they told everyone that the matches would be scaling duh who the heck cares. Stil doesn't mean you know what you are doing or have all the weapon skills or the elite/healing skills.
I thought mmorpgs were about progression, if I automatically wanted to get into the fray of things and have a game about 100% skill, wouldnt I play a twitched based FPS, mmorpgs should be 50% skill, 50% progression
I think posts like these, posts that are complete flame bait and without any proof, should warrant bans.
What? Why? RPGs have just about always been about the building and progression of a character. Your skill is represented by the knowldge you have of the systems in place, as well as mechanics used. This is a completely different skill set than what you find in an FPS or other genres.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Which is why I've been saying GW2 isn't really a "proper" MMORPG in the traditional sense because they've tried very hard to reduce/minimize the progression aspect of it and flatten it out more into a FPS model of leveling the playing field for everyone.
But no matter what you call it, there is obviously a huge playerbase who want this sort of title, so it will do great.
If I remember correctly from one of the old interviews, ANet guys said that MMO is not a game design, it's the technology behind it.
OMG someone is doing something different than EQ/WoW/WAR/AoC/TOR/EQ2 etc. etc.
No way it's going to work, I mean, everyone here just LOVES the fact that all these MMOs do things the same way right?!
we want something different until is turns out to be something different!
I know, it seems a lot of people were so let down by SW:TOR BECAUSE it wasn't different. But now that something is coming up with the possibility to be different, it is drawing a ton of scrutiny.
The "Youtube Pro": Someone who watches video's on said subject, and obviously has a full understanding of what is being said about such subject.
However, its not the same as being a level 80 and zoning into the mists. Once you zone out you are back to what ever level you were, and obviously once you are 80 in good gear you will be better off than someone who is level 1 stepping in with nothing and being buffed to make it a competition.
If you check out some Mists PVP vids you can see next to their level an (80)
So it would appear like (80) 15 as it does in this video.
So...just like SWTOR...
Pretty much, yes.
The WvW level-boosting is just like SWTOR, but the competitive PvP (BG) level boosting is not...
WHen you do a BG, you essentially play a different character that just happens to look like you and be the same class, but is level 80, has all the skills, and has max level gear. Compare this to SWTOR where you are just statistically boosed to level 50 but you gain no skills, and are stuck with your current gear and talents. That was the problem with SWTOR. If you boost a level 15 to level 50, he will still get owned by the level 50 because the level 50 has all the skills, better gear, etc.
That's only partly right, as after the 50's were separated into their own bracket, this wasn't really a problem. It was the lvl 50 PVP gear progression that casued the imbalance.
Well when I played...there was one bracket. They may have changed it, but that's definitely how it was at release .
I thought mmorpgs were about progression, if I automatically wanted to get into the fray of things and have a game about 100% skill, wouldnt I play a twitched based FPS, mmorpgs should be 50% skill, 50% progression
I think posts like these, posts that are complete flame bait and without any proof, should warrant bans.
What? Why? RPGs have just about always been about the building and progression of a character. Your skill is represented by the knowldge you have of the systems in place, as well as mechanics used. This is a completely different skill set than what you find in an FPS or other genres.
I think you quoted the wrong person
Hey look at that, I officially posted more times in this thread than the op.
Which is why I've been saying GW2 isn't really a "proper" MMORPG in the traditional sense because they've tried very hard to reduce/minimize the progression aspect of it and flatten it out more into a FPS model of leveling the playing field for everyone.
But no matter what you call it, there is obviously a huge playerbase who want this sort of title, so it will do great.
If I remember correctly from one of the old interviews, ANet guys said that MMO is not a game design, it's the technology powering behind it.
Let's not jump down this guy's throat just because he may be unfamiliar with the game. For me, part of the reason I'm excited about Guild Wars 2 (and I'm sure this applies to many of you), is that it challenges us to think differently about MMOs. If you're a fan of the game, you've got to understand that a lot of traditional MMO gamers are going to react this way when they hear some of these things.
I realize you guys get hit with a lot of craziness here in our GW2 forums and so you may be a bit frustrated or suspicious someone is trolling, but frankly it takes less effort to give someone the benefit of the doubt and just answer their question (or point them to a handy thread or article that does). The guy made a perfectly reasonable post. Most of us are trained to think of MMOs and even RPGs this way, but it doesn't mean he wouldn't be able to see things differently if explained to or otherwise informed.
