Its amazing how many of you are so jump onto the side that is not your own. The extra 20 dollars is not an issue for anyone be real. If you can afford 60 and then 15 a month then it is laughable that you think it is an issue. The point of being a sub game is so everything is open to people who buy and sub the game. I have trouble understanding why so many of you are quick to defend this stuff, after all you are a consumer too. When you support stuff like this you are just making sure that they will push the envelope a little further next time.
You know you can still support this game and like the idea of it and disagree with the actual things that they are doing. I really don't blame Zenimax so much for doing it though. I don't agree with it and refuse to buy anything with day 1 dlc until it gets a big sale.
Originally posted by Katilla not like not having the imperial race is going to affect your game experience, don't be so spoiled.
How do you even know this? What if Imperial's have a skill set that is great for tanking and I like tanking? What if I want to roleplay an Imperial? What if Imperial's have access to unique gear and crafting? Tell me again how this possibly can't affect one's experience with the game.
Originally posted by Margulis I agree with the OP - and it will continue down this path indefinitely as long as people support and defend business practices like this. And it's clear plenty of people still do defend and support decisions like this from what I've seen around the net today. In all honesty it's the consumers that are really to blame for this, because they keep buying into company rhetoric and supporting / defending this sort of practice - so businesses are going to keep pushing the boundaries.
Exactly this. The more this becomes a common practice and people accept it the less I want to buy and play these games. I don't mind paying for something but when you start removing content and features that should be in the game then charging extra for them it just gets more and more cash grab you lose me as a customer. Some people are fine paying out the nose for stuff that was included in most games and it just drives the companies to do it more and more. It's sad.
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Its amazing how many of you are so jump onto the side that is not your own. The extra 20 dollars is not an issue for anyone be real. If you can afford 60 and then 15 a month then it is laughable that you think it is an issue. The point of being a sub game is so everything is open to people who buy and sub the game. I have trouble understanding why so many of you are quick to defend this stuff, after all you are a consumer too. When you support stuff like this you are just making sure that they will push the envelope a little further next time.
You know you can still support this game and like the idea of it and disagree with the actual things that they are doing. I really don't blame Zenimax so much for doing it though. I don't agree with it and refuse to buy anything with day 1 dlc until it gets a big sale.
I can't help but wonder why there aren't more like you in these forums. The overall attitude here is appalling.
Originally posted by Margulis Many of these comments show exactly why companies make decisions like this and will continue to do so in the future.
True but why are you so surprised ? EA is still in business and doing quite well. Some gamers are like addicts - they have to buy it no matter what and the dealer...I mean companies know it.
Exactly. Before you know it, we will see MMO's that have a standard edition, and a premium edition that adds PvP or another major feature.
Good idea. If more specific features are broken out into separate payments, it will be much easier for developers to know which content to make more of, because the content that most needs to be expanded is the content people are most willing to pay an extra fee to access.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.
Yes! Oh and every car should include all the same features all at one price so that it's fare to everyone who wants that car!
Computer/cellphone all technology needs to stop selling devices with different storage amounts! It should all always be the exact same amount!
You know what every taco should only ever come WITH cheese because we are paying for a taco I dont want to pay extra to have the full taco experience!
Let's not worry about the differences between digital products and physical products. It's not like digital products have no production cost after the initial development and physical products have initial development cost AND production costs. It's not like there is an actual limited supply of physical products and digital products have an infinite supply. Oh wait, yeah it's exactly like that.
Comparing digital products to physical products is a flawed comparison.
