Originally posted by AlBQuirky Definitely lala land. You really have no clue about how life works, Gdemami? Really
Do I?
Enlighten me then... How can you choose to live in 4BR house on 4 acres while you cannot do anything about your income? How do you afford to live in such house then?
Originally posted by nariusseldon There is no way in hell that everyone can play 10 hours of games everyday, particularly for those who have 8 hours job. Are you seriously telling me that there is a choice of not going to work and play games?
Of course there is a choice. If you choose to flip burgers for 4 hours a day, you can easily play games for 10 hours. But most do not choose this way. EVERYONE has that choice, though, unless they are physically or mentally unable to flip burgers.
You said it yourself: Some are able to do so. Why not you? Because you chose to focus on work instead of play. But now, you want to "catch up to" to those who chose to focus on play. Your loss. Live with it instead of "demanding" equality.
Since some players focus on play, should they "demand" that they be compensated the same as players who focus on work? The true test: reverse the situation. Kind of silly put this way isn't it?
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
Originally posted by nariusseldon There is no way in hell that everyone can play 10 hours of games everyday, particularly for those who have 8 hours job. Are you seriously telling me that there is a choice of not going to work and play games?
Of course there is a choice. If you choose to flip burgers for 4 hours a day, you can easily play games for 10 hours. But most do not choose this way. EVERYONE has that choice, though, unless they are physically or mentally unable to flip burgers.
You said it yourself: Some are able to do so. Why not you? Because you chose to focus on work instead of play. But now, you want to "catch up to" to those who chose to focus on play. Your loss. Live with it instead of "demanding" equality.
Since some players focus on play, should they "demand" that they be compensated the same as players who focus on work? The true test: reverse the situation. Kind of silly put this way isn't it?
Some how you think that time is more valuable then money with respect to games. I'm quite sure that companies that sell the games do not share your view. So no you don't have to "live with it" because money talks. No real demand is needed just the quite suggestion that you will pay more for the service.
Originally posted by nariusseldon There is no way in hell that everyone can play 10 hours of games everyday, particularly for those who have 8 hours job. Are you seriously telling me that there is a choice of not going to work and play games?
Of course there is a choice. If you choose to flip burgers for 4 hours a day, you can easily play games for 10 hours. But most do not choose this way. EVERYONE has that choice, though, unless they are physically or mentally unable to flip burgers.
You said it yourself: Some are able to do so. Why not you? Because you chose to focus on work instead of play. But now, you want to "catch up to" to those who chose to focus on play. Your loss. Live with it instead of "demanding" equality.
Since some players focus on play, should they "demand" that they be compensated the same as players who focus on work? The true test: reverse the situation. Kind of silly put this way isn't it?
Damnit, you beat me to it!!!! Ok, now that you went all philosophical, I feel like your avatar matches much better.
This is the same talk I have with my kids all the time. If I tell them to go to bed and they don't, then they've consciously decided to disobey me, so if I take their game system or ipad, or computer away from them, it's not my fault. If you murder someone in cold blood, what do you think will happen? We know what'll happen, you'll go to jail or, worse, be executed. It's still a choice though, and there could be good, or not so good, reasons behind it. Maybe I choose to rob a bank so I can get that 4 bedroom home on 4 acres. It's not to say there isn't risk involved and I will have to suffer the consequences of my actions, but I do have a choice.
Originally posted by AlBQuirkySince some players focus on play, should they "demand" that they be compensated the same as players who focus on work? The true test: reverse the situation. Kind of silly put this way isn't it?
Irony to read on these boards...full of outcries about P2W, cash shops and how suits are ruining the industry which is nothing more than described above - players focusing on play who demand that no other focus should be allowed.
Originally posted by AlBQuirky Definitely lala land. You really have no clue about how life works, Gdemami? Really
Do I?Enlighten me then... How can you choose to live in 4BR house on 4 acres while you cannot do anything about your income? How do you afford to live in such house then?
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Instead of trying to nitpick insignificant details, try looking at the message as a whole.
If you choose to live in a 4BR house on 4 acres, I think you know that one does not just get a key and move in. Maybe you do not know this?
First, you have to BUY the house you choose to live in. This choice, in turn affects how much money you will need to obtain the choice in where to live.
