by doing something really well and perpetuating the design?
Future can be a continuation of the past. It does not have to be brand new.
WOW is not brand new .. but it solves many problems of MMOs, and it was polished .. and hence it became the future. Exactly an example of you dont need something totally new.
ok fair enough..
snore for this guy though
However if game X is the same as game Y the question becomes why should I be excited for game y?
The question is irrelevant as only you can answer that question. It's subjective, how can someone tell you what to be excited about whether a game, movie or car?
If your whole point is saying Destiny isn't interesting to you, then Ok. The whole 'wave of the future' thing is also irrelevant, since bringing up how much money or copies sold does not equate to future success with other games, game design, or innovation.
so this subject if about 'wave of the future' that is what this string is all about.
Having said that I concede that bringing nothing new to the table isnt a requirement for the wave of the future that is fine. However I still have to ask, if I have game X why do I want to play game Y? Maybe becuase it has more content? or maybe because it has a new design? not sure what but I am just trying to suggest there has to be SOMETHING different otherwise nobody would buy it.
Now there we can agree.
usually it's the "how" it is implemented over the "what" is being implemented.
so let's go back to WoW.
WoW, didn't really introduce anything "new". It had quests and raids, etc. But it looked at what a certain demographic of people said about their mmo experiences up to that point and streamlined a lot of things.
Look at, say, "Acton Movies". They really aren't "that different" from one another. But they use different characters with different levels of likeability, shuffle around a few things and "wham" people enjoy them.
I think it has more to do with the core experience that people are seeking and whether or not the "new" game speaks to that core experience in a way that feels fresh.
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by doing something really well and perpetuating the design?
Future can be a continuation of the past. It does not have to be brand new.
WOW is not brand new .. but it solves many problems of MMOs, and it was polished .. and hence it became the future. Exactly an example of you dont need something totally new.
ok fair enough..
snore for this guy though
However if game X is the same as game Y the question becomes why should I be excited for game y?
The question is irrelevant as only you can answer that question. It's subjective, how can someone tell you what to be excited about whether a game, movie or car?
If your whole point is saying Destiny isn't interesting to you, then Ok. The whole 'wave of the future' thing is also irrelevant, since bringing up how much money or copies sold does not equate to future success with other games, game design, or innovation.
so this subject if about 'wave of the future' that is what this string is all about.
Having said that I concede that bringing nothing new to the table isnt a requirement for the wave of the future that is fine. However I still have to ask, if I have game X why do I want to play game Y? Maybe becuase it has more content? or maybe because it has a new design? not sure what but I am just trying to suggest there has to be SOMETHING different otherwise nobody would buy it.
Now there we can agree.
usually it's the "how" it is implemented over the "what" is being implemented.
so let's go back to WoW.
WoW, didn't really introduce anything "new". It had quests and raids, etc. But it looked at what a certain demographic of people said about their mmo experiences up to that point and streamlined a lot of things.
Look at, say, "Acton Movies". They really aren't "that different" from one another. But they use different characters with different levels of likeability, shuffle around a few things and "wham" people enjoy them.
I think it has more to do with the core experience that people are seeking and whether or not the "new" game speaks to that core experience in a way that feels fresh.
lets take GTA 4 vs GTA 5 as an example.
I like running around a new world with the same game mechanics. Sure.. I would buy both (although I have become turned off to GTA series now) but the feature changes from GTA 4 to GTA 5 are not enough to call it 'the wave of the future' anymore than GTA 4 was.
So in my example when one says 'wave of the future' it implies a change it cant be the same.
well GTA 5 is indeed different. hell you can play three characters during one game session! you can get the view of a dog but are the features really enough to say 'wave of the future?' I would say no.
Destiny I havent played because I am not interest in it so I guess I am asking. what features are different to justify it being a 'wave of the future' unlike other games.
I like running around a new world with the same game mechanics. Sure.. I would buy both (although I have become turned off to GTA series now) but the feature changes from GTA 4 to GTA 5 are not enough to call it 'the wave of the future' anymore than GTA 4 was.
So in my example when one says 'wave of the future' it implies a change it cant be the same.
well GTA 5 is indeed different. hell you can play three characters during one game session! you can get the view of a dog but are the features really enough to say 'wave of the future?' I would say no.
