Expansion: HoT overpriced for what you get?

Lobotomist · June 2015

Expansion is quite expensive because that is their main way of making money for the game. They have no subs or F2P pay to won shop.

However, that being said. I think the expansion is very little.

One new class , some little changes to the classes and one new area.

Its more of mini expansion.

observer · June 2015

Originally posted by Gestankfaust
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Salute
I play casually GW2 since launch and NEVER give a $ out of the initial box cost. I also am able to buy Gems with ingame gold, which makes it even better as i m allowed to buy Cash Shop items the same way that some1 who pays real money does. This isnt happening lets say in ESO (and other games ofc) where you cant buy Crowns with ingame gold, making Cash Shop items available only to those who spend real money.

So after 3 years and considering the above do you think HoT costs much? Im not even mentioning that a new player gets the original game for free.

I don't know what the value is yet, so it's hard to say, they haven't really opened the bag yet.

Is why you still have MANY people posting against you. I can't understand why this is still being talked about....

Because others won't accept the fact that other people value something differently. That's all Distopia is trying to convey, and people are getting upset by it, so they try to discredit him, and others, as being "entitled".

They refuse to stop responding, because in their eyes, HoT is worth whatever price tag NCSoft/Anet sets. If it were $199 for the standard version, i doubt anyone posting here would say it's fair. In fact, according to their logic, they should go in game, buy $50 worth of gems right now. They need to stop being entitled, and support Anet by this act of kindness. No more BS from you supporters. Go do it.

Distopia · June 2015

Originally posted by Gestankfaust
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Salute
I play casually GW2 since launch and NEVER give a $ out of the initial box cost. I also am able to buy Gems with ingame gold, which makes it even better as i m allowed to buy Cash Shop items the same way that some1 who pays real money does. This isnt happening lets say in ESO (and other games ofc) where you cant buy Crowns with ingame gold, making Cash Shop items available only to those who spend real money.

So after 3 years and considering the above do you think HoT costs much? Im not even mentioning that a new player gets the original game for free.

I don't know what the value is yet, so it's hard to say, they haven't really opened the bag yet.

Is why you still have MANY people posting against you. I can't understand why this is still being talked about....

I let it go then got called out.... or did you miss that? Torval decided to blame me for someone's confusion over what Eye was trying to say. With that said, Stone basically gave his interpretation I'm happy with that, stated my peace in response and I'm done. One more thing...be real the only reason people are posting against me is they perceived what I said to be a slight against A-net B2p or what have you, which it wasn't. This is the way of Gw2 discussion always has been.

MMOExposed · June 2015

The drama from all of this overshadowed the good news...

loulaki · June 2015

when you see Woodenpotato, the biggest fan of GuildWars, banishing their price policing, you know how far away they gone from their community ..

Salute · June 2015

Its very entertaining to see ppl who claimed a year ago that paying 80$ for the (P2P) ESO imperial edition was fair and now yelling about the 44.99$ that GW2 expansion costs, considering its a B2P game and its the first expansion after 3 years.

BrokenSilence · June 2015

Originally posted by Tiller
So, the expansion is up for preorder, but if you already own the game and have been playing for years you get nothing for $50. No extra character slots, nothing but a game we have no real info on other than a few small details. The forums are a flame in anger, people are vowing not to buy itwhile others feel the need to pay even more ($100 for the ultimate edition)....oh and if you are new, you get the base game.....lucky you......I was looking forward to it, now its like someone handed me a deflated balloon What did they offer up to remedy this? if you bought the base game recently you can get an upgrade for less, but if you have owned the game, screw you xD.....What a debacle.

Who told you that you can get an upgrade for less? From what I've been told by staff is you can't.

Amjoco · June 2015

Originally posted by MMOExposed
The drama from all of this overshadowed the good news...

I agree.

What happened to all those people who couldn't wait for an expansion and would pay just about anything for it. Now one is on our doorsteps and they quibble over the price. /shrug. Oh well, to me it looks like fun and I can't wait for the release as I do with every title that offers more content.

Amjoco · June 2015

Originally posted by loulaki
when you see Woodenpotato, the biggest fan of GuildWars, banishing their price policing, you know how far away they gone from their community ..