I take the blame for this misunderstanding, thinking everyone who can write on a message board understood the basic principles of life.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
Originally posted by AlBQuirky Since some players focus on play, should they "demand" that they be compensated the same as players who focus on work? The true test: reverse the situation. Kind of silly put this way isn't it?
Irony to read on these boards...full of outcries about P2W, cash shops and how suits are ruining the industry which is nothing more than described above - players focusing on play who demand that no other focus should be allowed.
Games are play. Entertainment. Hobbies. Why on earth does there need to be "equality through cash" present? Is it sooooo important to people who do not have time to play and entertain themselves to be equal to those that DO have the time?
Still looks silly to me.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
Originally posted by AlBQuirky First, you have to BUY the house you choose to live in. This choice, in turn affects how much money you will need to obtain the choice in where to live.
but...but...but you said there is no choice how much you will make after your graduation?
Originally posted by Muntz Some how you think that time is more valuable then money with respect to games. I'm quite sure that companies that sell the games do not share your view. So no you don't have to "live with it" because money talks. No real demand is needed just the quite suggestion that you will pay more for the service.
Of course time is more valuable then money in games; entertainment; play. Of course businesses will disagree.
MMOs made money prior to cash shops. Remember buying a box for an MMO, paying $15 every month you wanted to play, and every expansion they released?
Go back further: Remember paying by the hour through AOL or CompuServe AND paying the the games played, too?
Even further: Remember paying the phone company (long distance charges), the BBS, AND the game for time played?
Cash shops? Pure greed.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
Originally posted by Gdemami but...but...but you said there is no choice how much you will make after your graduation?
So how do you buy that house again...?
Both statement can't be true.
Are you making as much as you choose to right now?
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
Pay2Win is something I've only encountered in Korean MMOS like Cabal Online, where you can buy extremely overpowered armor or experience points in the cash shop. This armor gives you incredible power that can otherwise not be obtained elsewhere, and makes you a demigod of sorts.
However the term also carries other meaning for me, it's something people scream about on this site at the top of their lungs when they want to bitch and moan. Which is all they want to do, I'm pretty sure they troll this site more than they play MMOs. At this point it's as meaningless as the "WOW IS DEAD! WOW IS DEAD! IT'S ALL OVER! WE'RE ALL DONE! MMOs ARE DEAD! THIS EXPANSION RUINED EVERYTHING! I QUITE! I UNSUBSCRIBE! THAT'S IT [insert developer] I'VE HAD IT!"
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Originally posted by AlBQuirky Games are play. Entertainment. Hobbies. Why on earth does there need to be "equality through cash" present? Is it sooooo important to people who do not have time to play and entertain themselves to be equal to those that DO have the time?Still looks silly to me.
No, it is not important for people who have the money. But as I pointed out, it is important to you, who has time - it is you complaining about P2W, cash shop or w/e.
If your time resources are limited you seek out for ways how to achieve things with resources you have plenty - money. And people with money do not care about people like you, they can go elsewhere, they are always welcomed since it is stupid for business to ignore people who are willing to give you money.
Cash shops are no greed, it's a business - supply meeting demand.
In ALL of these choices, there is only 24 hours in which to accomplish one's goals. No more. No less. Nobody has 26 hours or 10 hours. "Usable" is another word for "choices" in this instance.
Are you "forced" to live in the suburbs or an apartment? Are you "forced" to make X amount of money a year? Are you "forced" to drive the latest car? Are you forced to eat 3 times a day? Or is it "comfortable?" No. You make decisions, aka: choices.
Now money... I do not recall being given the choice on how much I wanted to make after graduation, and all that that entails. Did you?
So "to make X amount of money a year" is a "choice", but "how much (money) you wanted to make after graduation" is not?
Not to nitpick.. but.. what?
Why don't you have a choice after graduation? You can choose to go freelance, found an own company, get a job with less hours, train in a completely different field of work, etc, etc. If you have job with fixed hours and income, it was your choice to apply for it and take it.
Or did your post contain a big typo and the following page of insult filled ones is just a big misunderstanding?
In ALL of these choices, there is only 24 hours in which to accomplish one's goals. No more. No less. Nobody has 26 hours or 10 hours. "Usable" is another word for "choices" in this instance.
Are you "forced" to live in the suburbs or an apartment? Are you "forced" to make X amount of money a year? Are you "forced" to drive the latest car? Are you forced to eat 3 times a day? Or is it "comfortable?" No. You make decisions, aka: choices.
Now money... I do not recall being given the choice on how much I wanted to make after graduation, and all that that entails. Did you?
So "to make X amount of money a year" is a "choice", but "how much (money) you wanted to make after graduation" is not?
Not to nitpick.. but.. what?
Why don't you have a choice after graduation? You can choose to go freelance, found an own company, get a job with less hours, train in a completely different field of work, etc, etc. If you have job with fixed hours and income, it was your choice to apply for it and take it.
Or did your post contain a big typo and the following page of insult filled ones is just a big misunderstanding?
I'm similarly lost, it sounds like they're both making the same argument, but I'm not sure any more. Take a look at Mark Zuckerberg. There are plenty of examples like him, who are rich. If you don't think that they chose that for themselves, then you're crazy.
Originally posted by AlBQuirky Games are play. Entertainment. Hobbies. Why on earth does there need to be "equality through cash" present? Is it sooooo important to people who do not have time to play and entertain themselves to be equal to those that DO have the time?Still looks silly to me.
No, it is not important for people who have the money. But as I pointed out, it is important to you, who has time - it is you complaining about P2W, cash shop or w/e.If your time resources are limited you seek out for ways how to achieve things with resources you have plenty - money. And people with money do not care about people like you, they can go elsewhere, they are always welcomed since it is stupid for business to ignore people who are willing to give you money.Cash shops are no greed, it's a business - supply meeting demand.
And this is why games are a business first, not entertainment. Thank you for that
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
Originally posted by AlBQuirky In ALL of these choices, there is only 24 hours in which to accomplish one's goals. No more. No less. Nobody has 26 hours or 10 hours. "Usable" is another word for "choices" in this instance.Are you "forced" to live in the suburbs or an apartment? Are you "forced" to make X amount of money a year? Are you "forced" to drive the latest car? Are you forced to eat 3 times a day? Or is it "comfortable?" No. You make decisions, aka: choices.Now money... I do not recall being given the choice on how much I wanted to make after graduation, and all that that entails. Did you?
So "to make X amount of money a year" is a "choice", but "how much (money) you wanted to make after graduation" is not? Not to nitpick.. but.. what?Why don't you have a choice after graduation? You can choose to go freelance, found an own company, get a job with less hours, train in a completely different field of work, etc, etc. If you have job with fixed hours and income, it was your choice to apply for it and take it.Or did your post contain a big typo and the following page of insult filled ones is just a big misunderstanding?
I'll ask you what I asked who you are defending: Are you making as money as you choose right now?
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
Originally posted by Gdemami Originally posted by AlBQuirky Are you making as much as you choose to right now?
Of course I do, so is you and everyone else.
Really? I choose to make 10 mil a year. Why am I not?
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
Originally posted byAlBQuirky In ALL of these choices, there is only 24 hours in which to accomplish one's goals. No more. No less. Nobody has 26 hours or 10 hours. "Usable" is another word for "choices" in this instance.Are you "forced" to live in the suburbs or an apartment? Are you "forced" to make X amount of money a year? Are you "forced" to drive the latest car? Are you forced to eat 3 times a day? Or is it "comfortable?" No. You make decisions, aka: choices.Now money... I do not recall being given the choice on how much I wanted to make after graduation, and all that that entails. Did you?
So "to make X amount of money a year" is a "choice", but "how much (money) you wanted to make after graduation" is not?Not to nitpick.. but.. what?Why don't you have a choice after graduation? You can choose to go freelance, found an own company, get a job with less hours, train in a completely different field of work, etc, etc. If you have job with fixed hours and income, it was your choice to apply for it and take it.Or did your post contain a big typo and the following page of insult filled ones is just a big misunderstanding?
I'm similarly lost, it sounds like they're both making the same argument, but I'm not sure any more. Take a look at Mark Zuckerberg. There are plenty of examples like him, who are rich. If you don't think that they chose that for themselves, then you're crazy.
Ah... I see the confusion. My apologies.
You have a choice in careers, not money made. You can "set goals", but not the final numbers.
Start a business, you're at the mercy of your customers. Have a career and you are at the mercy of your bosses. Become the head of a big corporation and you may still have a board of directors to depend upon. One can NOT choose to make X money every year.
