There are companies out there making games because they love them. InExile, Larian, Obsidian, Almost Human, Flying Wild Hog, The Behemoth, Klei, CDProjekt, Red Hook, Bossa, and tons more. As for people not liking a challenge, I think the popularity of the Souls series of games kind of disproves that, and many modern games can be quite difficult at the higher settings.
Most of my favorite games came out in the last five years or so, and I've been gaming since my parents bought their first computer, a good old Tandy 1000SX. There are so many good games in so many genres that it's impossible to keep up.
If you can't find a good game (MMO or otherwise) in today's market, it's not the industry which has a problem. It's you. Not that I'm saying the industry is perfect mind you; far from it. But it's also nowhere near as dire as you and others seem to like making it out to be.
Sounds like you just need a break.
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I don't recall any single player games or mmos to be challenging. When did you actually lose a game? If you can't lose what's the challenge, who wins quicker? Better? Prettier? Easy to play, hard to master. That's what video games are about. It's entertainment. You think easy to , hard to master isdumb? Try a chess tournament. You want your video games to be more challenging? Get into competitive gaming. Playing Q3 pro was the only time I felt challenged in video games. It wasn't because of the game though, it was because I competed in international tournaments. Besides that you have made a few vague statements that apply to every single business in the world. Unless you are discussing a specific project they mean nothing. Calling everyone having fun nowadays a moron is something you should discuss with a therapist who charges you $300 an hour.
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OP, just curious, did you ever try Vendetta Online like I suggested in your other thread?
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar Authored 139 missions in VendettaOnline and 6 tracks in Distance
22 years old and you're already judging other people having fun as morons. If entertainment ceases to be entertaining one should definitely give it up. Your opinion on the current state of gaming was all well and good but injecting that supercilious bit about people enjoying the games today as morons only serve to show that your thread was not really about you leaving the games at all. You just wanted to pass judgement on those of us that enjoy gaming in its current state . Funny that you would pick a forum where most of us morons hang out to express this scathing characterization.
22 years old and you're already judging other people having fun as morons. If entertainment ceases to be entertaining one should definitely give it up. Your opinion on the current state of gaming was all well and good but injecting that supercilious bit about people enjoying the games today as morons only serve to show that your thread was not really about you leaving the games at all. You just wanted to pass judgement on those of us that enjoy gaming in its current state . Funny that you would pick a forum where most of us morons hang out to express this scathing characterization.
Didn't even notice the op was only 22 lol.... It certainly explains the shallow correlation between entertainment and "intelligence"...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
22 years old and you're already judging other people having fun as morons. If entertainment ceases to be entertaining one should definitely give it up. Your opinion on the current state of gaming was all well and good but injecting that supercilious bit about people enjoying the games today as morons only serve to show that your thread was not really about you leaving the games at all. You just wanted to pass judgement on those of us that enjoy gaming in its current state . Funny that you would pick a forum where most of us morons hang out to express this scathing characterization.
Didn't even notice the op was only 22 lol.... It certainly explains the shallow correlation between entertainment and "intelligence"...
.........."now we have flashy, brainless combat that, while fast-paced, is ultimately boring because it's just a spamfest".
I especially agree with this part of the origina post.
The seemingly trendy removal of healers classes is guised under the 'now everyone takes responsibility for their own heatlh' - in reality transfers into buying potions from the store and carrying on exactly as players did before.
Except the healer removal has the knock on effect of simplifying content, as it's based on every player mashing dps while chugging down potions.
'Got to move about to avoid damage' - you know what? - You had to do that before, or no amount of healing would save you from the death aoe.
I've given these more recent games a go, witnessed first hand the dungeons - and side with the OP. A charge in dps spam fest with aggro bouncing round like a pinball.
This has been discussed many times , But when your right .. your right OP .. maybe try project Gorgon for a bit .. and Pantheon i hold hope in ....
What exactly is the OP right about? You just said yourself "try X" as even you see there are areas to get what the OP is looking for. Clearly all games aren't as the OP described. Clearly all art has not left the medium, as others have pointed out there are plenty still in the business who love it as well as approach it with the passion of old if it's even exclusive to the old...
I'll just throw this out there
"Confirmation bias, also called confirmatory bias or myside bias, is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's beliefs or hypotheses, while giving disproportionately less consideration to alternative possibilities"
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
This has been discussed many times , But when your right .. your right OP .. maybe try project Gorgon for a bit .. and Pantheon i hold hope in ....
What exactly is the OP right about? You just said yourself "try X" as even you see there are areas to get what the OP is looking for. Clearly all games aren't as the OP described. Clearly all art has not left the medium, as others have pointed out there are plenty still in the business who love it as well as approach it with the passion of old if it's even exclusive to the old...