He didn't banish it one bit. It was a very solid review, and if you listen at about 16:30 he wraps it up by saying he was happy paying the $50. At about 9:20 he explains why some people think it is to high of a price for the expansion and why ANet probably went the way they did. Entire Video

Either way it all depends on your play style as if the expansion cost is worth it. Are you a person who plays games, or are you someone who try's to get through games?

parpin · June 2015

this is the biggest thread in mmorpg.com i have ever seen with 38 pages long..that being said..bill please close this hate thread already..enough is enough.

Rockard · June 2015

The tittle of the thread is a bit harsh.

I've already expressed my contempt to the Xpack pricing/bundling, and how Anet handled it.

Blatant cash grab and unskillful,oblivious marketing,yes, but robbery definitely not.

Given their previous history on a series of matters,and how these were handled by their PR

and marketers,I'd say welcome to Anet.The kings of fook ups and no f''ks given.

GW2,on a $ to time played ratio,and given the in game content,has probably the

friendliest to the customer business model of all the other AAA themparks.

But that doesn't justify what they do now with HoT.

For example,and because I see that people here like comparisons with other games,

this is an expansion with the same or less content than Rift's Nightmare Tide,and

that is given free to payers,with the option of buying packs in the form of collector's editions.

I assure you 99% of the players bought in those NT CEs and Trion made a lot of money,maybe

a lot more than they would have made if they simply put a price on the box.

That is smart marketing.

What would it cost really to Anet to put a character slot with the base pack?

Most players,me included are buying these for in game gold anyway.

Are they really in dire need of money that they have to nickel and dime their players

like that and cause all this shit storm?

Did they have to bundle the base game for new players,and not give something to veterans,

who will cover the cost of this offer by their needless and useless purchase of the base game too?

And please don't tell me the base game is free.Nothing is free.

Depreciated yes,last price was 10$.10$ is not free and that cost is being covered 100%.

In short terms.

WTB common sense.

Contact Anet at : Anet@we'vefookedupsomanytimesit'snotfunnyanymore.com

grimal · June 2015

What makes this thread so entertaining is that on one side you have thought out responses that are actually trying to have a discussion. On the other, you have incredibly fanatic individuals that keep embarrassing themselves over and over with their obvious ignorance and stupidity. No wonder this site has gone to shit.

eye_m · June 2015

Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Torval

I don't see that at all. He never actually said anything about back pay or depriving previous revenue. That's something Distopia injected into the conversation putting words in his mouth.

Originally he talked about cost of ownership over time. An account holder paid for GW2 3 years ago and now they're requiring $50 more dollars to play the xpac. Somehow Distopia got on this back pay bandwagon which made no sense.

The $50 is for the base game and the updates going forward. The $50 for the xpac is for the xpac and any included updates they might add to it.

The point being that after 3 years a game company asking for $50 for an xpac isn't an unreasonable proposition, especially when there is no required fee in the interim.

The base game has no explicit cost value in the xpac. It's a marketing perk to entice those who don't own the game at all to buy in without having to also purchase the base game. Really this internet rage is all about entitled veterans of a game. MMO veterans of an IP often feel entitled to special perks that acknowledge them. ESO did this with their B2P transition. Wildstar is doing so as well. Anet didn't do this with the xpac so some people feel they're not getting the special attention they feel they deserve, that they are entitled to. It's not that any of them give a damn about a base edition key that is essentially useless without the xpac. It's that they want a perk that sets them apart as special. This is what the core of the OP complaint really boils down to. Same with Dakeru and the "Make Amends" thread he opened. He even states outright that he feels entitled to a perk.

Go figure.

I asked him for clarification he implied I'm dumb, so yeah... Can you explain what he meant?

"All these people that are comparing the apples and oranges of expansion packs sure miss the big picture when it comes to GW2 don't they. Can't see the forest for all the trees I guess. GW2 since launch has added 3 more complete zones, and a score of consistent content updates as well. To such an extent that they drove up the very nature of content updates from other developers as well. When you are buying the expansion pack for GW2, do you really think it stops there? How blind are you to completely dismiss that? Seriously, what a slap in the face to disregard so much."

What is he saying? What does three years of patches have to do with an expansion's cost? Especially that last sentence. You have a lot of room to talk about putting words in peoples mouths btw...SMH and bandwagon no one else implied that?

I can't believe I have to explain things is such precise detail, but I guess I should expect that when I'm dealing with certain types.