Destiny I havent played because I am not interest in it so I guess I am asking. what features are different to justify it being a 'wave of the future' unlike other games.
Well, it seems you wish to define 'wave of the future' to mean something you believe would change the industry.
Originally posted by WillowFuxxylets take GTA 4 vs GTA 5 as an example.I like running around a new world with the same game mechanics. Sure.. I would buy both (although I have become turned off to GTA series now) but the feature changes from GTA 4 to GTA 5 are not enough to call it 'the wave of the future' anymore than GTA 4 was.So in my example when one says 'wave of the future' it implies a change it cant be the same.well GTA 5 is indeed different. hell you can play three characters during one game session! you can get the view of a dog but are the features really enough to say 'wave of the future?' I would say no.Destiny I havent played because I am not interest in it so I guess I am asking. what features are different to justify it being a 'wave of the future' unlike other games.
Well, it seems you wish to define 'wave of the future' to mean something you believe would change the industry. By definition from Merriam-Webster; ' wave of the future: an idea, product, or movement that is viewed as representing forces or a trend that will inevitably prevail ' ( http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wave of the future ) So, it seems more of what will become popular to gamers than what new things are being done.
that doesnt change anything It doesnt change what I am asking
Lets use my GTA example again. GTA 5 a 'wave of the future' but GTA 4 is not? that needs some explaining. why 5 and not 4? if 4 is as well why would one make a comment that GTA 5 is a wave of the future when GTA 4 is as well it makes no sense,,
again..its called differentiating factors. It cant be exactly the same and be called a wave of the future anymore than my dad ate nuts game could
Originally posted by Nephaerius I'm willing to bet no one is even playing Destiny in a few months time. It's all Bungee hype surrounding a mediocre game at best.
I wonder if anyone is still playing TitanFall.
I will say though, its clear that marketing works...they are rolling in the coin. sad but true
Half a billion in sales? No, half a billion shipped to stores. While I don't submit Destiny will never make $500 million, Activision released sales to retailers in a statement with misleading wording to generate press. They sold $500 million worth of copies to retailers in 24 hours. Not to consumers.
that doesnt change anything It doesnt change what I am asking
Lets use my GTA example again. GTA 5 a 'wave of the future' but GTA 4 is not? that needs some explaining. why 5 and not 4? if 4 is as well why would one make a comment that GTA 5 is a wave of the future when GTA 4 is as well it makes no sense,,
again..its called differentiating factors. It cant be exactly the same and be called a wave of the future anymore than my dad ate nuts game could
That depends on who called GTA 5 the 'wave of the future' and was it said as a tagline/marketing ploy?
Anyone can throw that term around, like another term thrown around here 'Sandbox'.
You'll have different definitions of what that term means and used in such a way to justify a liking or disliking of a game. Why so stuck on whether a game fits that definition? Can one simply not enjoy a game without it having to be 'The Wave of the Future'?
Originally posted by MadFrenchie Half a billion in sales? No, half a billion shipped to stores. While I don't submit Destiny will never make $500 million, Activision released sales to retailers in a statement with misleading wording to generate press. They sold $500 million worth of copies to retailers in 24 hours. Not to consumers.
that is very misleading. Not to mention even if it was consumers its still gross and not net.
that doesnt change anything It doesnt change what I am asking
Lets use my GTA example again. GTA 5 a 'wave of the future' but GTA 4 is not? that needs some explaining. why 5 and not 4? if 4 is as well why would one make a comment that GTA 5 is a wave of the future when GTA 4 is as well it makes no sense,,
again..its called differentiating factors. It cant be exactly the same and be called a wave of the future anymore than my dad ate nuts game could
That depends on who called GTA 5 the 'wave of the future' and was it said as a tagline/marketing ploy?
Anyone can throw that term around, like another term thrown around here 'Sandbox'.
You'll have different definitions of what that term means and used in such a way to justify a liking or disliking of a game. Why so stuck on whether a game fits that definition? Can one simply not enjoy a game without it having to be 'The Wave of the Future'?
so basically what people are saying here is this
Destiny is the wave of the future just like every other FPS ever created is also the wave of the future becuase its like every other FPS created.
