If a newly released game needs patches (except bug fixes ofc) and expansions to keep people playing before its first month, then there is really a big problem with it.
A game at launch must be desirable to play and not wait for a patch to see if its ok to continue subscribing after its first month
Kinda makes you wonder where all the money went doesnt it? My best guess is the VO, but was that really worth it? Was it worth spending 100 million + on a game that people can only stand for a few weeks that isnt nearly as good as games with smaller budgets?
I havnt played much swtor, but from what I can tell its enjoyment per dollar spent on dev is much much lower than many other mmos recently out.
LoL, I dont remember about a MMO with the amount of content that swtor have at launch. Rift didnt even have an endgame, War endgame was broken at launch, same with AoC, Aion, even WoW and etc etc etc. You have a lot to do at endgame in swtor, and we will have new content and fixes to illum this month where most the of playerbase is not even 50 yet. Good thing people is smart enough to not listen all the haters, and maybe thats why the population in swtor is growing everyday.
Sorry but server population charts say otherwise.
There is currently a very clear downwards trend for population in ToR.
So what's the max load population wise on these servers?
I think it was 3600 concurrent per server at the moment, at least for those servers of which the player cap has been raised up to that point over the course of the past weeks.
Swtorarena charts are less dependable than xfire and raptr, I think, at least for the moment, since they're using the server status indicators as measurement system, and the meaning of 'full', 'heavy', 'standard' etc right now is different from what it was in the 1st week or 2, and I suspect it's also not the same for all servers yet. Therefore xfire and raptr for now seem to be the more trustworthy choice for trendspotting (as far as they can be dependable for the rough lines).
can't wait to see the real sub numbers because that alone will speak volumes about how aweful this game is and how terribly the problems it had were handled.
- people getting boring fast with the 3 mini battlegrounds, way too small.
- world pvp doesnt exist and ILLUM even after a month has very low pvp activities
- 2 new flashpoints only for lvl 50
* the world isnt that exciting to explore anything and rather dull, I dont even feel that much StarWars
* pvp is currently quiete bad and needs a lot of balance and rework (huge thread alone about broken mitigation for tanks, threads about too high dmg from certain classes with buff stucking+consumeables)
At the end....even a fps free to play game like Team Fortress II holds you longer than this mmorpg currently, so something is terrible wrong.
People "blazing" through content is undoubtedly "people" fault..not Bioware. I've been playing and enjoying the game consistently since the first day of pre-release and my Bounty Hunter just hit level 40. I'm happy with the pacing and I've yet to max out any crafting or run all flashpoints available to me. I've done all heroics questing planetside available to me .As diversion I enjoy PvP and the space mini-game. Plenty to do ...still.
Pretty much this. If you are level 50 within a week, you need to get out more, its really not healthy to play video games that much. I'm a pretty fast leveler, and my first character took 3 weeks. If it took any longer to level, the casuals would call it a boring grind fest.
You know what I find hilarious? That you think 3 weeks is not "blazing through content". Anything shorter than 2 months is "blazing" IMO. I would much rather be leveling up and struggling a bit more with the content than simply plowing through it like no ones business.
Then again, I am not part of the tard gaming crew that exists these days. Where max level means everything, and the faster you get there, the better.
Considering I play my Bounty Hunter almost exclusively about 3 times more per week (in hours) than I've played any mmo character I'd have to say I disagree.The levelling curve does get slightly longer as you level and I am still 10 levels shy of max after a month of what I admittedly agree would be me uncharacteristically "blasting" through content. . Yet ...The rate that others must have gone to max out in 1-3 weeks just boggles my mind tbh. Truly it's all relative but despite my apparent "blasting" through content I'm not the one blaming Bioware for my haste.
It is obvoiusly a matter of opinion. I would rather spend 3 years leveling up. Than 3 weeks leveling up, 1 week finishing all the end game stuff they have an quit. I do play SWTOR A LOT, I mean, A LOT. More than most other MMO's I have played recently. I am also doing ALL the content there is to offer. I have finished every planet in it's entirity and have found over 3/4 of the datacrons so far.