Anet, the company trying to promote living story, introduces and area with a specific plan in place. There is a story that NEEDS to play out, not be dropped all at once. If you understood the concept of a story progression, I would expect that you would understand that. They can't just dump everything out and leave all the cards on the table because that would be fucking stupid. (wait, is that the correct term? YES it is)

So you don't know what all it entails, you don't know anything but the nibbles that they show you. Maybe they have the strategy that after 2 months of the new zones the story leads into another, and another. You don't know, but everyone sure as hell acts like they know, don't they? All these complainers sure brag up like they know how much everything is worth, but they look at the expansion in the way you'd look at a game like WoW or EQ or whatever other game.

But in case you haven't noticed, GW2 isn't the same as other games! I don't give a rats ass if it's not what you want, it's what they are providing and it's what I want. I'm happy with paying the $50 or $100 for the expansion. There are thousands upon thousands of people just like me, happy and eager to pay the price they've asked for, because as players of GW2, we realize exactly how much Anet has provided for the first price, and I'm looking forward to what I will get for the next.

If you can't recognize what I am saying, then maybe you're not the target audience. Have you thought of that? Maybe just maybe that they aren't even trying to sell it to you because you're not the person/people to appreciate it. Maybe they don't really give a shit about catering to people that don't want to play the gamestyle they provide. Maybe, you're not quite as important as you keep telling yourself you are.

Is that clear enough?

Distopia · June 2015

Originally posted by eyelolled
Originally posted by Distopia

I can't believe I have to explain things is such precise detail, but I guess I should expect that when I'm dealing with certain types.

Anet, the company trying to promote living story, introduces and area with a specific plan in place. There is a story that NEEDS to play out, not be dropped all at once. If you understood the concept of a story progression, I would expect that you would understand that. They can't just dump everything out and leave all the cards on the table because that would be fucking stupid. (wait, is that the correct term? YES it is)

So you don't know what all it entails, you don't know anything but the nibbles that they show you. Maybe they have the strategy that after 2 months of the new zones the story leads into another, and another. You don't know, but everyone sure as hell acts like they know, don't they? All these complainers sure brag up like they know how much everything is worth, but they look at the expansion in the way you'd look at a game like WoW or EQ or whatever other game.

But in case you haven't noticed, GW2 isn't the same as other games! I don't give a rats ass if it's not what you want, it's what they are providing and it's what I want. I'm happy with paying the $50 or $100 for the expansion. There are thousands upon thousands of people just like me, happy and eager to pay the price they've asked for, because as players of GW2, we realize exactly how much Anet has provided for the first price, and I'm looking forward to what I will get for the next.

If you can't recognize what I am saying, then maybe you're not the target audience. Have you thought of that? Maybe just maybe that they aren't even trying to sell it to you because you're not the person/people to appreciate it. Maybe they don't really give a shit about catering to people that don't want to play the gamestyle they provide. Maybe, you're not quite as important as you keep telling yourself you are.

Is that clear enough?

I don't agree with most of the complaints going around, I don't feel they're ripping people off or robbing them. I was simply confused about what you meant with a few of your statements, hence why I only commented toward those statements. It just seemed to me you were coming down on people who may not be sold on the expansion out right at this point in time, or that we owed it to them somehow to purchase it. IF that's not what you meant my apologies for misrepresenting/understanding what you said.

That said, I don't see how I've made it seem like I'm important as you suggest, nor have I said the expansion is not worth the price, I really don't know. I think that's a reasonable stance to have at this point. You make it sound like I'm hating on the game or dislike it, which isn't the case.

observer · June 2015

Originally posted by eyelolled
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Torval

I don't see that at all. He never actually said anything about back pay or depriving previous revenue. That's something Distopia injected into the conversation putting words in his mouth.

Originally he talked about cost of ownership over time. An account holder paid for GW2 3 years ago and now they're requiring $50 more dollars to play the xpac. Somehow Distopia got on this back pay bandwagon which made no sense.

The $50 is for the base game and the updates going forward. The $50 for the xpac is for the xpac and any included updates they might add to it.

The point being that after 3 years a game company asking for $50 for an xpac isn't an unreasonable proposition, especially when there is no required fee in the interim.

The base game has no explicit cost value in the xpac. It's a marketing perk to entice those who don't own the game at all to buy in without having to also purchase the base game. Really this internet rage is all about entitled veterans of a game. MMO veterans of an IP often feel entitled to special perks that acknowledge them. ESO did this with their B2P transition. Wildstar is doing so as well. Anet didn't do this with the xpac so some people feel they're not getting the special attention they feel they deserve, that they are entitled to. It's not that any of them give a damn about a base edition key that is essentially useless without the xpac. It's that they want a perk that sets them apart as special. This is what the core of the OP complaint really boils down to. Same with Dakeru and the "Make Amends" thread he opened. He even states outright that he feels entitled to a perk.