Extras always cost more in every aspect of life. I didnt see anything that makes you more powerful, that is the only thing i have problems with in buying with cash money. If i have cable TV and i want HBO included then i have to pay more. Oh yeah TV costs 3-4 times more a month than a video game sub does and doesnt come close to the enjoyment i get from MMOs. I guess i need to go log on the Comcast forums and complain about them charging me extra if i want HBO and there should be a one time fee upfront and free every month after. Its a business to them before anything else, so understand that and anybody that opens a company has the right to charge what they want for their hard work whether you like the product or not. If they make a bad decision on their business model or payment plan then they will go bankrupt and they have to live with that. If you dont like it then just move on. I never go on forums and bitch about business models of companies, i simply just dont buy the product. Pretty easy. The first thing companies respond to is cash, not forum whiners of their game.
They will charge what they feel their market will buy.
Elder Scrolls is a popular RPG, and isn't a movie to adapt to gaming, too.
Since folks who played the game for a decade now bought it (I bought 3 Oblivion games even), they'll buy it again. Those drawn to the ES lore will be happy to have lore on patch cycles for a change, and will feel it's worth it.
They don't intend to be the next WoW, they intend to make the ES fan base happy...and that is how it should be, they have their own market to pursue...not attracting kiddies wanting to play for free.
Originally posted by Katilla not like not having the imperial race is going to affect your game experience, don't be so spoiled.
How do you even know this? What if Imperial's have a skill set that is great for tanking and I like tanking? What if I want to roleplay an Imperial? What if Imperial's have access to unique gear and crafting? Tell me again how this possibly can't affect one's experience with the game.
If you read anything about the game that's public knowledge than you can see that your character be be whatever you want it to be. I'd try to explain but if i did i'd get banned from the forums for breaking the NDA
Originally posted by Katilla not like not having the imperial race is going to affect your game experience, don't be so spoiled.
How do you even know this? What if Imperial's have a skill set that is great for tanking and I like tanking? What if I want to roleplay an Imperial? What if Imperial's have access to unique gear and crafting? Tell me again how this possibly can't affect one's experience with the game.
If you read anything about the game that's public knowledge than you can see that your character be be whatever you want it to be. I'd try to explain but if i did i'd get banned from the forums for breaking the NDA
Who cares if my character can take on any role? That's not the point. The Imperial race will have a unique skill set. What if it has a skill that is a great choice for a min-maxer?
They will charge what they feel their market will buy.
Elder Scrolls is a popular RPG, and isn't a movie to adapt to gaming, too.
Since folks who played the game for a decade now bought it (I bought 3 Oblivion games even), they'll buy it again. Those drawn to the ES lore will be happy to have lore on patch cycles for a change, and will feel it's worth it.
They don't intend to be the next WoW, they intend to make the ES fan base happy...and that is how it should be, they have their own market to pursue...not attracting kiddies wanting to play for free.
Who said anything about kiddies wanting to play for free? Do you even proofread what you type?
Who cares if my character can take on any role? That's not the point. The Imperial race will have a unique skill set. What if it has a skill that is a great choice for a min-maxer?
The process here is a simple one. We wait for the NDA to drop, and all the racial skill lines to be finalized and announced. People look into the Imperial line and how it compares to the other races. People then decide if the Imperial race, in combination with the other goodies included, are worth $20.00. The people who decide they are get to have them, those who decide they aren't, don't. And those who don't still get everything that was ever promised for the base edition, all nine of the previously announced races.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.
They know people will buy it. Personally, I agree. The gaming industry has changed from "How can we make our fans happy while offering a reasonable price" to "How much money can we make in the shortest amount of time". They know that if their game fails, there is always the F2P market. So why not take advantage of people if they are willing/desperate enough to buy it, well, I guess that's their logic anyways.
Which brings me to the point that I will not be buying or purchasing ESO on release. In my opinion the MMO as a whole is over-hyped. If history regarding MMO's has taught me anything, its that hype is almost certain death for an MMO. I'm not a hater of it by any means, but the wave of disappointment will certainly be felt....That is unless their endgame is more than amazing.
They will charge what they feel their market will buy.
Elder Scrolls is a popular RPG, and isn't a movie to adapt to gaming, too.
Since folks who played the game for a decade now bought it (I bought 3 Oblivion games even), they'll buy it again. Those drawn to the ES lore will be happy to have lore on patch cycles for a change, and will feel it's worth it.
They don't intend to be the next WoW, they intend to make the ES fan base happy...and that is how it should be, they have their own market to pursue...not attracting kiddies wanting to play for free.
Who said anything about kiddies wanting to play for free? Do you even proofread what you type?
I'm telling you right now, they identified the market they want to please, and that market will buy it.
When you have a ready made market, they will follow that market in new ventures...and pay for it.
If Blizzard made WoW2, the players will flock to it. Just like SOE is making EQN and EQ/EQ2 players will flock to EQN. They could charge $100 for it, and they'll pay...as it's not the price that's the barrier, it's been the content.
They know people will buy it. Personally, I agree. The gaming industry has changed from "How can we make our fans happy while offering a reasonable price" to "How much money can we make in the shortest amount of time".
It hasn't changed from a motivational standpoint. It was never about providing value to the customer for the sake of the customer, it has always been about doing whatever makes them the most money. Industry theories on what will accomplish that goal have just changed.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.
Originally posted by goboygo You have been playing too many F2P games and have lost perspective.
Right, tell me again which P2P MMO charges for a race even if you have an active sub.
think of it like this, call it an "EXPANSION" to the main game. Every game has done it over the years
just cause they are doing it at release, doesnt really change anything
if you really wanna play Imperial then fork over 20$, its not that big of a deal. I preordered the regular digital, cause I dont ever play human races anyways
They will charge what they feel their market will buy.
Elder Scrolls is a popular RPG, and isn't a movie to adapt to gaming, too.
Since folks who played the game for a decade now bought it (I bought 3 Oblivion games even), they'll buy it again. Those drawn to the ES lore will be happy to have lore on patch cycles for a change, and will feel it's worth it.
They don't intend to be the next WoW, they intend to make the ES fan base happy...and that is how it should be, they have their own market to pursue...not attracting kiddies wanting to play for free.
Who said anything about kiddies wanting to play for free? Do you even proofread what you type?
I'm telling you right now, they identified the market they want to please, and that market will buy it.
When you have a ready made market, they will follow that market in new ventures...and pay for it.
If Blizzard made WoW2, the players will flock to it. Just like SOE is making EQN and EQ/EQ2 players will flock to EQN. They could charge $100 for it, and they'll pay...as it's not the price that's the barrier, it's been the content.
Are you saying you agree with major corporations fleecing consumers of ever penny possible? That's kind of what it sounds like from your post. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Its amazing how many of you are so jump onto the side that is not your own. The extra 20 dollars is not an issue for anyone be real. If you can afford 60 and then 15 a month then it is laughable that you think it is an issue. The point of being a sub game is so everything is open to people who buy and sub the game. I have trouble understanding why so many of you are quick to defend this stuff, after all you are a consumer too. When you support stuff like this you are just making sure that they will push the envelope a little further next time.
You know you can still support this game and like the idea of it and disagree with the actual things that they are doing. I really don't blame Zenimax so much for doing it though. I don't agree with it and refuse to buy anything with day 1 dlc until it gets a big sale.
How do you even know this? What if Imperial's have a skill set that is great for tanking and I like tanking? What if I want to roleplay an Imperial? What if Imperial's have access to unique gear and crafting? Tell me again how this possibly can't affect one's experience with the game.
Exactly this. The more this becomes a common practice and people accept it the less I want to buy and play these games. I don't mind paying for something but when you start removing content and features that should be in the game then charging extra for them it just gets more and more cash grab you lose me as a customer. Some people are fine paying out the nose for stuff that was included in most games and it just drives the companies to do it more and more. It's sad.
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Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/I can't help but wonder why there aren't more like you in these forums. The overall attitude here is appalling.
