Gotta love the "it doesn't affect how I play" defense. "Slow" people are why publishers/developers do this stuff and will keep doing this stuff.
I doubt they are slow. In denial is much more of a ring to it. Over investing in game sometimes contributes to denial attitude, especially those who already throws shit load of $$$ and time into it.
BDO is leaking players like an open faucet.
Well maybe it doesn't. Stop looking at things solely from your perspective.
The "this is how I see the world and it's the only truth" just doesn't work. Some people just don't care about this stuff.
edit: I'll add that I completely understand why people hate it but that doesn't mitigate that fact that others are indifferent.
Saying the truth is only a perspective from one side doesn't make it less of the truth. The truth is the truth. When ppl doesn't care about it, that's pretty much in denial.
It's all relative to how one can try to sympathize looking from others' perspective, i guess.
For me, it smells like denial. Unless, they just straight up play without reading chat, communicating with others or read any sort of articles/forums/social medias. That's hardly the case in this day and age.
This is in reference to "It doesn't affect how i play" defense from ^.
Bad dev decision->community pissed->players left in mass->less players to play with in mmorpg->saying it won't affect their gameplay is straight up nothing but denial (it's not a single player game).
Just because some people have left doesn't mean that it has affected everyone. Certainly hasn't affected me except I now have more space in grinding areas.
That's like saying "it hasn't affected me but it affected me."
I'll reword it for you:
"Players left because of the decision, less players, more space for me for farming. Less competition. It doesn't affect me but my gameplay actually changed. I get more loot, less ppl trying to dominate the spot, less pvp, yay"
You just proved my point. Sniff sniff "denial"
People were using "affecting me" as in affecting badly. But "ok" you win, players leaving have made a better game for me. Was that really your point? I doubt it.
Denial? No. but I think it's more along the lines that I don't have to look at life through your narrow glasses.
And you are assuming having more competition in farming, pvping is actually a bad thing?
It makes the game alive. If you wanna farm without interaction against other player, you should be playing single player rpg.
Yes, smells like you are in deep denial.
Gotta love the "it doesn't affect how I play" defense. "Slow" people are why publishers/developers do this stuff and will keep doing this stuff.
I doubt they are slow. In denial is much more of a ring to it. Over investing in game sometimes contributes to denial attitude, especially those who already throws shit load of $$$ and time into it.
BDO is leaking players like an open faucet.
Well maybe it doesn't. Stop looking at things solely from your perspective.
The "this is how I see the world and it's the only truth" just doesn't work. Some people just don't care about this stuff.
edit: I'll add that I completely understand why people hate it but that doesn't mitigate that fact that others are indifferent.
Saying the truth is only a perspective from one side doesn't make it less of the truth. The truth is the truth. When ppl doesn't care about it, that's pretty much in denial.
It's all relative to how one can try to sympathize looking from others' perspective, i guess.
For me, it smells like denial. Unless, they just straight up play without reading chat, communicating with others or read any sort of articles/forums/social medias. That's hardly the case in this day and age.
This is in reference to "It doesn't affect how i play" defense from ^.
Bad dev decision->community pissed->players left in mass->less players to play with in mmorpg->saying it won't affect their gameplay is straight up nothing but denial (it's not a single player game).
Just because some people have left doesn't mean that it has affected everyone. Certainly hasn't affected me except I now have more space in grinding areas.
That's like saying "it hasn't affected me but it affected me."
I'll reword it for you:
"Players left because of the decision, less players, more space for me for farming. Less competition. It doesn't affect me but my gameplay actually changed. I get more loot, less ppl trying to dominate the spot, less pvp, yay"
You just proved my point. Sniff sniff "denial"
People were using "affecting me" as in affecting badly. But "ok" you win, players leaving have made a better game for me. Was that really your point? I doubt it.
Denial? No. but I think it's more along the lines that I don't have to look at life through your narrow glasses.
And you are assuming having more competition in farming, pvping is actually a bad thing?
It makes the game alive. If you wanna farm without interaction against other player, you should be playing single player rpg.
Yes, smells like you are in deep denial.
It smells to me like you have a very narrow view of the situation and as I said above "looking only through your perspective". I think the denial here is you not capable of understanding that others interface with these games in different ways.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
Gotta love the "it doesn't affect how I play" defense. "Slow" people are why publishers/developers do this stuff and will keep doing this stuff.
I doubt they are slow. In denial is much more of a ring to it. Over investing in game sometimes contributes to denial attitude, especially those who already throws shit load of $$$ and time into it.
BDO is leaking players like an open faucet.
Well maybe it doesn't. Stop looking at things solely from your perspective.
The "this is how I see the world and it's the only truth" just doesn't work. Some people just don't care about this stuff.
edit: I'll add that I completely understand why people hate it but that doesn't mitigate that fact that others are indifferent.
Saying the truth is only a perspective from one side doesn't make it less of the truth. The truth is the truth. When ppl doesn't care about it, that's pretty much in denial.
It's all relative to how one can try to sympathize looking from others' perspective, i guess.