Go figure.

I asked him for clarification he implied I'm dumb, so yeah... Can you explain what he meant?

"All these people that are comparing the apples and oranges of expansion packs sure miss the big picture when it comes to GW2 don't they. Can't see the forest for all the trees I guess. GW2 since launch has added 3 more complete zones, and a score of consistent content updates as well. To such an extent that they drove up the very nature of content updates from other developers as well. When you are buying the expansion pack for GW2, do you really think it stops there? How blind are you to completely dismiss that? Seriously, what a slap in the face to disregard so much."

What is he saying? What does three years of patches have to do with an expansion's cost? Especially that last sentence. You have a lot of room to talk about putting words in peoples mouths btw...SMH and bandwagon no one else implied that?

I can't believe I have to explain things is such precise detail, but I guess I should expect that when I'm dealing with certain types.

Anet, the company trying to promote living story, introduces and area with a specific plan in place. There is a story that NEEDS to play out, not be dropped all at once. If you understood the concept of a story progression, I would expect that you would understand that. They can't just dump everything out and leave all the cards on the table because that would be fucking stupid. (wait, is that the correct term? YES it is)

So you don't know what all it entails, you don't know anything but the nibbles that they show you. Maybe they have the strategy that after 2 months of the new zones the story leads into another, and another. You don't know, but everyone sure as hell acts like they know, don't they? All these complainers sure brag up like they know how much everything is worth, but they look at the expansion in the way you'd look at a game like WoW or EQ or whatever other game.

But in case you haven't noticed, GW2 isn't the same as other games! I don't give a rats ass if it's not what you want, it's what they are providing and it's what I want. I'm happy with paying the $50 or $100 for the expansion. There are thousands upon thousands of people just like me, happy and eager to pay the price they've asked for, because as players of GW2, we realize exactly how much Anet has provided for the first price, and I'm looking forward to what I will get for the next.

If you can't recognize what I am saying, then maybe you're not the target audience. Have you thought of that? Maybe just maybe that they aren't even trying to sell it to you because you're not the person/people to appreciate it. Maybe they don't really give a shit about catering to people that don't want to play the gamestyle they provide. Maybe, you're not quite as important as you keep telling yourself you are.

Is that clear enough?

So why do you, and others, care so much about what people think of it's value?

It goes both ways, so why can't you recognize this? Why do these opposite views garner so much hate and labels ("entitled")?

What if i say that Swtor's RotHC is worth more than $19.99? Are you going to oppose me so vehemently? After all, it provides a new lvl cap, new skills, gear, new stories, new operation and hard modes flashpoints, a new planet, etc. As customers, we should accept when companies raise their prices for their expansions, no matter how shallow or abundant it is in content. You people should stop being so cheap and start paying $99 for standard versions for any new expansion that comes out, even if it just contains 1 zone and 1 class. I don't want to hear any complaints from those cheap customers either.

It's only in the gaming industry, that people are willingly quick to accept subpar quality content.

Rusque · June 2015

Anet is just not in tune with the times.

They should delay HoT for a extra six months, then you offer "Me so Thorny Founder's Packs" starting at $100 up to $500 for xpac beta access with an announcement that the xpac will be free when it's done. Then watch as people trip over themselves to get beta access, putting up images of Fry captioned "Shut up and take my money!"

But selling an expansion for an industry standard $60? WTF are they even thinking right? Nobody wants to actually pay for a released product, ew! Only alphas/betas/early access are worth money, final products should be free.

pantaro · June 2015

Originally posted by observer
Originally posted by eyelolled
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Torval

I don't see that at all. He never actually said anything about back pay or depriving previous revenue. That's something Distopia injected into the conversation putting words in his mouth.

Originally he talked about cost of ownership over time. An account holder paid for GW2 3 years ago and now they're requiring $50 more dollars to play the xpac. Somehow Distopia got on this back pay bandwagon which made no sense.

The $50 is for the base game and the updates going forward. The $50 for the xpac is for the xpac and any included updates they might add to it.

The point being that after 3 years a game company asking for $50 for an xpac isn't an unreasonable proposition, especially when there is no required fee in the interim.

