I think they succeeded at emphasizing the red word [,"boring,"] pretty well in this game. For all their lack of casual friendliness, they still forgot not to make the game boring.
You're certainly in high spirits, colddog04, but I'll thank you to curb your zealousness of salting wounds.
I think that you underestimate your own zealousness and overestimate my own. The things you have said about people that don't like this game in the past have truly been insulting.
I dont know the site and was just curious how they did rate other games in played and how well there opinion would fit mine.
I checked FF11 as well and saw that they rated it with 8.2 pretty nice rating than i saw the rating for the same game just on the PS2 and it had a different rating 8.0 odd enough i thought but what do u know yet again another rating for the same game only this time on the 360 6.0...
So while the review of 14 might have had some valid points cant i bring myself to take a site serious which does rate the same game with 3 different ratings. Seems to me like they dont know what they r doing or maybe it depends a great deal on who does the review which than would mean they cant be Objective.....
Btw isn't it funny that the one thread where an official review was good for the game only got like 48 posts since yesterday and this thread almost has 100 already since today?? Some ppls r really desperate and use every straw to hang on to their claims (opinions)
Games operate differently on each platform, so sometimes the scores are different because of that. While a game may be great on the PC it might have a terrible port to a console.
"Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game."-Guybrush Threepwood "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."-Hunter S. Thompson
I think they succeeded at emphasizing the red word [,"boring,"] pretty well in this game. For all their lack of casual friendliness, they still forgot not to make the game boring.
You're certainly in high spirits, colddog04, but I'll thank you to curb your zealousness of salting wounds.
I think that you underestimate your own zealousness and overestimate my own. The things you have said about people that don't like this game in the past have truly been insulting.
Judging by the general state of our respective stars, I'd say the moderators would agree we've both said a lot of things we've ended up regretting. If you're determined to stay that course, perhaps utilizing a bad GameSpot review as evidence I was wrong to ever have anything good to say about the game, we'll not be long for these forums.
I dont know the site and was just curious how they did rate other games in played and how well there opinion would fit mine.
I checked FF11 as well and saw that they rated it with 8.2 pretty nice rating than i saw the rating for the same game just on the PS2 and it had a different rating 8.0 odd enough i thought but what do u know yet again another rating for the same game only this time on the 360 6.0...
So while the review of 14 might have had some valid points cant i bring myself to take a site serious which does rate the same game with 3 different ratings. Seems to me like they dont know what they r doing or maybe it depends a great deal on who does the review which than would mean they cant be Objective.....
Btw isn't it funny that the one thread where an official review was good for the game only got like 48 posts since yesterday and this thread almost has 100 already since today?? Some ppls r really desperate and use every straw to hang on to their claims (opinions)
Games operate differently on each platform, so sometimes the scores are different because of that. While a game may be great on the PC it might have a terrible port to a console.
^ This.
Also when it came to a game like FFXI being on multiple platforms, you have to take into account things like the various platforms load times and control schemes.
There are 3 types of people in the world. 1.) Those who make things happen 2.) Those who watch things happen 3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
Anyway, my point was that for all their lack of usability in order to encourage only the most patient of us play it, they forgot to make an exciting game underneath the tangled mess. Between daily quests, grinding, gathering and crafting this game is boring at the core of it's design.
Edit: Oh, of course. You removed the word crucifixion from your post. I should always remember to quote you every time to make sure you don't change the meaning of your post entirely.
"FF XIV is not the Online-RPG you should be playing, not by a long shot".
Haha, not that there is much news here for everyone who followed the forums for this pile of garbage but it's accurate to the tee regardless. Good Job.
@xsarkaix: The quote beneath your avatar is indeed hilarious. Probably the epitome of stupidity in these here forums and that's saying something.
Make you wonder what game xarkaix is paying $15.00 per month for!