I think at this point it might be good to show us who are not playing the game some of the differentiating factors.
Originally posted by Nephaerius I'm willing to bet no one is even playing Destiny in a few months time. It's all Bungee hype surrounding a mediocre game at best.
I wonder if anyone is still playing TitanFall.
I will say though, its clear that marketing works...they are rolling in the coin. sad but true
Great comparison actually. If people remember correctly Titanfall was supposed to be the game that surpassed CoD and they fell far short of their goal and are even currently tuning back elements to make the game more closely resemble a modified CoD than the original core Titan gameplay. These companies can get by on name alone and it will work for at least a release or 2 before people see the truth.
I also think a comparison to Defiance is quite apt and tbh Defiance actually exceeds what's available in Destiny in quite a few ways but is considered far from a success.
I won't argue that Destiny is a well made game, but it doesn't offer anything new or innovative IMO except for the fact that it's the newest IP/title from Bungee and they usually make quality work. That doesn't make a game a 10/10 for me though.
Destiny is the wave of the future just like every other FPS ever created is also the wave of the future becuase its like every other FPS created.
I think at this point it might be good to show us who are not playing the game some of the differentiating factors.
As I've previously stated. A month in will be the telltale sign as to whether Destiny is all it was hyped to be, or just some generic shooter.
It's just hype.
As for your last line, again, why should it dictate whether or not you should like/dislike it?
If it becomes popular and other companies try to follow suit, it'll become a trend to some, and some will hate the new direction (see enough of the 'Mmo genre has changed for the worse' threads here already) it will just be another topic for discussion.
Destiny is the wave of the future just like every other FPS ever created is also the wave of the future becuase its like every other FPS created.
I think at this point it might be good to show us who are not playing the game some of the differentiating factors.
As I've previously stated. A month in will be the telltale sign as to whether Destiny is all it was hyped to be, or just some generic shooter.
It's just hype.
As for your last line, again, why should it dictate whether or not you should like/dislike it?
If it becomes popular and other companies try to follow suit, it'll become a trend to some, and some will hate the new direction (see enough of the 'Mmo genre has changed for the worse' threads here already) it will just be another topic for discussion.
Nothing more, nothing less.
companies have already followed suit is my point. In fact Bungie is a company that has followed suit.
I dont think my point is being understood like at all.
companies have already followed suit is my point. In fact Bungie is a company that has followed suit.
I dont think my point is being understood like at all.
I don't understand your point when you bring this 'wave of the future' term in the way it isn't supposed to be used but how you see others use it without giving it the definition you/they mean.
I don't think Bungie followed suit, Destiny is very much like Halo which has stood out from the BFs and CoDs out there.
They are trying something and only time will tell if they'll succeed at it or not. Still don't see what's got you up in arms with the terminology thing.
companies have already followed suit is my point. In fact Bungie is a company that has followed suit.
I dont think my point is being understood like at all.
I don't understand your point when you bring this 'wave of the future' term in the way it isn't supposed to be used but how you see others use it without giving it the definition you/they mean.
I don't think Bungie followed suit, Destiny is very much like Halo which has stood out from the BFs and CoDs out there.
They are trying something and only time will tell if they'll succeed at it or not. Still don't see what's got you up in arms with the terminology thing.
Destiny is following the lead of other games. A follower can not claim himself to be the leader.
Its hard to explain (and needs to others) how a FOLLOWER is 'the wave the future' not saying it cant be explain but it needs to be.
companies have already followed suit is my point. In fact Bungie is a company that has followed suit.
I dont think my point is being understood like at all.
I don't understand your point when you bring this 'wave of the future' term in the way it isn't supposed to be used but how you see others use it without giving it the definition you/they mean.
I don't think Bungie followed suit, Destiny is very much like Halo which has stood out from the BFs and CoDs out there.
They are trying something and only time will tell if they'll succeed at it or not. Still don't see what's got you up in arms with the terminology thing.
Destiny is following the lead of other games. A follower can not claim himself to be the leader.
Its hard to explain (and needs to others) how a FOLLOWER is 'the wave the future' not saying it cant be explain but it needs to be.
