I thought a rpg game is about story and the story is presented great in DAO.
That the story is not unique is bcs no story is unique as any story is already told sometime in the past and now.
For the people who do mistake story with hack n slay i would mention gauntlet - it must be the right game for them
"Torquemada... do not implore him for compassion. Torquemada... do not beg him for forgiveness. Torquemada... do not ask him for mercy. Let's face it, you can't Torquemada anything!"
Originally posted by greed0104 "story rip off made by a dev company that will serve up crap because rampant fanboys can't see it." I don't read minds, just lines. But please, continue your mindless babbling. I'll just sit back and watch you continue being "mad". Enjoy.
Of course the story is a Rip off. All fantasy stories are Rip offs today with very few exceptions, Leitner, Howard and Tolkien sat the standards for this types of stories 50-100 years ago and there are very few games or even books that doesn't steal all their lore from them.
Only fantasy books I been reading lately (lat 10 years) that doesn't steal a lot from them are George R R Martins brilliant "A game of thrones".
Don't tell me any fantasy MMO didn't steal the lore from any of those 3 writers, The first invented "Sword and sorcery", the second Conan and the 3rd mixed norse mythology in and gave us elves and dwarves together with his own ideas like orcs and hobbits.
So, what game do you play that does have it's own lore without stealing stuff from at least one of these 3 authors? Please enlighten us.
I thought a rpg game is about story and the story is presented great in DAO. That the story is not unique is bcs no story is unique as any story is already told sometime in the past and now.
For the people who do mistake story with hack n slay i would mention gauntlet - it must be the right game for them
DarkCloud (luanch title for the PS2) and Darkcloud 2 from Level 5 (there was suppose to be a Darkcloud 3 for the PS3, but that never happened [ Once again, Graphics over quality])
I played both Dragonguard 1 and 2
I played Dot Hack 1-3
i played Tales of Symphonia
I played RPG Maker
I played Mark of Kri
I played Megaman Legend 1 and 2
All these games had Combat focus, and are all classed as RPGs. Yet they still told great stories.
Originally posted by greed0104 "story rip off made by a dev company that will serve up crap because rampant fanboys can't see it." I don't read minds, just lines. But please, continue your mindless babbling. I'll just sit back and watch you continue being "mad". Enjoy.
Of course the story is a Rip off. All fantasy stories are Rip offs today with very few exceptions, Leitner, Howard and Tolkien sat the standards for this types of stories 50-100 years ago and there are very few games or even books that doesn't steal all their lore from them.
Only fantasy books I been reading lately (lat 10 years) that doesn't steal a lot from them are George R R Martins brilliant "A game of thrones".
Don't tell me any fantasy MMO didn't steal the lore from any of those 3 writers, The first invented "Sword and sorcery", the second Conan and the 3rd mixed norse mythology in and gave us elves and dwarves together with his own ideas like orcs and hobbits.
So, what game do you play that does have it's own lore without stealing stuff from at least one of these 3 authors? Please enlighten us.
Was that a misquote as I never claimed the story to be unique.
The point of this thread is a bit off if not downright silly. First, you come out as a highly immature individual in how you express your opinion. Oh my god the game sucks! It's soooo bad! etc etc. My main problem with all of this is....do you just throw money out there and not actually research what you're investing your money into. It would have taken probably no more than five minutes to know what DAO was about. Especially at this point of time where many people have beaten it many times over.
So this entire whiny type of rant seems rather pointless. You should be making a thread more on the point how could you be so careless as to invest your money into a game that didn't offer the gameplay you enjoyed. There were countless reviews and hands-on previews that spelled out DAO. You, the consumer, chose to ignore them and do your own thing then come here with a whining post about it. So who is at fault for this?
In the end it is all about personal opinions and tastes. I quite enjoyed as I know others who have as well. Of course they also all knew what they were buying before they did....
This game is very boring!! Damn the cut scenes are just crazy annoying. Damn and we cant even skip them. The game is just too damn slow. Tired of having to keep saving, just so I dont have to go through and repeat scenes if ya get killed.