For me, it smells like denial. Unless, they just straight up play without reading chat, communicating with others or read any sort of articles/forums/social medias. That's hardly the case in this day and age.
This is in reference to "It doesn't affect how i play" defense from ^.
Bad dev decision->community pissed->players left in mass->less players to play with in mmorpg->saying it won't affect their gameplay is straight up nothing but denial (it's not a single player game).
Just because some people have left doesn't mean that it has affected everyone. Certainly hasn't affected me except I now have more space in grinding areas.
That's like saying "it hasn't affected me but it affected me."
I'll reword it for you:
"Players left because of the decision, less players, more space for me for farming. Less competition. It doesn't affect me but my gameplay actually changed. I get more loot, less ppl trying to dominate the spot, less pvp, yay"
You just proved my point. Sniff sniff "denial"
People were using "affecting me" as in affecting badly. But "ok" you win, players leaving have made a better game for me. Was that really your point? I doubt it.
Denial? No. but I think it's more along the lines that I don't have to look at life through your narrow glasses.
And you are assuming having more competition in farming, pvping is actually a bad thing?
It makes the game alive. If you wanna farm without interaction against other player, you should be playing single player rpg.
Yes, smells like you are in deep denial.
It smells to me like you have a very narrow view of the situation and as I said above "looking only through your perspective". I think the denial here is you not capable of understanding that others interface with these games in different ways.
Looking at the big picture here, nothing narrow. Narrow minded would be the very definition of your perspective since you feel at the moment happy cuz more farming space for you.
Where the big picture is the game taking a bad direction that might lead it to go cash grabbing F2P.
Denial is denial.
Gotta love the "it doesn't affect how I play" defense. "Slow" people are why publishers/developers do this stuff and will keep doing this stuff.
I doubt they are slow. In denial is much more of a ring to it. Over investing in game sometimes contributes to denial attitude, especially those who already throws shit load of $$$ and time into it.
BDO is leaking players like an open faucet.
Well maybe it doesn't. Stop looking at things solely from your perspective.
The "this is how I see the world and it's the only truth" just doesn't work. Some people just don't care about this stuff.
edit: I'll add that I completely understand why people hate it but that doesn't mitigate that fact that others are indifferent.
Saying the truth is only a perspective from one side doesn't make it less of the truth. The truth is the truth. When ppl doesn't care about it, that's pretty much in denial.
It's all relative to how one can try to sympathize looking from others' perspective, i guess.
For me, it smells like denial. Unless, they just straight up play without reading chat, communicating with others or read any sort of articles/forums/social medias. That's hardly the case in this day and age.
This is in reference to "It doesn't affect how i play" defense from ^.
Bad dev decision->community pissed->players left in mass->less players to play with in mmorpg->saying it won't affect their gameplay is straight up nothing but denial (it's not a single player game).
Just because some people have left doesn't mean that it has affected everyone. Certainly hasn't affected me except I now have more space in grinding areas.
That's like saying "it hasn't affected me but it affected me."
I'll reword it for you:
"Players left because of the decision, less players, more space for me for farming. Less competition. It doesn't affect me but my gameplay actually changed. I get more loot, less ppl trying to dominate the spot, less pvp, yay"
You just proved my point. Sniff sniff "denial"
People were using "affecting me" as in affecting badly. But "ok" you win, players leaving have made a better game for me. Was that really your point? I doubt it.
Denial? No. but I think it's more along the lines that I don't have to look at life through your narrow glasses.
And you are assuming having more competition in farming, pvping is actually a bad thing?
It makes the game alive. If you wanna farm without interaction against other player, you should be playing single player rpg.
Yes, smells like you are in deep denial.
There is the other thing of course, the more people leave, the fewer people that are around to buy the pearl shop items from the marketplace. But thats okay because there are less people contesting the grinding spots, shame you also need those same people around to do the bosses like Kzarka etc and good luck getting groups for the daily summons. Well at least you can switch channels so you can find one that still has a population. Yes, it does indeed smell like they are in denial.
Gotta love the "it doesn't affect how I play" defense. "Slow" people are why publishers/developers do this stuff and will keep doing this stuff.
I doubt they are slow. In denial is much more of a ring to it. Over investing in game sometimes contributes to denial attitude, especially those who already throws shit load of $$$ and time into it.
BDO is leaking players like an open faucet.
Well maybe it doesn't. Stop looking at things solely from your perspective.
The "this is how I see the world and it's the only truth" just doesn't work. Some people just don't care about this stuff.
edit: I'll add that I completely understand why people hate it but that doesn't mitigate that fact that others are indifferent.
Saying the truth is only a perspective from one side doesn't make it less of the truth. The truth is the truth. When ppl doesn't care about it, that's pretty much in denial.
It's all relative to how one can try to sympathize looking from others' perspective, i guess.
For me, it smells like denial. Unless, they just straight up play without reading chat, communicating with others or read any sort of articles/forums/social medias. That's hardly the case in this day and age.
