so if they have a N American publisher please feel free to post a link to that info
"While we haven’t selected a publisher in N. America yet like we have in Europe, this doesn’t actually mean that we need one, or that we're going to wait for one, in order to launch the game there"
That could mean with GNi as there hosting partner there they have a solution for the server side..and with a DDL they could offer a distribution solution and self publish..
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
this thread is good in showing that we should not trust Darkfall the best reply available is that the developers believe that the game will speak for itself and will provide all the proof/marketing they will need I respect that mindset, I respect results even more
how so when the OP has been owned multiple times in this thread?
You also fail at reading comprehension
lol you're the only one to reply to me in two threads, i think you like me
Just when you think you have all the answers, I change the questions.
this thread is good in showing that we should not trust Darkfall the best reply available is that the developers believe that the game will speak for itself and will provide all the proof/marketing they will need I respect that mindset, I respect results even more
how so when the OP has been owned multiple times in this thread?
You also fail at reading comprehension
lol you're the only one to reply to me in two threads, i think you like me
Pathetic. Someone posts a legitimate gripe against Darkfall and the hordes of teenage fanboys charge in to attack him. Did he attack you, your family, or your loved ones? So why are you guys crying so much? If you guys don't agree with his opinion then find another thread to read.
Have you read any of his last 30 posts? Hes been bashing Darkfall for ages. Hes got no reason do doubt anything, as the fanboi's hae no reason to believe anything. A discussion is one thing, but openly trolling is always frowned upon. If anyone doubts this thread has been a monumental sucess as a Troll feeding frenzy, look at the people posting, and read some of their previous posts.
Wow. So many wounded egos here. It is kinda funny really.
Think about it. No one in this thread has been able to give reasonable answers to how Aventurine with is able with a 20 man team to create this huge game.
AoC failed with 200-300 people. Mythic is kinda failing at the moment too.
It is interesting that whenever someone mention on these boards the fact that Aventurine has been going on for ages with this project, the fan excuse is always that they actually didn't work on it so long, because they restarted development (which is true if you look at the old stuff) but when I mention that they can't make this game with all those features mentioned here (which is NOT all they promised on their website but my copy paste fingers starting hurting..) then all of a sudden the excuse is the development started 7 years ago.
Talk about a friggin HUGE contradiction.
Some posters attack me for not having seen the ship video which is silly. I am sorry but scripted videos say nothing. I complained about the people swimming and some poster said it was because they all swam for the same ladder. But the point is they actually swam in parallel not closing in on each other.
At the end of the day, this has turned into the typical fans here charging in (like Aragon and others). Obviously it is religion for them and not common sense.
I am surprised not more people are sceptical after Funcoms way of dealing with AoC. AoC was launched under such a smoke screen, but even they had an updated website and the looks of someone who COULD pull it off.
Aventurine is flawed - no previous history, the development team didn't even appear to have been that big from the beginning and their dealins incl. publisher are all inferior in the gaming industry. So is this some brave indie company? Well it is headed by someone without a shred of intelligence when it comes to PR and management of a company and it's reputation. Some claim they get free PR from this and that is partly true - HOWEVER the PR is meaningless if you anger so many people with arrogant postings, some snippets: "game is feature complete", "we could release tomorrow if we wanted", "we don't need to prove anything" etc.. There are more I am just lazy to dig out the many Tasos quotes.
No truth is they do bad PR with little care for updating their website and they have no care to show the game to tons of gaming magazines out there who would do free previews for them. There is no one here who can explain why they don't want FREE PR.
So if we forget the vocal minority I think most people have realized by now that Tasos saying this game is releasing soon doesn't mean it is true. He has said this for years, people just haven't followed it.
People believe what they want to. Come 22nd of January (or some days before) Tasos will use beta as an excuse to postpone: "we strive to do a great game, but our beta testers tell us the game isn't ready due to feature X and / or Y is not polished. We want to release the best game possibly, so we have decided to delay. We hope for your understanding blah blah"..
Wanna bet?
The combat videos (without external cameras) are very limited and I haven't really seen one long-winded combat from start to finish where you really followed what is going on. There is no shred of proof of this superior twitchy combat system. There is no shred of proof they can deliver hundreds of people in battle doing this kind of advanced combat. How they could possibly make this work when lag is bound to hit in, is beyond me.
Even the largest companies test their engines very much, but Darkfall has so far done well with a small or even tiny group of testers.
So does all these questions make me a troll or a hater? I am just a realist. Like many here. A lot of people think the same. I am just more vocal.
When this game is removed from mmorpg.com where will these fans go next? I bet they rally under Mortal Online - and I fear there are also oddities surrounding that game.
Have a nice evening
I can only conclude that no one really can give good explanations to the burning questions.
The many, many features are either unsupported by videos or have only been shown scripted. Tasos is too good for getting free PR for his game so he don't need the big gaming sites. And this game alledgedly is the next big thing after sliced bread without a shred of proof.
Where are the large underworld and the sea kingdom?
Where is the deep, deep crafting?
How can they claim 10s of thousands of players pr. server when they didn't test it? The odd thing here is that there are no instances even for dungeons, but with 100-200 testers they can ascertain that it works? And what happens if 5000 people all at once join the same battle? In Eve the servers would crash and boot.
Darkfall is full of promises. The list of features is not coherent but just one long wet dream list of things, however not cohesive.
I don't believe in the Jan. 22nd release date and no one here can defend that date either.