Originally posted by Loke666 Of course the story is a Rip off. All fantasy stories are Rip offs today with very few exceptions, Leitner, Howard and Tolkien sat the standards for this types of stories 50-100 years ago and there are very few games or even books that doesn't steal all their lore from them. ... Don't tell me any fantasy MMO didn't steal the lore from any of those 3 writers, The first invented "Sword and sorcery", the second Conan and the 3rd mixed norse mythology in and gave us elves and dwarves together with his own ideas like orcs and hobbits.
Pardon my ignorance and OT, but I'm intrigued, who is this Leitner? IMO, Howard invented the sword and sorcery genre, as the term was first used of a story of his. And this by Fritz Leiber in the 60s. But of course, as the genre was thusly born, I agree that one must look to the source of all such stories, even past Howard.
EDIT: Oh, did you actually mean Leiber? Just thought of that.
This game is very boring!! Damn the cut scenes are just crazy annoying. Damn and we cant even skip them. The game is just too damn slow. Tired of having to keep saving, just so I dont have to go through and repeat scenes if ya get killed.
This game is very boring!! Damn the cut scenes are just crazy annoying. Damn and we cant even skip them. The game is just too damn slow. Tired of having to keep saving, just so I dont have to go through and repeat scenes if ya get killed.
I thought a rpg game is about story and the story is presented great in DAO. That the story is not unique is bcs no story is unique as any story is already told sometime in the past and now.
For the people who do mistake story with hack n slay i would mention gauntlet - it must be the right game for them
DarkCloud (luanch title for the PS2) and Darkcloud 2 from Level 5 (there was suppose to be a Darkcloud 3 for the PS3, but that never happened [ Once again, Graphics over quality])
I played both Dragonguard 1 and 2
I played Dot Hack 1-3
i played Tales of Symphonia
I played RPG Maker
I played Mark of Kri
I played Megaman Legend 1 and 2
All these games had Combat focus, and are all classed as RPGs. Yet they still told great stories.
And that does rule out that developers develop rpgs that are story focussed and presented like DAO?
You have a taste for playing specific desgined games, thats all and DAO does not fit your taste.
So what?
And yes, all storys are told...a new story is only a variation of some old one...maybe if we meet aliens...
"Torquemada... do not implore him for compassion. Torquemada... do not beg him for forgiveness. Torquemada... do not ask him for mercy. Let's face it, you can't Torquemada anything!"
The point of this thread is a bit off if not downright silly. First, you come out as a highly immature individual in how you express your opinion. Oh my god the game sucks! It's soooo bad! etc etc. My main problem with all of this is....do you just throw money out there and not actually research what you're investing your money into. It would have taken probably no more than five minutes to know what DAO was about. Especially at this point of time where many people have beaten it many times over. So this entire whiny type of rant seems rather pointless. You should be making a thread more on the point how could you be so careless as to invest your money into a game that didn't offer the gameplay you enjoyed. There were countless reviews and hands-on previews that spelled out DAO. You, the consumer, chose to ignore them and do your own thing then come here with a whining post about it. So who is at fault for this? In the end it is all about personal opinions and tastes. I quite enjoyed as I know others who have as well. Of course they also all knew what they were buying before they did....
So nobody can ever give a Bad review of a game correct? thats what it seems like you are saying.
People that review games had to have played it. If only the people that like it play it, then we would never get both sides of the story.
I got it, and played it, and dont like it. maybe you do, but I dont.
And IMO, people that are use to RPG games like I listed, wont like DA much ether.
This game is very boring!! Damn the cut scenes are just crazy annoying. Damn and we cant even skip them. The game is just too damn slow. Tired of having to keep saving, just so I dont have to go through and repeat scenes if ya get killed.
Play it for the storyline, dummy.
its a RPG, so I want to fight and lvl up things
Oh, i may surprise you, but RPG does not mean you have to blow up a single thing !
"Torquemada... do not implore him for compassion. Torquemada... do not beg him for forgiveness. Torquemada... do not ask him for mercy. Let's face it, you can't Torquemada anything!"
Originally posted by greed0104 "story rip off made by a dev company that will serve up crap because rampant fanboys can't see it." I don't read minds, just lines. But please, continue your mindless babbling. I'll just sit back and watch you continue being "mad". Enjoy.
Of course the story is a Rip off. All fantasy stories are Rip offs today with very few exceptions, Leitner, Howard and Tolkien sat the standards for this types of stories 50-100 years ago and there are very few games or even books that doesn't steal all their lore from them.