This is in reference to "It doesn't affect how i play" defense from ^.
Bad dev decision->community pissed->players left in mass->less players to play with in mmorpg->saying it won't affect their gameplay is straight up nothing but denial (it's not a single player game).
Just because some people have left doesn't mean that it has affected everyone. Certainly hasn't affected me except I now have more space in grinding areas.
That's like saying "it hasn't affected me but it affected me."
I'll reword it for you:
"Players left because of the decision, less players, more space for me for farming. Less competition. It doesn't affect me but my gameplay actually changed. I get more loot, less ppl trying to dominate the spot, less pvp, yay"
You just proved my point. Sniff sniff "denial"
People were using "affecting me" as in affecting badly. But "ok" you win, players leaving have made a better game for me. Was that really your point? I doubt it.
Denial? No. but I think it's more along the lines that I don't have to look at life through your narrow glasses.
And you are assuming having more competition in farming, pvping is actually a bad thing?
It makes the game alive. If you wanna farm without interaction against other player, you should be playing single player rpg.
Yes, smells like you are in deep denial.
It smells to me like you have a very narrow view of the situation and as I said above "looking only through your perspective". I think the denial here is you not capable of understanding that others interface with these games in different ways.
Looking at the big picture here, nothing narrow. Narrow minded would be the very definition of your perspective since you feel at the moment happy cuz more farming space for you.
Where the big picture is the game taking a bad direction that might lead it to go cash grabbing F2P.
Denial is denial.
I can keep repeating it but it seems that the only way you are going to understand is with pictures.
Different people interface with these games differently. You can either ignore that or accept it.
People leave mmo's all the time and people leaving this particular game because of x, y or z reasons is inevitable.
It just sounds to me like you are saying that the people who left over this are so special that the game can't live on without them.
And I think it will. Oh sure, less population but those left will be the players who are engaged and somehow we will live without you.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
Gotta love the "it doesn't affect how I play" defense. "Slow" people are why publishers/developers do this stuff and will keep doing this stuff.
I doubt they are slow. In denial is much more of a ring to it. Over investing in game sometimes contributes to denial attitude, especially those who already throws shit load of $$$ and time into it.
BDO is leaking players like an open faucet.
Well maybe it doesn't. Stop looking at things solely from your perspective.
The "this is how I see the world and it's the only truth" just doesn't work. Some people just don't care about this stuff.
edit: I'll add that I completely understand why people hate it but that doesn't mitigate that fact that others are indifferent.
Saying the truth is only a perspective from one side doesn't make it less of the truth. The truth is the truth. When ppl doesn't care about it, that's pretty much in denial.
It's all relative to how one can try to sympathize looking from others' perspective, i guess.
For me, it smells like denial. Unless, they just straight up play without reading chat, communicating with others or read any sort of articles/forums/social medias. That's hardly the case in this day and age.
This is in reference to "It doesn't affect how i play" defense from ^.
Bad dev decision->community pissed->players left in mass->less players to play with in mmorpg->saying it won't affect their gameplay is straight up nothing but denial (it's not a single player game).
Just because some people have left doesn't mean that it has affected everyone. Certainly hasn't affected me except I now have more space in grinding areas.
That's like saying "it hasn't affected me but it affected me."
I'll reword it for you:
"Players left because of the decision, less players, more space for me for farming. Less competition. It doesn't affect me but my gameplay actually changed. I get more loot, less ppl trying to dominate the spot, less pvp, yay"
You just proved my point. Sniff sniff "denial"
People were using "affecting me" as in affecting badly. But "ok" you win, players leaving have made a better game for me. Was that really your point? I doubt it.
Denial? No. but I think it's more along the lines that I don't have to look at life through your narrow glasses.
And you are assuming having more competition in farming, pvping is actually a bad thing?
It makes the game alive. If you wanna farm without interaction against other player, you should be playing single player rpg.
Yes, smells like you are in deep denial.
It smells to me like you have a very narrow view of the situation and as I said above "looking only through your perspective". I think the denial here is you not capable of understanding that others interface with these games in different ways.
Looking at the big picture here, nothing narrow. Narrow minded would be the very definition of your perspective since you feel at the moment happy cuz more farming space for you.
Where the big picture is the game taking a bad direction that might lead it to go cash grabbing F2P.
Denial is denial.
I can keep repeating it but it seems that the only way you are going to understand is with pictures.
Different people interface with these games differently. You can either ignore that or accept it.
People leave mmo's all the time and people leaving this particular game because of x, y or z reasons is inevitable.
It just sounds to me like you are saying that the people who left over this are so special that the game can't live on without them.
And I think it will. Oh sure, less population but those left will be the players who are engaged and somehow we will live without you.
And I'll say this again, saying it won't affect your gameplay, it's plain denial.
Have fun with your farming spot. That's one of the interface you gave example for this argument, you being happy alone killing/farming. I'm glad for you.
Yah ppl who gonna stay will stay, it doesn't change the fact the game's health will go south. Look at game like Warhammer Online. I'm sure plenty of ppl stayed till very end. I'm not saying BDO will head WHO route. Heading South is South.