I guess I am more comparing this to games like EVE online, WAR, EQ, Aion, the games that you are still progressing past a month or two. If not years on end. My EQ Necromancer had over 26 days play time on him at one point and wasn't even max level. This was over years of playing him more casually, but that is A LOT of play time. Progressing and improving your character is what I enjoy most. Not getting to max level and then grinding gear in the same stupid instances for months. That isn't fun at all.
Maybe I am "just getting too old for this shit", I might have to give in and let the ADD kiddies of today take over to play their mindless, easy-mode MMO's of today :P I still like to put up a fight for what I enjoy though.
At the end....even a fps free to play game like Team Fortress II holds you longer than this mmorpg currently, so something is terrible wrong.
Oh please, TF2 is a garbage game. It is "Pay to Win" now, not "Free to Play". Get it right. SWTOR is easily hundreds of times better than TF2 is now, that is for sure. And this is an MMO site, not an FPS site.
- people getting boring fast with the 3 mini battlegrounds, way too small.
- world pvp doesnt exist and ILLUM even after a month has very low pvp activities
- 2 new flashpoints only for lvl 50
* the world isnt that exciting to explore anything and rather dull, I dont even feel that much StarWars
* pvp is currently quiete bad and needs a lot of balance and rework (huge thread alone about broken mitigation for tanks, threads about too high dmg from certain classes with buff stucking+consumeables)
At the end....even a fps free to play game like Team Fortress II holds you longer than this mmorpg currently, so something is terrible wrong.
Less then a month in and already xpac talk. You know they will milk people by putting out a string of xpacs and people will fall for it.
You do realize that they (Bioware) probably have enough content shelved for the 1st two xpac's right?
Just a smart marketing/project management guess.
i find that sad. mainly because you get the feeling they shipped half-complete and will end up slugging us for the expansion which will go so far as providing perhaps a little of what they should've put in in the first place. personally, i hope it's free.
as for the end of sub time: my wife and i will continue another month. my wife is impressed by the look of the coats. she likes the way they move. and loves thwacking things with a lightsabre. me, i don't mind the agent.
i'm disappointed in the game, but it's not bad enough for me to not see what the end of the story's like.
we're playing it as a multiplayer rpg, not an mmo. i feel a bit ripped off to be paying a sub, but meh. we'll finish next month no doubt.
i laugh at those that point out "unofficial" statistics and these same stats point to what Bioware/EA have been saying 300,000 to 350,000 concurrent users.
I haven't heard any official numbers on that so far. The 350 concurrent users was an estimate and not by BW/EA.
I like ToR so far. It isn't all that and it has a shiton of problems but its fun to mess around in. I am in no rush to "play it out to 50" and beat the game or anything and no rush to raid at end game. So for me..it fits the bill. So long as 3 other people stay playing on my server to group with every now and then all good.
On the other hand I don't really have alot of choices out there right now. I won't play wow anymore for my own reasons and I have tried most of all the other garbage that is out there already. AOC = trash, Warhammer = trash, all the FTP RMT shit = not even good enough to be called trash.
I still play EvE (even after monoclegate cause nothing else is like EvE) EvE doesn't count. It is like owning a Ferrari. You still need the Chevy to get to work daily. Perpetuum (spelling) was decent but not my cup of tea. I would rather play Mechwarrior.
GW2 and Archage are NOT OUT YET. SO don't say go play them, duh. (yes those are the 2 I am waiting for) TSW is Funcom so it will suck. D-3 has Bobby K's sack all over it so thats a pass.
Shit I am depressing myself and totally off on a tangent Think I'll dust off Total War and wipe out the French for amusement.
Yes I am going to stay subbed to ToR for now due to primarily a lack of anything else to bother with. (And it is somewhat fun)
Every day more and more ppl get to lvl 50. Every day they realize that there is nothing to do except the same old grinding.
Nothing to do at 50? I need to head to another MMO where there are plenty of things to do at max level besides grinding for gear/mats/rep.
Can you recommend one please?