Only fantasy books I been reading lately (lat 10 years) that doesn't steal a lot from them are George R R Martins brilliant "A game of thrones".
Don't tell me any fantasy MMO didn't steal the lore from any of those 3 writers, The first invented "Sword and sorcery", the second Conan and the 3rd mixed norse mythology in and gave us elves and dwarves together with his own ideas like orcs and hobbits.
So, what game do you play that does have it's own lore without stealing stuff from at least one of these 3 authors? Please enlighten us.
Their are many fantasy books that don't rip the lore from them three,seriously i have read a lot of fantasy books and some really don't use the same format.
As for the game, well BioWare need to be a bit more original and perhaps get new writers in.
If it was another dev company using the lotr story as a carbon copy for their own game they would get bad reviews for lack of originality.
A game of thrones is overated just like the rest of the series,brilliant it is not, try Robin Hobb sometime.
Dragon Age, your non Presistant Online or MMO game, with offline RPG goodness.
This is Bioware, they are huge on Dialog, Story. Gameplay, Graphics and Music are there but Character development and Story are huge, that's just who they are.
You got to ask yourself, djd you enjoy past Bioware games, if you do not, well then...that's your problem. Maybe you should just play some mindless game with no story and crazy awesome graphics.
I love games where I can build up a toon and just really enjoy your adventures and Bioware always does that, I love getting lost in a new world created by this amazing Developer.
When Star War The Old Republic comes out, it too will probably not be your kind of game also and this time it's going to be a huge MMO game that I'm drooling to get my hands on. A lot of ppl enjoy games like this and if you don't there is a lot more out there for you to play and enjoy just as well.
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Anyways back to the game, you can skip the dialog if it's too much and if you need longer cut scenes? well I don't know why, I think the length the did them in this game were just right. You could free up 9 hours of your day and watch MGS4's cut scenes if you want some cut scenes.
Only thing I didn't like and this is my negative part of my message was DLC content launched week of the games release, that's a whole other story...
Wildstar (2013) & Elder Scroll Online (2013)
Playing: Diablo 3, WOW, Far Cry 3 & X-Com.
Enjoyed: WOW 5 1/2 yrs, LOTRO 3yrs, GW 1/2yr, DFO 1yr, EVE Online 3yrs, and Huxley (Beta).
Failed to impress: GW2 3months, Tera Online 6 months (best combat system in any MMO I've played) STO 1/4yr, Aion 1/2yr, AoC 1yr, CO, Fallen Earth, DDO, EQ2 1/2yr, WAR 1/2yr, Lineage 2 and FF XI 1/2yr, FF XIV.
Game was meh for me as well; borderlands and torchlight were both much better rpg.
Well there have not been many good rpg in the last few years...
3-4 years ago all I played was RPG, now I mainly play FPS and Action games.
Same here.
Graphics over Qualty, is what killed the RPG genre on Consoles. Everybody too scared to do anything cool like the PS2 days unless it have top of the line graphics
The point of this thread is a bit off if not downright silly. First, you come out as a highly immature individual in how you express your opinion. Oh my god the game sucks! It's soooo bad! etc etc. My main problem with all of this is....do you just throw money out there and not actually research what you're investing your money into. It would have taken probably no more than five minutes to know what DAO was about. Especially at this point of time where many people have beaten it many times over. So this entire whiny type of rant seems rather pointless. You should be making a thread more on the point how could you be so careless as to invest your money into a game that didn't offer the gameplay you enjoyed. There were countless reviews and hands-on previews that spelled out DAO. You, the consumer, chose to ignore them and do your own thing then come here with a whining post about it. So who is at fault for this? In the end it is all about personal opinions and tastes. I quite enjoyed as I know others who have as well. Of course they also all knew what they were buying before they did....
So nobody can ever give a Bad review of a game correct? thats what it seems like you are saying.
People that review games had to have played it. If only the people that like it play it, then we would never get both sides of the story.
I got it, and played it, and dont like it. maybe you do, but I dont.
And IMO, people that are use to RPG games like I listed, wont like DA much ether.
"Dragon Age is boring like Crap!!!! Feels like a Offline Guild Wars or something"
This isn't a review, a review is a thought out wall of text where you give pros and cons not "ZOMG I HAV TA SAV AL DA TAME!!11!!! ONE" This is just a troll ranting and raving about nothing, move along people
Well thanks for buying the game,that means bioware gets more money to make more games I like and I get to laugh at someone who is trying to make people hate a game because he didn't like it!
