Watching the bitter crowd vent here is, well, sort of amusing. A lot of people really wanted this game to fail. They talked it down among themselves, convinced each other that it was doomed...
And it's still here, still doing fine, and doing all of this even though they trash-talked it to kingdom come. And it sticks in their craw.
Good.
Well, I think for most of those folks they believe that it did fail, (by whatever criteria they are using to measure success) so they aren't really unhappy, they are gloating.
Ha!! mmorpg.com users criteria. If i go by that ..every single MMO is failure and we have nothing left to play.
Watching the bitter crowd vent here is, well, sort of amusing. A lot of people really wanted this game to fail. They talked it down among themselves, convinced each other that it was doomed...
And it's still here, still doing fine, and doing all of this even though they trash-talked it to kingdom come. And it sticks in their craw.
Good.
Well, I think for most of those folks they believe that it did fail, (by whatever criteria they are using to measure success) so they aren't really unhappy, they are gloating.
You're absolutely right. Never underestimate people's resourcefulness when it comes to telling themselves what they want to hear.
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ESO was the game that I looked forward most this year, waited over a year for it, but also the game that hurt me the most.
It wasnt all the bugs, bots, lag, server downtime, frozen startup screens. It is as simple as this, it isnt an ES game.
I have 1395 hours in Skyrim, and a lot of hours in Oblivion but in this mess of a game I only reached lvl 42 and stopped playing.
Im still mad how they messed this up so bad, and I belive Im not the only one. 12 mill Skyrim games sold, 5 mill ESO beta accounts, this could have been the best MMO of them all.
Its a booring, grinding single player game, with a PVP feature.
I hope they somehow will get a return of investment, because I really want to play the next ES game from Bethesda. But until then there are better games where I will invest my time and money.
Watching the bitter crowd vent here is, well, sort of amusing. A lot of people really wanted this game to fail. They talked it down among themselves, convinced each other that it was doomed...
And it's still here, still doing fine, and doing all of this even though they trash-talked it to kingdom come. And it sticks in their craw.
No, we wanted it to be a good game, and we are mourning it.
It really does , i have just returned after i had left 3 weeks after launch very dissapointed , They have done a great job fixing this game so far and i am really enjoying my return and see myself playing for the foreseeable future....
No, it really doesn't, not yet anyways. As I said in another post there's still too many issues with the game. Stamina builds still suck. Trials suck. There's very little incentive to group. The skill system is lacking. There's still bugs that just don't seem to disappear (like the first person floating weapon bug). I played ESO from launch for about 2 months, quit, came back to ESO for 1.4 and was again disappointed. I may yet give one final chance but it won't be for a while, and if I do, I'm going to be sure they've at least attempted to address these major design flaws.
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Time to move on ^^ we are talking about ESO now no ESO at launch (where there were indeed issues). I bought the game on launch and actually got a refund, however I bought the game again and it's pretty solid, and does feel like a elder scrolls single player/MMO hybrid.
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Playing it again and enjoy it very much. The Veteran Rank content is now much easier and quicker to run through. Craglorn has been a very interesing place so far. The story behind the zone is very nice and finally grouping is required to finish the challenging multi step quest lines. I enjoy it.
Originally posted by Asariasha Playing it again and enjoy it very much. The Veteran Rank content is now much easier and quicker to run through. Craglorn has been a very interesing place so far. The story behind the zone is very nice and finally grouping is required to finish the challenging multi step quest lines. I enjoy it.
Glad you are enjoying yourself.
I never left, though I am very casual, just don't have the time to put into it. I really do think it's the best MMO out there and I'm sure my taste is quite different from others. I play ESO, SWTOR, and TSW, these 3 games keep my sci-fi, horror/mystery, and fantasy completely covered. No I don't play all at the same time, not time for that, but it's my general rotation of games.
I really do wish they would give RVR a "reason"..........it's fun here and there, just not rewarding. How about some relics? Yes, I'm referring to DAOC, but giving your realm a 25% experience bonus for holding a relic would certainly add some serious incentive.
Originally posted by Bladestrom Mourn? do to 'mourn' when you don't like a new music album or film comes out you don't like?
If it prevents a decent album or movie from coming out, then yes. This game is like the Avengers franchise being taken over by an art-house studio who turn it into a homosexual love story between Captain America and Hawkeye.
Originally posted by Bladestrom The game is good If it is enjoyed by its customers.
OK, let's use that logic for a minute:
I bought the game, therefore I am a customer, and since I didn't enjoy it, the game must not be good.
It still hasn't solved it's biggest problem, and the reason that I and many others quit and want nothing to do with it.
It's still a single player game with lousy group incentives, and no community.