Following who? Halo came out before CoD and Destiny feels more like Halo than it does CoD or BF so exactly who are they following?
companies have already followed suit is my point. In fact Bungie is a company that has followed suit.
I dont think my point is being understood like at all.
I don't understand your point when you bring this 'wave of the future' term in the way it isn't supposed to be used but how you see others use it without giving it the definition you/they mean.
I don't think Bungie followed suit, Destiny is very much like Halo which has stood out from the BFs and CoDs out there.
They are trying something and only time will tell if they'll succeed at it or not. Still don't see what's got you up in arms with the terminology thing.
Destiny is following the lead of other games. A follower can not claim himself to be the leader.
Its hard to explain (and needs to others) how a FOLLOWER is 'the wave the future' not saying it cant be explain but it needs to be.
Following who? Halo came out before CoD and Destiny feels more like Halo than it does CoD or BF so exactly who are they following?
follow all sci fi shooters that came before them. sure lets say Halo.
The point is Destiny is a FOLLOWER not a leader (which wave of the future implies) they are riding the wave created by iother games, not creating a wave.
yes i know its the same company please try to understand the example
Compared to fps games the difference is mmo and rpg elements.
Compared to mmo games the difference is $15 / no cash shop.
What's new: it is a hybrid. Which is giving some reviewers a problem imo. "Having so much fun, can't stop playing, but 6/10 because its not a proper mmo or fps . Usually I am confused why scores are so high having read a review with Destiny its the other way around. I almost feel they should score the game twice and add the scores to give it a 15 out of 10 (or whatever).
And the game got bigger at the weekend. And it got bigger again today. And having seen some of the streamed play today there is nothing trivial about Vault of Glass - almost seem sorry for the reviewers that rushed to be first out..
Compared to fps games the difference is mmo and rpg elements.
Compared to mmo games the difference is $15 / no cash shop.
What's new: it is a hybrid. Which is giving some reviewers a problem imo. "Having so much fun, can't stop playing, but 6/10 because its not a proper mmo or fps - it seems to vary. I almost feel they should score the game twice and add the scores to give it a 15 out of 10.
And the game got bigger at the weekend. And it got bigger again today. And having seen some of the streamed play today there is nothing trivial about Vault of Glass - almost seem sorry for the reviewers that rushed to be first out..
lets get a little more specific than 'its also an MMO' what specific feature(s) are we talking about here. lets get concrete.
also...calling $15 a month and no cash shop isnt exactly new and its not like they are bringing old school back.
follow all sci fi shooters that came before them. sure lets say Halo.
The point is Destiny is a FOLLOWER not a leader (which wave of the future implies) they are riding the wave created by iother games, not creating a wave.
yes i know its the same company please try to understand the example
Well, if you're going to compare it to Doom or Wolfenstein, I can agree it's still a FPS with the reticle and all.
I still think your definition of 'wave of the future' is erroneously used but whatever. Arguing semantics over word definitions is both futile and unproductive as no clear foundation is established for debate.
Keep wondering why people use that term and I'll just go play something I enjoy.
follow all sci fi shooters that came before them. sure lets say Halo.
The point is Destiny is a FOLLOWER not a leader (which wave of the future implies) they are riding the wave created by iother games, not creating a wave.
yes i know its the same company please try to understand the example
Well, if you're going to compare it to Doom or Wolfenstein, I can agree it's still a FPS with the reticle and all.
I still think your definition of 'wave of the future' is erroneously used but whatever. Arguing semantics over word definitions is both futile and unproductive as no clear foundation is established for debate.
Keep wondering why people use that term and I'll just go play something I enjoy.
I am using your defintion actually.
If a driverless car is created lets say in 2016 and another one EXACTLY the same is created in 2017 its a bit hard to say the 2017 is the 'wave of the future' without explaining how its different. (this painfully reminds me of iPhone 6 but that is a different conversation)
You seem to want to suggest that yes Destiny is EXACTLY like all other sci fi shooters and that is why its the wave of the future rather than doing like others here and actually explain the differences.
If a driverless car is created lets say in 2016 and another one EXACTLY the same is created in 2017 its a bit hard to say the 2017 is the 'wave of the future' without explaining how its different.