After reading his review than watching it it is clear he does not like this game. I also felt the review was overly critical and did not spend enough time on the actual positives of the game( I mean I realize this is not a perfect game, but how in the world did it score lower than STO!). I do like FFXIV, and hope SE pays attention to these upcoming reviews. Unfortunately SE can be a bit dismissive and just ignore negative feedback. What worries me is how soon the review came out; it just does not seam like he would have had enough time to play till the endgame ( it would not be the first time Gamespot has had to rescind a MMORPG review because the reviewer did not spend enough time playing the game). That being said I think in a month we might see the Metacritic score sit around a 60/100( I say this because people will naturally try to score close to Gamespot, but might be more forgiving). In the end only time will tell.
"Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game."-Guybrush Threepwood "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."-Hunter S. Thompson
So, after it finishes downloading in about half an hour and I get it all updated and setup AND my PC hopefully doesn't blow up from being so low on the specs, I'll hopefully get to see once and for all what the games about.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.- -And on the 8th day, man created God.-
Anyway, my point was that for all their lack of usability in order to encourage only the most patient of us play it, they forgot to make an exciting game underneath the tangled mess. Between daily quests, grinding, gathering and crafting this game is boring at the core of it's design.
I happen to think the game is fun, daily quests, grinding, gathering, crafting, and all. Where does that leave us?
I still play the game and still enjoy it. To bad it is you that cant face the fact that some do like it. I have my own opinions and will trust my own taste on what I like, as you should on yours. Thanks.
Anyway, my point was that for all their lack of usability in order to encourage only the most patient of us play it, they forgot to make an exciting game underneath the tangled mess. Between daily quests, grinding, gathering and crafting this game is boring at the core of it's design.
I happen to think the game is fun, daily quests, grinding, gathering, crafting, and all. Where does that leave us?
I would assume that it leaves you both at a state of 'Agree to Disagree'...
I could be wrong though /shrug
There are 3 types of people in the world. 1.) Those who make things happen 2.) Those who watch things happen 3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
Anyway, my point was that for all their lack of usability in order to encourage only the most patient of us play it, they forgot to make an exciting game underneath the tangled mess. Between daily quests, grinding, gathering and crafting this game is boring at the core of it's design.
I happen to think the game is fun, daily quests, grinding, gathering, crafting, and all. Where does that leave us?
I would assume that it leaves you both at a state of 'Agree to Disagree'...
I could be wrong though /shrug
That dont happen on these forums. If you dont agree you have to resort to name calling. Its the only way.
Anyway, my point was that for all their lack of usability in order to encourage only the most patient of us play it, they forgot to make an exciting game underneath the tangled mess. Between daily quests, grinding, gathering and crafting this game is boring at the core of it's design.
I happen to think the game is fun, daily quests, grinding, gathering, crafting, and all. Where does that leave us?
I would assume that it leaves you both at a state of 'Agree to Disagree'...
I could be wrong though /shrug
That would be awesome, I would like that. After all, who isn't sick of hearing me say, "if the game isn't for you, that's okay, no game is for everyone" - it's the epitome of agreeing to disagreeing.
Unfortunately, what it's been my experience will happen is it will turn into an argument about how I need to acknowledge that if they don't like the game, it's the game's fault, and I'm wrong for liking it.
In the past, sooner or later I'd get frustrated and say something like, "well fine, I'm glad we'll not have to deal with you in the game I like" or "maybe this game's too smart for you" or something like that. That's typically when the warning/ban would strike because when such a post is reported for trolling/flaming at that point, who's the mod to disagree? They can't see the paper trail of what I had to endure that finally pushed me that far, that I was, in the end, as much a victim as anyone else.
Anyway, my point was that for all their lack of usability in order to encourage only the most patient of us play it, they forgot to make an exciting game underneath the tangled mess. Between daily quests, grinding, gathering and crafting this game is boring at the core of it's design.
I happen to think the game is fun, daily quests, grinding, gathering, crafting, and all. Where does that leave us?
I would assume that it leaves you both at a state of 'Agree to Disagree'...
