I think that labor pots should still have 12 hr cooldowns, but Good lord people, just play the game and fork over some cash every once in awhile to support the game and you'll be fine...
I work and have a life outside of games, it is going to take me awhile to max my crafts. A long while. Maybe I want to buy some Labor Pots or subscribe for awhile to give me a boost and keep AA in business so that Free players can play 8-9 hours a day to be right where I am without spending a dime.
It is a game, not real life, if you are having fun, then that should be winning for you.
It's about principles and ethics! Something that left TRION long ago!
I can't do business with a company I cannot trust. I cannot trust TRION. They lost it with Defiance. And what they doing now with Archeage just confirms it even more. In what company they have become.
How such a deeply respected and highly regarded company could fall so low. Very dissapointing.
You expect these kind of practices with your run of the mill eastern F2P Companies putting out new trash every 6 months. Not from a company like TRION. Such a shame.
Yeah but at the same time, you are getting a AAA game, free. ESO I spend $50 and a sub. AA is a bargain in comparison. I am not saying TRION are saints, but AA is a good game and I am going to play it. Even if some guy spends his life savings on the game to be better than me. I am going to play it.
Hell even games like LOTRO and SWTOR you have to pay real $ to get to max level. Wildstar still has a box price and a sub. These games were all recycled MMOs and they cost more money to play than AA does.
Planetside 2 still fills maps during prime time and has a large playerbase and it is 2 years old now in a market filled with shooters. It is also arguably very P2Wish, but it is Free and Accessible and the combonation of making money off certain individuals while opening the game up to everyone is what keeps it going.
Now Playing: Bless / Summoners War Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
I think after reading these two things, I am not all wound up anymore.
1. Here is what Community Manager also stated (Scapes)
"For more details, here's the Archeum Supply Crate tooltip: "Includes a variety of consumables, components, and regrade items, with a bonus chance of archeum. Rumor has it the legendary pack-donkey, Carrot Dash, can occasionally be found within!""
2. The drop rate of Sunlight Archeum has been increased, and we will be evaluating the levels of Sunlight, Moonlight, and Starlight Archeum for further drop rate adjustments.
3. Lastly, it is just a game, and I will have fun no matter what. Could care less if folks want to spend their personal money on stuff.
I think after reading these two things, I am not all wound up anymore.
1. Here is what Community Manager also stated (Scapes)
"For more details, here's the Archeum Supply Crate tooltip: "Includes a variety of consumables, components, and regrade items, with a bonus chance of archeum. Rumor has it the legendary pack-donkey, Carrot Dash, can occasionally be found within!""
2. The drop rate of Sunlight Archeum has been increased, and we will be evaluating the levels of Sunlight, Moonlight, and Starlight Archeum for further drop rate adjustments.
3. Lastly, it is just a game, and I will have fun no matter what. Could care less if folks want to spend their personal money on stuff.
TRION's damage control engine at it's finest.
The community manager will be getting an end of year bonus from Mr. Dick Trempsey this year, if he manages to make people believe that shit. And I guess it's working on some already. /shrug
I see most of the complains about addition of The Archeum Supply Crate
What is that?
Archeum Supply Crate tooltip: "Includes a variety of consumables, components, and regrade items, with a bonus chance of archeum. Rumor has it the legendary pack-donkey, Carrot Dash, can occasionally be found within!"
Bwahahaha sounds like the PWE lockboxes.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Trion probably paid a crap load of money to XL Games to publish in the west and the shareholders want to see that money recouped as quick as possible... it's a business not a charity so what do you all expect.
People should undestand one thing: ¨MMOs are not free¨, ¨Games are not free¨. Companies and Devs create games to EARN money, thats how the MMO world Works and F2P games are the best way to do that, where the guy who spend more money will have more things and faster that you.
and that's the sticking point - you can buy something someone else had to work for. You buying power in the real world shouldn't reflect in the game - what should be reflected in the game is the work you put into getting there. Everyone has the same amount of time in any given day, what you do with that time is your choice but everyone has a fair shot at it because we all have 24 hours in a day.
When gamers are screaming for f2p and these games give you that they still have to make money. Most players are like hit and run drivers so asking them to spend out of the feeling that the game is deserving of some cash is naive and stupid. So they find ways to make you spend the money you should be spending supporting them. However when it includes games where I am also paying a subscription that is damn low unless it is cosmetic or everything available in cash shop is also in game. Well you know what they say about be afraid of getting what you asked for. Here is the future of MMORPG.