Pretending everything won't change is just plain denial.
Gotta love the "it doesn't affect how I play" defense. "Slow" people are why publishers/developers do this stuff and will keep doing this stuff.
I doubt they are slow. In denial is much more of a ring to it. Over investing in game sometimes contributes to denial attitude, especially those who already throws shit load of $$$ and time into it.
BDO is leaking players like an open faucet.
Well maybe it doesn't. Stop looking at things solely from your perspective.
The "this is how I see the world and it's the only truth" just doesn't work. Some people just don't care about this stuff.
edit: I'll add that I completely understand why people hate it but that doesn't mitigate that fact that others are indifferent.
Saying the truth is only a perspective from one side doesn't make it less of the truth. The truth is the truth. When ppl doesn't care about it, that's pretty much in denial.
It's all relative to how one can try to sympathize looking from others' perspective, i guess.
For me, it smells like denial. Unless, they just straight up play without reading chat, communicating with others or read any sort of articles/forums/social medias. That's hardly the case in this day and age.
This is in reference to "It doesn't affect how i play" defense from ^.
Bad dev decision->community pissed->players left in mass->less players to play with in mmorpg->saying it won't affect their gameplay is straight up nothing but denial (it's not a single player game).
Just because some people have left doesn't mean that it has affected everyone. Certainly hasn't affected me except I now have more space in grinding areas.
That's like saying "it hasn't affected me but it affected me."
I'll reword it for you:
"Players left because of the decision, less players, more space for me for farming. Less competition. It doesn't affect me but my gameplay actually changed. I get more loot, less ppl trying to dominate the spot, less pvp, yay"
You just proved my point. Sniff sniff "denial"
People were using "affecting me" as in affecting badly. But "ok" you win, players leaving have made a better game for me. Was that really your point? I doubt it.
Denial? No. but I think it's more along the lines that I don't have to look at life through your narrow glasses.
And you are assuming having more competition in farming, pvping is actually a bad thing?
It makes the game alive. If you wanna farm without interaction against other player, you should be playing single player rpg.
Yes, smells like you are in deep denial.
It smells to me like you have a very narrow view of the situation and as I said above "looking only through your perspective". I think the denial here is you not capable of understanding that others interface with these games in different ways.
Looking at the big picture here, nothing narrow. Narrow minded would be the very definition of your perspective since you feel at the moment happy cuz more farming space for you.
Where the big picture is the game taking a bad direction that might lead it to go cash grabbing F2P.
Denial is denial.
I can keep repeating it but it seems that the only way you are going to understand is with pictures.
Different people interface with these games differently. You can either ignore that or accept it.
People leave mmo's all the time and people leaving this particular game because of x, y or z reasons is inevitable.
It just sounds to me like you are saying that the people who left over this are so special that the game can't live on without them.
And I think it will. Oh sure, less population but those left will be the players who are engaged and somehow we will live without you.
And I'll say this again, saying it won't affect your gameplay, it's plain denial.
Have fun with your farming spot. That's one of the interface you gave example for this argument, you being happy alone killing/farming. I'm glad for you.
Yah ppl who gonna stay will stay, it doesn't change the fact the game's health will go south. Look at game like Warhammer Online. I'm sure plenty of ppl stayed till very end. I'm not saying BDO will head WHO route. Heading South is South.
Pretending everything won't change is just plain denial.
No one ever said things wouldn't change. Heck, I've said over and over that people will leave for a variety of reasons. there are very few games that don't have people leave for one reason or another.
What people are saying is that the seemingly "few" people who have left over this haven't affected their game play in the negative. If you don't want to accept that this is the case (your lovely word "denial") that is your affair.
Otherwise it feels a bit like a temper tantrum "oh, we'll show them, we'll leave and they will be sorry".
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
I can keep repeating it but it seems that the only way you are going to understand is with pictures.
Different people interface with these games differently. You can either ignore that or accept it.
People leave mmo's all the time and people leaving this particular game because of x, y or z reasons is inevitable.
It just sounds to me like you are saying that the people who left over this are so special that the game can't live on without them.
And I think it will. Oh sure, less population but those left will be the players who are engaged and somehow we will live without you.
And I'll say this again, saying it won't affect your gameplay, it's plain denial.
Have fun with your farming spot. That's one of the interface you gave example for this argument, you being happy alone killing/farming. I'm glad for you.
Yah ppl who gonna stay will stay, it doesn't change the fact the game's health will go south. Look at game like Warhammer Online. I'm sure plenty of ppl stayed till very end. I'm not saying BDO will head WHO route. Heading South is South.
Pretending everything won't change is just plain denial.
No one ever said things wouldn't change. Heck, I've said over and over that people will leave for a variety of reasons. there are very few games that don't have people leave for one reason or another.
What people are saying is that the seemingly "few" people who have left over this haven't affected their game play in the negative. If you don't want to accept that this is the case (your lovely word "denial") that is your affair.