As for Gdemami's point, if one chooses to live in a 4BR house on 4 acres, one then goes and makes MORE choices in order to make that happen. Choices about what career, what salary is acceptable, how much overtime to work, and where they can cut other expenses to make it happen.
This whole thing has gone out of hand due to a bad attempt to take 2 insignificant examples and neglecting the big picture.
I believe both posters (Gaendric and Gdemami) knew exactly what I was getting at. Maybe I am wrong? Something about forest through the tress pops into my head here...
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
Originally posted by AlBQuirky Really? I choose to make 10 mil a year. Why am I not?
I guess you are mistaking a choice for wish - you wish to make that money but you choose not to make an effort.
I'll give you that. But what can I do "effortwise" to guarantee/choice I make 10 mil a year?
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
Originally posted by AlBQuirky Really? I choose to make 10 mil a year. Why am I not?
I guess you are mistaking a choice for wish - you wish to make that money but you choose not to make an effort.
I'll give you that. But what can I do "effortwise" to guarantee/choice I make 10 mil a year?
It doesn't matter, because it's an irrelevant extreme example in the first place.
Think it though:
You could apply the same tactic on the other side and say "I choose to live in the White House with the Buckingham Palace as summer residence, but I can not"
So if we stick with using extreme examples as valid arguments, your "everything is a choice, but money isn't" premise becomes obsolete.
If you agree that using extreme examples is bad in this case, the 10 mil argument from above just fell flat.
Originally posted by AlBQuirky Really? I choose to make 10 mil a year. Why am I not?
I guess you are mistaking a choice for wish - you wish to make that money but you choose not to make an effort.
I'll give you that. But what can I do "effortwise" to guarantee/choice I make 10 mil a year?
It doesn't matter, because it's an irrelevant extreme example in the first place.
Think it though:
You could apply the same tactic on the other side and say "I choose to live in the White House with the Buckingham Palace as summer residence, but I can not"
So if we stick with using extreme examples as valid arguments, your "everything is a choice, but money isn't" premise becomes obsolete.
If you agree that using extreme examples is bad in this case, the 10 mil argument from above just fell flat.
Wait, what about marring a royal and becoming president ? I can choose to try. Problem with any of this is it wont guarantee success.
Buying Stat or Power from anything that can't be found in the world. I.e. buying the Sword with 1000 DPS and the highest DPS sword you can find or craft is 900 DPS. Now if you can Find or Craft said 1k DPS Sword then to me buying it is not something I would do but it isn't pay to win.
That is it, period, end of story. No other definition is true.
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!
Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!
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Enlighten me then... How can you choose to live in 4BR house on 4 acres while you cannot do anything about your income? How do you afford to live in such house then?
You said it yourself: Some are able to do so. Why not you? Because you chose to focus on work instead of play. But now, you want to "catch up to" to those who chose to focus on play. Your loss. Live with it instead of "demanding" equality.
Since some players focus on play, should they "demand" that they be compensated the same as players who focus on work? The true test: reverse the situation. Kind of silly put this way isn't it?
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
Some how you think that time is more valuable then money with respect to games. I'm quite sure that companies that sell the games do not share your view. So no you don't have to "live with it" because money talks. No real demand is needed just the quite suggestion that you will pay more for the service.
Damnit, you beat me to it!!!! Ok, now that you went all philosophical, I feel like your avatar matches much better.
This is the same talk I have with my kids all the time. If I tell them to go to bed and they don't, then they've consciously decided to disobey me, so if I take their game system or ipad, or computer away from them, it's not my fault. If you murder someone in cold blood, what do you think will happen? We know what'll happen, you'll go to jail or, worse, be executed. It's still a choice though, and there could be good, or not so good, reasons behind it. Maybe I choose to rob a bank so I can get that 4 bedroom home on 4 acres. It's not to say there isn't risk involved and I will have to suffer the consequences of my actions, but I do have a choice.
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Irony to read on these boards...full of outcries about P2W, cash shops and how suits are ruining the industry which is nothing more than described above - players focusing on play who demand that no other focus should be allowed.
Instead of trying to nitpick insignificant details, try looking at the message as a whole.
If you choose to live in a 4BR house on 4 acres, I think you know that one does not just get a key and move in. Maybe you do not know this?
First, you have to BUY the house you choose to live in. This choice, in turn affects how much money you will need to obtain the choice in where to live.