The base game has no explicit cost value in the xpac. It's a marketing perk to entice those who don't own the game at all to buy in without having to also purchase the base game. Really this internet rage is all about entitled veterans of a game. MMO veterans of an IP often feel entitled to special perks that acknowledge them. ESO did this with their B2P transition. Wildstar is doing so as well. Anet didn't do this with the xpac so some people feel they're not getting the special attention they feel they deserve, that they are entitled to. It's not that any of them give a damn about a base edition key that is essentially useless without the xpac. It's that they want a perk that sets them apart as special. This is what the core of the OP complaint really boils down to. Same with Dakeru and the "Make Amends" thread he opened. He even states outright that he feels entitled to a perk.

Go figure.

I asked him for clarification he implied I'm dumb, so yeah... Can you explain what he meant?

"All these people that are comparing the apples and oranges of expansion packs sure miss the big picture when it comes to GW2 don't they. Can't see the forest for all the trees I guess. GW2 since launch has added 3 more complete zones, and a score of consistent content updates as well. To such an extent that they drove up the very nature of content updates from other developers as well. When you are buying the expansion pack for GW2, do you really think it stops there? How blind are you to completely dismiss that? Seriously, what a slap in the face to disregard so much."

What is he saying? What does three years of patches have to do with an expansion's cost? Especially that last sentence. You have a lot of room to talk about putting words in peoples mouths btw...SMH and bandwagon no one else implied that?

I can't believe I have to explain things is such precise detail, but I guess I should expect that when I'm dealing with certain types.

Anet, the company trying to promote living story, introduces and area with a specific plan in place. There is a story that NEEDS to play out, not be dropped all at once. If you understood the concept of a story progression, I would expect that you would understand that. They can't just dump everything out and leave all the cards on the table because that would be fucking stupid. (wait, is that the correct term? YES it is)

So you don't know what all it entails, you don't know anything but the nibbles that they show you. Maybe they have the strategy that after 2 months of the new zones the story leads into another, and another. You don't know, but everyone sure as hell acts like they know, don't they? All these complainers sure brag up like they know how much everything is worth, but they look at the expansion in the way you'd look at a game like WoW or EQ or whatever other game.

But in case you haven't noticed, GW2 isn't the same as other games! I don't give a rats ass if it's not what you want, it's what they are providing and it's what I want. I'm happy with paying the $50 or $100 for the expansion. There are thousands upon thousands of people just like me, happy and eager to pay the price they've asked for, because as players of GW2, we realize exactly how much Anet has provided for the first price, and I'm looking forward to what I will get for the next.

If you can't recognize what I am saying, then maybe you're not the target audience. Have you thought of that? Maybe just maybe that they aren't even trying to sell it to you because you're not the person/people to appreciate it. Maybe they don't really give a shit about catering to people that don't want to play the gamestyle they provide. Maybe, you're not quite as important as you keep telling yourself you are.

Is that clear enough?

So why do you, and others, care so much about what people think of it's value?

It goes both ways, so why can't you recognize this? Why do these opposite views garner so much hate and labels ("entitled")?

What if i say that Swtor's RotHC is worth more than $19.99? Are you going to oppose me so vehemently? After all, it provides a new lvl cap, new skills, gear, new stories, new operation and hard modes flashpoints, a new planet, etc. As customers, we should accept when companies raise their prices for their expansions, no matter how shallow or abundant it is in content. You people should stop being so cheap and start paying $99 for standard versions for any new expansion that comes out, even if it just contains 1 zone and 1 class. I don't want to hear any complaints from those cheap customers either.

It's only in the gaming industry, that people are willingly quick to accept subpar quality content.

ain't that the damn truth! ppl give me crap all the time saying how im too harsh on some of these gaming studios.no i'm not cause i dont tolerate crap from time warner cable or verizon or any other place asking for my money for a service or product. i no longer do business with verizon for the record.

But in all my hobbies and business i conduct gaming is the one area that i see so many blindly throw money at companies and when these companies get criticized ppl make excuses for them. imagine me debating being over charged at a garage with the owner and a portion of his customers all attacking me for having an opinion on it haha

this is why we get so many crap games now,ppl are sitting in offices somewhere laughing at us saying gamers will buy anything. hence why majority of single player games on consoles have microtransactions now.....

eye_m · June 2015

Originally posted by observer
Originally posted by eyelolled
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Torval

I don't see that at all. He never actually said anything about back pay or depriving previous revenue. That's something Distopia injected into the conversation putting words in his mouth.