I'll just throw this out there
"Confirmation bias, also called confirmatory bias or myside bias, is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's beliefs or hypotheses, while giving disproportionately less consideration to alternative possibilities" Sooo exactly what you are doing and everyone else ..
when it comes down to it , it s all subjective and based on idividual experinece and opinion .. I happen to agree with his opinions in the OP .... And there are Plenty that feel that way ...About the state of MMORPGs these days ..
Now ill just throw this out there .. This is an opinion that some people share just as you have yours , now you can argue with my opinion all day ... But at the end of the day , from my point of view of the state of the industry you would be wrong ... all day ...
I think part of the problem is that things have stalled, much like PC hardware etc and yes the other part is publishers. Even if you are younger than me (which I assume most are) you were still likely around during the infancy of gaming. It is like a toddler, everything is exciting and new and changes come so fast. MMOs where like the teenage years, exploring and reckless but awesome fun. The last decade were like being in your 30s things start to seem more "the same". Now we are hitting a midlife crisis . . we are buying motorcycles hoping to find the joy a gain (kickstarter?). We get some joy but it will never be the same.
I've moved on and realized that I just need to enjoy life. . er games for what they are. I am replaying Skyrim and having a blast. I enjoy SWTOR which I hated with a passion. Don't get me wrong. I still hope for the next new thing (It wasn't the Wii controller)
It is possible that games, in general, are just less interesting to you. Publishers are a problem for sure though. Take EA, everyone's favourite to flog. They bought Origin (UO, Ultima, Wingcommander) and turned out what after? They bought Maxis (Sims and Simcity) and for the most part those games have declined in popularity. They bought something profitable and tried to figure out the formula. They failed. I doubt their intention was ever to sell less games, obviously, but they looked at it "strictly" from a formulaic business perspective.
I know that all creators hope to get paid for their work one day but when the machine gets too big things get watered down and lost.
Look at a dev team 20 years ago. They were small and efficient to a greater degree. Today we "require" fancy graphics, achievements, easier to navigate UI etc. This requires a larger team which requires more management. I think it mostly comes down to that.
Any great indie games that have come out have been refreshing in some way but even I want a polished UI. I don't want to have to read an 80 page manual before I start either, I just don't have the time, yet I was one of the largest people to complain when games became over simplified and manuals started shrinking (you would have to be old to get this one).
You will NEVER get that feeling back as gaming was growing. There was always something new and exciting. I remember going into a computer store and they had Doom on a demo. It was the first time I heard a sound card. The fact that the shotgun sounded (then at least) like a shotgun blew my mind! Then we had 3D graphics cards introduced. Wowza!
Lastly, we had MMOs, I alpha / beta tested all of them but bought few. I should have known that was the end for me. I beta tested Meridian, the Ream, tested and bought UO and DAoC. It seems like I played those games forever. . I think UO was the longest thought and that was until just after T2A.
Maybe. . Maybe VR will be the next big thing that introduces something new, until then we are bound to see a lot of recycling.
There are lots of good games right next to the chaff. There might be more Zyngas than CD Projekt Reds but If you can't find them, it's your own fault: you're looking in the wrong places.
It's the same with anything else in entertainment... music, movies, TV: lots of crap but some very good stuff as well.
There is also Prozac
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“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
There are lots of good games right next to the chaff. There might be more Zyngas than CD Projekt Reds but If you can't find them, it's your own fault: you're looking in the wrong places.
It's the same with anything else in entertainment... music, movies, TV: lots of crap but some very good stuff as well.
There is also Prozac
well .... your "Lots of good Games " is subjective for sure , i dont share that opinion .. there may be a 1/2 a dozen good games imo ... Just as in your Opinion there are lots .. And you are welcome to that .. So why does it bother you that the op doesnt share that opnion ..?
your second sentence is obvious and true , and applies to every form of entertainment,food,clothingetc.. there is obviously , and barley needs saying ..
your third seems to be an insult or attack on the OP
Unfounded generalisations - check. Lack of specific examples - check. Pretends hes smarter than the general market - check. Money grab accusations - check. Overdramatising - check. Games are easy complaint - check.
This is 10/10 read right there. The novelty is just off the scale.
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ho come on Doh you never try BnS or Bless for have this opinion , you dont know what is REAL PVP , dont tell me you play OP this is for my little brother he is 9 years old
People take this stuff way too seriously. If you're not having fun with video games, stop playing and find something else to do.
Yeah never understood this. If I am bored with games, I just stop playing. If I am bored with playing tennis, reading books or watching to series/movies, I stop doing those. I don't go complaining how everything has been ruined haha.
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It's pretty hard to make actually challenging PVE, especially with tab-target which most games run.
Anyway, when I want a challenge I do PVP.
Most of my favorite games came out in the last five years or so, and I've been gaming since my parents bought their first computer, a good old Tandy 1000SX. There are so many good games in so many genres that it's impossible to keep up.