Otherwise it feels a bit like a temper tantrum "oh, we'll show them, we'll leave and they will be sorry".
Well ultimately I believe this will back fire on PA. I do not think they will make more money as too many people have said that they are done forking over the cash. Whether they quit or not doesn't really matter. Without cash PA will stop development and then we will see how much everyone cares about this backlash. We will see.
No one ever said things wouldn't change. Heck, I've said over and over that people will leave for a variety of reasons. there are very few games that don't have people leave for one reason or another.
What people are saying is that the seemingly "few" people who have left over this haven't affected their game play in the negative. If you don't want to accept that this is the case (your lovely word "denial") that is your affair.
Otherwise it feels a bit like a temper tantrum "oh, we'll show them, we'll leave and they will be sorry".
The whole thing starts from me quoting Albatroes' reference to "It doesn't affect my gameplay" defense. I disagree on it like he/she did.
Then you go and said it doesn't affect my gameplay but it's affected anyway.
Then you just said "no one ever said things wouldn't change" up there.
Make up your mind.
Those who stay will be happy to stay, like in their own zone of happiness. That is true. Even WHO has follower till it's official death.
It's not that i'm accepting the case or not. Fact is the game heading south with this decision, big picture. Not little zone of happiness that one create for themselves.
My reference to denial is to Albtroes' reference.
It will affect your gameplay no matter how you isolate in your zone of happiness. Saying it doesn't just plain denial, positive or not.
Still against it. This video sums up my feelings very well
Disregarding whether or not you think we were deceived (and we were), this payment model is too much on top of the crazy model they already had.
I mean, today it's techincally "not the worst thing in the world" since they only sell for 20m, but it's only going to get more p2w as they increase the price in the marketplace (which they surely will do as sales drop off).
I've just had too much "it's not the worst thing in the world" piled on top of eachother with this game, to the point where it basically is the worst thing in the world now.
All that being said, it's a great game and I am happy people like cheyane, and anyone else, are still enjoying it.
No one ever said things wouldn't change. Heck, I've said over and over that people will leave for a variety of reasons. there are very few games that don't have people leave for one reason or another.
What people are saying is that the seemingly "few" people who have left over this haven't affected their game play in the negative. If you don't want to accept that this is the case (your lovely word "denial") that is your affair.
Otherwise it feels a bit like a temper tantrum "oh, we'll show them, we'll leave and they will be sorry".
The whole thing starts from me quoting Albatroes' reference to "It doesn't affect my gameplay" defense. I disagree on it like he/she did.
Then you go and said it doesn't affect my gameplay but it's affected anyway.
Then you just said "no one ever said things wouldn't change" up there.
Make up your mind.
Those who stay will be happy to stay, like in their own zone of happiness. That is true. Even WHO has follower till it's official death.
It's not that i'm accepting the case or not. Fact is the game heading south with this decision, big picture. Not little zone of happiness that one create for themselves.
My reference to denial is to Albtroes' reference.
It will affect your gameplay no matter how you isolate in your zone of happiness. Saying it doesn't just plain denial, positive or not.
How's this ...
When he said it doesn't affect his game play he meant negatively (which I did as well)
As far as your other point: This was the statement:
"Yah ppl who gonna stay will stay, it doesn't change the fact the game's health will go south."
and no one has ever said the game wouldn't lose players over the course of time like all mmo's lose players. It doesn't mean that the majority of players who have left have left because of this change.
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Well if they are forcing this system already then the direct may end up on Free to Play... even though they already have far reported a good amount of money to keep it running, the pop of the MMO is going to be what dictates what happens.
But overall is what MMO's already do and they keep up and running so i wouldn't bet on this having a major impact on the future of BDO. Even though the amounts of money being asked and the grind walls are over what's normal.
I can keep repeating it but it seems that the only way you are going to understand is with pictures.
Different people interface with these games differently. You can either ignore that or accept it.
People leave mmo's all the time and people leaving this particular game because of x, y or z reasons is inevitable.
It just sounds to me like you are saying that the people who left over this are so special that the game can't live on without them.
And I think it will. Oh sure, less population but those left will be the players who are engaged and somehow we will live without you.
And I'll say this again, saying it won't affect your gameplay, it's plain denial.
Have fun with your farming spot. That's one of the interface you gave example for this argument, you being happy alone killing/farming. I'm glad for you.
Yah ppl who gonna stay will stay, it doesn't change the fact the game's health will go south. Look at game like Warhammer Online. I'm sure plenty of ppl stayed till very end. I'm not saying BDO will head WHO route. Heading South is South.
Pretending everything won't change is just plain denial.
No one ever said things wouldn't change. Heck, I've said over and over that people will leave for a variety of reasons. there are very few games that don't have people leave for one reason or another.
What people are saying is that the seemingly "few" people who have left over this haven't affected their game play in the negative. If you don't want to accept that this is the case (your lovely word "denial") that is your affair.
Otherwise it feels a bit like a temper tantrum "oh, we'll show them, we'll leave and they will be sorry".