Well thanks for buying the game,that means bioware gets more money to make more games I like and I get to laugh at someone who is trying to make people hate a game because he didn't like it! win-win.
Well I alreayd convinced a few readers already as you can see.
So they may have gotton my money, but they wont get others
Cutscenes? OMG, do you mean it actually has a storyline?!
I'm not surprised to see WoW fans having a hard time liking this game though. It is quite different from the way they play WoW probably. Instead of rushing to the next level, the best way to enjoy a RPG is by doing every single thing there is.
You know it, the best way to realize your dreams is waking up and start moving, never lose hope and always keep up.
Well thanks for buying the game,that means bioware gets more money to make more games I like and I get to laugh at someone who is trying to make people hate a game because he didn't like it! win-win.
Well I alreayd convinced a few readers already as you can see.
So they may have gotton my money, but they wont get others
So we both get a laugh
I've only seen people that have already played it agree with you. Maybe I missed somebody.
Well thanks for buying the game,that means bioware gets more money to make more games I like and I get to laugh at someone who is trying to make people hate a game because he didn't like it! win-win.
Well I alreayd convinced a few readers already as you can see.
So they may have gotton my money, but they wont get others
So we both get a laugh
I've only seen people that have already played it agree with you. Maybe I missed somebody.
Comments
I thought a rpg game is about story and the story is presented great in DAO.
That the story is not unique is bcs no story is unique as any story is already told sometime in the past and now.
For the people who do mistake story with hack n slay i would mention gauntlet - it must be the right game for them
"Torquemada... do not implore him for compassion. Torquemada... do not beg him for forgiveness. Torquemada... do not ask him for mercy. Let's face it, you can't Torquemada anything!"
MWO Music Video - What does the Mech say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF6HYNqCDLI
Johnny Cash - The Man Comes Around: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0x2iwK0BKM
Of course the story is a Rip off. All fantasy stories are Rip offs today with very few exceptions, Leitner, Howard and Tolkien sat the standards for this types of stories 50-100 years ago and there are very few games or even books that doesn't steal all their lore from them.
Only fantasy books I been reading lately (lat 10 years) that doesn't steal a lot from them are George R R Martins brilliant "A game of thrones".
Don't tell me any fantasy MMO didn't steal the lore from any of those 3 writers, The first invented "Sword and sorcery", the second Conan and the 3rd mixed norse mythology in and gave us elves and dwarves together with his own ideas like orcs and hobbits.
So, what game do you play that does have it's own lore without stealing stuff from at least one of these 3 authors? Please enlighten us.
DarkCloud (luanch title for the PS2) and Darkcloud 2 from Level 5 (there was suppose to be a Darkcloud 3 for the PS3, but that never happened [ Once again, Graphics over quality])
I played both Dragonguard 1 and 2
I played Dot Hack 1-3
i played Tales of Symphonia
I played RPG Maker
I played Mark of Kri
I played Megaman Legend 1 and 2
All these games had Combat focus, and are all classed as RPGs. Yet they still told great stories.
Of course the story is a Rip off. All fantasy stories are Rip offs today with very few exceptions, Leitner, Howard and Tolkien sat the standards for this types of stories 50-100 years ago and there are very few games or even books that doesn't steal all their lore from them.
Only fantasy books I been reading lately (lat 10 years) that doesn't steal a lot from them are George R R Martins brilliant "A game of thrones".
Don't tell me any fantasy MMO didn't steal the lore from any of those 3 writers, The first invented "Sword and sorcery", the second Conan and the 3rd mixed norse mythology in and gave us elves and dwarves together with his own ideas like orcs and hobbits.
So, what game do you play that does have it's own lore without stealing stuff from at least one of these 3 authors? Please enlighten us.
Was that a misquote as I never claimed the story to be unique.
The point of this thread is a bit off if not downright silly. First, you come out as a highly immature individual in how you express your opinion. Oh my god the game sucks! It's soooo bad! etc etc. My main problem with all of this is....do you just throw money out there and not actually research what you're investing your money into. It would have taken probably no more than five minutes to know what DAO was about. Especially at this point of time where many people have beaten it many times over.