Brilliant post. Can someone recommend one to me too? Because for me mmorpgs are heading towards becoming a dead genre. They are all singleplayer online games with a chatbox now. Someone mentioned how easy they are as well earlier. My 7 year old played Rift and LOTRO and plays SWtOR without any trouble. Zero challenge.
I'm hoping someone in the games industry will wake up, remember UO and EQ and go back there, not innovative but fun and immersive, but it won't happen because it's all about the short term buck rather than long term investment and enjoyment of players.
Why didn't anyone at Bioware think about player organised gangs on Nar Shaddaa with gang dens? What about player run Jedi temples with their own vendors and masters (players can buy crafting quests why not class quests)? Why don't the card tables and the slot machines on Nar Shaddaa work to give the place a more immersive feel? No thought beyond simple themepark events that happen to players rather than built by players. What a shame and a waste of time yet again.
Even the most basic fun thing that was obvious to me was bounties on players for bounty hunters to carry out, or Jedi sent to hunt a player Sith. That would have been excellent.
I think the point is that people are tired of that same treadmill and is evident by the fact its most peoples number one complaint. Bioware was leaning heavy on the idea people would role multiple alts before they had to concern themselves with to much endgame content. They are releasing a patch with content next week but they havent even fixed the current endgame content so in reality what does more that will likely be borked matter.
This is true, i've never had so many alts in a game. I'm playing 9 characters, none past 30 yet, mainly because of the story of each. After 3 weeks I think I was probably close to max level in Rift. Many might stick with the game longer to play through the stories, but it feels like a con when you can play a story based game like Skyrim without paying a monthly sub.
Every day more and more ppl get to lvl 50. Every day they realize that there is nothing to do except the same old grinding.
Nothing to do at 50? I need to head to another MMO where there are plenty of things to do at max level besides grinding for gear/mats/rep.
Can you recommend one please?
Brilliant post. Can someone recommend one to me too? Because for me mmorpgs are heading towards becoming a dead genre. They are all singleplayer online games with a chatbox now. Someone mentioned how easy they are as well earlier. My 7 year old played Rift and LOTRO and plays SWtOR without any trouble. Zero challenge.
I'm hoping someone in the games industry will wake up, remember UO and EQ and go back there, not innovative but fun and immersive, but it won't happen because it's all about the short term buck rather than long term investment and enjoyment of players.
Why didn't anyone at Bioware think about player organised gangs on Nar Shaddaa with gang dens? What about player run Jedi temples with their own vendors and masters (players can buy crafting quests why not class quests)? Why don't the card tables and the slot machines on Nar Shaddaa work to give the place a more immersive feel? No thought beyond simple themepark events that happen to players rather than built by players. What a shame and a waste of time yet again.
Even the most basic fun thing that was obvious to me was bounties on players for bounty hunters to carry out, or Jedi sent to hunt a player Sith. That would have been excellent.
So true i think the problem is with investors rather tha developers though . They see Warcraft and want something like that to make them money . I bet Bioware thought of all sorts of things that never made it into the game because they were constraind . I'm not at all disapointed in ToR its what I thought it would be Mass Effect with mmo elements . BUT I would love to see a truely immersive mmo come along . WoW in its initial years was quite immersive but Blizzard has made it less and less so . Sadly rather than look at Vanilla WoW as a watermark developers look at current WoW . I never play UO or EQ but I bet they were a lot of fun and certainly sound like something I would have enjoyed . I think from what I've seen I may get six months out of ToR which is fine by me . I shall simply play another game untill theres an expac or enough patched content to tempt me back .
I'm one of the growing numbers of mmo nomads who chop and change and don't get bored . The only thing I would say between all the free to play games and sub based ones I enjoy like ToR and Rift I feel no inclination to ever return to WoW now other than to test it out in 3d on some welcome back or another .
leveled a smuggler up to 31, couldn't push any further, logged 3 times this week, killed 2 groups of mobs each time, and just couldn't force myself to continue.
The quests are the same, kill 15 bugs, click 4 glowing containers... And combat is boring, maybe it's only smuggler case, but i dont feel any dynamic, i just sit behind cover spamming abilities, and it feels rigid...
