    If you quit what will you do with your life?

    Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.

  • just1opinionjust1opinion Member UncommonPosts: 4,641

    LOL @ another "I'm leaving" post.  And so?

     

    Furthermore, not logging in for TWO days caused this?  WTF?  I don't play for THREE days sometimes and I'm still enjoying the game and playing it.  Not that you SHOULD enjoy the game or play it.....I really couldn't care less if you do or not.  It's just that not playing a game for two days is a healthy break, not a tragedy.  (in my opinion)

     

     

    President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club

  • BadaboomBadaboom Member UncommonPosts: 2,380
    Originally posted by Amjoco
    Originally posted by Xarnthal
    Originally posted by lathaan

    bye bye i guess?

    or was it a question?

    no idea what you want to tell us (the millions who love the game).

     

    oh and yes: you're wrong ;)

    I agree with the guy. The game is pretty boring, it's really repetitive.  WvWvW is the one redeeming quality and it's just not as good as other games.

    I've an 80 and a 62 but I am bored for the most part now.

    How many hours do you have in the game? I am amazed at how you guys can play that much and not lose interest, it isn't healthy.

    If you quit what will you do with your life?

    No doubt.  It will probably take me 6 months to get to the amount of hours he put in.  Currently level 46 with out 55 hours put in with 28-29% map completion.

  • AmjocoAmjoco Member UncommonPosts: 4,860
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Amjoco
    Originally posted by Medicated03
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by lathaan

    --the stuff that kicked off this discussion--

    --my previous stuff--

    --someone else's stuff--

    --my stuff--

    --his stuff--

    Very good, but you said really nothing new that hasn't been said  over and over before. Instead of disecting GW2, why don't you guys give titles that we can go to play right now that would be better.  Suggest something you folks that lose interest fast that is acceptable to play, so we can all enjoy them.

     

    Now come on....

    You know damned well what is going to happen if someone does follow through on this suggestion.

    Yes, I actually do have an answer, I do have a game, I've been playing for a year or so and will continue to play. It not a secret, but I'm deliberately not naming it here because we all know what will follow.

    hmmm, I guess you are thinking that the immature GW2 fans will go to that forum leaving only the immature haters here?

    That was not my intention. This is an mmorpg discussion forum and folks have forgotten that. They are now all about hating on other games in other forums. Sharing ideas would be much more beneficial than tearing titles apart. /shrug

     

    Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.

  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,857
    Originally posted by TruthXHurts
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Amjoco
    Originally posted by Medicated03
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by lathaan

    --the stuff that kicked off this discussion--

    --my previous stuff--

    --someone else's stuff--

    --my stuff--

    --his stuff--

    Very good, but you said really nothing new that hasn't been said  over and over before. Instead of disecting GW2, why don't you guys give titles that we can go to play right now that would be better.  Suggest something you folks that lose interest fast that is acceptable to play, so we can all enjoy them.

     

    Now come on....

    You know damned well what is going to happen if someone does follow through on this suggestion.

    Yes, I actually do have an answer, I do have a game, I've been playing for a year or so and will continue to play. It not a secret, but I'm deliberately not naming it here because we all know what will follow.

    Is that because the game sucks and you don't want the public emberrassment of admitting that you play it?

    Thank you for making my point.

  • TruthXHurtsTruthXHurts Member UncommonPosts: 1,555
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by TruthXHurts
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Amjoco
    Originally posted by Medicated03
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by lathaan

    --the stuff that kicked off this discussion--

    --my previous stuff--

    --someone else's stuff--

    --my stuff--

    --his stuff--

    Very good, but you said really nothing new that hasn't been said  over and over before. Instead of disecting GW2, why don't you guys give titles that we can go to play right now that would be better.  Suggest something you folks that lose interest fast that is acceptable to play, so we can all enjoy them.

     

    Now come on....

    You know damned well what is going to happen if someone does follow through on this suggestion.

    Yes, I actually do have an answer, I do have a game, I've been playing for a year or so and will continue to play. It not a secret, but I'm deliberately not naming it here because we all know what will follow.

    Is that because the game sucks and you don't want the public emberrassment of admitting that you play it?

    Thank you for making my point.

    So that's a yes then? Grow some Huevos and support the games you like. No matter the backlash. What do you care? Do comments about the game you love so much hurt yoru feelings? I love crappy independent games with graphics that make the NES look like next gen. Know what I don't care waht anyone says because I know they are great games that offer more than a carrot on a stick. If you like good games try some independents and stop waiting for these lowest common denomniator AAA companies to produce somethign good. They will continue to piss on your leg and tell you that it is raining.

