Again, you don't appear to understand what people are saying. NO ONE is saying please feed us crap and give us unfinished trash heaps. We ARE saying that after a breathtakingly bad launch, they picked up and got on with it eventually getting to where they needed to be. With more free DLC than I have seen since L2. Most development studios would have just let it die.
Did Hello make promises that weren't there at launch? Yes, they did. Did they eventually make good on said promises? Yes, yes they did and then some. It is extreme folly to keep penalizing for mistakes when it is obvious they are very willing to not only make up for them but give even more.
No it isn't folly to hold someone accountable for lying. A company that lies to it's customers should be put out of business. It is that simple. I mean think about it, it has taken them years past the delivery date to give the people that bought their product what they bought the product for. Imagine going to a bank giving them your money then you go to take it out and half of it isn't there, that's the point.
I agree that they made good of trying to fix the issue. No one isn't saying that. In reality though they should have been put out of business. Unfortunately in gaming, companies are allowed to sell broken and unfinished games without being penalized the way just about every other form business is or would be.
Then you know fuck all about the business world because you are being lied to on the daily. Yes, people and business entities should be held accountable, they should also be forgiven when they make good. Are you still having every mistake you ever made held against you? I very much doubt it. Fix the issue and move on. Or live a sad, pathetic, grudge-holding life. Up to you. At any rate, I feel your outlook on the topic is rather naive.
I feel both of you are repeating yourself ad infinitum in order to get the last word in.,
Then flag the posts as inappropriate and move on. Your comments on our comments are irrelevant, and not necessary. There is a system in place if you feel we have violated community guidelines, use it.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
This is why the best games need to weather the early reviews and rocky starts. NMS has consistently gotten better and better to become something special despite the trauma -- literally in this case -- of the horrible start. Hello Games stuck to it and made a great game. This new addition will be fantastic!
I agree and disagree with this. No Man Sky PR department blatantly lied to get sells. The entire you can play with others thing was a huge thing for the game which turned out to just be a straight out lie. So you have to think do you want a game even though it is a decent game that has gotten better, to flourish after the fact. So basically do you think it is ok to mislead gamers so they buy your product in hopes that one day it will have the things in it that you lied to them about?
In this case specifically it is a case where the game should not have launched when it did. They should have baked it longer an gotten the things they said were in it, in it before launch. Even though the game is a decent game you shouldn't give them a thumbs up for trying to add things they said were in it to begin with.
It's a different story when you are talking about devs with a game that launches with the things it says it has and people just don't like the way it plays. Those devs deserve a pat on the back an a good job when they keep working at it and deliver a game that was far better than the original.
Again, you don't appear to understand what people are saying. NO ONE is saying please feed us crap and give us unfinished trash heaps. We ARE saying that after a breathtakingly bad launch, they picked up and got on with it eventually getting to where they needed to be. With more free DLC than I have seen since L2. Most development studios would have just let it die.
Did Hello make promises that weren't there at launch? Yes, they did. Did they eventually make good on said promises? Yes, yes they did and then some. It is extreme folly to keep penalizing for mistakes when it is obvious they are very willing to not only make up for them but give even more.
No it isn't folly to hold someone accountable for lying. A company that lies to it's customers should be put out of business. It is that simple. I mean think about it, it has taken them years past the delivery date to give the people that bought their product what they bought the product for. Imagine going to a bank giving them your money then you go to take it out and half of it isn't there, that's the point.
I agree that they made good of trying to fix the issue. No one isn't saying that. In reality though they should have been put out of business. Unfortunately in gaming, companies are allowed to sell broken and unfinished games without being penalized the way just about every other form business is or would be.
Then you know fuck all about the business world because you are being lied to on the daily. Yes, people and business entities should be held accountable, they should also be forgiven when they make good. Are you still having every mistake you ever made held against you? I very much doubt it. Fix the issue and move on. Or live a sad, pathetic, grudge-holding life. Up to you. At any rate, I feel your outlook on the topic is rather naive.
You keep wanting to site "other business". Ok, then ALL, I mean literally ALL car companies should be shut down? Because they all (with the exception of high-end luxury cars) have had recalls, which is indicative of "not doing it right the first time".
How about farmers? They make mistakes too and tons of foods have to be recalled.
Construction companies? I know several that have had to go back and fix mistakes. Shut them down too?