I could be wrong though /shrug
Where have you been? These forums are FFA PvP.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.- -And on the 8th day, man created God.-
Square would of been in better shape if they had of made a WoW clone and placed it in the FF universe....
I honestly wonder what would be so bad here? It's obvious that WoW has the winning recipe for MMOs. Their sheer sub numbers prove that, not to mention their xpacs SHATTER sales records. Why such the hate on WoW? Yes, the community at times can be abrasive. And yes, the grind to end game, gear up for the next raid system gets old after awhile, but it keeps a lot of us coming back for more. So I honestly ask, what would be so bad about a WoW clone set in FF land? Or Star Wars? Or Fallout? Or <insert any other rpg here>? It seems silly for a company who wants to actually make money to change up what is clearly not broken.
Anyway, my point was that for all their lack of usability in order to encourage only the most patient of us play it, they forgot to make an exciting game underneath the tangled mess. Between daily quests, grinding, gathering and crafting this game is boring at the core of it's design.
I happen to think the game is fun, daily quests, grinding, gathering, crafting, and all. Where does that leave us?
I would assume that it leaves you both at a state of 'Agree to Disagree'...
I could be wrong though /shrug
Where have you been? These forums are FFA PvP.
Can't we all just get along?
*Reaches to give eyeswideopen a friendly hug and then suddenly stabs him in the kidney and twists the blade...*
Hrm... I guess you were right...
There are 3 types of people in the world. 1.) Those who make things happen 2.) Those who watch things happen 3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
Anyway, my point was that for all their lack of usability in order to encourage only the most patient of us play it, they forgot to make an exciting game underneath the tangled mess. Between daily quests, grinding, gathering and crafting this game is boring at the core of it's design.
I think it's fun. Where does that leave us?
Hopefully, it leaves us in a place where we don't say that this game was meant to weed out lazy people and spazzes. That is what you said before. What you are saying now is that it weeds out those without patience. I know you're offering a kind of branch here, but there are just some things that are not ok and some things that are. Opinions are ok. You think it's fun and I think it's boring. The Gamespot reviewer thinks it deserves a 4/10.
When you say that the games interface requires patience and that other games that have easy interfaces are boring, I responded by saying that even once you get over the interface, the game at it's core is still boring.
You then said that I was zealous in my attempt to salt wounds. Perhaps I just see that this game is rather boring overall.
Edit: And besides, without people like us and others on this site, the site would be boring.
Anyway, my point was that for all their lack of usability in order to encourage only the most patient of us play it, they forgot to make an exciting game underneath the tangled mess. Between daily quests, grinding, gathering and crafting this game is boring at the core of it's design.
I happen to think the game is fun, daily quests, grinding, gathering, crafting, and all. Where does that leave us?
I would assume that it leaves you both at a state of 'Agree to Disagree'...
I could be wrong though /shrug
That would be awesome, I would like that. After all, who isn't sick of hearing me say, "if the game isn't for you, that's okay, no game is for everyone" - it's the epitome of agreeing to disagreeing.
Unfortunately, what it's been my experience will happen is it will turn into an argument about how I need to acknowledge that if they don't like the game, it's the game's fault, and I'm wrong for liking it.
In the past, sooner or later I'd get frustrated and say something like, "well fine, I'm glad we'll not have to deal with you in the game I like" or "maybe this game's too smart for you" or something like that. That's typically when the warning/ban would strike because when such a post is reported for trolling/flaming at that point, who's the mod to disagree? They can't see the paper trail of what I had to endure that finally pushed me that far.
You're not wrong for liking it. You're wrong for going to posts about "Should I buy this game?" and posting everything that's good about the game, but omitting the much larger list of things that aren't good, or at least could be subjective to the player. I've seen you do it many times in these boards. If you want to come in and say "I like it, here's why, but other's don't like it because....", then no one will have a problem with it. As it stands, you're actively trying to pull people into this game without giving them the full story.