    "I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"

  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,857
    Originally posted by Amjoco
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Amjoco
    Originally posted by Medicated03
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by lathaan

    --the stuff that kicked off this discussion--

    --my previous stuff--

    --someone else's stuff--

    --my stuff--

    --his stuff--

    Very good, but you said really nothing new that hasn't been said  over and over before. Instead of disecting GW2, why don't you guys give titles that we can go to play right now that would be better.  Suggest something you folks that lose interest fast that is acceptable to play, so we can all enjoy them.

     

    Now come on....

    You know damned well what is going to happen if someone does follow through on this suggestion.

    Yes, I actually do have an answer, I do have a game, I've been playing for a year or so and will continue to play. It not a secret, but I'm deliberately not naming it here because we all know what will follow.

    hmmm, I guess you are thinking that the immature GW2 fans will go to that forum leaving only the immature haters here?

    That was not my intention. This is an mmorpg discussion forum and folks have forgotten that. They are now all about hating on other games in other forums. Sharing ideas would be much more beneficial than tearing titles apart. /shrug

     

    It's not YOUR intentions I was concerned about, but take a look at the posts inbetween ours here. it didn't take long for my point to be justified. You can thank your fellow GW2 fans for proving my point.

  • TruthXHurtsTruthXHurts Member UncommonPosts: 1,555
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Amjoco
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Amjoco
    Originally posted by Medicated03
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by lathaan

    --the stuff that kicked off this discussion--

    --my previous stuff--

    --someone else's stuff--

    --my stuff--

    --his stuff--

    Very good, but you said really nothing new that hasn't been said  over and over before. Instead of disecting GW2, why don't you guys give titles that we can go to play right now that would be better.  Suggest something you folks that lose interest fast that is acceptable to play, so we can all enjoy them.

     

    Now come on....

    You know damned well what is going to happen if someone does follow through on this suggestion.

    Yes, I actually do have an answer, I do have a game, I've been playing for a year or so and will continue to play. It not a secret, but I'm deliberately not naming it here because we all know what will follow.

    hmmm, I guess you are thinking that the immature GW2 fans will go to that forum leaving only the immature haters here?

    That was not my intention. This is an mmorpg discussion forum and folks have forgotten that. They are now all about hating on other games in other forums. Sharing ideas would be much more beneficial than tearing titles apart. /shrug

     

    It's not YOUR intentions I was concerned about, but take a look, it didn't take long for my point to be justified. You can thank your fellow GW2 fans for proving my point.

    I've never played GW2 so you assume to much, and you know what you do when you assume right?

    "I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"

  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    Originally posted by The_Korrigan
     

    Yeah, thankfully the officlal forums are open now. This forum could be good though, if the negative nancies who bash the game since beta would be removed. If I was a mod, I would simply look at the usual negative poster's post histories. People only posting negative stuff on a specific game's forum are obviously on a crusade, and should be sent to forums where they can be helpful instead of nuisances.

    Sorry, but when someone posts negative stuff before the game's release for MONTHS, even saying he won't buy it (yes, the OP did say that), then supposedly buys it at release (something we don't have a proof of by the way) only to bash it more, then please don't tell me that person is even remotely useful to this community. That person is obviously on an agenda, maybe bored at work, or whatever else, and finds some enjoyment in peeing in other people's cheerios, as the expression says.

    But whatever... I guess some people just never understand this concept.

    Go on, report away, I don't care... fact is, people who really act maturely don't post on forums of games they dislike, and definitely don't buy games they said for 6+ months they would not buy. The agenda is obvious, and the pollution of this forum will continue. You can bet those specific people will still be here posting months after they stopped playing GW2, just for the fun of "stirring the pot".

    since you missed this reply to your other post I will put it here.

     

    "Your overreacting a lot man. Since I started playing, I've never said the game was bad. It is lacking in some basic rpg features though. What's wrong with stating this in hopes of solidifying an idea or concept so that it could be addressed? 

     

    I don't want GW2 to fail any more than I want TSW to fail.  I'm a gamer ffs, been that way since combat on the atari 2600. Anet has earned my respect (ncsoft lost it again with the whole customer service thing) in being able to deliver a polished robust PvP system. I do however think they missed the mark on character progression and customization badly. "

     

    It's funny how you skipped this and made no attempt to talk about my OP. Instead you just flamed away. I think that's called a logical fallacy. Argumentum Ad Hominem.