So this entire whiny type of rant seems rather pointless. You should be making a thread more on the point how could you be so careless as to invest your money into a game that didn't offer the gameplay you enjoyed. There were countless reviews and hands-on previews that spelled out DAO. You, the consumer, chose to ignore them and do your own thing then come here with a whining post about it. So who is at fault for this?
In the end it is all about personal opinions and tastes. I quite enjoyed as I know others who have as well. Of course they also all knew what they were buying before they did....
Play it for the storyline, dummy.
Pardon my ignorance and OT, but I'm intrigued, who is this Leitner? IMO, Howard invented the sword and sorcery genre, as the term was first used of a story of his. And this by Fritz Leiber in the 60s. But of course, as the genre was thusly born, I agree that one must look to the source of all such stories, even past Howard.
EDIT: Oh, did you actually mean Leiber? Just thought of that.
Play it for the storyline, dummy.
its a RPG, so I want to fight and lvl up things
Play it for the storyline, dummy.
its a RPG, so I want to fight and lvl up things
I wasn't aware that was left out...
Idiot.
Why is it called an RPG? ROLE-PLAYING game. No duh, dude. You play a role in the story and you HAVE to watch the cinematics.
If you wanna grind, play something like World of Warcraft.
DarkCloud (luanch title for the PS2) and Darkcloud 2 from Level 5 (there was suppose to be a Darkcloud 3 for the PS3, but that never happened [ Once again, Graphics over quality])
I played both Dragonguard 1 and 2
I played Dot Hack 1-3
i played Tales of Symphonia
I played RPG Maker
I played Mark of Kri
I played Megaman Legend 1 and 2
All these games had Combat focus, and are all classed as RPGs. Yet they still told great stories.
And that does rule out that developers develop rpgs that are story focussed and presented like DAO?
You have a taste for playing specific desgined games, thats all and DAO does not fit your taste.
So what?
And yes, all storys are told...a new story is only a variation of some old one...maybe if we meet aliens...
"Torquemada... do not implore him for compassion. Torquemada... do not beg him for forgiveness. Torquemada... do not ask him for mercy. Let's face it, you can't Torquemada anything!"
MWO Music Video - What does the Mech say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF6HYNqCDLI
Johnny Cash - The Man Comes Around: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0x2iwK0BKM
So nobody can ever give a Bad review of a game correct? thats what it seems like you are saying.
People that review games had to have played it. If only the people that like it play it, then we would never get both sides of the story.
I got it, and played it, and dont like it. maybe you do, but I dont.
And IMO, people that are use to RPG games like I listed, wont like DA much ether.
Play it for the storyline, dummy.
its a RPG, so I want to fight and lvl up things
Oh, i may surprise you, but RPG does not mean you have to blow up a single thing !
"Torquemada... do not implore him for compassion. Torquemada... do not beg him for forgiveness. Torquemada... do not ask him for mercy. Let's face it, you can't Torquemada anything!"
MWO Music Video - What does the Mech say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF6HYNqCDLI
Johnny Cash - The Man Comes Around: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0x2iwK0BKM
Dude/Lady
thats not what ROLE PLAYNG VIDEO GAMES ARE ALL ABOUT!!!,
those words were adoupted from DnD, which was a ROLE PLAYING game. RPG Video Games are all about Exp and Lvling in some way.
if its all about Story, then wouldnt all Adventure Games and such then be concidered a RPG game? Which they arnt
Notice that. Stop your rage for a sec, and think about that.
Of course the story is a Rip off. All fantasy stories are Rip offs today with very few exceptions, Leitner, Howard and Tolkien sat the standards for this types of stories 50-100 years ago and there are very few games or even books that doesn't steal all their lore from them.
Only fantasy books I been reading lately (lat 10 years) that doesn't steal a lot from them are George R R Martins brilliant "A game of thrones".
Don't tell me any fantasy MMO didn't steal the lore from any of those 3 writers, The first invented "Sword and sorcery", the second Conan and the 3rd mixed norse mythology in and gave us elves and dwarves together with his own ideas like orcs and hobbits.
So, what game do you play that does have it's own lore without stealing stuff from at least one of these 3 authors? Please enlighten us.