Well ultimately I believe this will back fire on PA. I do not think they will make more money as too many people have said that they are done forking over the cash. Whether they quit or not doesn't really matter. Without cash PA will stop development and then we will see how much everyone cares about this backlash. We will see.
In truth, I sort of have a disturbing feeling that they aren't into the game for the long haul. A bit of paranoia but someone posted an article in the Black Desert forums that stated Kakao was using money to set up other businesses. Is that just how they use their money or are they thinking of changing to other businesses and Black Desert is just a stepping stone?
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
This move has made it more likely to buy and play. I thought the cash shop prices were way to high. But I have np grinding gold to buy something in a cash shop. So for me, great move.
Dunno why people care so much about the people who stay. They'll just get an advantage when the game inevitably goes f2p. People who quit will just have to start from where they left off and people who got charge backs will just have to start from 0 but saved money. Lets hope the people that stayed or quit without chargebacks get a least something when the game goes f2p.
As my daddy used to say, "Son, sometimes you just gotta know when to pull out."
The people up in arms about this are pretty amusing.
First off, BDO is not P2W by some accepted definitions. Just because it is by YOUR definition, doesn't mean BDO lied, because you can still argue its not P2W. Its like an amusement park fast pass. You get right to the roller coaster while everyone else waits in line. Roller coaster is still the same though.
P2W, in my book, would be more like buying a pass that gives you access to another huge drop and double loop that the normal riders dont experience.
Secondly, I just dont care how other people got their gear/wealth. I only care how i got mine.
Of course, I am a PvEr so PvPers may have a different perspective on this. But to the average person, is there really a big difference to someone that can play 16 hours a day vs someone that has lots of disposable income to toss into the game? And its not like this is an instant ticket to uber gear, it will take time selling enough items to be able to buy the top end stuff anyway.
I can keep repeating it but it seems that the only way you are going to understand is with pictures.
Different people interface with these games differently. You can either ignore that or accept it.
People leave mmo's all the time and people leaving this particular game because of x, y or z reasons is inevitable.
It just sounds to me like you are saying that the people who left over this are so special that the game can't live on without them.
And I think it will. Oh sure, less population but those left will be the players who are engaged and somehow we will live without you.
And I'll say this again, saying it won't affect your gameplay, it's plain denial.
Have fun with your farming spot. That's one of the interface you gave example for this argument, you being happy alone killing/farming. I'm glad for you.
Yah ppl who gonna stay will stay, it doesn't change the fact the game's health will go south. Look at game like Warhammer Online. I'm sure plenty of ppl stayed till very end. I'm not saying BDO will head WHO route. Heading South is South.
Pretending everything won't change is just plain denial.
No one ever said things wouldn't change. Heck, I've said over and over that people will leave for a variety of reasons. there are very few games that don't have people leave for one reason or another.
What people are saying is that the seemingly "few" people who have left over this haven't affected their game play in the negative. If you don't want to accept that this is the case (your lovely word "denial") that is your affair.
Otherwise it feels a bit like a temper tantrum "oh, we'll show them, we'll leave and they will be sorry".
Well ultimately I believe this will back fire on PA. I do not think they will make more money as too many people have said that they are done forking over the cash. Whether they quit or not doesn't really matter. Without cash PA will stop development and then we will see how much everyone cares about this backlash. We will see.
In truth, I sort of have a disturbing feeling that they aren't into the game for the long haul. A bit of paranoia but someone posted an article in the Black Desert forums that stated Kakao was using money to set up other businesses. Is that just how they use their money or are they thinking of changing to other businesses and Black Desert is just a stepping stone?
Chances are we've read the same articles, but converting the games revenue into 'hair boutiques' will likely mean a degredation in service as funds are diverted away from the game, if so then perhaps their 'long term business plans' are sound, just not in favour of the game or the players as the game would become a 'stepping stone' for as they likely see it, something with far longer term prospects than the 3 to 5 years that might have been the case of BDO.
The people up in arms about this are pretty amusing.
First off, BDO is not P2W by some accepted definitions. Just because it is by YOUR definition, doesn't mean BDO lied, because you can still argue its not P2W. Its like an amusement park fast pass. You get right to the roller coaster while everyone else waits in line. Roller coaster is still the same though.
P2W, in my book, would be more like buying a pass that gives you access to another huge drop and double loop that the normal riders dont experience.
Secondly, I just dont care how other people got their gear/wealth. I only care how i got mine.
Of course, I am a PvEr so PvPers may have a different perspective on this. But to the average person, is there really a big difference to someone that can play 16 hours a day vs someone that has lots of disposable income to toss into the game? And its not like this is an instant ticket to uber gear, it will take time selling enough items to be able to buy the top end stuff anyway.
And I think that's the point and one I've made before. It is the same to me if someone bought their "high end gear" and ganked me or worked on their character 16 hours per day for their high end gear and ganked me.
As some other have said (and I think is the issue) they enjoy playing hardcore and getting their gear and feel that someone shouldn't be able to buy their way in.