    Argumentum ad Hominem (abusive and circumstantial): the fallacy of attacking the character or circumstances of an individual who is advancing a statement or an argument instead of trying to disprove the truth of the statement or the soundness of the argument. Often the argument is characterized simply as a personal attack.

  • TdogSkalTdogSkal Member UncommonPosts: 1,244
    Originally posted by bcbully

    Not even 4 weeks in and I haven't logged in for two nights in a row. I'm only level 54.

     

    WvW was carring me through, but almost overnight it turned into pointless zerg to the gate AoE the ramparts, beat the gate for a couple minutes kill the lord. WvW needs ranks or something. Sever pride is cool but win lose or draw it means next to nothing. As far as Spvp is not arena or nearly as competitive. 

     

    I think my biggest issue is that it feels like I've reached my toons skill cap. There is nothing else to learn about my necro and I still have 26 levels to go >.< with nothing to look forawrd two but more passives. On top of that I've already used all those passives in Spvp...

     

    PvE is more like a movie than a rpg. I don't think I've ever seen a DE fail. It's all win all the time. It's not that the DEs are bad, it's that they are not that great. I've gotten zero lore in my 54 levels and a bunch of random storys that all seem to do with killing centaurs or skrits (the little kobald things.) For all I know, the world (what's the name of it again?) is being invaded by centaurs.

     

    I'm getting a feeling of sever lack of progression. My toon has not become noticably strong in PvE, WvW, or Spvp. Even the cosmetic progression is lacking. I've looked the same way the whole time, just different dye colors. Well I did get a short skirt drop once or twice vs all the other long skirt drops (my toon is a male.)

     

    It's a pretty game with incredible spell effects, but right now today, I feel that's about it. It just seems paper thin. I think they really missed the mark in character progression which for me gives a game lasting appeal. 

     

    edit-  80 - 54 = 26 

    How have you never seen a DE fail?  Are you playing the same game I am?

    Do you know all the combo's that your Necro can do with all the other classes already?  If not then your are not done with Toons skills and have not hit the cap of them yet.

    Have you done dungeon runs yet? 

    My 70 Necro has become noticablly stronger in PvE and WvW the more I play him and the more I learn how to combo with other classes and the more I learn how to combo with my own skills. 

    Sorry, just get so pissed when people post things like this like they are a FACT and not an opinion.

    Sooner or Later

  • Requiem1066Requiem1066 Member Posts: 274

    I always thought a games forums were about discussing a games good and bad points . Having conversations about it's merits and faults and how it can be improved etc etc

    Atm all we have is:

    YOU are WRONG to find fault with the game 

    or

    YOU are WRONG to enjoy the game

    and any valid points on either side are lost as the chimps fling shit at each other .

    *shrugs*

     

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    Zerging isn't that effective, although it has its uses.  Maybe your "next step" is to start leading groups in wvw using less zergy tactics rather than pining for some sort of realm ranks with uber realm abilties.

     

    At what point do the developers say "Hey we gave you all the tools you need, now go out and use them."  Apparently never.

     

    You know that people who play sports, they know all the moves even when they are mediocre.  The difference between a green belt and black belt or an OK wrestler vs an NCAA champion is not the moves they know nor is it the power with which they do those moves.

    Unfortunately RPGs tend to dole out new moves and power ups like crack.  Silly and unsustainable.  Sometimes I think this genre dug its own grave before it was even created.

  • YamotaYamota Member UncommonPosts: 6,593
    Originally posted by BadSpock
    Originally posted by The_Korrigan

    Yeah, thankfully the officlal forums are open now. This forum could be good though, if the negative nancies who bash the game since beta would be removed. If I was a mod, I would simply look at the usual negative poster's post histories. People only posting negative stuff on a specific game's forum are obviously on a crusade, and should be sent to forums where they can be helpful instead of nuisances.

    Sorry, but when someone posts negative stuff before the game's release for MONTHS, even saying he won't buy it (yes, the OP did say that), then supposedly buys it at release (something we don't have a proof of by the way) only to bash it more, then please don't tell me that person is even remotely useful to this community. That person is obviously on an agenda, maybe bored at work, or whatever else, and finds some enjoyment in peeing in other people's cheerios, as the expression says.