Good idea. If more specific features are broken out into separate payments, it will be much easier for developers to know which content to make more of, because the content that most needs to be expanded is the content people are most willing to pay an extra fee to access.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
Let's not worry about the differences between digital products and physical products. It's not like digital products have no production cost after the initial development and physical products have initial development cost AND production costs. It's not like there is an actual limited supply of physical products and digital products have an infinite supply. Oh wait, yeah it's exactly like that.
Comparing digital products to physical products is a flawed comparison.
As long as the consumer is willing to fork over their money then game companies have not gone too far.
Those companies that go to far will go out of business.
They will charge what they feel their market will buy.
Elder Scrolls is a popular RPG, and isn't a movie to adapt to gaming, too.
Since folks who played the game for a decade now bought it (I bought 3 Oblivion games even), they'll buy it again. Those drawn to the ES lore will be happy to have lore on patch cycles for a change, and will feel it's worth it.
They don't intend to be the next WoW, they intend to make the ES fan base happy...and that is how it should be, they have their own market to pursue...not attracting kiddies wanting to play for free.
.:| Kevyne@Shandris - Armory |:. - When WoW was #1 - .:| I AM A HOLY PALADIN - Guild Theme |:.
If you read anything about the game that's public knowledge than you can see that your character be be whatever you want it to be. I'd try to explain but if i did i'd get banned from the forums for breaking the NDA
Right, tell me again which P2P MMO charges for a race even if you have an active sub.
Who cares if my character can take on any role? That's not the point. The Imperial race will have a unique skill set. What if it has a skill that is a great choice for a min-maxer?
Who said anything about kiddies wanting to play for free? Do you even proofread what you type?
EQ2.
Next...
(That was catchy!).
.:| Kevyne@Shandris - Armory |:. - When WoW was #1 - .:| I AM A HOLY PALADIN - Guild Theme |:.
The process here is a simple one. We wait for the NDA to drop, and all the racial skill lines to be finalized and announced. People look into the Imperial line and how it compares to the other races. People then decide if the Imperial race, in combination with the other goodies included, are worth $20.00. The people who decide they are get to have them, those who decide they aren't, don't. And those who don't still get everything that was ever promised for the base edition, all nine of the previously announced races.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
Practice doesn't make perfect, practice makes permanent.
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They know people will buy it. Personally, I agree. The gaming industry has changed from "How can we make our fans happy while offering a reasonable price" to "How much money can we make in the shortest amount of time". They know that if their game fails, there is always the F2P market. So why not take advantage of people if they are willing/desperate enough to buy it, well, I guess that's their logic anyways.
Which brings me to the point that I will not be buying or purchasing ESO on release. In my opinion the MMO as a whole is over-hyped. If history regarding MMO's has taught me anything, its that hype is almost certain death for an MMO. I'm not a hater of it by any means, but the wave of disappointment will certainly be felt....That is unless their endgame is more than amazing.
I'm telling you right now, they identified the market they want to please, and that market will buy it.
When you have a ready made market, they will follow that market in new ventures...and pay for it.
If Blizzard made WoW2, the players will flock to it. Just like SOE is making EQN and EQ/EQ2 players will flock to EQN. They could charge $100 for it, and they'll pay...as it's not the price that's the barrier, it's been the content.
.:| Kevyne@Shandris - Armory |:. - When WoW was #1 - .:| I AM A HOLY PALADIN - Guild Theme |:.
It hasn't changed from a motivational standpoint. It was never about providing value to the customer for the sake of the customer, it has always been about doing whatever makes them the most money. Industry theories on what will accomplish that goal have just changed.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
think of it like this, call it an "EXPANSION" to the main game. Every game has done it over the years
just cause they are doing it at release, doesnt really change anything
if you really wanna play Imperial then fork over 20$, its not that big of a deal. I preordered the regular digital, cause I dont ever play human races anyways
Are you saying you agree with major corporations fleecing consumers of ever penny possible? That's kind of what it sounds like from your post. Please correct me if I'm wrong.