Again, you are far too naive to realize what you are saying and the second and third order effects of "just shutting them down". Yeah, this is an entertainment industry, but people still rely on those paychecks to survive. Shutting them down is not the answer, doing the right thing is.
This. The ignorant love to make things simple....black and white. When you understand more than just the basics of things you quickly realize nothing is ever that simple. You can pretend that it is but that doesn't make it true.
I enjoy NMS but my PC doesnt run it particularly well...I seem to lag alot both in movement and in combat. It makes space combat almost impossible unless I have a huge advantage. THis is about the only game my PC does not run very well.
This is why the best games need to weather the early reviews and rocky starts. NMS has consistently gotten better and better to become something special despite the trauma -- literally in this case -- of the horrible start. Hello Games stuck to it and made a great game. This new addition will be fantastic!
This is why the best games need to weather the early reviews and rocky starts. NMS has consistently gotten better and better to become something special despite the trauma -- literally in this case -- of the horrible start. Hello Games stuck to it and made a great game. This new addition will be fantastic!
No, they need to release when they're actually finished or in NMS dont say features that weren't in the game lol
This is why the best games need to weather the early reviews and rocky starts. NMS has consistently gotten better and better to become something special despite the trauma -- literally in this case -- of the horrible start. Hello Games stuck to it and made a great game. This new addition will be fantastic!
I don't know. The only reason they're around to keep poking at it is because of the hype and false advertising before the game launched. The original reviews and reception was earned and justified, as is perhaps the new found fondness for the game (though it does seem a touch 'internet ironic' to be a big NMS stan.)
The practice that this encourages, essentially, is lying to boost preorder sales, cash in in a big way, and then keep working on the game for 2 years after release. I'd rather not have devs see this as a model for how games should be made, but rather an awkward, cautionary tale that may have come out ok in terms of game, but tarnished the reputation of a developer for much longer than NMS will be around.
The absolute most cynical part of me says Hello Games is only still beating this drum because of the unholy fury that would have rained down on them had they started to pitch and preorder a new title after their launch cycle debacle. They have had no choice but to continue patching this game together, which is far from the exploration title it was originally said to be and a fairly generic gather-and-build survival game now.
Good on those that enjoy that sort of thing, but it seems mostly like it's well received now because of exactly what was lacking to begin with. I imagine we will see the same things written about Anthem and FO76 in enough time for apathy and short memories to set in.
Kind of dumb....these people had zero reason to still be working on this all this time FOR FREE...except to stand behind the game they wished to make. They had made the vast majority of the cash they were going to make, they had pretty much no financial reason to continue. And yet years later they have supported their game for free to continue to make it the best they can.
I have seen so many terrible buggy games launch over the last few years...and almost zero of those had the people that made the game continue to work their tails off for free. Now, of those terrible launches...i have seen MANY paid DLC"s shipped out to "fix" the original game, but rarely do they keep shipping free major improvements to the original game like these folks have done.
Having the dev's stick with their vision and "word" to make a great game is seen rarely in this business. This company rates up there with FF14 in the amount of work and effort that they put in to stand up and say, no, my name is on this i am going to make this right.
Rare thing, and that, the amount of effort, and dedication to make things right....that is what folks are saying, hey...good job...and for any that just refuse to see and acknowledge that...that is the what the "dumb" in the first 3 words of my post is about.
This is why the best games need to weather the early reviews and rocky starts. NMS has consistently gotten better and better to become something special despite the trauma -- literally in this case -- of the horrible start. Hello Games stuck to it and made a great game. This new addition will be fantastic!
However when the devs flat out lie about game features just to generate buzz and sales numbers they should go to prison for consumer fraud, not be given a second or third chance.
This is why the best games need to weather the early reviews and rocky starts. NMS has consistently gotten better and better to become something special despite the trauma -- literally in this case -- of the horrible start. Hello Games stuck to it and made a great game. This new addition will be fantastic!
I don't know. The only reason they're around to keep poking at it is because of the hype and false advertising before the game launched. The original reviews and reception was earned and justified, as is perhaps the new found fondness for the game (though it does seem a touch 'internet ironic' to be a big NMS stan.)
The practice that this encourages, essentially, is lying to boost preorder sales, cash in in a big way, and then keep working on the game for 2 years after release. I'd rather not have devs see this as a model for how games should be made, but rather an awkward, cautionary tale that may have come out ok in terms of game, but tarnished the reputation of a developer for much longer than NMS will be around.
