Both studio's are owned by 1 man. So they are sister company's.
As long as US players dont roll on EU servers you should not realy see problems, unless it creates massive lag. if that is the case Zenimax are in for a world of problems with people who should get their money back as the gaming expirience is not of the quality it should be.
And they should offer refunds if its that bad, from what i have seen on the beta weekends, it ran pretty smooth. But if the MS goes up to 400/500 then it creates a whole level of shit that people should not accept.
Zenimax are playing this so safe. its clear that they themselves believe the game will flop.
They are going for "megaservers" so that they can hide the fact when they need to close and merge servers
They are allready putting item shop in place - so they will be ready for F2P switch as soon as possible
They are not making EU server in order to save money from costly overseas operation , and to again mask the fact when they will have to close the server and merge it with US
Yup its the only reason i think they do not own a big datacenter yet in Europe. It costs ridiculous amounts of money to install servers and maintain them.
If the game flops or goes free to play, they have at least saved millions and millions of cash. But if they do not open up EU servers and the MS / Lag is to much they get a hurricane of bad press over their head... And the only thing you have in this genre is your reputation...once demolished it will be very hard to recover from it.
This was officially the last Bethesda game I have ever and will ever purchase. I am so done with this bullsh*t.
dude hate to say it, but so what? i am an Aussie gamer. we never get local servers. always get servers in the US, hasnt really ever effected lag. and yes they are doing it, to see if its worthwhile putting an actual physcial server in Europe somewhere.
The impact of this will depend on how quickly the "EU" Megaserver gets moved to Europe. There will be issues with latency, the longer they go on, the worse it will be.
If we have no EU server at launch date +1 week, no problem, if we are still waiting at launch date +1 month there will be.
Umm having additional 100+ms of latency is a big deal - otherwise why would they bother even having a EU based megaserver?
Oh yeah - that's right - because of lower latency for EU players.
There is no excusing this - they F'd up - their german datacenter wasn't ready in time - it's a screwup, there's no denying it.
Being upset over not having an EU based datacenter for EU players - to me that's warranted.
Can you imagine the outcry if US players had to play on EU servers????
C'mon - get real.
In PvP 100+ms of additional latency is HUGE - my latency to US TESO servers is below 20ms, now compare that to someone who is in 180+ms in EU - it's a huge advantage for me.
What are you on about??? Are you suggesting Americans will roll on the EU megaserver en masse so that they have latency advantage and then reroll and level from scratch back on US servers when the European cluster is moved to its final location???
What's your problem? There ARE two servers - US and EU. At the start of release EU server will be in US, because that way it will be easier for them to access it and fix any major problems if there will be. A bit later on after the release they will seamlessly transition the server to the EU. It's already in place and almost ready.
Why are you being so butthurt with your "I am out of words if this is the case"?
People these days will find any reason to get "upset".
It seems like you didnt get the memo. If you want to be one of the cool kids, you have to create an ESO hate thread.
There is an EU server. It will be moved to the EU once ZOS is confident that they won't need to keep tweaking it on a regular basis to keep it stable and working properly. Don't panic yet. I think they care about their business and they want your Euros, so they are probably doing what they think is best. I would trust them for now till they mess up.
By the way, I'm in Asia and I played the beta on the same American server and my experience was fine.
Already bought it. I enjoyed the game in beta on US servers even though im from EU. Wouldnt call it 100% lag free but it was perfectly playable. Im not worried about others having advantage in latency over me because the people that would have it, will be playing on their own megaserver. As long as the quest bugs arent there anymore Im OK with it.
"Get a life. No one besides you cares."....Really because I just read another thread with a poll that was against this and there seemed to be a lot of people who cared in that thread.
"Once the game is considered "stable""....So the game will not be considered "stable" at launch? That doesn't sound too good.
LOL... Funny. Every game at its release has tons of fixing to do. ESO won't be exception. So pull out your head out of your you know what.
I forgot how 99% of the people here are 24/7 no life gamers, and believe in myths.