So this very well could be a hardcore pvp player "16 hours per day" (or whatever) sort of thing.
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No one ever said things wouldn't change. Heck, I've said over and over that people will leave for a variety of reasons. there are very few games that don't have people leave for one reason or another.
What people are saying is that the seemingly "few" people who have left over this haven't affected their game play in the negative. If you don't want to accept that this is the case (your lovely word "denial") that is your affair.
Otherwise it feels a bit like a temper tantrum "oh, we'll show them, we'll leave and they will be sorry".
The whole thing starts from me quoting Albatroes' reference to "It doesn't affect my gameplay" defense. I disagree on it like he/she did.
Then you go and said it doesn't affect my gameplay but it's affected anyway.
Then you just said "no one ever said things wouldn't change" up there.
Make up your mind.
Those who stay will be happy to stay, like in their own zone of happiness. That is true. Even WHO has follower till it's official death.
It's not that i'm accepting the case or not. Fact is the game heading south with this decision, big picture. Not little zone of happiness that one create for themselves.
My reference to denial is to Albtroes' reference.
It will affect your gameplay no matter how you isolate in your zone of happiness. Saying it doesn't just plain denial, positive or not.
How's this ...
When he said it doesn't affect his game play he meant negatively (which I did as well)
As far as your other point: This was the statement:
"Yah ppl who gonna stay will stay, it doesn't change the fact the game's health will go south."
and no one has ever said the game wouldn't lose players over the course of time like all mmo's lose players. It doesn't mean that the majority of players who have left have left because of this change.
Albatroes didn't say a thing you said that he said.
Man, the word "denial" must have triggered your inner soul so badly to the point ...
Albatroes said:
Gotta love the "it doesn't affect how I play" defense. "Slow" people are why publishers/developers do this stuff and will keep doing this stuff.
The word "Slow" referring to those who claimed "it doesn't affect how i play" didn't actually bothers you. Mind you "Slow" is much more offensive, where it often associated with mental disabilities.
There is nothing wrong with being in denial, as long as one happy. Regardless, game is going south or not. But, denial is denial.
No one ever said things wouldn't change. Heck, I've said over and over that people will leave for a variety of reasons. there are very few games that don't have people leave for one reason or another.
What people are saying is that the seemingly "few" people who have left over this haven't affected their game play in the negative. If you don't want to accept that this is the case (your lovely word "denial") that is your affair.
Otherwise it feels a bit like a temper tantrum "oh, we'll show them, we'll leave and they will be sorry".
The whole thing starts from me quoting Albatroes' reference to "It doesn't affect my gameplay" defense. I disagree on it like he/she did.
Then you go and said it doesn't affect my gameplay but it's affected anyway.
Then you just said "no one ever said things wouldn't change" up there.
Make up your mind.
Those who stay will be happy to stay, like in their own zone of happiness. That is true. Even WHO has follower till it's official death.
It's not that i'm accepting the case or not. Fact is the game heading south with this decision, big picture. Not little zone of happiness that one create for themselves.
My reference to denial is to Albtroes' reference.
It will affect your gameplay no matter how you isolate in your zone of happiness. Saying it doesn't just plain denial, positive or not.
How's this ...
When he said it doesn't affect his game play he meant negatively (which I did as well)
As far as your other point: This was the statement:
"Yah ppl who gonna stay will stay, it doesn't change the fact the game's health will go south."
and no one has ever said the game wouldn't lose players over the course of time like all mmo's lose players. It doesn't mean that the majority of players who have left have left because of this change.
Albatroes didn't say a thing you said that he said.
Man, the word "denial" must have triggered your inner soul so badly to the point ...
Albatroes said:
Gotta love the "it doesn't affect how I play" defense. "Slow" people are why publishers/developers do this stuff and will keep doing this stuff.
The word "Slow" referring to those who claimed "it doesn't affect how i play" didn't actually bothers you. Mind you "Slow" is much more offensive, where it often associated with mental disabilities.
There is nothing wrong with being in denial, as long as one happy. Regardless, game is going south or not. But, denial is denial.
nah, I just made a mistake of "who said what". The point still stands that when people say "it doesn't affect me" they are saying "in the negative"
So many back and forths I got confused but I"ll own that mistake.
Other than that I still stand by the idea that people who are playing are not in denial and actually enjoy the game because "they are enjoying the game". your insistence that this can't possibly be anything other than denial goes back to my point that you have a very narrow and "me centric" view. If one enjoys the game then there is no way they can enjoy it unless they are in denial.
And that's just bollocks.
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I still cant believe people view as this is not pay to win. I have time to play but do not have money and yet I have no chance to ever catch up to anything.
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And you are assuming having more competition in farming, pvping is actually a bad thing?
It makes the game alive. If you wanna farm without interaction against other player, you should be playing single player rpg.
Yes, smells like you are in deep denial.
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Looking at the big picture here, nothing narrow. Narrow minded would be the very definition of your perspective since you feel at the moment happy cuz more farming space for you.
