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US Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Loot Boxes & P2W Microtransactions - MMORPG.com News

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imageUS Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Loot Boxes & P2W Microtransactions - MMORPG.com News

US Senator Josh Hawley (R-Missouri) will soon introduce a bill called "The Protecting Children from Abusive Games Act" to the US Senate. It aims to ban the sale of loot boxes and other pay-to-win microtransactions in "games played by minors", specifically for children under 18 "whose developers knowingly allow minor players to engage in microtransactions".

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  • DauzqulDauzqul Member RarePosts: 1,982
    Excellent!
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  • Sal1Sal1 Member UncommonPosts: 430
    It won't pass. Big business's and Corporations own the USA now. I wish it would pass though.
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  • MatDionMatDion Newbie CommonPosts: 2
    We all know weak peoples that are much more affected by these Pay 2 Win games.

    The worse game of all time is Black Dessert Online.

    I would like to take another minute to comment about that game that took my friend's wife plus another 12 000$ US. He played for 9000 hours...

    Trust me these guys know how to hook you up. It could become quickly your nightmare.
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  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,449
    There goes the mobile game market lol.
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  • Panther2103Panther2103 Member EpicPosts: 5,777
    I'm all for banning P2W microtransactions, but I don't really care about loot boxes as long as they don't provide power. But if it makes people happy I sure hope something like this passes. 
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  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,973
    Ban on lootboxes sounds good, but ban on pay to win schemes would be taking it too far.

    I'm all for government placing regulation on how items must be sold, and ensuring that buyers will always know in advance what they get to support making reasonable decisions. But if someone sells virtual health potions, it's not the government's place to disallow that.
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  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 3,223

    MatDion said:

    We all know weak peoples that are much more affected by these Pay 2 Win games.



    The worse game of all time is Black Dessert Online.



    I would like to take another minute to comment about that game that took my friend's wife plus another 12 000$ US. He played for 9000 hours...



    Trust me these guys know how to hook you up. It could become quickly your nightmare.



    It wasn't the game's fault, it was the guy's fault. But yeah, 9000 hours and his wife left him basically for a video game addiction. No different than many other addictions.
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  • WhiteLanternWhiteLantern Member RarePosts: 3,319
    Guess I won't vote for him again.

    Parenting for the win.
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  • Cyber_wastelandCyber_wasteland Member UncommonPosts: 192
    This may turn in to a cluster floop, just have to see how things go. Alot of games may be biting the dust IF (and I use IF very loosely) this passes. P2W sure, loot boxes, idk. If its cosmetic like ESO then what does it hurt. No different then a gumball machine really.
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  • foxgirlfoxgirl Member RarePosts: 485
    Good. Loot boxes are just gambling, and I thought that was illegal across state lines (internet) anyway.
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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,028
    Lootboxes are gambling, and thus there is an argument to ban them.


    I'm not sure what legal precedent can be used to ban "pay to win." Maybe bribery, since you are paying for preferential treatment? I don't know; that's a stretch at best.
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  • black9iceblack9ice Member UncommonPosts: 154
    And what about legal action to take against all the parents letting their children play said games? So ass backwards...
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  • MaggonMaggon Member UncommonPosts: 360
    I guess that would essentially have a massive impact on games such as Magic The Gathering.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,975


    This is key to the story:



    The Entertainment Software Association has said that it is looking "forward to sharing with the senator the tools and information the industry already provides that keeps the control of in-game spending in parents' hands."



    And once they make a donation to his reelection campaign all of this will just quietly go away.



    More likely than not the organized gambling interests in Branson are already paying him to launch this assault on an activity which threatens theirs, but of course it's being done for the "good of the children"
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  • DauzqulDauzqul Member RarePosts: 1,982
    edited May 2019


    Guess I won't vote for him again.



    Parenting for the win.



    Huh? I'm not looking at it in terms of protecting kids. I just want a better game-play experience. The removal of loot boxes will be a superb change for adults, too.

    In the early days of ArcheAge, there was this donkey mount that gave a major advantage to crafters/traders. The only way to get this mount was by getting lucky with a loot box.

    A lot of people spent hundreds and hundreds of dollars via loot crates with hopes of getting this donkey. It's dumb on them, but also dumb on the developers. Trion, a once respected entity, will now forever be known as a pile of vomit due to their greedy sass.

    I'd rather deal with pay 2 win vs pay for chance to win.
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  • Phoenix_HawkPhoenix_Hawk Member UncommonPosts: 298
    edited May 2019

    Sal1 said:

    It won't pass. Big business's and Corporations own the USA now. I wish it would pass though.



    Well that's nothing new really, as legal lobbying is nothing new in the US, it's just more obvious that big business runs things now.



    Even if this bill were to pass, the industry can just adjust how it does things to gain the same general effect. For instance they could continue to push the whole pay to progress "option" where they make playing to progress so insanely slow, and tedious, that your only way to move forward past the mid game portion, is to completely no-life the game, pay, or both, which you'd need to keep doing, as more content is added. They could make player markets, run off of the cash shop currency, rather than an in-game one. The cash shop currency could be overpriced, unless you get it at a discount, with discounts being unreliable to get, especially the higher ones. They could have a trade channel, rather than a proper market place UI, so players have no market info available to them, making scamming, and overpricing easier.