The absolute most cynical part of me says Hello Games is only still beating this drum because of the unholy fury that would have rained down on them had they started to pitch and preorder a new title after their launch cycle debacle. They have had no choice but to continue patching this game together, which is far from the exploration title it was originally said to be and a fairly generic gather-and-build survival game now.
Good on those that enjoy that sort of thing, but it seems mostly like it's well received now because of exactly what was lacking to begin with. I imagine we will see the same things written about Anthem and FO76 in enough time for apathy and short memories to set in.
Kind of dumb....these people had zero reason to still be working on this all this time FOR FREE...except to stand behind the game they wished to make. They had made the vast majority of the cash they were going to make, they had pretty much no financial reason to continue. And yet years later they have supported their game for free to continue to make it the best they can.
I have seen so many terrible buggy games launch over the last few years...and almost zero of those had the people that made the game continue to work their tails off for free. Now, of those terrible launches...i have seen MANY paid DLC"s shipped out to "fix" the original game, but rarely do they keep shipping free major improvements to the original game like these folks have done.
Having the dev's stick with their vision and "word" to make a great game is seen rarely in this business. This company rates up there with FF14 in the amount of work and effort that they put in to stand up and say, no, my name is on this i am going to make this right.
Rare thing, and that, the amount of effort, and dedication to make things right....that is what folks are saying, hey...good job...and for any that just refuse to see and acknowledge that...that is the what the "dumb" in the first 3 words of my post is about.
Nothing free about what they were doing. The game continuously sold copies during Steam sales etc. I saw it on the best seller list on multiple occasions during these time periods. The fact of the matter is, people are stupid. You think the devs are doing this for your benefit, but in reality they are desperately trying to save face so they can rip you off again in the future.
Simply put, would you ever buy a game from this company again after the release of No Mans Sky? No. So how do they change that? They use the hundreds of millions of dollars that idiots put into their pockets pre-ordering their bare bones garbage game and make the game enjoyable (Years later I might add). And continue to add new features that probably should have been in the game to begin with.
The average sheep will believe that this is all for their benefit. Its a business model designed to keep idiots entangled. They provide an idea, you think its amazing and hop aboard the hype train with the rest of the sheep. Release day comes and they sit back counting their money while you spend the first 2 days enjoying it, only then realizing that its not the game they promised. Since you have played longer than the refundable period, you are now stuck with them. And they use "Some" of their profits to continue to develop the game that should have been complete to begin with.
The fact that you people are okay with this just because they made it better years later is sickening. Like some ridiculous video game Stockholm Syndrome. In my mind, someone rips you off you don't go around singing their praises just cause they came back and paid you back years later...
Needs to make no man's sky 2. Keep it looking exactly the same. Keep gameplay the same. Wipe all previous progress. Everyone will LOVE IT! LOL!!
No need. All they need to do is create a new mode , say .. "Online Mode" , where everyone will start from scratch.
I played NMS right after Next was launched for around 100 hours and I loved it !!
Now, all they need to do is add Online , close to how MMO's work , including PvP and stuff and Ready Player One might come to reality.
My vision for NMS is to become some short of Ready Player One. It has all the "keys" to become one. Imagine going full VR in NMS.
Lovely!
I must have missed the variety of sports games, the PvP world, the real money gambling, real money transactions and near unlimited customization in NMS. They need a better tutorial!
They do, seriously. But NMS is no closer to Ready Player One than any other game, farther behind than most MMORPGs I'd say. Ready Player one isn't even something close to what might actually come to be if you ask me. I love Ernest Cline, but I don't think he's much of an online gamer.
This is why the best games need to weather the early reviews and rocky starts. NMS has consistently gotten better and better to become something special despite the trauma -- literally in this case -- of the horrible start. Hello Games stuck to it and made a great game. This new addition will be fantastic!
The funny thing is that Hello Games is a tiny indie studio, and look how dedicated they are. EA would have shut down the studio LOL.
God I hope you are joking, sometimes it's hard to tell. Take your pick there was actually more than one in reality. My favorite was, that a single player game (what it was at launch) was a multiplayer game were you could play with others at launch. Didn't take to long for them to get caught up in the lie.
God I hope you are joking, sometimes it's hard to tell. Take your pick there was actually more than one in reality. My favorite was, that a single player game (what it was at launch) was a multiplayer game were you could play with others at launch. Didn't take to long for them to get caught up in the lie.