Where the big picture is the game taking a bad direction that might lead it to go cash grabbing F2P.
Denial is denial.
But thats okay because there are less people contesting the grinding spots, shame you also need those same people around to do the bosses like Kzarka etc and good luck getting groups for the daily summons. Well at least you can switch channels so you can find one that still has a population.
Yes, it does indeed smell like they are in denial.
Different people interface with these games differently. You can either ignore that or accept it.
People leave mmo's all the time and people leaving this particular game because of x, y or z reasons is inevitable.
It just sounds to me like you are saying that the people who left over this are so special that the game can't live on without them.
And I think it will. Oh sure, less population but those left will be the players who are engaged and somehow we will live without you.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
And I'll say this again, saying it won't affect your gameplay, it's plain denial.
Have fun with your farming spot. That's one of the interface you gave example for this argument, you being happy alone killing/farming. I'm glad for you.
Yah ppl who gonna stay will stay, it doesn't change the fact the game's health will go south. Look at game like Warhammer Online. I'm sure plenty of ppl stayed till very end. I'm not saying BDO will head WHO route. Heading South is South.
Pretending everything won't change is just plain denial.
It's internet, what do you expect?
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What people are saying is that the seemingly "few" people who have left over this haven't affected their game play in the negative. If you don't want to accept that this is the case (your lovely word "denial") that is your affair.
Otherwise it feels a bit like a temper tantrum "oh, we'll show them, we'll leave and they will be sorry".
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
The whole thing starts from me quoting Albatroes' reference to "It doesn't affect my gameplay" defense. I disagree on it like he/she did.
Then you go and said it doesn't affect my gameplay but it's affected anyway.
Then you just said "no one ever said things wouldn't change" up there.
Make up your mind.
Those who stay will be happy to stay, like in their own zone of happiness. That is true. Even WHO has follower till it's official death.
It's not that i'm accepting the case or not. Fact is the game heading south with this decision, big picture. Not little zone of happiness that one create for themselves.
My reference to denial is to Albtroes' reference.
It will affect your gameplay no matter how you isolate in your zone of happiness. Saying it doesn't just plain denial, positive or not.
Crazy how much I agree with that video
When he said it doesn't affect his game play he meant negatively (which I did as well)
As far as your other point: This was the statement:
"Yah ppl who gonna stay will stay, it doesn't change the fact the game's health will go south."
and no one has ever said the game wouldn't lose players over the course of time like all mmo's lose players. It doesn't mean that the majority of players who have left have left because of this change.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
But overall is what MMO's already do and they keep up and running so i wouldn't bet on this having a major impact on the future of BDO. Even though the amounts of money being asked and the grind walls are over what's normal.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Yupp, It also works for GW2 because the cash shop doesn't affect pvp, and there is no open world pvp.
As my daddy used to say, "Son, sometimes you just gotta know when to pull out."
First off, BDO is not P2W by some accepted definitions. Just because it is by YOUR definition, doesn't mean BDO lied, because you can still argue its not P2W. Its like an amusement park fast pass. You get right to the roller coaster while everyone else waits in line. Roller coaster is still the same though.
P2W, in my book, would be more like buying a pass that gives you access to another huge drop and double loop that the normal riders dont experience.
Secondly, I just dont care how other people got their gear/wealth. I only care how i got mine.
Of course, I am a PvEr so PvPers may have a different perspective on this. But to the average person, is there really a big difference to someone that can play 16 hours a day vs someone that has lots of disposable income to toss into the game? And its not like this is an instant ticket to uber gear, it will take time selling enough items to be able to buy the top end stuff anyway.
As some other have said (and I think is the issue) they enjoy playing hardcore and getting their gear and feel that someone shouldn't be able to buy their way in.
So this very well could be a hardcore pvp player "16 hours per day" (or whatever) sort of thing.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Albatroes didn't say a thing you said that he said.
Man, the word "denial" must have triggered your inner soul so badly to the point ...
Albatroes said:
Gotta love the "it doesn't affect how I play" defense. "Slow" people are why publishers/developers do this stuff and will keep doing this stuff.
The word "Slow" referring to those who claimed "it doesn't affect how i play" didn't actually bothers you. Mind you "Slow" is much more offensive, where it often associated with mental disabilities.
There is nothing wrong with being in denial, as long as one happy. Regardless, game is going south or not. But, denial is denial.
So many back and forths I got confused but I"ll own that mistake.
Other than that I still stand by the idea that people who are playing are not in denial and actually enjoy the game because "they are enjoying the game". your insistence that this can't possibly be anything other than denial goes back to my point that you have a very narrow and "me centric" view. If one enjoys the game then there is no way they can enjoy it unless they are in denial.
And that's just bollocks.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
metaphor- a group of people went on a run. All runners were running to the next town and then the next and so on. But there seemed to be a group of runners that keep getting to the next town hours before the other runners. When asked how they do that I am running all the time and you seem to get here so fast? Reply Oh I just by a car from the cash shop.
Most would stop running.