That's what it felt like for me, but I've been playing wow, linegae and aoc, and stopped 2 years ago, maybe it's just this MMO's are not for me anymore. i was hopping for something new and 'next gen'. For a person that plays MMO first time, and is SW fan, it is probably mucho more fun.
I think the point is that people are tired of that same treadmill and is evident by the fact its most peoples number one complaint. Bioware was leaning heavy on the idea people would role multiple alts before they had to concern themselves with to much endgame content. They are releasing a patch with content next week but they havent even fixed the current endgame content so in reality what does more that will likely be borked matter.
This is true, i've never had so many alts in a game. I'm playing 9 characters, none past 30 yet, mainly because of the story of each. After 3 weeks I think I was probably close to max level in Rift. Many might stick with the game longer to play through the stories, but it feels like a con when you can play a story based game like Skyrim without paying a monthly sub.
leveled a smuggler up to 31, couldn't push any further, logged 3 times this week, killed 2 groups of mobs each time, and just couldn't force myself to continue.
The quests are the same, kill 15 bugs, click 4 glowing containers... And combat is boring, maybe it's only smuggler case, but i dont feel any dynamic, i just sit behind cover spamming abilities, and it feels rigid...
That's what it felt like for me, but I've been playing wow, linegae and aoc, and stopped 2 years ago, maybe it's just this MMO's are not for me anymore. i was hopping for something new and 'next gen'. For a person that plays MMO first time, and is SW fan, it is probably mucho more fun.
This sums up EXACTLY how I feel. I got to 30 with my Juggernaut, and just couldn't take it anymore. I played in beta, so I have no one to blame but myself, but I kept hearing how the game "opened up" the further you got. It doesn't. It's the exact same game we've all played before, but with the minor addition of "voice acting", and I am going to go ahead and say right now that voice acting is NOT what this genre of gaming was missing out on. A few days ago, I transferred guild leadership to another player, and logged for good. This has been the single biggest disappointment I have ever experienced in gaming.
leveled a smuggler up to 31, couldn't push any further, logged 3 times this week, killed 2 groups of mobs each time, and just couldn't force myself to continue.
The quests are the same, kill 15 bugs, click 4 glowing containers... And combat is boring, maybe it's only smuggler case, but i dont feel any dynamic, i just sit behind cover spamming abilities, and it feels rigid...
That's what it felt like for me, but I've been playing wow, linegae and aoc, and stopped 2 years ago, maybe it's just this MMO's are not for me anymore. i was hopping for something new and 'next gen'. For a person that plays MMO first time, and is SW fan, it is probably mucho more fun.
This sums up EXACTLY how I feel. I got to 30 with my Juggernaut, and just couldn't take it anymore. I played in beta, so I have no one to blame but myself, but I kept hearing how the game "opened up" the further you got. It doesn't. It's the exact same game we've all played before, but with the minor addition of "voice acting", and I am going to go ahead and say right now that voice acting is NOT what this genre of gaming was missing out on. A few days ago, I transferred guild leadership to another player, and logged for good. This has been the single biggest disappointment I have ever experienced in gaming.
this issue for me is the combat, its so dull and so boring.. for the animations to work well you need to stand there playing wack a mole and if yuo move around it just doesn't blend well at all.. especially melee. The main issues are the abilities are so generic so unispired and to top that off you have one of the worst talent trees I have ever seen in a game like this... nothing interesting about the trees with the stances and ammo types it pretty much tries to force you into one tree and you are gimping yourself for doing a hybrid build in many cases.
Combat takes a huge portion of your time in any MMO and for it to feel like this really really dissapoints me and is the #1 reason I'm struggling to decide whether to continue to play or not
Less then a month in and already xpac talk. You know they will milk people by putting out a string of xpacs and people will fall for it.
You do realize that they (Bioware) probably have enough content shelved for the 1st two xpac's right?
Just a smart marketing/project management guess.
Yup. Milk milk milk....another reason to play sandbox games
Maybe YOUR reason but not OUR reason. Quit hijacking the thread troll.