Anyway, my point was that for all their lack of usability in order to encourage only the most patient of us play it, they forgot to make an exciting game underneath the tangled mess. Between daily quests, grinding, gathering and crafting this game is boring at the core of it's design.
I think it's fun. Where does that leave us?
Hopefully, it leaves us in a place where we don't say that this game was meant to weed out lazy people and spazzes. That is what you said before. What you are saying now is that it weeds out those without patience. I know you're offering a kind of branch here, but there are just some things that are not ok and some things that are. Opinions are ok. You think it's fun and I think it's boring. The Gamespot reviewer thinks it deserves a 4/10.
When you say that the games interface requires patience and that other games that have easy interfaces are boring, I responded by saying that even once you get over the interface, the game at it's core is still boring.
You then said that I was zealous in my attempt to salt wounds. Perhaps I just see that this game is rather boring overall.
Edit: And besides, without people like us and others on this site, the site would be boring.
I for one understand you dont like the game. What I have found through my post is people that dont like the game dont understand why I like it or flame people who do like it. They basically try to tell you that you should agree with them because they say the game sucks and that is it....period. Which is not the case...
You're not wrong for liking it. You're wrong for going to posts about "Should I buy this game?" and posting everything that's good about the game, but omitting the much larger list of things that aren't good, or at least could be subjective to the player. I've seen you do it many times in these boards. If you want to come in and say "I like it, here's why, but other's don't like it because....", then no one will have a problem with it. As it stands, you're actively trying to pull people into this game without giving them the full story.
You wrong me, sir. In fact, when I saw the "should I play this game" thread, I chose to butt out. It wasn't because I didn't think I could give an unbiased opinion. Rather, it was because I saw that the player was a World of Warcraft player and thought to myself that he may not have been in the appropriate niche, or maybe he was in the appropriate niche despite liking World of Warcraft. I take game recommendations very seriously, and there just wasn't enough information to go on.
I am, however, deeply polarized as a fanboy of the game specifically because I find focusing on the game's general GUI ponderousness, lack of direction, technical issues, or the subjective thing of "fun," to be overexaggeratory.
I for one understand you dont like the game. What I have found through my post is people that dont like the game dont understand why I like it or flame people who do like it. They basically try to tell you that you should agree with them because they say the game sucks and that is it....period. Which is not the case...
I know what you're saying. What bothers me is that I think they could have done so much better than they did. I feel like they really dropped the ball on this one. They have funding and a team that has made some pretty impressive games. I feel like there are things in this game that are great, but it just could have been so much better than it is right now.
Anyway, my point was that for all their lack of usability in order to encourage only the most patient of us play it, they forgot to make an exciting game underneath the tangled mess. Between daily quests, grinding, gathering and crafting this game is boring at the core of it's design.
I think it's fun. Where does that leave us?
Hopefully, it leaves us in a place where we don't say that this game was meant to weed out lazy people and spazzes. That is what you said before. What you are saying now is that it weeds out those without patience. I know you're offering a kind of branch here, but there are just some things that are not ok and some things that are. Opinions are ok. You think it's fun and I think it's boring. The Gamespot reviewer thinks it deserves a 4/10.
When you say that the games interface requires patience and that other games that have easy interfaces are boring, I responded by saying that even once you get over the interface, the game at it's core is still boring.
You then said that I was zealous in my attempt to salt wounds. Perhaps I just see that this game is rather boring overall.
Edit: And besides, without people like us and others on this site, the site would be boring.
I will have to agree with Cold here, you have on multiple occasions attacked posters who didn't agree with your opinion on the game with nothing more than to force your opinion as gospel and paint everyone else as heretics. And most often than not it was an unprovoked attack, sort of like a preemptive strike against naysayers.
As for the review, reading a lot of user comments via the lodestone, metacritic, ffxivcore and various other sites, there are a lot of people (specially FFXI players) who feel the same way as the reviewer. Do we want the game to fail? No. Do we want developers to own up to their mistakes and actually have a game release in a better state than this? Yes. And for a lot (and I mean a lot) of people out there, this game was disappointing in many ways. It's not a matter of Hardcore vs. Casual or even Old School vs New School.