You seem to want to suggest that yes Destiny is EXACTLY like all other sci fi shooters and that is why its the wave of the future rather than doing like others here and actually explain the differences.
Well, it seems now that you were the one misunderstanding as:
1) I NEVER claimed it was the wave of the future (nice strawman argument),
2) You were the one that actually claimed it to be following and not being a leader, so you just boxed yourself in with that one. I actually said it was different from CoD or BF.
And no, your example is not at all what the definition I posted means, so maybe read it again or try a different venue for a better understanding.
If a driverless car is created lets say in 2016 and another one EXACTLY the same is created in 2017 its a bit hard to say the 2017 is the 'wave of the future' without explaining how its different.
You seem to want to suggest that yes Destiny is EXACTLY like all other sci fi shooters and that is why its the wave of the future rather than doing like others here and actually explain the differences.
Well, it seems now that you were the one misunderstanding as:
1) I NEVER claimed it was the wave of the future (nice strawman argument),
2) You were the one that actually claimed it to be following and not being a leader, so you just boxed yourself in with that one. I actually said it was different from CoD or BF.
And no, your example is not at all what the definition I posted means, so maybe read it again or try a different venue for a better understanding.
but you havent explained HOW its different
also, I am responding to the topic. You got into the mix somehow on a different point I guess. The subject is in the header of the string. check it out.
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Now there we can agree.
usually it's the "how" it is implemented over the "what" is being implemented.
so let's go back to WoW.
WoW, didn't really introduce anything "new". It had quests and raids, etc. But it looked at what a certain demographic of people said about their mmo experiences up to that point and streamlined a lot of things.
Look at, say, "Acton Movies". They really aren't "that different" from one another. But they use different characters with different levels of likeability, shuffle around a few things and "wham" people enjoy them.
I think it has more to do with the core experience that people are seeking and whether or not the "new" game speaks to that core experience in a way that feels fresh.
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Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
lets take GTA 4 vs GTA 5 as an example.
I like running around a new world with the same game mechanics. Sure.. I would buy both (although I have become turned off to GTA series now) but the feature changes from GTA 4 to GTA 5 are not enough to call it 'the wave of the future' anymore than GTA 4 was.
So in my example when one says 'wave of the future' it implies a change it cant be the same.
well GTA 5 is indeed different. hell you can play three characters during one game session! you can get the view of a dog but are the features really enough to say 'wave of the future?' I would say no.
Destiny I havent played because I am not interest in it so I guess I am asking. what features are different to justify it being a 'wave of the future' unlike other games.
Well, it seems you wish to define 'wave of the future' to mean something you believe would change the industry.
By definition from Merriam-Webster; ' wave of the future: an idea, product, or movement that is viewed as representing forces or a trend that will inevitably prevail ' ( http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wave of the future )
So, it seems more of what will become popular to gamers than what new things are being done.
that doesnt change anything
It doesnt change what I am asking
Lets use my GTA example again.
GTA 5 a 'wave of the future' but GTA 4 is not? that needs some explaining. why 5 and not 4? if 4 is as well why would one make a comment that GTA 5 is a wave of the future when GTA 4 is as well it makes no sense,,
again..its called differentiating factors. It cant be exactly the same and be called a wave of the future anymore than my dad ate nuts game could
Steam: Neph
I wonder if anyone is still playing TitanFall.
I will say though, its clear that marketing works...they are rolling in the coin. sad but true
That depends on who called GTA 5 the 'wave of the future' and was it said as a tagline/marketing ploy?
Anyone can throw that term around, like another term thrown around here 'Sandbox'.
You'll have different definitions of what that term means and used in such a way to justify a liking or disliking of a game. Why so stuck on whether a game fits that definition? Can one simply not enjoy a game without it having to be 'The Wave of the Future'?
that is very misleading. Not to mention even if it was consumers its still gross and not net.
Got to pay for all those ads
so basically what people are saying here is this
Destiny is the wave of the future just like every other FPS ever created is also the wave of the future becuase its like every other FPS created.
I think at this point it might be good to show us who are not playing the game some of the differentiating factors.