TL;DR: Expect a lot of people to not "get it" about GW2, and some of them may not ever get it, or won't get it until they try the game themselves. If you truly care about growing the GW2 community, your best is to be inclusive when these sorts of questions pop up.
Apologies if it sounds like I'm scolding you guys, but I've been seeing a lot of this lately and I wanted to chime in.
I thought mmorpgs were about progression, if I automatically wanted to get into the fray of things and have a game about 100% skill, wouldnt I play a twitched based FPS, mmorpgs should be 50% skill, 50% progression
I think posts like these, posts that are complete flame bait and without any proof, should warrant bans.
What? Why? RPGs have just about always been about the building and progression of a character. Your skill is represented by the knowldge you have of the systems in place, as well as mechanics used. This is a completely different skill set than what you find in an FPS or other genres.
I think you quoted the wrong person
Hey look at that, I officially posted more times in this thread than the op.
Yeah maybe, I think I misundertood the post you quoted, still I was speaking to your ban comment though (with the why) :P.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Let's not jump down this guy's throat just because he may be unfamiliar with the game. For me, part of the reason I'm excited about Guild Wars 2 (and I'm sure this applies to many of you), is that it challenges us to think differently about MMOs. If you're a fan of the game, you've got to understand that a lot of traditional MMO gamers are going to react this way when they hear some of these things.
I realize you guys get hit with a lot of craziness here in our GW2 forums and so you may be a bit frustrated or suspicious someone is trolling, but frankly it takes less effort to give someone the benefit of the doubt and just answer their question (or point them to a handy thread or article that does). The guy made a perfectly reasonable post. Most of us are trained to think of MMOs and even RPGs this way, but it doesn't mean he wouldn't be able to see things differently if explained to or otherwise informed.
TL;DR: Expect a lot of people to not "get it" about GW2, and some of them may not ever get it, or won't get it until they try the game themselves. If you truly care about growing the GW2 community, your best is to be inclusive when these sorts of questions pop up.
Apologies if it sounds like I'm scolding you guys, but I've been seeing a lot of this lately and I wanted to chime in.
I get what you're saying, and I personally didn't attack the OP...but I know why it happened.
The OP didn't get flamed because of his ignorance...he got flamed for making a ridiculous thread based on ignorance. If he would have just asked a question, then I don't think he would have got slammed at all.
I almost think that people deserve to get flamed if they just make absolutist statements without any real knowledge to back them up.
OMG someone is doing something different than EQ/WoW/WAR/AoC/TOR/EQ2 etc. etc.
No way it's going to work, I mean, everyone here just LOVES the fact that all these MMOs do things the same way right?!
I love how you left out that terribad game called SWTOR. In that game if your under 50, you enter the PvP matches at level 49. And its works great, the only difference is you only have the skills you have earned going up, they dont give you all of them like GW2 will be doing. When you're done and leave the match, you go back to what you really are.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
Let's not jump down this guy's throat just because he may be unfamiliar with the game. For me, part of the reason I'm excited about Guild Wars 2 (and I'm sure this applies to many of you), is that it challenges us to think differently about MMOs. If you're a fan of the game, you've got to understand that a lot of traditional MMO gamers are going to react this way when they hear some of these things.
I realize you guys get hit with a lot of craziness here in our GW2 forums and so you may be a bit frustrated or suspicious someone is trolling, but frankly it takes less effort to give someone the benefit of the doubt and just answer their question (or point them to a handy thread or article that does). The guy made a perfectly reasonable post. Most of us are trained to think of MMOs and even RPGs this way, but it doesn't mean he wouldn't be able to see things differently if explained to or otherwise informed.
TL;DR: Expect a lot of people to not "get it" about GW2, and some of them may not ever get it, or won't get it until they try the game themselves. If you truly care about growing the GW2 community, your best is to be inclusive when these sorts of questions pop up.
Apologies if it sounds like I'm scolding you guys, but I've been seeing a lot of this lately and I wanted to chime in.
I get what you're saying, and I personally didn't attack the OP...but I know why it happened.
The OP didn't get flamed because of his ignorance...he got flamed for making a ridiculous thread based on ignorance. If he would have just asked a question, then I don't think he would have got slammed at all.
I almost think that people deserve to get flamed if they just make absolutist statements without any real knowledge to back them up.
HE shared how he views an ideal the developers are introducing into the game, there was no Ill intent in it that, that I can see due to wording, so i still feel any flaming is 100% not warranted in this circumstance. What is he lacking in evidence really, as what he said was more or less correct? Disagree with what he said all you want if you feel the mechanics promote something else, there's still no reason to flame over it.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Let's not jump down this guy's throat just because he may be unfamiliar with the game. For me, part of the reason I'm excited about Guild Wars 2 (and I'm sure this applies to many of you), is that it challenges us to think differently about MMOs. If you're a fan of the game, you've got to understand that a lot of traditional MMO gamers are going to react this way when they hear some of these things.
I realize you guys get hit with a lot of craziness here in our GW2 forums and so you may be a bit frustrated or suspicious someone is trolling, but frankly it takes less effort to give someone the benefit of the doubt and just answer their question (or point them to a handy thread or article that does). The guy made a perfectly reasonable post. Most of us are trained to think of MMOs and even RPGs this way, but it doesn't mean he wouldn't be able to see things differently if explained to or otherwise informed.
TL;DR: Expect a lot of people to not "get it" about GW2, and some of them may not ever get it, or won't get it until they try the game themselves. If you truly care about growing the GW2 community, your best is to be inclusive when these sorts of questions pop up.
Apologies if it sounds like I'm scolding you guys, but I've been seeing a lot of this lately and I wanted to chime in.
I get what you're saying, and I personally didn't attack the OP...but I know why it happened.
The OP didn't get flamed because of his ignorance...he got flamed for making a ridiculous thread based on ignorance. If he would have just asked a question, then I don't think he would have got slammed at all.
I almost think that people deserve to get flamed if they just make absolutist statements without any real knowledge to back them up.
No one deserves to be flamed. If someone acts like an idiot, they've done all the work for you, you don't need to attack them for it. Aside from being an explicit violation of our Rules of Conduct, attacking them actually weakens your position and if they were wrong about something may even embarass them enough they aren't willing to come back, apologize, and continue the discussion. Negativity breeds negativity. I know this doesn't always happen, but if we all leap on someone every time something like this occurs we'll never have the chance to see it. You can't help the behavior of someone else, but you can help your own (this isn't directed at you, by the way). If we all lead by example we'll all benefit because the tenor of the overall community will be raised. People just looking to troll won't get the attention they want (you attacking them) and they will get bored and leave. The more abrasive types may dial things down when they receive a bunch of reasonable responses.
Again, I know many of you are frustrated posting in here day in and day out, but this is ultimately what it will take to improve things. If you don't feel you can respond to someone in a constructive manner, take a step back, breathe, and then respond when you can (or not at all!). If you truly feel someone is trolling, well, don't feed the trolls (and report the thread/post!).
Let's not jump down this guy's throat just because he may be unfamiliar with the game. For me, part of the reason I'm excited about Guild Wars 2 (and I'm sure this applies to many of you), is that it challenges us to think differently about MMOs. If you're a fan of the game, you've got to understand that a lot of traditional MMO gamers are going to react this way when they hear some of these things. I realize you guys get hit with a lot of craziness here in our GW2 forums and so you may be a bit frustrated or suspicious someone is trolling, but frankly it takes less effort to give someone the benefit of the doubt and just answer their question (or point them to a handy thread or article that does). The guy made a perfectly reasonable post. Most of us are trained to think of MMOs and even RPGs this way, but it doesn't mean he wouldn't be able to see things differently if explained to or otherwise informed. TL;DR: Expect a lot of people to not "get it" about GW2, and some of them may not ever get it, or won't get it until they try the game themselves. If you truly care about growing the GW2 community, your best is to be inclusive when these sorts of questions pop up. Apologies if it sounds like I'm scolding you guys, but I've been seeing a lot of this lately and I wanted to chime in.
Or even people can just disagree with a view based on the the available evidence, rather than be misinforminated and need education to achieve the required groupthink.
I thought mmorpgs were about progression, if I automatically wanted to get into the fray of things and have a game about 100% skill, wouldnt I play a twitched based FPS, mmorpgs should be 50% skill, 50% progression
It's...not...an...mmorpg.
They might call it that. It might be listed here. But it's not an mmorpg. It's an E-sport like SW:ToR. The lore is a joke, merely cosmetic so you have something to read about when you pick one of the 5 races that get to kill each other in a battleground or W v W v W. It's immediate gratification pvp with some pve tossed in for good measure.
It's not an mmorpg.
However, now that we've got that out of the way. You can still have fun with it. My ten year son likes MW3 and Black Ops though he thinks GW2 looks too childish, I still think it looks kind of fun
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Ummm that post above is a little biased but Guild Wars 2 is much closer to an E-sport than a MMORPG. Thats not a bad thing ......... staercraft is one of the best games out there.
There are far too many people thinking guild wars 2 is a full on MMO game. These people are in for a massive disappointment - Its a game you long in have fun and log out. Its not about progression at all
Im going to buy it and play it but "as its intended" which is very casually. On the other hand Im hoping that TSW turns out to be a proper MMO I can sink my teeth into (time will tell).
"So now level 1s will be allowed to hit 80 automatically, given pvp gear, skills and traits...really?"
The thread title sets the tone. If he wanted a sensible response he should have worded his thoughts less confrontationally (probably not a word, but meh ).
Yeah, and level ones can do that, albeit on a limited basis.:p Maybe he just heard about it and was a bit shocked?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
No one deserves to be flamed. If someone acts like an idiot, they've done all the work for you, you don't need to attack them for it. Aside from being an explicit violation of our Rules of Conduct, attacking them actually weakens your position and if they were wrong about something may even embarass them enough they aren't willing to come back, apologize, and continue the discussion. Negativity breeds negativity. I know this doesn't always happen, but if we all leap on someone every time something like this occurs we'll never have the chance to see it. You can't help the behavior of someone else, but you can help your own (this isn't directed at you, by the way). If we all lead by example we'll all benefit because the tenor of the overall community will be raised. People just looking to troll won't get the attention they want (you attacking them) and they will get bored and leave. The more abrasive types may dial things down when they receive a bunch of reasonable responses.
Again, I know many of you are frustrated posting in here day in and day out, but this is ultimately what it will take to improve things. If you don't feel you can respond to someone in a constructive manner, take a step back, breathe, and then respond when you can (or not at all!). If you truly feel someone is trolling, well, don't feed the trolls (and report the thread/post!).
Agreed. Simply explain why they are wrong in a civil tone, or report them if they are trolling.
Flaming people only leads to a bad forum and there are enough of those on the net already.
I have to admit that once in a while someone grind my gears but it is always best to ignore stuff like that instead of making things worse.
Meh, I'm not even going to bother. Thread has been answered, there is nothing more to discuss.
I'm going to play the Devil's Advocate here for a sec.
--{RPG fan sees what A-net is doing, thinks to themself, wait aren't they essentially removing the RPG part with mechanics like this? As that's what I play MMORPG's for, why would they trivialize these aspects, they're the best part?!?!}---
Legitimate opinion to have if you're an RPG fan IMO, and I can see that scratching someones back the wrong way; if they feel strongly about the direction of a genre they like. If it's okay to praise these choices A-net made, it's okay to express the opposite IMO. So I can't agree the thread has been answered in the way you're suggesting.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I thought mmorpgs were about progression, if I automatically wanted to get into the fray of things and have a game about 100% skill, wouldnt I play a twitched based FPS, mmorpgs should be 50% skill, 50% progression
It's...not...an...mmorpg.
They might call it that. It might be listed here. But it's not an mmorpg. It's an E-sport like SW:ToR. The lore is a joke, merely cosmetic so you have something to read about when you pick one of the 5 races that get to kill each other in a battleground or W v W v W. It's immediate gratification pvp with some pve tossed in for good measure.
It's not an mmorpg.
However, now that we've got that out of the way. You can still have fun with it. My ten year son likes MW3 and Black Ops though he thinks GW2 looks too childish, I still think it looks kind of fun
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Ummm that post above is a little biased but Guild Wars 2 is much closer to an E-sport than a MMORPG. Thats not a bad thing ......... staercraft is one of the best games out there.
There are far too many people thinking guild wars 2 is a full on MMO game. These people are in for a massive disappointment - Its a game you long in have fun and log out. Its not about progression at all
Im going to buy it and play it but "as its intended" which is very casually. On the other hand Im hoping that TSW turns out to be a proper MMO I can sink my teeth into (time will tell).
Unfortunately for you GW2 and TSW have the same principles but are doing things differently. There is no major progression in TSW apart from aquiring skills and weapons and probably modifications and in GW2, there are levels, there are traits, there are weapons and there are modifications. To say GW2 has no progression is shortsighted. If you are a true MMO player, you will know that progression goes beyond statistics into the actual progression of skill within the player itself. The more you play the game and your character, the better you are. That is progression. There is no two ways about it.
In structured PvP in GW2, Anet is basically cutting out the crap and leaving you the good stuff. Basically, all you have to learn is how the traits work, how the skills work in combination with one another, how to setup your gear to support your skills and traits and how to actually play that character. THAT is the FUN part of actually playing the game and you're angry that they've given you that? You've got to be BS-ing me. If it's that you want to feel awesome by one-shotting noobs then you might as well just go play one of those other games, if you actually want challenge then feel free, this is where you belong.
In WvW, it's a different scenario because people with higher levels have more access to the good stuff so there's still that but you just can't go around one-shotting people because, as we all know, that will put people off. And we all want challenge and fun and challenge and fun comes when more people are involved and more people come in when they don't feel they will get killed before they can react. Like I said before, if what you want is to run around one-shotting things then, go knock yourself out in one of those other games.
Let's not jump down this guy's throat just because he may be unfamiliar with the game. For me, part of the reason I'm excited about Guild Wars 2 (and I'm sure this applies to many of you), is that it challenges us to think differently about MMOs. If you're a fan of the game, you've got to understand that a lot of traditional MMO gamers are going to react this way when they hear some of these things. I realize you guys get hit with a lot of craziness here in our GW2 forums and so you may be a bit frustrated or suspicious someone is trolling, but frankly it takes less effort to give someone the benefit of the doubt and just answer their question (or point them to a handy thread or article that does). The guy made a perfectly reasonable post. Most of us are trained to think of MMOs and even RPGs this way, but it doesn't mean he wouldn't be able to see things differently if explained to or otherwise informed. TL;DR: Expect a lot of people to not "get it" about GW2, and some of them may not ever get it, or won't get it until they try the game themselves. If you truly care about growing the GW2 community, your best is to be inclusive when these sorts of questions pop up. Apologies if it sounds like I'm scolding you guys, but I've been seeing a lot of this lately and I wanted to chime in.
I get what you're saying, and I personally didn't attack the OP...but I know why it happened.
The OP didn't get flamed because of his ignorance...he got flamed for making a ridiculous thread based on ignorance. If he would have just asked a question, then I don't think he would have got slammed at all.
I almost think that people deserve to get flamed if they just make absolutist statements without any real knowledge to back them up.
No one deserves to be flamed. If someone acts like an idiot, they've done all the work for you, you don't need to attack them for it. Attacking them actually weakens your position and if they were wrong about something may even embarass them enough they aren't willing to come back, apologize, and continue the discussion. Negativity breeds negativity. I know this doesn't always happen, but if we all leap on someone every time something like this occurs we'll never have the chance to see it. You can't help the behavior of someone else, but you can help your own (this isn't directed at you, by the way). If we all lead by example we'll all benefit because the tenor of the overall community will be raised. People just looking to troll won't get the attention they want (you attacking them) and they will get bored and leave. The more abrasive types may dial things down when they receive a bunch of reasonable responses.
Again, I know many of you are frustrated posting in here day in and day out, but this is ultimately what it will take to improve things. If you don't feel you can respond to someone in a constructive manner, take a step back, breathe, and then respond when you can (or not at all!). If you truly feel someone is trolling, well, don't feed the trolls (and report the thread/post!).
You know what you could do to help? Edit the thread title to make it sound less "lol's trololol".
Less people will be inclined to flame if the thread is asking a question in an appropriate manner rather than the tone the op used.
Or maybe you could read posts in a "happy voice" when they make you angry, works wonders for me.
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nothing new to see here move along.
they told everyone that the matches would be scaling duh who the heck cares. Stil doesn't mean you know what you are doing or have all the weapon skills or the elite/healing skills.
get a clue buy a vowel.
What? Why? RPGs have just about always been about the building and progression of a character. Your skill is represented by the knowldge you have of the systems in place, as well as mechanics used. This is a completely different skill set than what you find in an FPS or other genres.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
If I remember correctly from one of the old interviews, ANet guys said that MMO is not a game design, it's the technology behind it.
http://www.guildwars.com/events/tradeshows/gc2007/gcspeech.php
I know, it seems a lot of people were so let down by SW:TOR BECAUSE it wasn't different. But now that something is coming up with the possibility to be different, it is drawing a ton of scrutiny.
The "Youtube Pro": Someone who watches video's on said subject, and obviously has a full understanding of what is being said about such subject.
Well when I played...there was one bracket. They may have changed it, but that's definitely how it was at release
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Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
I think you quoted the wrong person
Hey look at that, I officially posted more times in this thread than the op.
MMO... is key to that, not MMORPG, which is very much a genre as MMORTS is a genre, MMOFPS so on and so forth.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Let's not jump down this guy's throat just because he may be unfamiliar with the game. For me, part of the reason I'm excited about Guild Wars 2 (and I'm sure this applies to many of you), is that it challenges us to think differently about MMOs. If you're a fan of the game, you've got to understand that a lot of traditional MMO gamers are going to react this way when they hear some of these things.
I realize you guys get hit with a lot of craziness here in our GW2 forums and so you may be a bit frustrated or suspicious someone is trolling, but frankly it takes less effort to give someone the benefit of the doubt and just answer their question (or point them to a handy thread or article that does). The guy made a perfectly reasonable post. Most of us are trained to think of MMOs and even RPGs this way, but it doesn't mean he wouldn't be able to see things differently if explained to or otherwise informed.
TL;DR: Expect a lot of people to not "get it" about GW2, and some of them may not ever get it, or won't get it until they try the game themselves. If you truly care about growing the GW2 community, your best is to be inclusive when these sorts of questions pop up.
Apologies if it sounds like I'm scolding you guys, but I've been seeing a lot of this lately and I wanted to chime in.
Yeah maybe, I think I misundertood the post you quoted, still I was speaking to your ban comment though (with the why) :P.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I get what you're saying, and I personally didn't attack the OP...but I know why it happened.
The OP didn't get flamed because of his ignorance...he got flamed for making a ridiculous thread based on ignorance. If he would have just asked a question, then I don't think he would have got slammed at all.
I almost think that people deserve to get flamed if they just make absolutist statements without any real knowledge to back them up.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
I love how you left out that terribad game called SWTOR. In that game if your under 50, you enter the PvP matches at level 49. And its works great, the only difference is you only have the skills you have earned going up, they dont give you all of them like GW2 will be doing. When you're done and leave the match, you go back to what you really are.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
HE shared how he views an ideal the developers are introducing into the game, there was no Ill intent in it that, that I can see due to wording, so i still feel any flaming is 100% not warranted in this circumstance. What is he lacking in evidence really, as what he said was more or less correct? Disagree with what he said all you want if you feel the mechanics promote something else, there's still no reason to flame over it.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
No one deserves to be flamed. If someone acts like an idiot, they've done all the work for you, you don't need to attack them for it. Aside from being an explicit violation of our Rules of Conduct, attacking them actually weakens your position and if they were wrong about something may even embarass them enough they aren't willing to come back, apologize, and continue the discussion. Negativity breeds negativity. I know this doesn't always happen, but if we all leap on someone every time something like this occurs we'll never have the chance to see it. You can't help the behavior of someone else, but you can help your own (this isn't directed at you, by the way). If we all lead by example we'll all benefit because the tenor of the overall community will be raised. People just looking to troll won't get the attention they want (you attacking them) and they will get bored and leave. The more abrasive types may dial things down when they receive a bunch of reasonable responses.
Again, I know many of you are frustrated posting in here day in and day out, but this is ultimately what it will take to improve things. If you don't feel you can respond to someone in a constructive manner, take a step back, breathe, and then respond when you can (or not at all!). If you truly feel someone is trolling, well, don't feed the trolls (and report the thread/post!).
Or even people can just disagree with a view based on the the available evidence, rather than be misinforminated and need education to achieve the required groupthink.Ummm that post above is a little biased but Guild Wars 2 is much closer to an E-sport than a MMORPG. Thats not a bad thing ......... staercraft is one of the best games out there.
There are far too many people thinking guild wars 2 is a full on MMO game. These people are in for a massive disappointment - Its a game you long in have fun and log out. Its not about progression at all
Im going to buy it and play it but "as its intended" which is very casually. On the other hand Im hoping that TSW turns out to be a proper MMO I can sink my teeth into (time will tell).
Yeah, and level ones can do that, albeit on a limited basis.:p Maybe he just heard about it and was a bit shocked?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Agreed. Simply explain why they are wrong in a civil tone, or report them if they are trolling.
Flaming people only leads to a bad forum and there are enough of those on the net already.
I have to admit that once in a while someone grind my gears but it is always best to ignore stuff like that instead of making things worse.
Is competitive pvp not wanted?
Currently playing- SWG PreCU & GW 2
Have tried WoW, AoC, & Vanguard, SWG:NGE, GW, LOTRO & SWTOR
Best MMO: SWG
Worst MMO: SWTOR
I'm going to play the Devil's Advocate here for a sec.
--{RPG fan sees what A-net is doing, thinks to themself, wait aren't they essentially removing the RPG part with mechanics like this? As that's what I play MMORPG's for, why would they trivialize these aspects, they're the best part?!?!}---
Legitimate opinion to have if you're an RPG fan IMO, and I can see that scratching someones back the wrong way; if they feel strongly about the direction of a genre they like. If it's okay to praise these choices A-net made, it's okay to express the opposite IMO. So I can't agree the thread has been answered in the way you're suggesting.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Unfortunately for you GW2 and TSW have the same principles but are doing things differently. There is no major progression in TSW apart from aquiring skills and weapons and probably modifications and in GW2, there are levels, there are traits, there are weapons and there are modifications. To say GW2 has no progression is shortsighted. If you are a true MMO player, you will know that progression goes beyond statistics into the actual progression of skill within the player itself. The more you play the game and your character, the better you are. That is progression. There is no two ways about it.
In structured PvP in GW2, Anet is basically cutting out the crap and leaving you the good stuff. Basically, all you have to learn is how the traits work, how the skills work in combination with one another, how to setup your gear to support your skills and traits and how to actually play that character. THAT is the FUN part of actually playing the game and you're angry that they've given you that? You've got to be BS-ing me. If it's that you want to feel awesome by one-shotting noobs then you might as well just go play one of those other games, if you actually want challenge then feel free, this is where you belong.
In WvW, it's a different scenario because people with higher levels have more access to the good stuff so there's still that but you just can't go around one-shotting people because, as we all know, that will put people off. And we all want challenge and fun and challenge and fun comes when more people are involved and more people come in when they don't feel they will get killed before they can react. Like I said before, if what you want is to run around one-shotting things then, go knock yourself out in one of those other games.
This is not a game.
I get what you're saying, and I personally didn't attack the OP...but I know why it happened.
The OP didn't get flamed because of his ignorance...he got flamed for making a ridiculous thread based on ignorance. If he would have just asked a question, then I don't think he would have got slammed at all.
I almost think that people deserve to get flamed if they just make absolutist statements without any real knowledge to back them up.
No one deserves to be flamed. If someone acts like an idiot, they've done all the work for you, you don't need to attack them for it. Attacking them actually weakens your position and if they were wrong about something may even embarass them enough they aren't willing to come back, apologize, and continue the discussion. Negativity breeds negativity. I know this doesn't always happen, but if we all leap on someone every time something like this occurs we'll never have the chance to see it. You can't help the behavior of someone else, but you can help your own (this isn't directed at you, by the way). If we all lead by example we'll all benefit because the tenor of the overall community will be raised. People just looking to troll won't get the attention they want (you attacking them) and they will get bored and leave. The more abrasive types may dial things down when they receive a bunch of reasonable responses.
Again, I know many of you are frustrated posting in here day in and day out, but this is ultimately what it will take to improve things. If you don't feel you can respond to someone in a constructive manner, take a step back, breathe, and then respond when you can (or not at all!). If you truly feel someone is trolling, well, don't feed the trolls (and report the thread/post!).
You know what you could do to help? Edit the thread title to make it sound less "lol's trololol".
Less people will be inclined to flame if the thread is asking a question in an appropriate manner rather than the tone the op used.
Or maybe you could read posts in a "happy voice" when they make you angry, works wonders for me.