Keep in mind I absolutely hate f2p, but I'll never understand why people think profiting from f2p is impressive or impacting the future of the industry. For example, swtor is viewed by many to be a hit because of the money they've made from their cash shop after the massive p2p flop, but fail to understand that the cash shop consumer base is based entirely around hungry individuals that will throw their money at the screen for additional enjoyment. Those are the people that they are trying to target with stuff like this. However, this is not the future of MMORPG. The whole reason they have to target the cash shop spenders is because they're not enough people that would be loyal to the sub model for these games.
People should undestand one thing: ¨MMOs are not free¨, ¨Games are not free¨. Companies and Devs create games to EARN money, thats how the MMO world Works and F2P games are the best way to do that, where the guy who spend more money will have more things and faster that you.
I think Valve is making a decent amount of money with DOTA2, without selling anything that has any effect on the gameplay.
Is a MOBA and DOTA, Like WoT or WT, thats another history. We are talking about MMOs.
Notice how I respect everyone's thoughts and don't try to degrade anyone in any way.
I was just pointing out what I saw as fact (From their own Release Notes and Manager Notes) and that I will play any games that I think I will have fun in.
I think that labor pots should still have 12 hr cooldowns, but Good lord people, just play the game and fork over some cash every once in awhile to support the game and you'll be fine...
I work and have a life outside of games, it is going to take me awhile to max my crafts. A long while. Maybe I want to buy some Labor Pots or subscribe for awhile to give me a boost and keep AA in business so that Free players can play 8-9 hours a day to be right where I am without spending a dime.
It is a game, not real life, if you are having fun, then that should be winning for you.
It's about principles and ethics! Something that went straight out of the door at TRION when Dick Trempsy came in!
I can't do business with a company I cannot trust. I cannot trust TRION. They lost it with Defiance. And what they doing now with Archeage just confirms it even more. In what company they have become.
How such a deeply respected and highly regarded company could fall so low. Very dissapointing.
You expect these kind of practices with your run of the mill eastern F2P Companies putting out new trash every 6 months. Not from a company like TRION. Such a shame.
Trion did a great job at fooling you for such a long time. It was clear what made them tick long before Rift was launched, but people kept buying their BS. Not that Trion is such a bad company (although, it is not such a great company to work for), but they spent way to much effort in making people believe they are something they are not; a company that listens to their players.
Welcome to MMORPG; where people hype a game 6 months to a year before release, then right before launch bash the hell out of it as if anyone knows what the end result will be like.
Now Playing: Bless / Summoners War Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
Welcome to MMORPG; where people hype a game 6 months to a year before release, then right before launch bash the hell out of it as if anyone knows what the end result will be like.
Or even matters if they play it or not.
All of this p2w crap has had no effect or change on the direction f the genre because the people complaining don't represent a significant portion of the paying population to change it.
ACT NOW!!!! You too can be a second class citizen for the low low price of only $15 a month patron status!!!!
Seriously i was looking forward to this game for so long. It had so much good. I tried the early alpha weekend or whatever, and right away red flags went up. While it wasn't danger danger will robinson yet, it had the potential to be. Sure enough those fears have come to be. My first line was a joke, but there is a lot of truth in it. A patron, a subscriber mind you, is now a second class citizen. SWTOR free model is absolutely horrible, but as least as a subscriber you're well taken care of. In AA not so much, you're at a severe disadvantage compared to someone who just keeps pouring money into Trion. This game is just as bad as any stereotypical asian P2W game, if not worse. I say worse because the promises they made to the initial $150 founders, then when they got their money, reversed on almost everything they told them. Thats illegal, thats lack of integrity, and someday a gamer will grow a set of nards and actually take a game company to court over business practices. For now, online gaming is still the wild wild west where companies control the laws. Won't be forever, and I look forward to that day.
Oh well I remember when I had respect for Trion when Rift first launched. How a company can become so unscrupulous so quickly I'll never know. What I wouldn't give for a company to take pride in their integrity.
Welcome to MMORPG; where people hype a game 6 months to a year before release, then right before launch bash the hell out of it as if anyone knows what the end result will be like.
From the videos linked i don't know how any of these changes could be good , people had already said the 12 hr potions could be abused. Don't think these additions where really needed ihmo . Also it's not just these forums but the official ones as well. Think it's people are just really disappointed tbh.
Welcome to MMORPG; where people hype a game 6 months to a year before release, then right before launch bash the hell out of it as if anyone knows what the end result will be like.