The thread is about people leaving because of content. Which I'm talking about so get off your high horse and realize there's better games out there. Also most, if not all sandbox games do free content releases (eve to be one).
Eve is probably not a good example considering the only reason they did a 180 was because their ship was going down, after that whole incarna/monocle debacle.
"Forums aren't for intelligent discussion; they're for blow-hards with unwavering opinions."
.....for the people that bought the game when it released. What about all the people that bought it after it released or have yet to start playing it? The end of the free month does not appraoch for everyone so therefore your post is a bit pointless really.
As I still have my free month, I logged back in today. I started with a Bounty Hunter that got to level 12 and reached DK, but then I got to thinking that I'd have to see all these new cutscenes as I hadn't played through the Empire side. That alone turned me right off, I just really didn't want to have to sit through another 12 hours of people telling me their life story only to end it with, "Go click on those 4 glowing things.". No thanks.
So I went to what I already know and made a Jedi Shadow, but again I only reached level 13 before I just couldn't face it anymore. The game is just boring - it's the quest content more than anything, it's the same thing time and time again. Go here, click those, come back, go there, kill him, come back. Yawn!
And so the game is yet again uninstalled, for good this time around.
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Kinda makes you wonder where all the money went doesnt it? My best guess is the VO, but was that really worth it? Was it worth spending 100 million + on a game that people can only stand for a few weeks that isnt nearly as good as games with smaller budgets?
I havnt played much swtor, but from what I can tell its enjoyment per dollar spent on dev is much much lower than many other mmos recently out.
LoL, I dont remember about a MMO with the amount of content that swtor have at launch. Rift didnt even have an endgame, War endgame was broken at launch, same with AoC, Aion, even WoW and etc etc etc. You have a lot to do at endgame in swtor, and we will have new content and fixes to illum this month where most the of playerbase is not even 50 yet. Good thing people is smart enough to not listen all the haters, and maybe thats why the population in swtor is growing everyday.
Sorry but server population charts say otherwise.
There is currently a very clear downwards trend for population in ToR.
So what's the max load population wise on these servers?
I think it was 3600 concurrent per server at the moment, at least for those servers of which the player cap has been raised up to that point over the course of the past weeks.
Swtorarena charts are less dependable than xfire and raptr, I think, at least for the moment, since they're using the server status indicators as measurement system, and the meaning of 'full', 'heavy', 'standard' etc right now is different from what it was in the 1st week or 2, and I suspect it's also not the same for all servers yet. Therefore xfire and raptr for now seem to be the more trustworthy choice for trendspotting (as far as they can be dependable for the rough lines).can't wait to see the real sub numbers because that alone will speak volumes about how aweful this game is and how terribly the problems it had were handled.
A lot of people will leave for sure.
Reasons:
* not enough high end content
- people getting boring fast with the 3 mini battlegrounds, way too small.
- world pvp doesnt exist and ILLUM even after a month has very low pvp activities
- 2 new flashpoints only for lvl 50
* the world isnt that exciting to explore anything and rather dull, I dont even feel that much StarWars
* pvp is currently quiete bad and needs a lot of balance and rework (huge thread alone about broken mitigation for tanks, threads about too high dmg from certain classes with buff stucking+consumeables)
At the end....even a fps free to play game like Team Fortress II holds you longer than this mmorpg currently, so something is terrible wrong.
It is obvoiusly a matter of opinion. I would rather spend 3 years leveling up. Than 3 weeks leveling up, 1 week finishing all the end game stuff they have an quit. I do play SWTOR A LOT, I mean, A LOT. More than most other MMO's I have played recently. I am also doing ALL the content there is to offer. I have finished every planet in it's entirity and have found over 3/4 of the datacrons so far.
I guess I am more comparing this to games like EVE online, WAR, EQ, Aion, the games that you are still progressing past a month or two. If not years on end. My EQ Necromancer had over 26 days play time on him at one point and wasn't even max level. This was over years of playing him more casually, but that is A LOT of play time. Progressing and improving your character is what I enjoy most. Not getting to max level and then grinding gear in the same stupid instances for months. That isn't fun at all.