I played in last 5 betas, went to PVP, played with friends from US, and I had NO LAG whatsoever. I was not disadvantaged AT ALL. So stop whining. Server will get moved to EU, I bet within first few weeks.
As an EU player who played beta, I know game runs flawlessly in PvE and not so much in mass PvP. PvE wise I don't care really but when it comes to PvP I want as little limitations as possible.
I'm not going to sweat it too much for now but if after one month they don't get us a real EU server up or give discount on monthly sub price for limited service, than I ain't going to sub further.
I am just quoting someone claiming that the EU server is added after launch.. “sometime after launch”
Does this mean we are playing a game here in the EU, that is sold and advertised here, but it’s server is located in the US? Can anyone confirm this?
I am literally out of words if this is the case.
What's your problem? There ARE two servers - US and EU. At the start of release EU server will be in US, because that way it will be easier for them to access it and fix any major problems if there will be. A bit later on after the release they will seamlesly transition the server to the EU. It's already in place and almost ready. Transition won't cause any trouble for players, it will happen smoothly with no downtime, maybe a couple of minutes.
You won't have lag WHATSOEVER. IF you even want you can always keep playing in US. ALL betas were in US. And people from EU had no lag whatsoever, no game disadvantage to US players.
Why are you being so butthurt with your "I am out of words if this is the case"?
People these days will find any reason to get "upset".
COMPLETE BS!
Umm having additional 100+ms of latency is a big deal - otherwise why would they bother even having a EU based megaserver?
Oh yeah - that's right - because of lower latency for EU players.
There is no excusing this - they F'd up - their german datacenter wasn't ready in time - it's a screwup, there's no denying it.
Being upset over not having an EU based datacenter for EU players - to me that's warranted.
Can you imagine the outcry if US players had to play on EU servers????
C'mon - get real.
In PvP 100+ms of additional latency is HUGE - my latency to US TESO servers is below 20ms, now compare that to someone who is in 180+ms in EU - it's a huge advantage for me.
Absolutely. I can forgive an indy developer not to have at realse EU servers, though a lot of them have them rdy. But for a major publisher and an AAA title this is really just extremely bad managerment, with no whatsoever excuse to make.
I just hope they will deliver it very fast, and without any problems doing so.. but to treat your biggest market like that is unforgiveable, and will have consequences.
I am just quoting someone claiming that the EU server is added after launch.. “sometime after launch”
Does this mean we are playing a game here in the EU, that is sold and advertised here, but it’s server is located in the US? Can anyone confirm this?
I am literally out of words if this is the case.
What's your problem? There ARE two servers - US and EU. At the start of release EU server will be in US, because that way it will be easier for them to access it and fix any major problems if there will be. A bit later on after the release they will seamlessly transition the server to the EU. It's already in place and almost ready. Transition won't cause any trouble for players, it will happen smoothly with no downtime, maybe a couple of minutes.
You won't have lag WHATSOEVER. IF you even want you can always keep playing in US. ALL betas were in US. And people from EU had no lag whatsoever, no game disadvantage to US players.
Why are you being so butthurt with your "I am out of words if this is the case"?
People these days will find any reason to get "upset".
Get a life. No one besides you cares.
What a load of.....
First of all, in today it is not relative where your server is if you have to do big patches. We have tons of bandwidth so that nobody would give a shit about it. Also it can't happen without a downtime, your game will switch a physical IP address after all, also the database should be in complete sync so I expect few hours of maintenance.
Yes he/she will have lag, most europeans lag in U.S. servers. Not much but its there, its the same for you americans though, you lag in european servers . Please, go ahead and tell me how enjoyable it is to play with 120-180ms of ping or more.
Yes, also I do care about this, because what zenimax is doing here is tax evasion.
Go ahead, pay those subscriptions although, Neverwinter had EU servers at launch, Gw2 had EU servers at launch, TERA had, Aion had, Lineage 2 had, pretty sure TESO is one of the very few games without EU datacenter.
Oh and btw, prices for datacenters and servers is cheaper than the U.S. xD
We have fiber optics to home btw, and we get download speeds of 20+ mb/s for ~20$/mo.