    But whatever... I guess some people just never understand this concept.

    Go on, report away, I don't care... fact is, people who really act maturely don't post on forums of games they dislike, and definitely don't buy games they said for 6+ months they would not buy. The agenda is obvious, and the pollution of this forum will continue. You can bet those specific people will still be here posting months after they stopped playing GW2, just for the fun of "stirring the pot".

    Whoa whoa whoa, stop being such a fanboi with your "logic" and "reasoning" and "common sense" I can't take it!

    No one on MMORPG.com would ever start threads about games they don't play or haven't played just to get reactions and up their post count...

    Well, except for Spotlight posters - seems to be why most get the Spotlight in the first place - stirring the pot and bringing in traffic and raising post counts.

    Integrity in posting? Usually get the ban hammer more often than not!

    Yes because someone posting negative threads are obviously on a crusade, makes perfect sense now... image

    Instead of attacking the poster for things he has done in the past then why not address the issues be brought up in this thread. Now you can't do that because he is on a crusade right? Nice way of disregarding posts which you dont feel like addressing.

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  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    Originally posted by TdogSkal
     

    How have you never seen a DE fail?  Are you playing the same game I am?

    Do you know all the combo's that your Necro can do with all the other classes already?  If not then your are not done with Toons skills and have not hit the cap of them yet.

    Have you done dungeon runs yet? 

    My 70 Necro has become noticablly stronger in PvE and WvW the more I play him and the more I learn how to combo with other classes and the more I learn how to combo with my own skills. 

    Sorry, just get so pissed when people post things like this like they are a FACT and not an opinion.

    Could you give examples please? 

     

    The post is my opinion and troubles after a lot of hours played.

  • TruthXHurtsTruthXHurts Member UncommonPosts: 1,555
    Originally posted by gestalt11

    Zerging isn't that effective, although it has its uses.  Maybe your "next step" is to start leading groups in wvw using less zergy tactics rather than pining for some sort of realm ranks with uber realm abilties.

     

    At what point do the developers say "Hey we gave you all the tools you need, now go out and use them."  Apparently never.

     

    You know that people who play sports, they know all the moves even when they are mediocre.  The difference between a green belt and black belt or an OK wrestler vs an NCAA champion is not the moves they know nor is it the power with which they do those moves.

    Unfortunately RPGs tend to dole out new moves and power ups like crack.  Silly and unsustainable.  Sometimes I think this genre dug its own grave before it was even created.

    The difference between a black belt and an orange belt can be stripped away very quickly by the orange belt having a better natural talent. You can memorize some Kata, but if you don't have the Warrior Spirit it's not going to help you much in a fight.

    "I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"

  • AmjocoAmjoco Member UncommonPosts: 4,860
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Amjoco 

    It's not YOUR intentions I was concerned about, but take a look at the posts inbetween ours here. it didn't take long for my point to be justified. You can thank your fellow GW2 fans for proving my point.

    Well I'm a fan of mmorpgs, not just GW2.  If I go to WoW forums and start following an old game I learn nothing new. 

    In between the rants of us "fanbois" and "haters" comes a remarkable amount of knowledge believe it or not. I am tired of folks tearing apart GW2 and was looking for what would be better. The folks bashing GW2 to pieces seem to know quite a bit about mmorpgs, and it would be nice if they would divulge some titles.

    edit: snip

    Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.

  • UrkoUrko Member Posts: 88
    Op is just trolling, i thought that when the word "arena" was mentioned quite frankly.
  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,857
    Originally posted by Amjoco
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Amjoco 

    It's not YOUR intentions I was concerned about, but take a look at the posts inbetween ours here. it didn't take long for my point to be justified. You can thank your fellow GW2 fans for proving my point.

    Well I'm a fan of mmorpgs, not just GW2.  If I go to WoW forums and start following an old game I learn nothing new. 

    In between the rants of us "fanbois" and "haters" comes a remarkable amount of knowledge believe it or not. I am tired of folks tearing apart GW2 and was looking for what would be better. The folks bashing GW2 to pieces seem to know quite a bit about mmorpgs, and it would be nice if they would divulge some titles.

    edit: snip

    Well, as I said, it's no secret I like Rift. But I'm not so preoccupied with it not to notice it's gaping holes. I'm not getting into it here, but to me it's worht the 15/month. and I am looking forward to the expanison. And I am very much aware that that will make or break the game. For many reasons I play, there are many things I don't like about it too. I've supported and criticized it over in those boards. I'd be happy to have a discussion over there about why I like it and what I don't like. But not here. this is someone else's thread. 