Maybe I am "just getting too old for this shit", I might have to give in and let the ADD kiddies of today take over to play their mindless, easy-mode MMO's of today :P I still like to put up a fight for what I enjoy though.
Oh please, TF2 is a garbage game. It is "Pay to Win" now, not "Free to Play". Get it right. SWTOR is easily hundreds of times better than TF2 is now, that is for sure. And this is an MMO site, not an FPS site.
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Yupper I already took my payment info off my SWTOR account. My friends have all done the same.
In fact with a week left in my free month and im already back to WOW and brushing up on Guild Wars 1 (Home work for Guild wars 2
Agree with OP no reason to stay sub'ed to this game
i find that sad. mainly because you get the feeling they shipped half-complete and will end up slugging us for the expansion which will go so far as providing perhaps a little of what they should've put in in the first place. personally, i hope it's free.
as for the end of sub time: my wife and i will continue another month. my wife is impressed by the look of the coats. she likes the way they move. and loves thwacking things with a lightsabre. me, i don't mind the agent.
i'm disappointed in the game, but it's not bad enough for me to not see what the end of the story's like.
we're playing it as a multiplayer rpg, not an mmo. i feel a bit ripped off to be paying a sub, but meh. we'll finish next month no doubt.
I haven't heard any official numbers on that so far. The 350 concurrent users was an estimate and not by BW/EA.
I like ToR so far. It isn't all that and it has a shiton of problems but its fun to mess around in. I am in no rush to "play it out to 50" and beat the game or anything and no rush to raid at end game. So for me..it fits the bill. So long as 3 other people stay playing on my server to group with every now and then all good.
On the other hand I don't really have alot of choices out there right now. I won't play wow anymore for my own reasons and I have tried most of all the other garbage that is out there already. AOC = trash, Warhammer = trash, all the FTP RMT shit = not even good enough to be called trash.
I still play EvE (even after monoclegate cause nothing else is like EvE) EvE doesn't count. It is like owning a Ferrari. You still need the Chevy to get to work daily. Perpetuum (spelling) was decent but not my cup of tea. I would rather play Mechwarrior.
GW2 and Archage are NOT OUT YET. SO don't say go play them, duh. (yes those are the 2 I am waiting for) TSW is Funcom so it will suck. D-3 has Bobby K's sack all over it so thats a pass.
Shit I am depressing myself and totally off on a tangent
Think I'll dust off Total War and wipe out the French for amusement.
Yes I am going to stay subbed to ToR for now due to primarily a lack of anything else to bother with. (And it is somewhat fun)
Nothing to do at 50? I need to head to another MMO where there are plenty of things to do at max level besides grinding for gear/mats/rep.
Can you recommend one please?
Brilliant post. Can someone recommend one to me too? Because for me mmorpgs are heading towards becoming a dead genre. They are all singleplayer online games with a chatbox now. Someone mentioned how easy they are as well earlier. My 7 year old played Rift and LOTRO and plays SWtOR without any trouble. Zero challenge.
I'm hoping someone in the games industry will wake up, remember UO and EQ and go back there, not innovative but fun and immersive, but it won't happen because it's all about the short term buck rather than long term investment and enjoyment of players.
Why didn't anyone at Bioware think about player organised gangs on Nar Shaddaa with gang dens? What about player run Jedi temples with their own vendors and masters (players can buy crafting quests why not class quests)? Why don't the card tables and the slot machines on Nar Shaddaa work to give the place a more immersive feel? No thought beyond simple themepark events that happen to players rather than built by players. What a shame and a waste of time yet again.
Even the most basic fun thing that was obvious to me was bounties on players for bounty hunters to carry out, or Jedi sent to hunt a player Sith. That would have been excellent.
This is true, i've never had so many alts in a game. I'm playing 9 characters, none past 30 yet, mainly because of the story of each. After 3 weeks I think I was probably close to max level in Rift. Many might stick with the game longer to play through the stories, but it feels like a con when you can play a story based game like Skyrim without paying a monthly sub.