And it's great that you like the game and are enjoying the hell out of it. We are happy for you. Just don't dismiss others opinions as BS just because they don't see the game in the same light.
There are 3 types of people in the world. 1.) Those who make things happen 2.) Those who watch things happen 3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
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I think that you underestimate your own zealousness and overestimate my own. The things you have said about people that don't like this game in the past have truly been insulting.
Games operate differently on each platform, so sometimes the scores are different because of that. While a game may be great on the PC it might have a terrible port to a console.
"Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game."-Guybrush Threepwood
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."-Hunter S. Thompson
Judging by the general state of our respective stars, I'd say the moderators would agree we've both said a lot of things we've ended up regretting. If you're determined to stay that course, perhaps utilizing a bad GameSpot review as evidence I was wrong to ever have anything good to say about the game, we'll not be long for these forums.
^ This.
Also when it came to a game like FFXI being on multiple platforms, you have to take into account things like the various platforms load times and control schemes.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
Crucifixion. A bit dramatic.
Anyway, my point was that for all their lack of usability in order to encourage only the most patient of us play it, they forgot to make an exciting game underneath the tangled mess. Between daily quests, grinding, gathering and crafting this game is boring at the core of it's design.
Edit: Oh, of course. You removed the word crucifixion from your post. I should always remember to quote you every time to make sure you don't change the meaning of your post entirely.
Review is spot on.
Square would of been in better shape if they had of made a WoW clone and placed it in the FF universe....
Make you wonder what game xarkaix is paying $15.00 per month for!
After reading his review than watching it it is clear he does not like this game. I also felt the review was overly critical and did not spend enough time on the actual positives of the game( I mean I realize this is not a perfect game, but how in the world did it score lower than STO!). I do like FFXIV, and hope SE pays attention to these upcoming reviews. Unfortunately SE can be a bit dismissive and just ignore negative feedback. What worries me is how soon the review came out; it just does not seam like he would have had enough time to play till the endgame ( it would not be the first time Gamespot has had to rescind a MMORPG review because the reviewer did not spend enough time playing the game). That being said I think in a month we might see the Metacritic score sit around a 60/100( I say this because people will naturally try to score close to Gamespot, but might be more forgiving). In the end only time will tell.
"Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game."-Guybrush Threepwood
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."-Hunter S. Thompson
Well, on the plus side, I just got a buddy key!
So, after it finishes downloading in about half an hour and I get it all updated and setup AND my PC hopefully doesn't blow up from being so low on the specs, I'll hopefully get to see once and for all what the games about.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
-And on the 8th day, man created God.-
I happen to think the game is fun, daily quests, grinding, gathering, crafting, and all. Where does that leave us?
I still play the game and still enjoy it. To bad it is you that cant face the fact that some do like it. I have my own opinions and will trust my own taste on what I like, as you should on yours. Thanks.
I would assume that it leaves you both at a state of 'Agree to Disagree'...
I could be wrong though /shrug
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
Why...just play WoW and it has 6 years on content. I dont want the MMO market to be stuck with WoW forever. Can we please move on?
That dont happen on these forums. If you dont agree you have to resort to name calling. Its the only way.
That would be awesome, I would like that. After all, who isn't sick of hearing me say, "if the game isn't for you, that's okay, no game is for everyone" - it's the epitome of agreeing to disagreeing.
Unfortunately, what it's been my experience will happen is it will turn into an argument about how I need to acknowledge that if they don't like the game, it's the game's fault, and I'm wrong for liking it.
In the past, sooner or later I'd get frustrated and say something like, "well fine, I'm glad we'll not have to deal with you in the game I like" or "maybe this game's too smart for you" or something like that. That's typically when the warning/ban would strike because when such a post is reported for trolling/flaming at that point, who's the mod to disagree? They can't see the paper trail of what I had to endure that finally pushed me that far, that I was, in the end, as much a victim as anyone else.