If you can't find a good game (MMO or otherwise) in today's market, it's not the industry which has a problem. It's you. Not that I'm saying the industry is perfect mind you; far from it. But it's also nowhere near as dire as you and others seem to like making it out to be.
Sounds like you just need a break.
AN' DERE AIN'T NO SUCH FING AS ENUFF DAKKA, YA GROT! Enuff'z more than ya got an' less than too much an' there ain't no such fing as too much dakka. Say dere is, and me Squiggoff'z eatin' tonight!
We are born of the blood. Made men by the blood. Undone by the blood. Our eyes are yet to open. FEAR THE OLD BLOOD.
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I would say it takes to be quite a moron to rant about world not spinning your way....
Easy to play, hard to master. That's what video games are about. It's entertainment. You think easy to , hard to master isdumb? Try a chess tournament.
You want your video games to be more challenging? Get into competitive gaming. Playing Q3 pro was the only time I felt challenged in video games. It wasn't because of the game though, it was because I competed in international tournaments.
Besides that you have made a few vague statements that apply to every single business in the world. Unless you are discussing a specific project they mean nothing.
Calling everyone having fun nowadays a moron is something you should discuss with a therapist who charges you $300 an hour.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I especially agree with this part of the origina post.
The seemingly trendy removal of healers classes is guised under the 'now everyone takes responsibility for their own heatlh' - in reality transfers into buying potions from the store and carrying on exactly as players did before.
Except the healer removal has the knock on effect of simplifying content, as it's based on every player mashing dps while chugging down potions.
'Got to move about to avoid damage' - you know what? - You had to do that before, or no amount of healing would save you from the death aoe.
I've given these more recent games a go, witnessed first hand the dungeons - and side with the OP. A charge in dps spam fest with aggro bouncing round like a pinball.
I'll just throw this out there
"Confirmation bias, also called confirmatory bias or myside bias, is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's beliefs or hypotheses, while giving disproportionately less consideration to alternative possibilities"
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Now ill just throw this out there .. This is an opinion that some people share just as you have yours , now you can argue with my opinion all day ... But at the end of the day , from my point of view of the state of the industry you would be wrong ... all day ...
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I did.
I've moved on and realized that I just need to enjoy life. . er games for what they are. I am replaying Skyrim and having a blast. I enjoy SWTOR which I hated with a passion. Don't get me wrong. I still hope for the next new thing (It wasn't the Wii controller)
It is possible that games, in general, are just less interesting to you. Publishers are a problem for sure though. Take EA, everyone's favourite to flog. They bought Origin (UO, Ultima, Wingcommander) and turned out what after? They bought Maxis (Sims and Simcity) and for the most part those games have declined in popularity. They bought something profitable and tried to figure out the formula. They failed. I doubt their intention was ever to sell less games, obviously, but they looked at it "strictly" from a formulaic business perspective.
I know that all creators hope to get paid for their work one day but when the machine gets too big things get watered down and lost.
Look at a dev team 20 years ago. They were small and efficient to a greater degree. Today we "require" fancy graphics, achievements, easier to navigate UI etc. This requires a larger team which requires more management. I think it mostly comes down to that.
Any great indie games that have come out have been refreshing in some way but even I want a polished UI. I don't want to have to read an 80 page manual before I start either, I just don't have the time, yet I was one of the largest people to complain when games became over simplified and manuals started shrinking (you would have to be old to get this one).
You will NEVER get that feeling back as gaming was growing. There was always something new and exciting. I remember going into a computer store and they had Doom on a demo. It was the first time I heard a sound card. The fact that the shotgun sounded (then at least) like a shotgun blew my mind! Then we had 3D graphics cards introduced. Wowza!
Lastly, we had MMOs, I alpha / beta tested all of them but bought few. I should have known that was the end for me. I beta tested Meridian, the Ream, tested and bought UO and DAoC. It seems like I played those games forever. . I think UO was the longest thought and that was until just after T2A.
Maybe. . Maybe VR will be the next big thing that introduces something new, until then we are bound to see a lot of recycling.
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It's the same with anything else in entertainment... music, movies, TV: lots of crap but some very good stuff as well.
There is also Prozac
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
your second sentence is obvious and true , and applies to every form of entertainment,food,clothingetc.. there is obviously , and barley needs saying ..
your third seems to be an insult or attack on the OP
Lack of specific examples - check.
Pretends hes smarter than the general market - check.
Money grab accusations - check.
Overdramatising - check.
Games are easy complaint - check.
This is 10/10 read right there. The novelty is just off the scale.
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
lol
I have a game for you my friend. Dragons Dogma, play day one on Hard mode. Relive your childhood dreams, most of them anyways.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/367500/
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