Yes. A MMORPG created from a Single Player RPG that was never meant for a group or a community. I can see exactly where the problem is even though I couldn't put my finger on the problem until now. Something ate at the back of my brain about ESO, something told me it was going to have it rough with many problems and that nagging feeling of wrongness was reason number two why I chose not to try ESO. ES games should always be single player because it's world was made completely around the concept of single player only. I don't know why something so simple to grasp never occurred to me until now.
Reason number one why I would not try ESO is that it's a Zenimax game... a different discussion and I won't elaborate on that now.
I do hope my friend who plays ESO and all the rest of you who play may you enjoy the game as it is, and I hope it continues to get better for the Players.
Best Graphics, Best Combat, Best World, Best Character Customization, Best NPC Voice's, Best Dungeons and Best Questing
Best dungeons? I mean the rest of the things could be discussed but ESOs dungeons are horrid. The best dungeons probably still belong to Everquest.
ESO is not a bad game and it looks good but there is still a lot to fix even if Zenimax done a pretty good job so far.
I am not saying best dungeos of all time. Lineage 2 gets that award from me. I am talking about recently released mmos. No game beats ESO in everything I stated.
Code jack 10 points for really really trying hard to twist my words into something you can argue with. Eso customer pay a sub, customer as I. Present tense. And in the real world people a) do not mourn a film or music album they don't like, and 2) if they did whine about it, that does not mean it is bad music, it's just not to your taste,
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Best Graphics, Best Combat, Best World, Best Character Customization, Best NPC Voice's, Best Dungeons and Best Questing
Best dungeons? I mean the rest of the things could be discussed but ESOs dungeons are horrid. The best dungeons probably still belong to Everquest.
ESO is not a bad game and it looks good but there is still a lot to fix even if Zenimax done a pretty good job so far.
Compared to my two most recent MMOs of GW2 and Aion, I love ESO's instanced group dungeons. The bosses have fun mechanics, they have cool quest stories when you listen to them rather than just click through them, and the artwork in every dungeon is fantastic.
I never played Everquest, so perhaps in comparison it might have better dungeons than ESO, but I've been quite pleased with ESO's dungeons and unlike my previous MMOs I don't loathe having to repeat them.
Are you sure you were referring to ESO's dungeons rather than its delves? People frequently mix up the two
Best Graphics, Best Combat, Best World, Best Character Customization, Best NPC Voice's, Best Dungeons and Best Questing
Best dungeons? I mean the rest of the things could be discussed but ESOs dungeons are horrid. The best dungeons probably still belong to Everquest.
ESO is not a bad game and it looks good but there is still a lot to fix even if Zenimax done a pretty good job so far.
The Vet dungeons are tight - probably the most interesting group challenges in a MMO that I can remember since EQ1. The regular group dungeons, at level, are also really solid. You don't have a strong incentive to repeat them, but that's a very different issue from having them be "horrid".
Also note that the delves are steadily being expanded as well, with branching quests and more varied geography. They've implemented this in the higher level ones and are streadily marching through the zones with the updates.
Originally posted by Bladestrom Eso customer pay a sub, customer as I. Present tense.
Ha! So, anyone who stops playing just doesn't count? In that case, every game has 100% support! If they don't like it, they stop playing, which makes this a useless measure of anything.
Originally posted by Bladestrom And in the real world people a) do not mourn a film or music album they don't like,
Ask me about Ender's Game, some time.
Originally posted by Bladestrom 2) if they did whine about it, that does not mean it is bad music, it's just not to your taste,
And so your logical contortions continue; by that standard, there is no basis by which to judge anything.
Compared to my two most recent MMOs of GW2 and Aion, I love ESO's instanced group dungeons. The bosses have fun mechanics, they have cool quest stories when you listen to them rather than just click through them, and the artwork in every dungeon is fantastic.
I never played Everquest, so perhaps in comparison it might have better dungeons than ESO, but I've been quite pleased with ESO's dungeons and unlike my previous MMOs I don't loathe having to repeat them.
I know it's a little old, but it still gets regular new content; go try DDO's dungeons, some of which are basically impossible without a rogue-type to disable real, meaningful traps, etc.
The only thing ESO has on DDO is graphics, and that's only because it is newer.
Best Graphics, Best Combat, Best World, Best Character Customization, Best NPC Voice's, Best Dungeons and Best Questing
Best dungeons? I mean the rest of the things could be discussed but ESOs dungeons are horrid. The best dungeons probably still belong to Everquest.
ESO is not a bad game and it looks good but there is still a lot to fix even if Zenimax done a pretty good job so far.
I am not saying best dungeos of all time. Lineage 2 gets that award from me. I am talking about recently released mmos. No game beats ESO in everything I stated.
Good thing we live in a world where i can completely reject your opinion.
I love ESO. I've played it as I have all MMO's over the years I've enjoyed. Pretty much as a single player till hitting level cap. Then I get involved with group/guild stuff. Love the story. Love how the game plays, looks. Combat is a blast. Maybe after I hit level cap (currently at lvl 40 on main) I will feel differently.