Or even matters if they play it or not.
All of this p2w crap has had no effect or change on the direction f the genre because the people complaining don't represent a significant portion of the paying population to change it.
Given that Archeage is a theme park game and was promised by the devs to not be P2W, I imagine a significant number of the population in terms of individual people will be complaining about this.
Given that there are likely quite a few people who will be paying THOUSANDS on these boxes and any other P2W aspects introduced into the cash shop, however, those people complaining are an insignificant portion of the paying population if you think of it in terms of dollars paid.
People should undestand one thing: ¨MMOs are not free¨, ¨Games are not free¨. Companies and Devs create games to EARN money, thats how the MMO world Works and F2P games are the best way to do that, where the guy who spend more money will have more things and faster that you.
Yes games need to make money. The problem (in my opinion) is when a game sets up a cash shop where EVEN IF you are paying them a monthly fee (which I am), you are still at a major disadvantage compared to people burning cash in the cash shop.
It should be "Free to play with cash shop purchases" OR "Patron status"....it shouldn't be "Pay us 15 bucks a month, oh and spend more money in the cash shop in order to level up and gear up faster!". That is just being greedy.
This is what happened to my beloved Wushu. It took about a year, but it did come.
And it will be the future of almost all MMORPGs. As long as gamers are willing to fork over the money, and in many cases they are, you will see sub + cash shop becoming the norm.
This is no longer a sub + cash shop then.
This is an outrageous hike of the standard sub fee. Most sub games charge a $15 fee per month (of course, there are monthly packs of a discounted rate). There are also B2P and F2P but those don't apply here.
This isn't raising the monthly to $17 or even $25. This is basically saying you can pay $15 or you can pay as much as you want and get an even better experience (depending on the price you choose of course).
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Yeah but at the same time, you are getting a AAA game, free. ESO I spend $50 and a sub. AA is a bargain in comparison. I am not saying TRION are saints, but AA is a good game and I am going to play it. Even if some guy spends his life savings on the game to be better than me. I am going to play it.
Hell even games like LOTRO and SWTOR you have to pay real $ to get to max level. Wildstar still has a box price and a sub. These games were all recycled MMOs and they cost more money to play than AA does.
Planetside 2 still fills maps during prime time and has a large playerbase and it is 2 years old now in a market filled with shooters. It is also arguably very P2Wish, but it is Free and Accessible and the combonation of making money off certain individuals while opening the game up to everyone is what keeps it going.
Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
I think after reading these two things, I am not all wound up anymore.
1. Here is what Community Manager also stated (Scapes)
"For more details, here's the Archeum Supply Crate tooltip: "Includes a variety of consumables, components, and regrade items, with a bonus chance of archeum. Rumor has it the legendary pack-donkey, Carrot Dash, can occasionally be found within!""
2. The drop rate of Sunlight Archeum has been increased, and we will be evaluating the levels of Sunlight, Moonlight, and Starlight Archeum for further drop rate adjustments.
3. Lastly, it is just a game, and I will have fun no matter what. Could care less if folks want to spend their personal money on stuff.
Someone opened up 13 of those chests here:
http://www.reddit.com/r/archeage/comments/2fh04m/just_opened_13_archeum_chests/
How bad are these archeum chests? Does it make it P2W or dangerously close to it?
TRION's damage control engine at it's finest.
The community manager will be getting an end of year bonus from Mr. Dick Trempsey this year, if he manages to make people believe that shit. And I guess it's working on some already. /shrug
GREED OVER GAMEPLAY!!
The initial alpha was actually a pretty good game..
- I agree nui tears was redundant and replacing with gildas would make gildas more desirable therefore improving the game.
- Labor points seems not recover when offline and maybe a 10-15% increase was needed
- Was lame that you had to be constantly making a new fishing pole and it had a timer rather than decaying.
- Leveling was pretty much unnecessary and prevent certain zones for having content for high level players and vice-versa
- Quests were too themepark and lacked creativity(but the world allow to make some interesting quests)
- Guilds lacked tools like a mass mail system and an event planner.
- Some if not most of the food was not important
- Lack of farming and housing plots, there are way too few and you should be able to have instance housing like EQ 2 in major cities.
But I could live even with most of these problems I just wanted to have a affordable subscription and F2P that did not destroyed the economy.
Mass spam them at :
Email
communications@trionworld.com
Phone Number
650.631.9800
I already send one email asking to remove Archeum from the store.
