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That is so cool.Maybe my old swg guild will try this one out . Here's to hoping the azures give it a shot.
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What you described is not a story just players running around killing eachother. Story has characters with their own background and personal stories. There is no depth and excitement in what you just described infact this was the most boring excuse for story i have ever read. Another reason why Bioware rocks in storytelling department.
There's already a game for that and it is called Darkfall.
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What?lol
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What's there to what about? He's exactly right. I guess the only people that wouldn't see the problem are those used to super instanced small scale linear WoW clones (ie, not real MMORPG fans). Bioware is good at making linear singleplayer RPGs. This looks to be the kind of MMORPG they're making too. Nothing massive or very multiplayer about it. Their big selling point is scripted instances... if I wanted that, I'd be playing a singleplayer game and saving myself 15 bucks a month.
So this game isn't made for him or you. That's unfortunate.
I still think that Bioware will capture a large enough audience to recoup their investment.
Some people like to play games to be challenged mentally. These people are the minority. Most gamers (these days) want to come home from work and play a game that takes little to no effort.
Most people are so tired from work and thinking all day, that they want to come home and not think.
So the trend to restrict games so much that we include the least common denominator continues. There just isn't much you can do about it. Most people don't like to think.
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SWTOR has an amount of content to offer that dwarfs all other MMO's, more variety, depth and abundance in questing content than any MMO before.
Besides that, as far as as it looks its world will be huge, massive, easily being a lot larger than a WoW, its expansions included.
1 SWTOR planet is already almost about the size of the whole Rift world, and there's 17 Planets ingame at launch.
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Nonsense. There's enough people who have intellectually tough and demanding jobs, but who want for their MMO's less puzzles and brainbreakers as they want easy entertainment for their tv shows. Doesn't mean that they won't like to think and concentrate intensely, just not all the time for all their entertainment.
Besides, I've played oldschool MMO's and sandbox MMO's, if you think that you need to use that much brainpower to play those MMO's then your expectations are really low. The only MMO that qualifies for having to use your brain in an immersive, more acitive capacity is maybe TSW, where all kinds of puzzle quests and mystery ARG's are included.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Are we still talking about mmo's and video games?
I've done plenty of homework. They can have giant planets as much as they want, but when their main selling point is scripted mostly singleplayer instances, we won't be using that world very much. And having "more" questing content isn't exactly a good thing in a genre oversaturated with quest grinding. "But the questing will be fun because Bioware does it!" Well, I got tired of grinding quests 6 years ago, if I desperately wanted to quest by myself I'd play Kotor. And no, I've seen very little variety or depth out of this game so far. SWG had massive planets too, but they were boring as hell, nothing there.
This game, from its art direction of trying to mimic the movies, the cell shading, and the weird spikey Sith armor, to the linearity, this game obviously isn't aimed at the core MMO audience.
Well, I think that are many MMO gamers and sandbox fans who disagree with you that SWG's large planets made it boring. In any case it's a lot different from the 'small scale' worlds that you were scorning about.
In the magnitude of dislikes you have when it comes to MMO's, I think you'll finding yourself among an ever more dwindling 'core MMO audience', with a smaller and smaller group of people that have the (very) narrow taste in MMO gaming that you seem to have.
As for the questing, as the demo reports show, SWTOR will have grouping that is valid, fun and engaging right from the earliest levels. In fact, some demo players leveled up to level 10 by doing only grouping and group content, no need for doing class story content at all for those that don't want to.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Where'd you pull that one out of? Instanced content is only 10% of the game. Thats a direct number from the developers. 90% of what you'll be doing is out in the open world, with others. Couple that with the statistic that once you're off your homeworld your personal (single player) story goes from being 90% on your home world to about 40% in the mid game, and less than 10% closer to end game, you have the majority of your time running World Arcs, Group Content, and PvP.
The game is aimed at its core demographic, and its hit that core pretty well considering the buzz its drawn.
I think your biggest mistake is in assuming that YOU are the core MMO audience.
It's obvious that you're determined not to like this game, and that's fine. When your assumptions about single player instances are debunked, then you jump onto the evils of questing. Ummmm... you hate questing? MMO's are built around questing, if you don't like it, find another genre. Or play the garbage out there without questing
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Nope, it's made for the same audience the last 7 big budget failed "MMO"RPGs were made for. Devs still haven't learned it seems.
It may be 10% of the game world, but surely not 10% of the content. Every interview, preview, what have you, talks about the massive and lengthy storyline with dialogue trees and all that jazz! All of which takes place in instances. So yes, that is their main selling point "Our game has a story!"