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Ha!! mmorpg.com users criteria. If i go by that ..every single MMO is failure and we have nothing left to play.
You're absolutely right. Never underestimate people's resourcefulness when it comes to telling themselves what they want to hear.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Well the answer for me is no.
ESO was the game that I looked forward most this year, waited over a year for it, but also the game that hurt me the most.
It wasnt all the bugs, bots, lag, server downtime, frozen startup screens. It is as simple as this, it isnt an ES game.
I have 1395 hours in Skyrim, and a lot of hours in Oblivion but in this mess of a game I only reached lvl 42 and stopped playing.
Im still mad how they messed this up so bad, and I belive Im not the only one. 12 mill Skyrim games sold, 5 mill ESO beta accounts, this could have been the best MMO of them all.
Its a booring, grinding single player game, with a PVP feature.
I hope they somehow will get a return of investment, because I really want to play the next ES game from Bethesda. But until then there are better games where I will invest my time and money.
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No, we wanted it to be a good game, and we are mourning it.
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Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
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Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
Glad you are enjoying yourself.
I never left, though I am very casual, just don't have the time to put into it. I really do think it's the best MMO out there and I'm sure my taste is quite different from others. I play ESO, SWTOR, and TSW, these 3 games keep my sci-fi, horror/mystery, and fantasy completely covered. No I don't play all at the same time, not time for that, but it's my general rotation of games.
I really do wish they would give RVR a "reason"..........it's fun here and there, just not rewarding. How about some relics? Yes, I'm referring to DAOC, but giving your realm a 25% experience bonus for holding a relic would certainly add some serious incentive.
If it prevents a decent album or movie from coming out, then yes. This game is like the Avengers franchise being taken over by an art-house studio who turn it into a homosexual love story between Captain America and Hawkeye.
OK, let's use that logic for a minute:
I bought the game, therefore I am a customer, and since I didn't enjoy it, the game must not be good.
Yes. A MMORPG created from a Single Player RPG that was never meant for a group or a community. I can see exactly where the problem is even though I couldn't put my finger on the problem until now. Something ate at the back of my brain about ESO, something told me it was going to have it rough with many problems and that nagging feeling of wrongness was reason number two why I chose not to try ESO. ES games should always be single player because it's world was made completely around the concept of single player only. I don't know why something so simple to grasp never occurred to me until now.
Reason number one why I would not try ESO is that it's a Zenimax game... a different discussion and I won't elaborate on that now.
I do hope my friend who plays ESO and all the rest of you who play may you enjoy the game as it is, and I hope it continues to get better for the Players.
Best dungeons? I mean the rest of the things could be discussed but ESOs dungeons are horrid. The best dungeons probably still belong to Everquest.
ESO is not a bad game and it looks good but there is still a lot to fix even if Zenimax done a pretty good job so far.
I am not saying best dungeos of all time. Lineage 2 gets that award from me. I am talking about recently released mmos. No game beats ESO in everything I stated.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
Compared to my two most recent MMOs of GW2 and Aion, I love ESO's instanced group dungeons. The bosses have fun mechanics, they have cool quest stories when you listen to them rather than just click through them, and the artwork in every dungeon is fantastic.
I never played Everquest, so perhaps in comparison it might have better dungeons than ESO, but I've been quite pleased with ESO's dungeons and unlike my previous MMOs I don't loathe having to repeat them.
Are you sure you were referring to ESO's dungeons rather than its delves? People frequently mix up the two
The Vet dungeons are tight - probably the most interesting group challenges in a MMO that I can remember since EQ1. The regular group dungeons, at level, are also really solid. You don't have a strong incentive to repeat them, but that's a very different issue from having them be "horrid".
Also note that the delves are steadily being expanded as well, with branching quests and more varied geography. They've implemented this in the higher level ones and are streadily marching through the zones with the updates.
Ha! So, anyone who stops playing just doesn't count? In that case, every game has 100% support! If they don't like it, they stop playing, which makes this a useless measure of anything.
Ask me about Ender's Game, some time.
And so your logical contortions continue; by that standard, there is no basis by which to judge anything.
I know it's a little old, but it still gets regular new content; go try DDO's dungeons, some of which are basically impossible without a rogue-type to disable real, meaningful traps, etc.
The only thing ESO has on DDO is graphics, and that's only because it is newer.
Good thing we live in a world where i can completely reject your opinion.
EU servers are in Europe for months now.
That was for like 2 months, but yeah they probably should of started with them there...
I love ESO. I've played it as I have all MMO's over the years I've enjoyed. Pretty much as a single player till hitting level cap. Then I get involved with group/guild stuff. Love the story. Love how the game plays, looks. Combat is a blast. Maybe after I hit level cap (currently at lvl 40 on main) I will feel differently.
YMMV