Great comparison actually. If people remember correctly Titanfall was supposed to be the game that surpassed CoD and they fell far short of their goal and are even currently tuning back elements to make the game more closely resemble a modified CoD than the original core Titan gameplay. These companies can get by on name alone and it will work for at least a release or 2 before people see the truth.
I also think a comparison to Defiance is quite apt and tbh Defiance actually exceeds what's available in Destiny in quite a few ways but is considered far from a success.
I won't argue that Destiny is a well made game, but it doesn't offer anything new or innovative IMO except for the fact that it's the newest IP/title from Bungee and they usually make quality work. That doesn't make a game a 10/10 for me though.
Steam: Neph
As I've previously stated. A month in will be the telltale sign as to whether Destiny is all it was hyped to be, or just some generic shooter.
It's just hype.
As for your last line, again, why should it dictate whether or not you should like/dislike it?
If it becomes popular and other companies try to follow suit, it'll become a trend to some, and some will hate the new direction (see enough of the 'Mmo genre has changed for the worse' threads here already) it will just be another topic for discussion.
Nothing more, nothing less.
companies have already followed suit is my point. In fact Bungie is a company that has followed suit.
I dont think my point is being understood like at all.
it is just one more fun shooter MP co-op game,it is not mmo
I don't understand your point when you bring this 'wave of the future' term in the way it isn't supposed to be used but how you see others use it without giving it the definition you/they mean.
I don't think Bungie followed suit, Destiny is very much like Halo which has stood out from the BFs and CoDs out there.
They are trying something and only time will tell if they'll succeed at it or not. Still don't see what's got you up in arms with the terminology thing.
Destiny is following the lead of other games. A follower can not claim himself to be the leader.
Its hard to explain (and needs to others) how a FOLLOWER is 'the wave the future' not saying it cant be explain but it needs to be.
Following who? Halo came out before CoD and Destiny feels more like Halo than it does CoD or BF so exactly who are they following?
follow all sci fi shooters that came before them. sure lets say Halo.
The point is Destiny is a FOLLOWER not a leader (which wave of the future implies) they are riding the wave created by iother games, not creating a wave.
yes i know its the same company please try to understand the example
Compared to fps games the difference is mmo and rpg elements.
Compared to mmo games the difference is $15 / no cash shop.
What's new: it is a hybrid. Which is giving some reviewers a problem imo. "Having so much fun, can't stop playing, but 6/10 because its not a proper mmo or fps . Usually I am confused why scores are so high having read a review with Destiny its the other way around. I almost feel they should score the game twice and add the scores to give it a 15 out of 10 (or whatever).
And the game got bigger at the weekend. And it got bigger again today. And having seen some of the streamed play today there is nothing trivial about Vault of Glass - almost seem sorry for the reviewers that rushed to be first out..
lets get a little more specific than 'its also an MMO' what specific feature(s) are we talking about here. lets get concrete.
also...calling $15 a month and no cash shop isnt exactly new and its not like they are bringing old school back.
Well, if you're going to compare it to Doom or Wolfenstein, I can agree it's still a FPS with the reticle and all.
I still think your definition of 'wave of the future' is erroneously used but whatever. Arguing semantics over word definitions is both futile and unproductive as no clear foundation is established for debate.
Keep wondering why people use that term and I'll just go play something I enjoy.
I am using your defintion actually.
If a driverless car is created lets say in 2016 and another one EXACTLY the same is created in 2017 its a bit hard to say the 2017 is the 'wave of the future' without explaining how its different. (this painfully reminds me of iPhone 6 but that is a different conversation)
You seem to want to suggest that yes Destiny is EXACTLY like all other sci fi shooters and that is why its the wave of the future rather than doing like others here and actually explain the differences.
Too bad there is no MMO there and rpg elements on FPSs is nothing new.
Well, it seems now that you were the one misunderstanding as:
1) I NEVER claimed it was the wave of the future (nice strawman argument),
2) You were the one that actually claimed it to be following and not being a leader, so you just boxed yourself in with that one. I actually said it was different from CoD or BF.
And no, your example is not at all what the definition I posted means, so maybe read it again or try a different venue for a better understanding.
but you havent explained HOW its different
also, I am responding to the topic. You got into the mix somehow on a different point I guess. The subject is in the header of the string. check it out.