Where have you been? These forums are FFA PvP.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
-And on the 8th day, man created God.-
I honestly wonder what would be so bad here? It's obvious that WoW has the winning recipe for MMOs. Their sheer sub numbers prove that, not to mention their xpacs SHATTER sales records. Why such the hate on WoW? Yes, the community at times can be abrasive. And yes, the grind to end game, gear up for the next raid system gets old after awhile, but it keeps a lot of us coming back for more. So I honestly ask, what would be so bad about a WoW clone set in FF land? Or Star Wars? Or Fallout? Or <insert any other rpg here>? It seems silly for a company who wants to actually make money to change up what is clearly not broken.
Can't we all just get along?
*Reaches to give eyeswideopen a friendly hug and then suddenly stabs him in the kidney and twists the blade...*
Hrm... I guess you were right...
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
Hopefully, it leaves us in a place where we don't say that this game was meant to weed out lazy people and spazzes. That is what you said before. What you are saying now is that it weeds out those without patience. I know you're offering a kind of branch here, but there are just some things that are not ok and some things that are. Opinions are ok. You think it's fun and I think it's boring. The Gamespot reviewer thinks it deserves a 4/10.
When you say that the games interface requires patience and that other games that have easy interfaces are boring, I responded by saying that even once you get over the interface, the game at it's core is still boring.
You then said that I was zealous in my attempt to salt wounds. Perhaps I just see that this game is rather boring overall.
Edit: And besides, without people like us and others on this site, the site would be boring.
You're not wrong for liking it. You're wrong for going to posts about "Should I buy this game?" and posting everything that's good about the game, but omitting the much larger list of things that aren't good, or at least could be subjective to the player. I've seen you do it many times in these boards. If you want to come in and say "I like it, here's why, but other's don't like it because....", then no one will have a problem with it. As it stands, you're actively trying to pull people into this game without giving them the full story.
I for one understand you dont like the game. What I have found through my post is people that dont like the game dont understand why I like it or flame people who do like it. They basically try to tell you that you should agree with them because they say the game sucks and that is it....period. Which is not the case...
Guys you are not allowed to lead them by the hand to this review. That is all.
You wrong me, sir. In fact, when I saw the "should I play this game" thread, I chose to butt out. It wasn't because I didn't think I could give an unbiased opinion. Rather, it was because I saw that the player was a World of Warcraft player and thought to myself that he may not have been in the appropriate niche, or maybe he was in the appropriate niche despite liking World of Warcraft. I take game recommendations very seriously, and there just wasn't enough information to go on.
I am, however, deeply polarized as a fanboy of the game specifically because I find focusing on the game's general GUI ponderousness, lack of direction, technical issues, or the subjective thing of "fun," to be overexaggeratory.
I know what you're saying. What bothers me is that I think they could have done so much better than they did. I feel like they really dropped the ball on this one. They have funding and a team that has made some pretty impressive games. I feel like there are things in this game that are great, but it just could have been so much better than it is right now.
I will have to agree with Cold here, you have on multiple occasions attacked posters who didn't agree with your opinion on the game with nothing more than to force your opinion as gospel and paint everyone else as heretics. And most often than not it was an unprovoked attack, sort of like a preemptive strike against naysayers.
As for the review, reading a lot of user comments via the lodestone, metacritic, ffxivcore and various other sites, there are a lot of people (specially FFXI players) who feel the same way as the reviewer. Do we want the game to fail? No. Do we want developers to own up to their mistakes and actually have a game release in a better state than this? Yes. And for a lot (and I mean a lot) of people out there, this game was disappointing in many ways. It's not a matter of Hardcore vs. Casual or even Old School vs New School.
And it's great that you like the game and are enjoying the hell out of it. We are happy for you. Just don't dismiss others opinions as BS just because they don't see the game in the same light.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"