I take the blame for this misunderstanding, thinking everyone who can write on a message board understood the basic principles of life.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
Still looks silly to me.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
but...but...but you said there is no choice how much you will make after your graduation?
So how do you buy that house again...?
Both statement can't be true.
MMOs made money prior to cash shops. Remember buying a box for an MMO, paying $15 every month you wanted to play, and every expansion they released?
Go back further: Remember paying by the hour through AOL or CompuServe AND paying the the games played, too?
Even further: Remember paying the phone company (long distance charges), the BBS, AND the game for time played?
Cash shops? Pure greed.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
Pay2Win is something I've only encountered in Korean MMOS like Cabal Online, where you can buy extremely overpowered armor or experience points in the cash shop. This armor gives you incredible power that can otherwise not be obtained elsewhere, and makes you a demigod of sorts.
However the term also carries other meaning for me, it's something people scream about on this site at the top of their lungs when they want to bitch and moan. Which is all they want to do, I'm pretty sure they troll this site more than they play MMOs. At this point it's as meaningless as the "WOW IS DEAD! WOW IS DEAD! IT'S ALL OVER! WE'RE ALL DONE! MMOs ARE DEAD! THIS EXPANSION RUINED EVERYTHING! I QUITE! I UNSUBSCRIBE! THAT'S IT [insert developer] I'VE HAD IT!"
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No, it is not important for people who have the money. But as I pointed out, it is important to you, who has time - it is you complaining about P2W, cash shop or w/e.
If your time resources are limited you seek out for ways how to achieve things with resources you have plenty - money. And people with money do not care about people like you, they can go elsewhere, they are always welcomed since it is stupid for business to ignore people who are willing to give you money.
Cash shops are no greed, it's a business - supply meeting demand.
So "to make X amount of money a year" is a "choice", but "how much (money) you wanted to make after graduation" is not?
Not to nitpick.. but.. what?
Why don't you have a choice after graduation? You can choose to go freelance, found an own company, get a job with less hours, train in a completely different field of work, etc, etc. If you have job with fixed hours and income, it was your choice to apply for it and take it.
Or did your post contain a big typo and the following page of insult filled ones is just a big misunderstanding?
Of course I do, so is you and everyone else.
I'm similarly lost, it sounds like they're both making the same argument, but I'm not sure any more. Take a look at Mark Zuckerberg. There are plenty of examples like him, who are rich. If you don't think that they chose that for themselves, then you're crazy.
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- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
It was always the case, did it take you so long to realize that?
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
Of course I do, so is you and everyone else.
Really? I choose to make 10 mil a year. Why am I not?
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
You have a choice in careers, not money made. You can "set goals", but not the final numbers.
Start a business, you're at the mercy of your customers. Have a career and you are at the mercy of your bosses. Become the head of a big corporation and you may still have a board of directors to depend upon. One can NOT choose to make X money every year.
As for Gdemami's point, if one chooses to live in a 4BR house on 4 acres, one then goes and makes MORE choices in order to make that happen. Choices about what career, what salary is acceptable, how much overtime to work, and where they can cut other expenses to make it happen.
This whole thing has gone out of hand due to a bad attempt to take 2 insignificant examples and neglecting the big picture.
I believe both posters (Gaendric and Gdemami) knew exactly what I was getting at. Maybe I am wrong? Something about forest through the tress pops into my head here...
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
I guess you are mistaking a choice for wish - you wish to make that money but you choose not to make an effort.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
It doesn't matter, because it's an irrelevant extreme example in the first place.
Think it though:
You could apply the same tactic on the other side and say "I choose to live in the White House with the Buckingham Palace as summer residence, but I can not"
So if we stick with using extreme examples as valid arguments, your "everything is a choice, but money isn't" premise becomes obsolete.
If you agree that using extreme examples is bad in this case, the 10 mil argument from above just fell flat.
Wait, what about marring a royal and becoming president ? I can choose to try. Problem with any of this is it wont guarantee success.
Buying Stat or Power from anything that can't be found in the world. I.e. buying the Sword with 1000 DPS and the highest DPS sword you can find or craft is 900 DPS. Now if you can Find or Craft said 1k DPS Sword then to me buying it is not something I would do but it isn't pay to win.
That is it, period, end of story. No other definition is true.
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!
Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!