Originally he talked about cost of ownership over time. An account holder paid for GW2 3 years ago and now they're requiring $50 more dollars to play the xpac. Somehow Distopia got on this back pay bandwagon which made no sense.

The $50 is for the base game and the updates going forward. The $50 for the xpac is for the xpac and any included updates they might add to it.

The point being that after 3 years a game company asking for $50 for an xpac isn't an unreasonable proposition, especially when there is no required fee in the interim.

The base game has no explicit cost value in the xpac. It's a marketing perk to entice those who don't own the game at all to buy in without having to also purchase the base game. Really this internet rage is all about entitled veterans of a game. MMO veterans of an IP often feel entitled to special perks that acknowledge them. ESO did this with their B2P transition. Wildstar is doing so as well. Anet didn't do this with the xpac so some people feel they're not getting the special attention they feel they deserve, that they are entitled to. It's not that any of them give a damn about a base edition key that is essentially useless without the xpac. It's that they want a perk that sets them apart as special. This is what the core of the OP complaint really boils down to. Same with Dakeru and the "Make Amends" thread he opened. He even states outright that he feels entitled to a perk.

Go figure.

I asked him for clarification he implied I'm dumb, so yeah... Can you explain what he meant?

"All these people that are comparing the apples and oranges of expansion packs sure miss the big picture when it comes to GW2 don't they. Can't see the forest for all the trees I guess. GW2 since launch has added 3 more complete zones, and a score of consistent content updates as well. To such an extent that they drove up the very nature of content updates from other developers as well. When you are buying the expansion pack for GW2, do you really think it stops there? How blind are you to completely dismiss that? Seriously, what a slap in the face to disregard so much."

What is he saying? What does three years of patches have to do with an expansion's cost? Especially that last sentence. You have a lot of room to talk about putting words in peoples mouths btw...SMH and bandwagon no one else implied that?

I can't believe I have to explain things is such precise detail, but I guess I should expect that when I'm dealing with certain types.

Anet, the company trying to promote living story, introduces and area with a specific plan in place. There is a story that NEEDS to play out, not be dropped all at once. If you understood the concept of a story progression, I would expect that you would understand that. They can't just dump everything out and leave all the cards on the table because that would be fucking stupid. (wait, is that the correct term? YES it is)

So you don't know what all it entails, you don't know anything but the nibbles that they show you. Maybe they have the strategy that after 2 months of the new zones the story leads into another, and another. You don't know, but everyone sure as hell acts like they know, don't they? All these complainers sure brag up like they know how much everything is worth, but they look at the expansion in the way you'd look at a game like WoW or EQ or whatever other game.

But in case you haven't noticed, GW2 isn't the same as other games! I don't give a rats ass if it's not what you want, it's what they are providing and it's what I want. I'm happy with paying the $50 or $100 for the expansion. There are thousands upon thousands of people just like me, happy and eager to pay the price they've asked for, because as players of GW2, we realize exactly how much Anet has provided for the first price, and I'm looking forward to what I will get for the next.

If you can't recognize what I am saying, then maybe you're not the target audience. Have you thought of that? Maybe just maybe that they aren't even trying to sell it to you because you're not the person/people to appreciate it. Maybe they don't really give a shit about catering to people that don't want to play the gamestyle they provide. Maybe, you're not quite as important as you keep telling yourself you are.

Is that clear enough?

So why do you, and others, care so much about what people think of it's value?

It goes both ways, so why can't you recognize this? Why do these opposite views garner so much hate and labels ("entitled")?

What if i say that Swtor's RotHC is worth more than $19.99? Are you going to oppose me so vehemently? After all, it provides a new lvl cap, new skills, gear, new stories, new operation and hard modes flashpoints, a new planet, etc. As customers, we should accept when companies raise their prices for their expansions, no matter how shallow or abundant it is in content. You people should stop being so cheap and start paying $99 for standard versions for any new expansion that comes out, even if it just contains 1 zone and 1 class. I don't want to hear any complaints from those cheap customers either.

It's only in the gaming industry, that people are willingly quick to accept subpar quality content.

If I was to try and offer judgement on what SWTOR's RotHC is worth, then I would be just the same as everyone who says that GW2:HoT is too expensive for what you get. Ignorant, bias, blind and likely entitled as well. Why? Because I don't have a fucking clue about that title. I'm not interested in it, and therefore I'm not in the forums bitching about it. Now ask yourself this. How many of these "opposing views" actually play the game, and how many don't?