    In short, they can just follow the Warframe example, which despite all logic, many people claim is one of the fairest profit models around, even though it most certainly is not. Problem is that people can be so easily duped if you just change how something is presented. Take rested XP for example, when Blizzard first introduced it, it was presented as a penalty, where you start out getting more XP, but depending on how long you were offline, you'd eventually be hit with a penalty, so gain less. All they did is present it as a bonus, so being offline gives you additional XP for a while, which when the bonus runs out, you now get base XP, then everyone thought it was great, even though it worked out to be the same thing.

    The long, and short of it is that the free to play model really is the worst one, while pay to play, and buy to play, with no cash shops are much fairer to the consumer. With pay to play, and buy to play, where you just pay for access to content in one way, or another, not stuff used while playing, there's no pay to win, no profiting from gambling addictions, and so forth, leaving the devs to just focus on making good games, not how to wedge in monetization options. The only obvious downside is that the potential profits are lower.
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  • DauzqulDauzqul Member RarePosts: 1,982
    edited May 2019

    MatDion said:

    We all know weak peoples that are much more affected by these Pay 2 Win games.



    The worse game of all time is Black Dessert Online.



    I would like to take another minute to comment about that game that took my friend's wife plus another 12 000$ US. He played for 9000 hours...



    Trust me these guys know how to hook you up. It could become quickly your nightmare.



    You have to go into details. This sounds interesting. 12k? How? What was he buying? Took his wife? Meaning she got def up and left him?

    Details, Matt Damon!
  • JeffSpicoliJeffSpicoli Member EpicPosts: 2,849
    edited May 2019
    I like this but I'm always scared of you know, the whole "slippery slope "argument. Today its loot boxes tomorrow its pixelated weapons corrupting our childrens minds. I'm more a fan of less government so although i despise scumbag company's nickle & diming us I'd rather politicians go back to whatever it is they do best and leave the parenting to me....
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  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,449
    I like this butt I'm always scared of you know, the whole "slippery slope "argument. Today its loot boxes tomorrow its pixelated weapons corrupting our childrens minds. I'm more a fan of less government so although i despise scumbag company's nickle & diming us I'd rather politicians go back to whatever it is they do best and leave the parenting to me....
    Naw they are just using the idea of kids and gambling to make it more legit, but we all know it's being done because it's bad for all gamers in general.
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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,004
    They are becoming casinos and will probably end up facing the same gambling regulations.
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  • WhiteLanternWhiteLantern Member RarePosts: 3,319

    Dauzqul said:





    Guess I won't vote for him again.





    Parenting for the win.






    Huh? I'm not looking at it in terms of protecting kids. I just want a better game-play experience. The removal of loot boxes will be a superb change for adults, too.



    In the early days of ArcheAge, there was this donkey mount that gave a major advantage to crafters/traders. The only way to get this mount was by getting lucky with a loot box.



    A lot of people spent hundreds and hundreds of dollars via loot crates with hopes of getting this donkey. It's dumb on them, but also dumb on the developers. Trion, a once respected entity, will now forever be known as a pile of vomit due to their greedy sass.



    I'd rather deal with pay 2 win vs pay for chance to win.



    Except it isn't the government's responsibility to make sure you have a "better game-play experience". Government regulation of hobbies is a step WAY too far.
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  • SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
    edited May 2019
    What they really need to do is turn away from PC games and get the grotesque mobile gaming space under control. They make PC games' mechanics look like nothin'. Let's face it: Kids play mobile games more than PC so the legislation needs to take them on aggressively.
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  • RobWhiteRobWhite Member UncommonPosts: 26
    Meh, I doubt it will pass.
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  • DauzqulDauzqul Member RarePosts: 1,982

    Dauzqul said:





    Guess I won't vote for him again.





    Parenting for the win.






    Huh? I'm not looking at it in terms of protecting kids. I just want a better game-play experience. The removal of loot boxes will be a superb change for adults, too.



    In the early days of ArcheAge, there was this donkey mount that gave a major advantage to crafters/traders. The only way to get this mount was by getting lucky with a loot box.



    A lot of people spent hundreds and hundreds of dollars via loot crates with hopes of getting this donkey. It's dumb on them, but also dumb on the developers. Trion, a once respected entity, will now forever be known as a pile of vomit due to their greedy sass.



    I'd rather deal with pay 2 win vs pay for chance to win.



    Except it isn't the government's responsibility to make sure you have a "better game-play experience". Government regulation of hobbies is a step WAY too far.


    I never said it was the government's job to give me a better experience. It just happens to be a giant perk should this pass. You're being overly analytical.
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  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member EpicPosts: 3,584
    This may turn in to a cluster floop, just have to see how things go. Alot of games may be biting the dust IF (and I use IF very loosely) this passes. P2W sure, loot boxes, idk. If its cosmetic like ESO then what does it hurt. No different then a gumball machine really.
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