It could launch like other games and the EU could have to wait another 2-3 months to get to even play it, if you want? Personally, I'd rather take the 100ms or so extra ping and get to play it now
Originally posted by Gravarg It could launch like other games and the EU could have to wait another 2-3 months to get to even play it, if you want? Personally, I'd rather take the 100ms or so extra ping and get to play it now
Sure, but transactions have to be honest and transparent based on expecations. This kind of dealing sounds similar to how to make a wish with the devil and them twisting that wish to have worst possible results.
Since for other people they will play this game for a month, then if they only want to play for a month until their subscription finishes, why would they rush to play that month in worse than optimal condistions if they had the choice. The choice was not given to them.
Its shady dealings to sell the pre-order then reveal its only in NA servers at first for euro customers and others to find out later.
Personally I played gw2 for less than a week becuase i did not find certain parts of the game enjoyable and its b2p, then having a restriction as having to sub for eso as more reason to justify logging in despite it being laggy pvp is not something developers want players to consider as much as simply enjoying the game.
Write bad things that are done to you in sand, but write the good things that happen to you on a piece of marble
Originally posted by Mpfive Ohh look Hrotha and MKkano moaning about ESO.. still. Give it a rest you're looking silly now..
Lol, yep. I see Hrotha's identical thread on the TESO forum got closed, thank god. Hopefully here too.
Over the last 15 years I have played many an mmorpg hosted in the US and had no detrimental effects whatsoever. It might have mattered in the mid 80's when I was using a 300 baud modem, but not these days when superfast broadband is so common. This thread is much ado about nothing and needs to be closed down.
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Both studio's are owned by 1 man.
So they are sister company's.
As long as US players dont roll on EU servers you should not realy see problems, unless it creates massive lag.
if that is the case Zenimax are in for a world of problems with people who should get their money back as the gaming expirience is not of the quality it should be.
And they should offer refunds if its that bad, from what i have seen on the beta weekends, it ran pretty smooth.
But if the MS goes up to 400/500 then it creates a whole level of shit that people should not accept.
Very true!
Yup its the only reason i think they do not own a big datacenter yet in Europe.
It costs ridiculous amounts of money to install servers and maintain them.
If the game flops or goes free to play, they have at least saved millions and millions of cash.
But if they do not open up EU servers and the MS / Lag is to much they get a hurricane of bad press over their head...
And the only
thing you have in this genre is your reputation...once demolished it will be very hard to recover from it.
dude hate to say it, but so what? i am an Aussie gamer. we never get local servers. always get servers in the US, hasnt really ever effected lag. and yes they are doing it, to see if its worthwhile putting an actual physcial server in Europe somewhere.
The impact of this will depend on how quickly the "EU" Megaserver gets moved to Europe. There will be issues with latency, the longer they go on, the worse it will be.
If we have no EU server at launch date +1 week, no problem, if we are still waiting at launch date +1 month there will be.
Exactly what i was thinking... And i live in Israel....
Come to Wildstar - we would love to have you :-)
Just my 2 cents...
What are you on about??? Are you suggesting Americans will roll on the EU megaserver en masse so that they have latency advantage and then reroll and level from scratch back on US servers when the European cluster is moved to its final location???
It seems like you didnt get the memo. If you want to be one of the cool kids, you have to create an ESO hate thread.
There is an EU server. It will be moved to the EU once ZOS is confident that they won't need to keep tweaking it on a regular basis to keep it stable and working properly. Don't panic yet. I think they care about their business and they want your Euros, so they are probably doing what they think is best. I would trust them for now till they mess up.
By the way, I'm in Asia and I played the beta on the same American server and my experience was fine.
Nobody needs to worry at all about this
Matt Firor has confirmed in a recent official statement that once launched, the playing experience will be lag free.
I would link it but can't seem to get on Massively from work
The bottom line is there will be no lag at all, so it really doesn't matter which server you are on or where it's located
Yep, TESO is be the first game to use Zenimax's new teleportation technology
They have invented a way for electic signal to travel from the US to Europe instantly.
So no worries, there will be no lag and soon enough you'll be able to use the teloportation tech to travel from NY to Paris in 0 ms
What are your other Hobbies?
Gaming is Dirt Cheap compared to this...
Me currently
I'm genuinely supportive of the game, however a few of the recent "changes" and/or other announcement still have me on the fence.....
lol....
They must have done *something* equally as impressive.
Matt Firor was quite clear about it with no way of mis interpretting or mis representing the statement.
I personally feel totally /reassured after reading Matts confirmation that the game WILL be lag free.
LOL... Funny. Every game at its release has tons of fixing to do. ESO won't be exception. So pull out your head out of your you know what.
I forgot how 99% of the people here are 24/7 no life gamers, and believe in myths.
I played in last 5 betas, went to PVP, played with friends from US, and I had NO LAG whatsoever. I was not disadvantaged AT ALL. So stop whining. Server will get moved to EU, I bet within first few weeks.
oh noe! they make us connect via the ocean! HELP ME! MY CONNECTION IS FROM 1990! and i can't do that!
seriously guys, been playing games in 2k on US servers, and they worked excellent.
now, like 15 years later, you guys still bitch about ping?
sorry but... my ping did not suffer during beta, and i doubt it will in retail.
welcome to the new millenium
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
As an EU player who played beta, I know game runs flawlessly in PvE and not so much in mass PvP. PvE wise I don't care really but when it comes to PvP I want as little limitations as possible.
I'm not going to sweat it too much for now but if after one month they don't get us a real EU server up or give discount on monthly sub price for limited service, than I ain't going to sub further.
Absolutely. I can forgive an indy developer not to have at realse EU servers, though a lot of them have them rdy. But for a major publisher and an AAA title this is really just extremely bad managerment, with no whatsoever excuse to make.
I just hope they will deliver it very fast, and without any problems doing so.. but to treat your biggest market like that is unforgiveable, and will have consequences.
What a load of.....
First of all, in today it is not relative where your server is if you have to do big patches. We have tons of bandwidth so that nobody would give a shit about it. Also it can't happen without a downtime, your game will switch a physical IP address after all, also the database should be in complete sync so I expect few hours of maintenance.
Yes he/she will have lag, most europeans lag in U.S. servers. Not much but its there, its the same for you americans though, you lag in european servers . Please, go ahead and tell me how enjoyable it is to play with 120-180ms of ping or more.
Yes, also I do care about this, because what zenimax is doing here is tax evasion.
Go ahead, pay those subscriptions although, Neverwinter had EU servers at launch, Gw2 had EU servers at launch, TERA had, Aion had, Lineage 2 had, pretty sure TESO is one of the very few games without EU datacenter.
Oh and btw, prices for datacenters and servers is cheaper than the U.S. xD
We have fiber optics to home btw, and we get download speeds of 20+ mb/s for ~20$/mo.
Sure, but transactions have to be honest and transparent based on expecations. This kind of dealing sounds similar to how to make a wish with the devil and them twisting that wish to have worst possible results.
Since for other people they will play this game for a month, then if they only want to play for a month until their subscription finishes, why would they rush to play that month in worse than optimal condistions if they had the choice. The choice was not given to them.
Its shady dealings to sell the pre-order then reveal its only in NA servers at first for euro customers and others to find out later.
Personally I played gw2 for less than a week becuase i did not find certain parts of the game enjoyable and its b2p, then having a restriction as having to sub for eso as more reason to justify logging in despite it being laggy pvp is not something developers want players to consider as much as simply enjoying the game.
Write bad things that are done to you in sand, but write the good things that happen to you on a piece of marble
Lol, yep. I see Hrotha's identical thread on the TESO forum got closed, thank god. Hopefully here too.
Over the last 15 years I have played many an mmorpg hosted in the US and had no detrimental effects whatsoever. It might have mattered in the mid 80's when I was using a 300 baud modem, but not these days when superfast broadband is so common. This thread is much ado about nothing and needs to be closed down.