  • Ghost12Ghost12 Member Posts: 684
    Originally posted by The_Korrigan
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
    He has a valid point... Same thing was concluded after a few weeks in DAoC. They solved it with adding realmranks and realmpoints

    In the end the majorrity of playersmight come to share the OPs opinion

    I seriously doubt that he has the complete set of WvW PvP armor and weapons - he's not even 80. Before adding carrot layers, maybe people should finish the existing layer?

    Not to mention that adding realm points with OP skill rewards like in DAoC would completely ruin WvW as it was designed in GW2.

     

    So obtaining gear is the only reason to keep on playing?

     

    You know why I PvP'd in DAOC or AC? For the fun of it. Guess thats just the old ways, now. DAOC' condundrum wasnt really fixed with Realm points. They were nice. But PvP already had meaning in DAOC with relic and keep ownership.

  • Ghost12Ghost12 Member Posts: 684
    Originally posted by MosesZD
    Originally posted by SuperDonk
    Originally posted by Sylvarii

    OP, your only allowed to come here and tell everyone how you love the game,saying you have issues without actually trollling is not allowed.The people who claim they love the game will appear out of no where to discredit your post,makes you wonder if they are actually playing the game lol.

     

     ^ This guy gets it.

     

    Oh and don't forget the fanboys will use the, "you must need to go back to gear games because you suck at video games and life" tactic.

     

    GW2 is dry and lacking in the fun department, in my opinion, because every zone ends up feeling the same. Everyone is a jack of all trades- no real specialites - or at least none that I could see during the week or two of playing. And WvW is the same zergfest over and over and over again. Good thing it is B2P, otherwise thier collapse would be at SWTOR levels if not higher (P.S. I had more fun with SWTOR than I have with GW2)

     

    lol.   No.   You were concern-trolled.   The guy has spent his entire GW2 posting history trashing the game and makes numerous mistakes in the details to an extent that one can not take him seriously or credulously if one has invested any time in playing the game.

     

    FANS criticize the game for it's real flaws.   Not a bunch of imaginary flaws that aren't in the game or flaws of the player who clearly does not get it.

     

    And when some troll comes in and spouts off a bunch of nonsense, yeah he gets thumped.  It's the way of it.

     

    He is a troll because you dont agree with him? Or he is a troll because he is posting something you dont like? Imaginary flaws? Not to him.

     

    The only person trolling here is you. More people commit trolling through calling people other trolls than they do by intentionally starting topics to create animosity. Its sad.

  • TardcoreTardcore Member Posts: 2,325
    Originally posted by The_Korrigan
    Originally posted by Tardcore

    Well while that sounds fantastic, from my own experience the journey doesn't really lead anywhere except to level 80. If there was more significance to it than just a tick on a checklist somewhere that would be different. But to ME just running about, looking in every nook and cranny, figuring out jumping puzzles for vistas, finding hidden chests, gathering more skill points to unlock skills of which I'll only ever use a few, gets boring just as quickly as re-running the same boring ass raid dungeons in the vain hope of looting another pointless peice of shinny gear, which you can then use to run the same boring ass raid dungeon ... well you get the point.

    That's my problem with people like you and the OP. Ok, you don't like the game. You get bored. No problem with that, every game is definitely not for everyone. All this is fine. The problem is you, and certainly the OP too, will still stay here on this forum about the game, on a crusade to convince everyone else that the game is not good and boring. Hell, the OP is here since months now bashing the game while is was still in beta despite he wasn't even playing it back then. And no, you will not stop once you gave your reasons why the game is boring and why you don't play anymore, that's not enough for you.

    That's a bit like if I went in a restaurant, found the food pretty bad, but keep on going back just to be able to whine out loud that the food is bad, possibly to find some likeminded soul to comfort me in my opinion.

    You all try to sound all grown up and mature, making big "reasonable" posts about how GW2 is bad over and over again, but your behavior is anything but mature. A mature adult would give his final opinion and then just leave, including the forums talking about the game they dislike.

    Seriously, people on a crusade (against ANY game) even though they don't play it are getting old. But hey, awaiting some kind of maturity from an Internet forum is obviously a mistake

    Get off your damned soapbox, grow up, and go post on a forum of a game you play and enjoy. You may even contribute in a constructive way to a community, for a change, instead of your usual destructive behavior.