Their are many fantasy books that don't rip the lore from them three,seriously i have read a lot of fantasy books and some really don't use the same format.
As for the game, well BioWare need to be a bit more original and perhaps get new writers in.
If it was another dev company using the lotr story as a carbon copy for their own game they would get bad reviews for lack of originality.
A game of thrones is overated just like the rest of the series,brilliant it is not, try Robin Hobb sometime.
Clive Barker "Weaveworld" read it sometime. www.clivebarker.com/html/visions/bib/book/books/weave.htm
Charles De Lint read his books sometime www.sfsite.com/charlesdelint/
Game was meh for me as well; borderlands and torchlight were both much better rpg.
Well there have not been many good rpg in the last few years...
3-4 years ago all I played was RPG, now I mainly play FPS and Action games.
Dragon Age, your non Presistant Online or MMO game, with offline RPG goodness.
This is Bioware, they are huge on Dialog, Story. Gameplay, Graphics and Music are there but Character development and Story are huge, that's just who they are.
You got to ask yourself, djd you enjoy past Bioware games, if you do not, well then...that's your problem. Maybe you should just play some mindless game with no story and crazy awesome graphics.
I love games where I can build up a toon and just really enjoy your adventures and Bioware always does that, I love getting lost in a new world created by this amazing Developer.
When Star War The Old Republic comes out, it too will probably not be your kind of game also and this time it's going to be a huge MMO game that I'm drooling to get my hands on. A lot of ppl enjoy games like this and if you don't there is a lot more out there for you to play and enjoy just as well.
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Anyways back to the game, you can skip the dialog if it's too much and if you need longer cut scenes? well I don't know why, I think the length the did them in this game were just right. You could free up 9 hours of your day and watch MGS4's cut scenes if you want some cut scenes.
Only thing I didn't like and this is my negative part of my message was DLC content launched week of the games release, that's a whole other story...
Wildstar (2013) & Elder Scroll Online (2013)
Playing: Diablo 3, WOW, Far Cry 3 & X-Com.
Enjoyed: WOW 5 1/2 yrs, LOTRO 3yrs, GW 1/2yr, DFO 1yr, EVE Online 3yrs, and Huxley (Beta).
Failed to impress: GW2 3months, Tera Online 6 months (best combat system in any MMO I've played) STO 1/4yr, Aion 1/2yr, AoC 1yr, CO, Fallen Earth, DDO, EQ2 1/2yr, WAR 1/2yr, Lineage 2 and FF XI 1/2yr, FF XIV.
Same here.
Graphics over Qualty, is what killed the RPG genre on Consoles. Everybody too scared to do anything cool like the PS2 days unless it have top of the line graphics
So nobody can ever give a Bad review of a game correct? thats what it seems like you are saying.
People that review games had to have played it. If only the people that like it play it, then we would never get both sides of the story.
I got it, and played it, and dont like it. maybe you do, but I dont.
And IMO, people that are use to RPG games like I listed, wont like DA much ether.
"Dragon Age is boring like Crap!!!! Feels like a Offline Guild Wars or something"
And you call it review?
Don't make me laugh.
SexuaLobster's Grease Portal
This isn't a review, a review is a thought out wall of text where you give pros and cons not "ZOMG I HAV TA SAV AL DA TAME!!11!!! ONE" This is just a troll ranting and raving about nothing, move along people
Well thanks for buying the game,that means bioware gets more money to make more games I like and I get to laugh at someone who is trying to make people hate a game because he didn't like it!
win-win.
Well I alreayd convinced a few readers already as you can see.
So they may have gotton my money, but they wont get others
So we both get a laugh
Cutscenes? OMG, do you mean it actually has a storyline?!
I'm not surprised to see WoW fans having a hard time liking this game though. It is quite different from the way they play WoW probably. Instead of rushing to the next level, the best way to enjoy a RPG is by doing every single thing there is.
You know it, the best way to realize your dreams is waking up and start moving, never lose hope and always keep up.
Well I alreayd convinced a few readers already as you can see.
So they may have gotton my money, but they wont get others
So we both get a laugh
I've only seen people that have already played it agree with you. Maybe I missed somebody.
Well I alreayd convinced a few readers already as you can see.
So they may have gotton my money, but they wont get others
So we both get a laugh
I've only seen people that have already played it agree with you. Maybe I missed somebody.
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