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Bwahahaha sounds like the PWE lockboxes.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
I am just pointing out what was already in the Release notes and what he stated.
If you don't like the game don't play it, and no one is forcing anyone to buy these products.
Like it or not this is the state of MMO's in the Market, I guess we will all have to adapt, or move on to something else.
and that's the sticking point - you can buy something someone else had to work for. You buying power in the real world shouldn't reflect in the game - what should be reflected in the game is the work you put into getting there. Everyone has the same amount of time in any given day, what you do with that time is your choice but everyone has a fair shot at it because we all have 24 hours in a day.
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World War II Online
Is a MOBA and DOTA, Like WoT or WT, thats another history. We are talking about MMOs.
Notice how I respect everyone's thoughts and don't try to degrade anyone in any way.
I was just pointing out what I saw as fact (From their own Release Notes and Manager Notes) and that I will play any games that I think I will have fun in.
Hope you find a game you like.
PS: I am an American and Proud of it.
That's right, as with everything coming from Trion you can always wait 3-6 month and get it for free in a promotion of a third party company.
first i was happy that trion was the publisher for AA..
currently while open beta.. its going the wrong way..
I can only guess what's next for the cashshop.. but this doesn't look good.
Crafting materials and so forth.. labor potions with 4 hours cc now.. this is defo going into p2w.
Such a shame. because its a good game.. but the company is getting to greedy
Trion did a great job at fooling you for such a long time. It was clear what made them tick long before Rift was launched, but people kept buying their BS. Not that Trion is such a bad company (although, it is not such a great company to work for), but they spent way to much effort in making people believe they are something they are not; a company that listens to their players.
It takes one to know one.
Welcome to MMORPG; where people hype a game 6 months to a year before release, then right before launch bash the hell out of it as if anyone knows what the end result will be like.
Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
Or even matters if they play it or not.
All of this p2w crap has had no effect or change on the direction f the genre because the people complaining don't represent a significant portion of the paying population to change it.
ACT NOW!!!! You too can be a second class citizen for the low low price of only $15 a month patron status!!!!
Seriously i was looking forward to this game for so long. It had so much good. I tried the early alpha weekend or whatever, and right away red flags went up. While it wasn't danger danger will robinson yet, it had the potential to be. Sure enough those fears have come to be. My first line was a joke, but there is a lot of truth in it. A patron, a subscriber mind you, is now a second class citizen. SWTOR free model is absolutely horrible, but as least as a subscriber you're well taken care of. In AA not so much, you're at a severe disadvantage compared to someone who just keeps pouring money into Trion. This game is just as bad as any stereotypical asian P2W game, if not worse. I say worse because the promises they made to the initial $150 founders, then when they got their money, reversed on almost everything they told them. Thats illegal, thats lack of integrity, and someday a gamer will grow a set of nards and actually take a game company to court over business practices. For now, online gaming is still the wild wild west where companies control the laws. Won't be forever, and I look forward to that day.
Oh well I remember when I had respect for Trion when Rift first launched. How a company can become so unscrupulous so quickly I'll never know. What I wouldn't give for a company to take pride in their integrity.
Trion's just copying Anet's "Nerf the loot, oh, and buy gold from our cash shop!".
Now, if Trion, Anet & EA were to merge... We could have the evilest, greediest mega corp. even! /darkside pts +10,000!
No trials. No tricks. No traps. No EU-RP server. NO THANKS!
...10% Benevolence, 90% Arrogance in my case!
From the videos linked i don't know how any of these changes could be good
, people had already said the 12 hr potions could be abused. Don't think these additions where really needed ihmo . Also it's not just these forums but the official ones as well. Think it's people are just really disappointed tbh.
Given that Archeage is a theme park game and was promised by the devs to not be P2W, I imagine a significant number of the population in terms of individual people will be complaining about this.
Given that there are likely quite a few people who will be paying THOUSANDS on these boxes and any other P2W aspects introduced into the cash shop, however, those people complaining are an insignificant portion of the paying population if you think of it in terms of dollars paid.
This is no longer a sub + cash shop then.
This is an outrageous hike of the standard sub fee. Most sub games charge a $15 fee per month (of course, there are monthly packs of a discounted rate). There are also B2P and F2P but those don't apply here.
This isn't raising the monthly to $17 or even $25. This is basically saying you can pay $15 or you can pay as much as you want and get an even better experience (depending on the price you choose of course).
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