     

    /Rant off...

    And this is my problem with posters such as yourself who think discussions about a game are fine as long as they only support the point of view YOU agree with. Please go find a post where I've said this game sucks shit. I've stated time and again that I feel its a decent game, BUT I disagree that its really all that different than the several other themeparks I've played in the last several years. And THAT'S my issue with the game. Nothing new equals not all the interesting so the game will offer me little in long term value. Which I take issue with as what is the point of a continually existing world if I'm sick of in an a few weeks.

    I feel the entire themepark model is horribly stagnant and feel the few things about the model that A-net have actually changed do little to address that. And since all AAA Developers seem to be stuck in this one rut it means that finding new games I'D like to talk about AND PLAY don't seem to exist anymore. All we seem to get is variations on one theme. Whch seques nicely into your fast food argument. Slice it any way you like but the current state of AAA gaming is everyone is just selling hamburgers. Sure they may change some of the ways they put it together but its still very much just a hamburger. Fine so long as that's all you want to eat, but I say wouldn't it be nice to have enchiladas or shabu shabu once in awhile. Why is it the industry feels that burger joints are the only marketable venue.

    Also frankly your argument that we should only discuss games we like holds no water anyway as these games don't exist in a vacuum and in some way will effect other games in the industry. Prime example, Wow's been holding the entire industry down and farting on its head for the past seven years. And while A-net did change the way they did a few things, they are still very much Wow's little brother. Oh sure GW2 may dress differently, listen to different music, and comb its hair in a diffrent manner, but at the end of the day both of them are still very much related by blood. Which has been my continuous critique of the game. I don't think its a BAD game. I just feel at its heart that it isn't really a NEW game.

    You see it seems that unlike posters like yourself I can both appreciate a game for what it is, but still critique it on what I think it could do better or at least different. A mindset that seems to be missing from most modern game players as well as game makers.

    So sorry, but if my opinions upset you so much then I'd advise you to use the ignore feature, as I'm not censoring myself simply because my ideas hurt your feelings.

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  • wildtalentwildtalent Member UncommonPosts: 380

    Okay.  So have you ever played GW1?  In GW1 you hit level cap about 1/3 of the way through the game.  Yes, you kept finding skills and since you could dual class there were tons of skills and builds to try out but in the end you could only carry 8 skills at a time so once you found something that worked and worked well you had a tendency to keep it.  

    The idea was that the game would become about the story and your personal skill as a player and not just a linear character progression.

    I think the idea in GW2 is similar yet the opposite.  In GW2 you have many levels to go and a long time to get there if you are the average player (not the more redbull than blood hardcore kind), but you have a limited number of skills and you still can only carry so many.  

    The idea here again focuses on player skill with the class and by limiting the number of total skills available and focusing on the design of the skills in question they have made most builds at least viable.  Since at least %50 percent of the game's focus turns to WvW or PVP this is actually a good thing.  It's hard to gimp your character and it keeps you working to perfect your play style and skill levels.

    Think about it.  If you look at the design elements of the game this stands out.  For one, you have to learn your enemies and dodge attacks.  You kill things faster if you figure out the right chain of attacks to use and when.

    I guess what I am saying is this isn't an old school MMO.  Things are different.  Frankly for those with this complaint they should have seen this coming by the information available before release.

    I for one love the game.  I can see how it's not for everyone.  I do think it will change things for developers going forward simply because of the sheer number of features it offers for no monthly fee.  But in the end while I suspect the number of players will remain very large, I do suspect those who want an old school feel will move on to other games.  Like guild wars 1 however it will retain a huge cult following.

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  • BadSpockBadSpock Member UncommonPosts: 7,979
    Originally posted by Yamota
    Originally posted by BadSpock

    Whoa whoa whoa, stop being such a fanboi with your "logic" and "reasoning" and "common sense" I can't take it!

    No one on MMORPG.com would ever start threads about games they don't play or haven't played just to get reactions and up their post count...

    Well, except for Spotlight posters - seems to be why most get the Spotlight in the first place - stirring the pot and bringing in traffic and raising post counts.

    Integrity in posting? Usually get the ban hammer more often than not!

    Yes because someone posting negative threads are obviously on a crusade, makes perfect sense now... image

    Instead of attacking the poster for things he has done in the past then why not address the issues be brought up in this thread. Now you can't do that because he is on a crusade right? Nice way of disregarding posts which you dont feel like addressing.

    Everything the OP said is 100% subjective and his opinion - which he is entitled to - but how is ANYONE supposed to respond to that?

    You can't - because he is not "wrong" in any sense, but that doesn't mean I agree with him.

    So the entire thread is pointless, and comes off to me (and others) as just a baiting attempt to create yet another black vs. white back and forth BS thread.

    Given the posters history and passionate support for TSW - including lots of flames against GW2 in that time... why would such a person buy the game knowing this is exactly what would probably happen given their perspective?

    So again, pointless thread - troll bait - no point anymore but to create yet ANOTHER pro vs. con back and forth thread - which is all Korrigan was saying.

  • halflife25halflife25 Member Posts: 737
    Originally posted by BadSpock
    Originally posted by Yamota
    Originally posted by BadSpock

    Whoa whoa whoa, stop being such a fanboi with your "logic" and "reasoning" and "common sense" I can't take it!

    No one on MMORPG.com would ever start threads about games they don't play or haven't played just to get reactions and up their post count...

    Well, except for Spotlight posters - seems to be why most get the Spotlight in the first place - stirring the pot and bringing in traffic and raising post counts.

    Integrity in posting? Usually get the ban hammer more often than not!

    Yes because someone posting negative threads are obviously on a crusade, makes perfect sense now... image

    Instead of attacking the poster for things he has done in the past then why not address the issues be brought up in this thread. Now you can't do that because he is on a crusade right? Nice way of disregarding posts which you dont feel like addressing.

    Everything the OP said is 100% subjective and his opinion - which he is entitled to - but how is ANYONE supposed to respond to that?

    You can't - because he is not "wrong" in any sense, but that doesn't mean I agree with him.

    So the entire thread is pointless, and comes off to me (and others) as just a baiting attempt to create yet another black vs. white back and forth BS thread.

    Given the posters history and passionate support for TSW - including lots of flames against GW2 in that time... why would such a person buy the game knowing this is exactly what would probably happen given their perspective?

    So again, pointless thread - troll bait - no point anymore but to create yet ANOTHER pro vs. con back and forth thread - which is all Korrigan was saying.

    People change their mind all the time. You have never disliked something in life? and still thought 'hey why not give it a try, maybe i will like it'. Just to realise that nope what you thought was right to some extent. Is it a crime to give your opinion? people change and re change their mind all the time. 

    I am a huge fan of GW2 and have utmost regard for Anet and the quality which they put in their games. But at the same time i believe that people like you and the person you are supporting for his personal attacks at OP, give bad name to rest of the community.

    I have no problem if someone dislikes the game as long as they are civil and not personaly attacking the fans. Did he do that? then why make sarcastic comments and make fun of him or call him troll? it is like internet bullying. 2 or 3 people ganging up on one person for giving his opinion about the game.

    Shame on people like you who call themselves fans of GW2. You make rest of us look bad.

  • AmjocoAmjoco Member UncommonPosts: 4,860
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Amjoco
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Amjoco 

    It's not YOUR intentions I was concerned about, but take a look at the posts inbetween ours here. it didn't take long for my point to be justified. You can thank your fellow GW2 fans for proving my point.

    Well I'm a fan of mmorpgs, not just GW2.  If I go to WoW forums and start following an old game I learn nothing new. 

    In between the rants of us "fanbois" and "haters" comes a remarkable amount of knowledge believe it or not. I am tired of folks tearing apart GW2 and was looking for what would be better. The folks bashing GW2 to pieces seem to know quite a bit about mmorpgs, and it would be nice if they would divulge some titles.

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    Well, as I said, it's no secret I like Rift. But I'm not so preoccupied with it not to notice it's gaping holes. I'm not getting into it here, but to me it's worht the 15/month. and I am looking forward to the expanison. And I am very much aware that that will make or break the game. For many reasons I play, there are many things I don't like about it too. I've supported and criticized it over in those boards. I'd be happy to have a discussion over there about why I like it and what I don't like. But not here. this is someone else's thread. 

    Dig through my history and you will find I have allowed myself one subscription a month. After I play MoP for a while and see what it is about I  plan on joing Rift again, but until then I will stick with GW2, Vanguard, (SWToR when its f2p), and one subscription game. I'm retired and have the luxuray of doing pretty much what I want! Except I still need to go mow the lawn. Good luck to you and hopefully I will see you in the Rift forum!

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