You call it subpar quality content, but lets all face the reality of the situation. YOUR knowledge on the expansion, is insufficient to make judgement. You only know what they have chosen to tell you so far. So why don't you take that into consideration? Or do you feel like you're entitled to "know it all" already?

Talonsin · June 2015

Just do what I am doing and dont buy it right away. If they see half the games population is not buying the expansion right away they will drop the price. Once it hits $20.00 I'll buy it. There are too many other fun games out for me to be in a hurry to pay $50 for an expansion pack.

Gretelda · June 2015

the expansion isn't out yet so nobody can answer whether it worth the asking price or not

BUT

for people that are new to the game, this is the perfect deal

for old players, well too bad you supported the game by getting it full price at launch, cause now it's free for others. here have some meh anniversary presents.

Anet gave lots of free contents away so i always welcome an opportunity to thank them, but this is not one of them. if the expansion alone worth 50 dollars then sell it alone without the free game, otherwise i don't see any reason for buying it full price again. NCSOFT is basically telling me to wait for sales right now. since i am a loyal fan i am gonna listen and wait for sales.

eye_m · June 2015

Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by eyelolled
Originally posted by Distopia

I can't believe I have to explain things is such precise detail, but I guess I should expect that when I'm dealing with certain types.

Anet, the company trying to promote living story, introduces and area with a specific plan in place. There is a story that NEEDS to play out, not be dropped all at once. If you understood the concept of a story progression, I would expect that you would understand that. They can't just dump everything out and leave all the cards on the table because that would be fucking stupid. (wait, is that the correct term? YES it is)

So you don't know what all it entails, you don't know anything but the nibbles that they show you. Maybe they have the strategy that after 2 months of the new zones the story leads into another, and another. You don't know, but everyone sure as hell acts like they know, don't they? All these complainers sure brag up like they know how much everything is worth, but they look at the expansion in the way you'd look at a game like WoW or EQ or whatever other game.

But in case you haven't noticed, GW2 isn't the same as other games! I don't give a rats ass if it's not what you want, it's what they are providing and it's what I want. I'm happy with paying the $50 or $100 for the expansion. There are thousands upon thousands of people just like me, happy and eager to pay the price they've asked for, because as players of GW2, we realize exactly how much Anet has provided for the first price, and I'm looking forward to what I will get for the next.

If you can't recognize what I am saying, then maybe you're not the target audience. Have you thought of that? Maybe just maybe that they aren't even trying to sell it to you because you're not the person/people to appreciate it. Maybe they don't really give a shit about catering to people that don't want to play the gamestyle they provide. Maybe, you're not quite as important as you keep telling yourself you are.

Is that clear enough?

I don't agree with most of the complaints going around, I don't feel they're ripping people off or robbing them. I was simply confused about what you meant with a few of your statements, hence why I only commented toward those statements. It just seemed to me you were coming down on people who may not be sold on the expansion out right at this point in time, or that we owed it to them somehow to purchase it. IF that's not what you meant my apologies for misrepresenting/understanding what you said.

That said, I don't see how I've made it seem like I'm important as you suggest, nor have I said the expansion is not worth the price, I really don't know. I think that's a reasonable stance to have at this point. You make it sound like I'm hating on the game or dislike it, which isn't the case.

Fair enough. If I was harsh towards you, I apologize. This topic is especially sensitive to me because I work very hard every day in a service industry. I never get coffee breaks, and most of the time I can't even get an uninterrupted lunch. I am extremely fair and honest with my charges because I believe an honest business is a long lasting business. When someone bitches about the costs, or asks for a deal, it shows me how little they appreciate my efforts. Clients like that I don't need or want because their "bargaining" comes across like I'm some sort of crook. GW2 is buy to play, and I know that I have gotten much more in return then I paid. I believe they are running an honest business and I support them gladly.

As for the person talking about other customers getting mad if you were bitching at your mechanic. If I felt your mechanic run a good honest business, then I would DEFINATELY put you in your place. I wouldn't hesitate at all.

Distopia · June 2015

Originally posted by eyelolled

Fair enough. If I was harsh towards you, I apologize. This topic is especially sensitive to me because I work very hard every day in a service industry. I never get coffee breaks, and most of the time I can't even get an uninterrupted lunch. I am extremely fair and honest with my charges because I believe an honest business is a long lasting business. When someone bitches about the costs, or asks for a deal, it shows me how little they appreciate my efforts. Clients like that I don't need or want because their "bargaining" comes across like I'm some sort of crook. GW2 is buy to play, and I know that I have gotten much more in return then I paid. I believe they are running an honest business and I support them gladly.