So true i think the problem is with investors rather tha developers though . They see Warcraft and want something like that to make them money . I bet Bioware thought of all sorts of things that never made it into the game because they were constraind . I'm not at all disapointed in ToR its what I thought it would be Mass Effect with mmo elements . BUT I would love to see a truely immersive mmo come along . WoW in its initial years was quite immersive but Blizzard has made it less and less so . Sadly rather than look at Vanilla WoW as a watermark developers look at current WoW . I never play UO or EQ but I bet they were a lot of fun and certainly sound like something I would have enjoyed . I think from what I've seen I may get six months out of ToR which is fine by me . I shall simply play another game untill theres an expac or enough patched content to tempt me back .
I'm one of the growing numbers of mmo nomads who chop and change and don't get bored . The only thing I would say between all the free to play games and sub based ones I enjoy like ToR and Rift I feel no inclination to ever return to WoW now other than to test it out in 3d on some welcome back or another .
Got up to level 49 and hit a wall. I won't be Subbing.
The game is great and there are some redeeming qualities, but I honestly don't see it worth 15 bucks a month. The KOTOR novelty feeling gets old fast.
leveled a smuggler up to 31, couldn't push any further, logged 3 times this week, killed 2 groups of mobs each time, and just couldn't force myself to continue.
The quests are the same, kill 15 bugs, click 4 glowing containers... And combat is boring, maybe it's only smuggler case, but i dont feel any dynamic, i just sit behind cover spamming abilities, and it feels rigid...
That's what it felt like for me, but I've been playing wow, linegae and aoc, and stopped 2 years ago, maybe it's just this MMO's are not for me anymore. i was hopping for something new and 'next gen'. For a person that plays MMO first time, and is SW fan, it is probably mucho more fun.
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This sums up EXACTLY how I feel. I got to 30 with my Juggernaut, and just couldn't take it anymore. I played in beta, so I have no one to blame but myself, but I kept hearing how the game "opened up" the further you got. It doesn't. It's the exact same game we've all played before, but with the minor addition of "voice acting", and I am going to go ahead and say right now that voice acting is NOT what this genre of gaming was missing out on. A few days ago, I transferred guild leadership to another player, and logged for good. This has been the single biggest disappointment I have ever experienced in gaming.
FFXI
this issue for me is the combat, its so dull and so boring.. for the animations to work well you need to stand there playing wack a mole and if yuo move around it just doesn't blend well at all.. especially melee. The main issues are the abilities are so generic so unispired and to top that off you have one of the worst talent trees I have ever seen in a game like this... nothing interesting about the trees with the stances and ammo types it pretty much tries to force you into one tree and you are gimping yourself for doing a hybrid build in many cases.
Combat takes a huge portion of your time in any MMO and for it to feel like this really really dissapoints me and is the #1 reason I'm struggling to decide whether to continue to play or not
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
Eve is probably not a good example considering the only reason they did a 180 was because their ship was going down, after that whole incarna/monocle debacle.
"Forums aren't for intelligent discussion; they're for blow-hards with unwavering opinions."
.....for the people that bought the game when it released. What about all the people that bought it after it released or have yet to start playing it? The end of the free month does not appraoch for everyone so therefore your post is a bit pointless really.
So what, haha, i stopped playing an unsubbed a week ago!
Might be back for casual play when it goes F2P.
End of the free month approaches...and I only have one question/demand.
Can I have a lifetime sub option? Please??!
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
As I still have my free month, I logged back in today. I started with a Bounty Hunter that got to level 12 and reached DK, but then I got to thinking that I'd have to see all these new cutscenes as I hadn't played through the Empire side. That alone turned me right off, I just really didn't want to have to sit through another 12 hours of people telling me their life story only to end it with, "Go click on those 4 glowing things.". No thanks.
So I went to what I already know and made a Jedi Shadow, but again I only reached level 13 before I just couldn't face it anymore. The game is just boring - it's the quest content more than anything, it's the same thing time and time again. Go here, click those, come back, go there, kill him, come back. Yawn!
And so the game is yet again uninstalled, for good this time around.