OP i agree 100%. in my opinion, there is very little to be excited about. i wouldnt mind an on-rails pve experience if the pvp was amazing. but it is obvious that pvp will be an afterthought in TOR. in addition, the combat mechanics are dated and i see absolutely no innovation in any area of the game.
Yes because turning a profit means that you failed.
Lets agree right now to never go into business together.
Lmao, yeah because getting shut down and having your partners going bankrupt = turning a profit alright. Go and tell Funcom how successful their WoW clone was. And Mythic, I'm sure the- oh wait Mythic got dissolved when WAR failed...
There's nothing obvious about it. This week there's a lot of pvp info upcoming from the preview weekends, so I guess we'll find out.
The combat mechanics are only dated when you dislike how combat in MMO's is done, but then again, why would you even bother with MMO's if you hate how combat is done in MMO's? I mean, seriously, why do you even play MMO's if you dislike MMO combat?
Besides, cover mechanics haven't been done in MMO's, certainly not how SWTOR uses it.
According to your definition, all MMO's have failed besides WoW and EVE, and the genre only exists of those 2 MMO's. Anything else is apparently bankrupt and failing in subs and revenues.
... can't you see for yourself how flawed your arguments and reasoning is, and how filled they are with wishful thinking?
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Really? I thought the game quality was something different than the perception of people
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While I would agree with you that we old school MMORPG players are what the core used to be, I actually think we are obsolete. I honestly have the same views as you do on what a good MMO is, but the core audience of anything, is the audience that uses a given product the most, for the most profit, pure and simple. WoW has the numbers now, and whether guys like you and I used to be the core audience or not, there is no going back. Money talks...you know the rest.
We have, imo, become a niche market (I actually like both styles, for different reasons, and have never seen the need to limit myself to a rails quest game, or a sandbox--they can both be fun to me). Unless sandbox games can create hundreds of millions of dollars, we sandbox lovers will never be a core audience again. Period.
I'm not sure I would say the older more diverse players are the core gamers of the entire MMORPG world anymore. I think it has shifted to the more casual players. Now if you separate the games and especially take out F2P and WOW you'd probably have a core gamer sect that more closely resembles what you believe. The problem is that there's more money to be made on the weekend gamers than on the old school guys that know what a good game should be. That said, quests are pretty ridiculous, and have become way to much of the focus for games. I'll probably get ripped a new one for this but I'm glad for GW2 at least trying to do something else, and I'm hoping it's uber successful, that way other AAA titles will see that WOW is not the direction games should be evolving.
Core audience = The main kind of people who watch a particular type of programme, listen to a particular type of music etc.
Main = the chief or largest part.
So the core audience is the largest part of all people who play MMOs. The largest part of people that play MMOs are the casual audience that enjoys WoW. As such they are the core audience.
Calling them the core audience is like calling you an idiot. A perfectly valid assessment.
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I think that all depends on how you look at it. While flashpoints are going to be complete instances, thats not to say that every group quest will be a flashpoint. In fact, I wouldn't doubt that there will be quite a bit of world quests, encounters and the like where you'll be out in the open world.
A point of reference, in one of the most recent events (PAX) when they were showing Hoth and Tatooine they were talking about how big the open worlds were, and how they have content in every part of these worlds for players. I find this a way to bridge open world and group play across the zones. While they may have personal quests that will take you to these areas, it doesn't sound like it will be just a fleeting moment where you're there for one or two open world quests and then you move on. Each part of the world sounds like they want players to get together and explore.
Furthermore, for PvP. Contested zones are open world zones, so while Warzones may only allow for 4 - (probably) 16 tops, and be instanced, the contested zones and open world PvP will cater to much higher groups with much larger rewards. (owning an entire zone and the benefits of that - still yet to be released).
While the game has story, and they talk about that, I think too many people put emphasis on "Story to BioWare means Voiceover instance quests." and I don't think thats correct at all.
@ OP: judging by your post it is clear that you dislike themepark MMO's. You fantasise a SW MMO in an open, trully sandbox environment. Now, i am going to be a bit blunt here and tell you and other SWG vets to let it go already. Bioware was very, very clear about what kind of game they where making since day 1. A THEMEPARK one with ALL the norms we find in such a MMO. This is what TOR is going to be and no matter how much some people whine its NOT going to change. They just have to find something else that will suit their tastes.
Personally, i am going to have lots of fun with TOR. Why? Because it's SW and because it's made by Bioware. Hell, they can create Star Wars worlds and feelings better than George Lucas can, judging from his prequel movies and Bioware's KotOR. And since all my MMO experience so far consists of themepark games i don't care about TOR being one.