As for the person talking about other customers getting mad if you were bitching at your mechanic. If I felt your mechanic run a good honest business, then I would DEFINATELY put you in your place. I wouldn't hesitate at all.

On that note i can certainly relate and agree, all is well that ends well .

hallucigenocide · June 2015

honestly they probably would have gotten a lot less complaints if they'd chosen to reveal all the expansion has to offer before they put a price tag on it.

eye_m · June 2015

Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by eyelolled

Fair enough. If I was harsh towards you, I apologize. This topic is especially sensitive to me because I work very hard every day in a service industry. I never get coffee breaks, and most of the time I can't even get an uninterrupted lunch. I am extremely fair and honest with my charges because I believe an honest business is a long lasting business. When someone bitches about the costs, or asks for a deal, it shows me how little they appreciate my efforts. Clients like that I don't need or want because their "bargaining" comes across like I'm some sort of crook. GW2 is buy to play, and I know that I have gotten much more in return then I paid. I believe they are running an honest business and I support them gladly.

As for the person talking about other customers getting mad if you were bitching at your mechanic. If I felt your mechanic run a good honest business, then I would DEFINATELY put you in your place. I wouldn't hesitate at all.

On that note i can certainly relate and agree, all is well that ends well .

agreed

nolic1 · June 2015

Not to be an ass or anything but just read ahead and you might understand this point.

1: Those who bought the game at launch got 3 years of content releases that most can not be replayed at all for now. The others will cost new players extra.

2: New players that payed for the game at a discounted rate sorry you got your moneys worth. Those asking when was the last $10 sale on there site was before December the other sale here recently was $10 off the normal price point of $50 so $40 US and was around March / April / or May do not remember exact date but a friend did buy it then.

3: Those wanting a free slot cause we all got 2 or 3 in GW1 because of new classes yeah so did a few other games did it and no one whines when they do not. Side Note : I have 9 character slots now and plan to buy another before this comes out ether with gold which would mean free or cash of $10 extra on top of the $50 price tag and I happy about that.

4: The game has no sub and an optional cash shop. Yes its 100% optional. Gold to gems what a concept.

5: The last time I seen this much bitching was when the charged for the season 2 living story that players did not take 5 mins to log into the game to get and where charged for it.

Simple thing about GW2 I learned from following and being a member to the game for 3+ years well sense GW1 is every update this game get and expansion they release including GW1 there always those whining about it. Go do a search on the games forums for the patch releases and you will find pages open pages of people whining " I am quitting or I done or I will not pay for this and that" and yet its still going strong this is the same as many other mmo's out there its going to happen no matter what anyone says.

Also lets see what we are getting for $50.

1: New Class

2: New specs 9 to be exact and these are new specializations for each class.

3: 3 new zones or maps with 3 layers.

4: Guild Halls and you have to play through them like a dungeon to unlock them. You also get to upgrade them pretty epic if I might say my self.

5: New spvp map that's really fun coming from a non pvper.

6: New WvWvW map.

7: Mastery system that adds new skills and special things to do.

8: New boss encounters some we have not seen weather there challenging or not this is a major plus to us who are tired of the normal world bosses.

9: New challenges supposed to be harder then any we encountered before but will see.

10: New WvWvW Abilities for the new map and existing ones. Some might come free but still awesome.

11: New content coming after which Collin has mentioned in interviews that will be only for HoT and others for base game.

So for $50 that's a lot of stuff sorry to say this but I got less in some other games expansions that I paid $40 to $50 dollars for and got all the content that came before with it. Yes its not a whole other continent of land like GW1 but more like EoTN was in GW1 with a class taped on. Point being your getting all that and more for just $50 and thats nothing look at Destiny's new expansion which the game is not even 2 years old you get all content up to the the new expansion for $59.99 so $60 and you get nothing extra with it. Buying all its content right now costs $49.99 plus $19.99 for each expansion that's $90 and you get only 3 character slots and each expansion as they call them give you about 1 hour of extra content to play through and a few raids or dungeon type things. Also with no mention of a way too get just the new expansion and there forums are not exploding with rants.

So yeah its not that bad if you really think about it.

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