Actually, I wasn't joking. I was at NMS launch and although it wasn't a multiplayer game like many expected, it definitely wasn't a single player game, that is bluntly put, false. Was it oversold and overhyped? Definitely. You might want to blame Sony for that too btw, they threw HG in front of an audience with no proper PR support and blew their game up to epic proportions, they could never correct that. Or the disaster their office suffered and made them lose a significant part of their game but they still had a deadline? Hell, the game even worked and was fun for a lot of people that don't buy into hype and use common sense.
CDProjekt should be punished because they used enhanced screenshots to promote W3: A lie From Software should be punished because they used enhanced screenshots to promote Dark Souls 3: A lie Funcom should be punished because they promised bar fights at launch in AoC: A lie Look at the Atlas trailer: A lie Look at 99% of the entertainment products and how they are being promoted: A lie.
The difference with ALL of the above? HG has actually corrected their shortcomings and have been adding even more then what was promised. Redemption is a foreign concept to some it seems, even more when a company deserves it, bitterness is a strong emotion.
How would you feel if I still held you accountable for that lie you told in high school 15 years ago, no matter how many good things you have done since then? Seems quite petty doesn't it? And yes, companies are made out of people just like you and me, we ALL make mistakes.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
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If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
No, they need to release when they're actually finished or in NMS dont say features that weren't in the game lol
Kind of dumb....these people had zero reason to still be working on this all this time FOR FREE...except to stand behind the game they wished to make. They had made the vast majority of the cash they were going to make, they had pretty much no financial reason to continue. And yet years later they have supported their game for free to continue to make it the best they can.
I have seen so many terrible buggy games launch over the last few years...and almost zero of those had the people that made the game continue to work their tails off for free. Now, of those terrible launches...i have seen MANY paid DLC"s shipped out to "fix" the original game, but rarely do they keep shipping free major improvements to the original game like these folks have done.
Having the dev's stick with their vision and "word" to make a great game is seen rarely in this business. This company rates up there with FF14 in the amount of work and effort that they put in to stand up and say, no, my name is on this i am going to make this right.
Rare thing, and that, the amount of effort, and dedication to make things right....that is what folks are saying, hey...good job...and for any that just refuse to see and acknowledge that...that is the what the "dumb" in the first 3 words of my post is about.
If you ain't dyin', then you ain't tryin'.
Simply put, would you ever buy a game from this company again after the release of No Mans Sky? No. So how do they change that? They use the hundreds of millions of dollars that idiots put into their pockets pre-ordering their bare bones garbage game and make the game enjoyable (Years later I might add). And continue to add new features that probably should have been in the game to begin with.
The average sheep will believe that this is all for their benefit. Its a business model designed to keep idiots entangled. They provide an idea, you think its amazing and hop aboard the hype train with the rest of the sheep. Release day comes and they sit back counting their money while you spend the first 2 days enjoying it, only then realizing that its not the game they promised. Since you have played longer than the refundable period, you are now stuck with them. And they use "Some" of their profits to continue to develop the game that should have been complete to begin with.
The fact that you people are okay with this just because they made it better years later is sickening. Like some ridiculous video game Stockholm Syndrome. In my mind, someone rips you off you don't go around singing their praises just cause they came back and paid you back years later...
I must have missed the variety of sports games, the PvP world, the real money gambling, real money transactions and near unlimited customization in NMS. They need a better tutorial!
They do, seriously. But NMS is no closer to Ready Player One than any other game, farther behind than most MMORPGs I'd say. Ready Player one isn't even something close to what might actually come to be if you ask me. I love Ernest Cline, but I don't think he's much of an online gamer.
Joined 2004 - I can't believe I've been a MMORPG.com member for 20 years! Get off my lawn!
Well done Hello Games.
So What Now?
CDProjekt should be punished because they used enhanced screenshots to promote W3: A lie
From Software should be punished because they used enhanced screenshots to promote Dark Souls 3: A lie
Funcom should be punished because they promised bar fights at launch in AoC: A lie
Look at the Atlas trailer: A lie
Look at 99% of the entertainment products and how they are being promoted: A lie.
The difference with ALL of the above? HG has actually corrected their shortcomings and have been adding even more then what was promised. Redemption is a foreign concept to some it seems, even more when a company deserves it, bitterness is a strong emotion.
How would you feel if I still held you accountable for that lie you told in high school 15 years ago, no matter how many good things you have done since then? Seems quite petty doesn't it? And yes, companies are made out of people just like you and me, we ALL make mistakes.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer