BUT..how often do you see multiple gaming sites throw out a hefty award noones ever seen? i may be newb but does this happen often? i doubt it...save the hate for 8/2...cuz really...not one of us has a leg to stand on
Oh I'm sorry a game that's in very early development taking best in show? Really?
It's not early in development if it's going to be released by years end. It's just an amazingly well kept secret. They're doing it for a good reason too.
Originally posted by SoMuchMass Hmm so both MMORPG and Ten Ton Hammer loves the game, and they aren't backing down with the positivity. So it must be decent at the very least.
Not to sound too condenscending but the same was said about SWTOR. GW2 and now TESO, All failures in MMO design.
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!
Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!
I'm totally surprised by all the responses I've seen. HAVE we really become that cynical with regards to MMOs?????
If news like this came out several years ago, we would be fawning over it and saying things like "AWESOME I can't wait!!"
INSTEAD, the majority of people seem to saying things like "there is no way they can live up to the hype" or "those media reps must have been paid off" or whatever it may be.
Have we considered the possibility that EQNext actually DOES blow us away?? Have we really become so skeptical lately that we cannot fathom the possibility that a prospective MMO could be AMAZING??
I'm not saying EQNext will rule this world. I'm just saying-- what's with all the skepticism?
* years of failed Wow clones have made us a cynical bunch and its now within the last year Developers have learned to go a different route so until a time comes that innovation becomes the rule and not the exceptions, we gamers will remain a cynical bunch.
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!
Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!
I actually saw a couple of pre-emptive backtracking posts lol. So now we are retroactively defending the inevitable letdown from a game that isnt even officially announced yet....
EQ1 is what most of us want again. Corpse runs, dependancy on others for travel, slow - meaningful leveling, dependancy on others and relationships to survive content. Loot that is important and hard to aquire. High risk and cost when you die.
and no PVP
Time to look for another game. PvP will be a major factor in this game based on what Smed has been saying.
So many games come out with a PVE heavy emphasis and they put out a few PVP servers for those who want it.
Ever consider they might make PVP a big part of the game, and have a few PVE servers for those who want it?
I'm totally surprised by all the responses I've seen. HAVE we really become that cynical with regards to MMOs?????
If news like this came out several years ago, we would be fawning over it and saying things like "AWESOME I can't wait!!"
INSTEAD, the majority of people seem to saying things like "there is no way they can live up to the hype" or "those media reps must have been paid off" or whatever it may be.
Have we considered the possibility that EQNext actually DOES blow us away?? Have we really become so skeptical lately that we cannot fathom the possibility that a prospective MMO could be AMAZING??
I'm not saying EQNext will rule this world. I'm just saying-- what's with all the skepticism?
* years of failed Wow clones have made us a cynical bunch and its now within the last year Developers have learned to go a different route so until a time comes that innovation becomes the rule and not the exceptions, we gamers will remain a cynical bunch.
while it is certainly within the realm of possibility that EQN will blow us all away i think its important to note the difference between being a cynic and a rational skeptic.
a cynic is going to assume the worst from the beginning. a rational skeptic is simply asking for evidence.
"There are at least two kinds of games. One could be called finite, the other infinite. A finite game is played for the purpose of winning, an infinite game for the purpose of continuing play." Finite and Infinite Games, James Carse
New and different doesn't necessarily mean it will be good. They said they saw good things, but no one confirmed playing it. Lots of games had good things on paper, but failed miserably when applying them. We even have recent history with SWTOR where media sites not only got to see the game, but played it as well and hailed it as the future of MMORPGs and look how that turned out.
I've learned that few media sites view games the way I do and even fewer still on this site, so I'll take any reviews or awards they give with several grains of salt.
Originally posted by SoMuchMass Hmm so both MMORPG and Ten Ton Hammer loves the game, and they aren't backing down with the positivity. So it must be decent at the very least.
Not to sound too condenscending but the same was said about SWTOR. GW2 and now TESO, All failures in MMO design.
Actually those games were quite openly themepark, Swtor even said WoW was their inspiration. Sure they had a few gimmicks - voice acting/action combat etc, but we all knew well ahead of their launches, even betas, that they would not be the games to break the mold or restore the classic hardcore mmo.
SOE has at least said regarding EQN, that it will not be a themepark but sandbox, will not be instanced but open world, it will not be linear, it will not be a game that coddles you, and it will derive a lot of the gameplay from the previous EQ MMOs, even if its not meant to replace them.
Those remarks along with the 2 controversial best in show awards are enough to give me a little hope.
Originally posted by SoMuchMass Hmm so both MMORPG and Ten Ton Hammer loves the game, and they aren't backing down with the positivity. So it must be decent at the very least.
Not to sound too condenscending but the same was said about SWTOR. GW2 and now TESO, All failures in MMO design.
Actually those games were quite openly themepark, Swtor even said WoW was their inspiration. Sure they had a few gimmicks - voice acting/action combat etc, but we all knew well ahead of their launches, even betas, that they would not be the games to break the mold or restore the classic hardcore mmo.
SOE has at least said regarding EQN, that it will not be a themepark but sandbox, will not be instanced but open world, it will not be linear, it will not be a game that coddles you, and it will derive a lot of the gameplay from the previous EQ MMOs, even if its not meant to replace them.
Those remarks along with the 2 controversial best in show awards are enough to give me a little hope.
Exactly. And it's not like GW2 or SWTOR are "bad" games. They might be lacking something we've been looking for, but SWTOR has a lot going for it, especially the stories/dialog system. GW2 is probably the best MMORPG that's been released in the past 10 years, easy, for many reasons.
It might not be what some of us were looking for in a long term relationship, but there is no doubt that GW2 is worth many magnitudes more than the $60 they charged for the box , and nothing else comes even close currently
Originally posted by SoMuchMass Hmm so both MMORPG and Ten Ton Hammer loves the game, and they aren't backing down with the positivity. So it must be decent at the very least.
Not to sound too condenscending but the same was said about SWTOR. GW2 and now TESO, All failures in MMO design.
Actually those games were quite openly themepark, Swtor even said WoW was their inspiration. Sure they had a few gimmicks - voice acting/action combat etc, but we all knew well ahead of their launches, even betas, that they would not be the games to break the mold or restore the classic hardcore mmo.
SOE has at least said regarding EQN, that it will not be a themepark but sandbox, will not be instanced but open world, it will not be linear, it will not be a game that coddles you, and it will derive a lot of the gameplay from the previous EQ MMOs, even if its not meant to replace them.
Those remarks along with the 2 controversial best in show awards are enough to give me a little hope.
I love that the guy claims TESO is a failures in term of MMO design, the game is still a year away from release, everything is under NDA and probably unfinished. As for SWTOR, it is a good game and fun to play, until you get to max level. GW2 is still a good game (and will get better). Anyway.
I think it's easy to see that MMORPG and TTH loved the concept of EQN and were impressed by what they saw, but it doesn't mean that everyone will. If SOE isn't lying and EQN is really the "biggest sandbox game ever", it could end up super awesome for sandbox fans (like me), but I expect the "themepark" faction to go everywhere on the web saying how much it sucks...
See, sandbox are composed of things "themeparkers" hate about MMOs:
all game content should be equally important (aka crafters can make the best stuff)
socializing (outside your friends/guild) is important (SWG had entertainers, ship transport, player owned stores, etc),
soloing is a huge part of the game (i.e. a lot of activities are solo oriented: crafting, housing, etc),
lack of direction (you're free to do what you want)
no concept of endgame (sandbox are about living in the world, not beating it)
character progression is usually more open if not totally open
Although, in the end, I'm mostly expecting a proper SWG with a Everquest skin, but I'm not sure if that is what we are going to get...
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It's not early in development if it's going to be released by years end. It's just an amazingly well kept secret. They're doing it for a good reason too.
Currently playing Everquest on Project1999
Not to sound too condenscending but the same was said about SWTOR. GW2 and now TESO, All failures in MMO design.
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!
Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!
* years of failed Wow clones have made us a cynical bunch and its now within the last year Developers have learned to go a different route so until a time comes that innovation becomes the rule and not the exceptions, we gamers will remain a cynical bunch.
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!
Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!
Oh man, some of these replies....
I actually saw a couple of pre-emptive backtracking posts lol. So now we are retroactively defending the inevitable letdown from a game that isnt even officially announced yet....
brain exploded
So many games come out with a PVE heavy emphasis and they put out a few PVP servers for those who want it.
Ever consider they might make PVP a big part of the game, and have a few PVE servers for those who want it?
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while it is certainly within the realm of possibility that EQN will blow us all away i think its important to note the difference between being a cynic and a rational skeptic.
a cynic is going to assume the worst from the beginning. a rational skeptic is simply asking for evidence.
"There are at least two kinds of games.
One could be called finite, the other infinite.
A finite game is played for the purpose of winning,
an infinite game for the purpose of continuing play."
Finite and Infinite Games, James Carse
New and different doesn't necessarily mean it will be good. They said they saw good things, but no one confirmed playing it. Lots of games had good things on paper, but failed miserably when applying them. We even have recent history with SWTOR where media sites not only got to see the game, but played it as well and hailed it as the future of MMORPGs and look how that turned out.
I've learned that few media sites view games the way I do and even fewer still on this site, so I'll take any reviews or awards they give with several grains of salt.
Actually those games were quite openly themepark, Swtor even said WoW was their inspiration. Sure they had a few gimmicks - voice acting/action combat etc, but we all knew well ahead of their launches, even betas, that they would not be the games to break the mold or restore the classic hardcore mmo.
SOE has at least said regarding EQN, that it will not be a themepark but sandbox, will not be instanced but open world, it will not be linear, it will not be a game that coddles you, and it will derive a lot of the gameplay from the previous EQ MMOs, even if its not meant to replace them.
Those remarks along with the 2 controversial best in show awards are enough to give me a little hope.
Exactly. And it's not like GW2 or SWTOR are "bad" games. They might be lacking something we've been looking for, but SWTOR has a lot going for it, especially the stories/dialog system. GW2 is probably the best MMORPG that's been released in the past 10 years, easy, for many reasons.
It might not be what some of us were looking for in a long term relationship, but there is no doubt that GW2 is worth many magnitudes more than the $60 they charged for the box , and nothing else comes even close currently
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I love that the guy claims TESO is a failures in term of MMO design, the game is still a year away from release, everything is under NDA and probably unfinished. As for SWTOR, it is a good game and fun to play, until you get to max level. GW2 is still a good game (and will get better). Anyway.
I think it's easy to see that MMORPG and TTH loved the concept of EQN and were impressed by what they saw, but it doesn't mean that everyone will. If SOE isn't lying and EQN is really the "biggest sandbox game ever", it could end up super awesome for sandbox fans (like me), but I expect the "themepark" faction to go everywhere on the web saying how much it sucks...
See, sandbox are composed of things "themeparkers" hate about MMOs: