Tbh my opnion of MMO's on consoles changed totally with Defiance, the game may not be the best MMO ever but I'm loving being able to play it on a console.
I doubt I will plan to upgrade my PC to keep up with developments from now on, and a lot of people I've talked to about this have said the same.
I see a decline in PC gaming after the new consoles hit the market.
I think owning a top spec PC for gaming won't be worth it as much as these days once PS4 and Xbox One gets released. The latest generation of consoles will be able to cope with graphics especially with mmo's or at least the next 2-3 years of releases. I guess more mmo's will be jumping on the console bandwagon. Exclusive PC games will most probably fade out or at least dim down within the next few years.
So personally buying a gaming PC for now to last you for the next 2-3 years isn't too bad of a deal.
Yep, its not as though most games require more than this for input. The only thing you actually require a keyboard for is chatting, and with the advent of voice chat and things like SoEmote, which also acts as local area chat, I don't really understand the hatred towards console controllers.
Back when FFXI launched it was awkward without the keyboard due to chat, but these days? Meh. I can live without a keyboard. Voice commands can pretty much negate the need for typing.
gamepads still limit the amount of control you can have. sure a game can have LESS for your character to do and work fine on a gamepad... but the more options you want the more you need a kb+m... and a good mouse at that.
Games are already moving away from 30+ skill type gameplay (which ends up getting macroed into 2-5 buttons anyway).
Just design the games better so you don't need to be pressing 50 keys.
Don't agree, I can use all my gaming hardware either on my PC or 360, and I have chatpad that integrates with my controller if I don't want to connect my gaming keyboard.
Consoles are the way to go for MMO's...
There are not even potential players to play all the MMO's we have now, all of the developers are vying for players and subsribers, the console market offer a far greater opportunity for developers of MMO's.
It would have happened sooner but the console market needed to mature first and the hardware needed to be able to cope with the demands of an MMO.
PS3/360 releases have shown that MMO's are indeed viable and with the new Xbox one and PS4 not only will they be doable but they will look amazing and perform amazingly too.
If you buy lots of games. PCs work out cheaper. Especially if you build your own.
That 30% mark up to Sony and Microsoft on every game soon adds up.
Plus no xbox live type fees.
I've done the math. You can build a better pc and buy a new triple a game every month and it works out cheaper than a xbox one, with xbox live fees and 12 new aaa games. And the savings go up every year after that, more than enough to stick a new graphics card in the pc in 3 years time and still be on top money wise.
Unless you only buy like 4 or 5 games a year, consoles are false ecconomy.
I think the real question you should be asking is what benefit does a console based MMO have over a PC?
Graphics: About the Same
Controls: Both can use controllers, but Mouse/Keyboard people have to play on a PC.
Voice Chat: Most Consoles have integrated voice chat beyond the normal game Voice Chat, PC's can use the game voice chat or another program such s Skype, Teamspeak, and Ventrillo.
Price: Generally speaking, consoles have recently become cheaper than a "good" gaming PC.
*Servers: Since Microsoft and Sony rarely want to play well together, the chances of cross-server grouping is slim
Servers are the biggest issue, IMO. In all honesty, console MMO gaming is small in comparison to PC MMO gaming. There are exceptions, of course, but when it comes down to it; PC servers will have a higher population.
Granted, this all changes if they allow the aforementioned cross-server grouping. Defiance was supposed to have it, but it was removed due to issues between the bickering children that are Microsoft Sony.
Graphics same?
High PC at this moment already way more powerfull then PS4/XBOX1.
PC is always way more flexible in many ways and open free platform.
MMO always best play with keyboard/mouse(well everygame is better with KB/M).
Servers with thousends of players on consoles NOWAY.
Console where ALWAYS cheaper then PC as i can remember unless you mean lowend crap many play on then console on par or cheaper.
Some games will not work/won't ever be released on consoles.
Some things consoles can't do.
Some of us use PCs for more than just gaming and require a bit more juice than laptop provides.
Lot of the games presented will have PC versions as well.
I still don't have a reason to buy a console myself since my PC does everything I need it to do and I'd still need a PC anyway, not to mention there is nothing that could convince me to use pad over mouse and keyboard in shooter, ever.
until consoles come packaged with KB+M i dont see any true MMO fans wanting to switch platforms.
nothing I have seen done for a console even approaches the control setup needed for a moderate to complex mmo.
i have no issue switching to a console if the games dont actually suffer for it.... but they always do right now
Consoles might not come packaged with a keyboared and mouse but they have usb ports that let you use them. (Who the hell uses the keyboard and mouse that comes packaged with a store bought PC anyways?)
The problem with kb/m on consoles is that it is never going to be a requirement and it will be up to the developer to decide whether the game uses it. Both current gen consoles technically support kb/m, and how many games actually allow you to use it? Could you use it in shooters? Of course not because you would have an advantage over people playing with pads. The same thing will happen on the next gen consoles. As for mmo's, what that means is that if an mmo has any element of an action game it will not allow a kb/m.
Originally posted by duggyfr3sh123 Everything shown except Destiny and Ryse was running on the PC.
I think, or I hope that people are well aware that most of what they see at E3 actually runs on a PC.
not just that....they're getting released on the PC too. The Division will be as well, expect the announcement in about 2 months.
Most of the games will get a PC release, with the exception of a few Sony exclusives, as it was with PS3. Although if the rumors of next gen games being stupid expensive to make turn out to be true, devs will release their games where ever they can to recoup costs.
Yup it wll be very easy for them to port games to PC now and vice versa..
I am sure some Sony and Microsoft will be utter gits with some of the games and make them console exclusive lol but that wont make me spend money on a console..
Yup it wll be very easy for them to port games to PC now and vice versa..
I am sure some Sony and Microsoft will be utter gits with some of the games and make them console exclusive lol but that wont make me spend money on a console..
Especially since ATI which is the company behind both PS4 and XB1 has said that the way the consoles respective hardware works makes it really easy to make good ports.
xbone costs £425 Xbox live costs £120 New aaa console games cost typically £40-£45
New aaa pc games cost £30. Pc games also get discounted sooner. I can build a more powerfull pc than a xbox one for £550 (fx6350 / 7870hd setup)
Over a year the pc is cheaper than the xbox Over a couple of years it works out cheaper than the ps4 too.
p.s. don't have already won the console war, ps4 Is £75 cheaper than the xbox one, doesn't require you to have broadband, but if you go online psn is half the price of xbox live and its more powerful with less draconian drm.
PCs can do so much more. What ever the Xbox One and PS4 can do, so can the PC, and much much more.
PCs can be connected to the TV, has Xbox controller for Windows (which most of the latest games support too), and making consoles obsolete.
PC also has over 2 decades of back catalogue games. PS4 and Xbox ONE are complete fresh starts, PS2 was compatible with PSone games, PS3 was semi compatible with PS2 games and compatible with PSone games, PS4 is not backwards compatible at all. Xbox 360 was semi compatible with Xbox games, and Xbox ONE not backwards compatible at all. Chances are when PS5 and Xbox TWO (or whatever they call the next xbox in 5-10 years) they will not be backwards compatible again, and be another fresh start. PC is and will always will be backwards compatible, and if there is any incompatibility it does not take long for someone to create a program to make them compatible
With the Xbox ONE and PS4 supporting DRM now, there is nothing special about consoles at all. Now you will be spending £50 (assuming this will be cost of games to begin with, especially if PS3 and Xbox 360 still sell for £40) per game and getting little back. Trade it back in within a week to a store for £10-£30, instead of selling it on ebay for £40+. PC games cost £20-£30 and on Steam they get as low as £3 in daily sales
If your sole purpose for owning a PC are the MMOs, then the consoles may eventually rival PCs in terms of some big AAA hits, but I doubt it will ever have the same quantity and options in terms of how many games there will be (at least not in this next generation).
Aside from that, the benefits of PC gaming still outweigh the PS4 in terms of what you can do; from the massive discounts you get in gaming, to the awesome modding communities that do such things as add entire continents to play through on Skyrim to being able to play as Iron Man in GTA ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXKZo9uWCMM ) in a surprising way.
In addition, MMOs will likely keep behind the times in terms of technology as they have, so you don't really need to constantly upgrade; years from now the predicted upgrades seem to be amazing on paper. Even today medium range PCs have better specs than the new consoles, so one can imagine what's going to happen in the future.
The most promising thing when it comes to PC games nowadays, is that games such as Watchdogs are being developed for the PC first and then ported over to the consoles. This is because such a thing is easier now, since the consoles use 64 bit architecture for their processors. All in all it seems just to be the most efficient way to do things now, so PC gaming (and even PC specific technology that is released on a yearly based, especially once consoles reach their peak with what developers are able to do) will likely have the best versions (more freedom to commit to ideas) and textures with them simply lowering the settings if they reached the peak on console games.
As a whole, PC gaming is usually five to ten years ahead of console gaming in terms of trends. We had our 3d Halo Like first person shooters in the early nineties (Starsiege Tribes), and then many years later Halo caught on; we have an explosion of MMO popularity, and now the next consoles are looking into implementing it and F2P models (which have also existed for about 10 years) that is now becoming popular with the western audience.
When it comes to the consoles, I actually expected a bit more from their announcements. I was thinking that they would somehow incorporate mods and modding communities this generation, but I guess that cuts into the DLC a bit too much as modders sometimes do things better than developers, or even give developers ideas for DLCs on consoles that have existed for their game for months/years on the PC.
The PS4 seems to be the cheap alternative to gaming at the moment, at least as far as initial investments go. If you want to get the most of it, you'll likely spend $60 a week on games as opposed to consistent 75% off deals that you get on PC gaming (and there is likely to be an almost equal 1:1 port in games since the PC version is essentially made first for the sake of efficiency if certain developers are to be believed). While PS+ has some good deals every now and again, both consoles will show their limitations eventually, and technology and techniques will only be improved as far as PC gaming is concerned. This is likely to happen once the shiny shiny wears off, the PR wars are over and some time passes.
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Defiance is already on PS3 and 360.
Tbh my opnion of MMO's on consoles changed totally with Defiance, the game may not be the best MMO ever but I'm loving being able to play it on a console.
I doubt I will plan to upgrade my PC to keep up with developments from now on, and a lot of people I've talked to about this have said the same.
I see a decline in PC gaming after the new consoles hit the market.
I think owning a top spec PC for gaming won't be worth it as much as these days once PS4 and Xbox One gets released. The latest generation of consoles will be able to cope with graphics especially with mmo's or at least the next 2-3 years of releases. I guess more mmo's will be jumping on the console bandwagon. Exclusive PC games will most probably fade out or at least dim down within the next few years.
So personally buying a gaming PC for now to last you for the next 2-3 years isn't too bad of a deal.
Yep, its not as though most games require more than this for input. The only thing you actually require a keyboard for is chatting, and with the advent of voice chat and things like SoEmote, which also acts as local area chat, I don't really understand the hatred towards console controllers.
Back when FFXI launched it was awkward without the keyboard due to chat, but these days? Meh. I can live without a keyboard. Voice commands can pretty much negate the need for typing.
Games are already moving away from 30+ skill type gameplay (which ends up getting macroed into 2-5 buttons anyway).
Just design the games better so you don't need to be pressing 50 keys.
Don't agree, I can use all my gaming hardware either on my PC or 360, and I have chatpad that integrates with my controller if I don't want to connect my gaming keyboard.
Consoles are the way to go for MMO's...
There are not even potential players to play all the MMO's we have now, all of the developers are vying for players and subsribers, the console market offer a far greater opportunity for developers of MMO's.
It would have happened sooner but the console market needed to mature first and the hardware needed to be able to cope with the demands of an MMO.
PS3/360 releases have shown that MMO's are indeed viable and with the new Xbox one and PS4 not only will they be doable but they will look amazing and perform amazingly too.
If you buy lots of games. PCs work out cheaper. Especially if you build your own.
That 30% mark up to Sony and Microsoft on every game soon adds up.
Plus no xbox live type fees.
I've done the math. You can build a better pc and buy a new triple a game every month and it works out cheaper than a xbox one, with xbox live fees and 12 new aaa games. And the savings go up every year after that, more than enough to stick a new graphics card in the pc in 3 years time and still be on top money wise.
Unless you only buy like 4 or 5 games a year, consoles are false ecconomy.
Graphics same?
High PC at this moment already way more powerfull then PS4/XBOX1.
PC is always way more flexible in many ways and open free platform.
MMO always best play with keyboard/mouse(well everygame is better with KB/M).
Servers with thousends of players on consoles NOWAY.
Console where ALWAYS cheaper then PC as i can remember unless you mean lowend crap many play on then console on par or cheaper.
Yes we'd hate to miss out on all these great games.......
Some games will not work/won't ever be released on consoles.
Some things consoles can't do.
Some of us use PCs for more than just gaming and require a bit more juice than laptop provides.
Lot of the games presented will have PC versions as well.
I still don't have a reason to buy a console myself since my PC does everything I need it to do and I'd still need a PC anyway, not to mention there is nothing that could convince me to use pad over mouse and keyboard in shooter, ever.
Consoles might not come packaged with a keyboared and mouse but they have usb ports that let you use them. (Who the hell uses the keyboard and mouse that comes packaged with a store bought PC anyways?)
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I think, or I hope that people are well aware that most of what they see at E3 actually runs on a PC.
I will always prefer my PC over any console, any day of the week. But that`s just my opinion.
So is it worth owning a PC? Of course it is!
not just that....they're getting released on the PC too. The Division will be as well, expect the announcement in about 2 months.
Most of the games will get a PC release, with the exception of a few Sony exclusives, as it was with PS3. Although if the rumors of next gen games being stupid expensive to make turn out to be true, devs will release their games where ever they can to recoup costs.
Yup it wll be very easy for them to port games to PC now and vice versa..
I am sure some Sony and Microsoft will be utter gits with some of the games and make them console exclusive lol but that wont make me spend money on a console..
Especially since ATI which is the company behind both PS4 and XB1 has said that the way the consoles respective hardware works makes it really easy to make good ports.
Xbox live costs £120
New aaa console games cost typically £40-£45
New aaa pc games cost £30. Pc games also get discounted sooner.
I can build a more powerfull pc than a xbox one for £550 (fx6350 / 7870hd setup)
Over a year the pc is cheaper than the xbox
Over a couple of years it works out cheaper than the ps4 too.
p.s. don't have already won the console war, ps4 Is £75 cheaper than the xbox one, doesn't require you to have broadband, but if you go online psn is half the price of xbox live and its more powerful with less draconian drm.
I will most likely get a PS4, the games I've seen so far look great. But I won't play MMO on my console, that's what a PC is for.
Answer: More than ever.
Both PS4 and Xbox are basically custom PC now.
And its confirmed that porting game to PC will be so simple there will be almost zero work aside from defining how mouse+keyboard works.
So expect every game be available on PC as well.
And you can not beat Steam and their game discounts.
Basically Its great time for PC
PCs can do so much more. What ever the Xbox One and PS4 can do, so can the PC, and much much more.
PCs can be connected to the TV, has Xbox controller for Windows (which most of the latest games support too), and making consoles obsolete.
PC also has over 2 decades of back catalogue games. PS4 and Xbox ONE are complete fresh starts, PS2 was compatible with PSone games, PS3 was semi compatible with PS2 games and compatible with PSone games, PS4 is not backwards compatible at all. Xbox 360 was semi compatible with Xbox games, and Xbox ONE not backwards compatible at all. Chances are when PS5 and Xbox TWO (or whatever they call the next xbox in 5-10 years) they will not be backwards compatible again, and be another fresh start. PC is and will always will be backwards compatible, and if there is any incompatibility it does not take long for someone to create a program to make them compatible
With the Xbox ONE and PS4 supporting DRM now, there is nothing special about consoles at all. Now you will be spending £50 (assuming this will be cost of games to begin with, especially if PS3 and Xbox 360 still sell for £40) per game and getting little back. Trade it back in within a week to a store for £10-£30, instead of selling it on ebay for £40+. PC games cost £20-£30 and on Steam they get as low as £3 in daily sales
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If your sole purpose for owning a PC are the MMOs, then the consoles may eventually rival PCs in terms of some big AAA hits, but I doubt it will ever have the same quantity and options in terms of how many games there will be (at least not in this next generation).
Aside from that, the benefits of PC gaming still outweigh the PS4 in terms of what you can do; from the massive discounts you get in gaming, to the awesome modding communities that do such things as add entire continents to play through on Skyrim to being able to play as Iron Man in GTA ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXKZo9uWCMM ) in a surprising way.
In addition, MMOs will likely keep behind the times in terms of technology as they have, so you don't really need to constantly upgrade; years from now the predicted upgrades seem to be amazing on paper. Even today medium range PCs have better specs than the new consoles, so one can imagine what's going to happen in the future.
The most promising thing when it comes to PC games nowadays, is that games such as Watchdogs are being developed for the PC first and then ported over to the consoles. This is because such a thing is easier now, since the consoles use 64 bit architecture for their processors. All in all it seems just to be the most efficient way to do things now, so PC gaming (and even PC specific technology that is released on a yearly based, especially once consoles reach their peak with what developers are able to do) will likely have the best versions (more freedom to commit to ideas) and textures with them simply lowering the settings if they reached the peak on console games.
As a whole, PC gaming is usually five to ten years ahead of console gaming in terms of trends. We had our 3d Halo Like first person shooters in the early nineties (Starsiege Tribes), and then many years later Halo caught on; we have an explosion of MMO popularity, and now the next consoles are looking into implementing it and F2P models (which have also existed for about 10 years) that is now becoming popular with the western audience.
When it comes to the consoles, I actually expected a bit more from their announcements. I was thinking that they would somehow incorporate mods and modding communities this generation, but I guess that cuts into the DLC a bit too much as modders sometimes do things better than developers, or even give developers ideas for DLCs on consoles that have existed for their game for months/years on the PC.
The PS4 seems to be the cheap alternative to gaming at the moment, at least as far as initial investments go. If you want to get the most of it, you'll likely spend $60 a week on games as opposed to consistent 75% off deals that you get on PC gaming (and there is likely to be an almost equal 1:1 port in games since the PC version is essentially made first for the sake of efficiency if certain developers are to be believed). While PS+ has some good deals every now and again, both consoles will show their limitations eventually, and technology and techniques will only be improved as far as PC gaming is concerned. This is likely to happen once the shiny shiny wears off, the PR wars are over and some time passes.
You got it.... From what I have heard, the new control pad UI for FF14 is as intuitive as the traditional KB and mouse setup.
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