So all personal attacks brushed off we have to conclude no one could give any explanations. Aventurine with a 20 man crew can code all these game features in the largest mmo world ever, incl. 500 powers and spell effect and real time combat and god knows how much 3d modelling.
Funcom failed. Mythic is failing. But Darkfall with 10% of the people pulled it off.
Pathetic. Someone posts a legitimate gripe against Darkfall and the hordes of teenage fanboys charge in to attack him. Did he attack you, your family, or your loved ones? So why are you guys crying so much? If you guys don't agree with his opinion then find another thread to read.
Have you read any of his last 30 posts? Hes been bashing Darkfall for ages. Hes got no reason do doubt anything, as the fanboi's hae no reason to believe anything. A discussion is one thing, but openly trolling is always frowned upon. If anyone doubts this thread has been a monumental sucess as a Troll feeding frenzy, look at the people posting, and read some of their previous posts.
Wow. So many wounded egos here. It is kinda funny really.
Think about it. No one in this thread has been able to give reasonable answers to how Aventurine with is able with a 20 man team to create this huge game.
AoC failed with 200-300 people. Mythic is kinda failing at the moment too.
It is interesting that whenever someone mention on these boards the fact that Aventurine has been going on for ages with this project, the fan excuse is always that they actually didn't work on it so long, because they restarted development (which is true if you look at the old stuff) but when I mention that they can't make this game with all those features mentioned here (which is NOT all they promised on their website but my copy paste fingers starting hurting..) then all of a sudden the excuse is the development started 7 years ago.
Talk about a friggin HUGE contradiction.
Some posters attack me for not having seen the ship video which is silly. I am sorry but scripted videos say nothing. I complained about the people swimming and some poster said it was because they all swam for the same ladder. But the point is they actually swam in parallel not closing in on each other.
At the end of the day, this has turned into the typical fans here charging in (like Aragon and others). Obviously it is religion for them and not common sense.
I am surprised not more people are sceptical after Funcoms way of dealing with AoC. AoC was launched under such a smoke screen, but even they had an updated website and the looks of someone who COULD pull it off.
Aventurine is flawed - no previous history, the development team didn't even appear to have been that big from the beginning and their dealins incl. publisher are all inferior in the gaming industry. So is this some brave indie company? Well it is headed by someone without a shred of intelligence when it comes to PR and management of a company and it's reputation. Some claim they get free PR from this and that is partly true - HOWEVER the PR is meaningless if you anger so many people with arrogant postings, some snippets: "game is feature complete", "we could release tomorrow if we wanted", "we don't need to prove anything" etc.. There are more I am just lazy to dig out the many Tasos quotes.
No truth is they do bad PR with little care for updating their website and they have no care to show the game to tons of gaming magazines out there who would do free previews for them. There is no one here who can explain why they don't want FREE PR.
So if we forget the vocal minority I think most people have realized by now that Tasos saying this game is releasing soon doesn't mean it is true. He has said this for years, people just haven't followed it.
People believe what they want to. Come 22nd of January (or some days before) Tasos will use beta as an excuse to postpone: "we strive to do a great game, but our beta testers tell us the game isn't ready due to feature X and / or Y is not polished. We want to release the best game possibly, so we have decided to delay. We hope for your understanding blah blah"..
Wanna bet?
The combat videos (without external cameras) are very limited and I haven't really seen one long-winded combat from start to finish where you really followed what is going on. There is no shred of proof of this superior twitchy combat system. There is no shred of proof they can deliver hundreds of people in battle doing this kind of advanced combat. How they could possibly make this work when lag is bound to hit in, is beyond me.
Even the largest companies test their engines very much, but Darkfall has so far done well with a small or even tiny group of testers.
So does all these questions make me a troll or a hater? I am just a realist. Like many here. A lot of people think the same. I am just more vocal.
When this game is removed from mmorpg.com where will these fans go next? I bet they rally under Mortal Online - and I fear there are also oddities surrounding that game.
Have a nice evening
I can only conclude that no one really can give good explanations to the burning questions.
The many, many features are either unsupported by videos or have only been shown scripted. Tasos is too good for getting free PR for his game so he don't need the big gaming sites. And this game alledgedly is the next big thing after sliced bread without a shred of proof.
Where are the large underworld and the sea kingdom?
Where is the deep, deep crafting?
How can they claim 10s of thousands of players pr. server when they didn't test it? The odd thing here is that there are no instances even for dungeons, but with 100-200 testers they can ascertain that it works? And what happens if 5000 people all at once join the same battle? In Eve the servers would crash and boot.
Darkfall is full of promises. The list of features is not coherent but just one long wet dream list of things, however not cohesive.
I don't believe in the Jan. 22nd release date and no one here can defend that date either.
So all personal attacks brushed off we have to conclude no one could give any explanations. Aventurine with a 20 man crew can code all these game features in the largest mmo world ever, incl. 500 powers and spell effect and real time combat and god knows how much 3d modelling.
Funcom failed. Mythic is failing. But Darkfall with 10% of the people pulled it off.
A thread of 27 pages and on every page you get reasonable explanation and descriptions of the game and the features and still you claim you havent seen them?
You have beyond any reasonable doubt been proven wrong hundred of times in this thread and still continue to claim you're right?
This is a link to previews from one of the Beta testers....this is part 4. Feel free to read parts 1-3. At this point, without having played the game...what other information do you want to possibly convince you that this game is real, that it is unique, and that it appears on its way to offereing many of the features it said it would?
Open your eyes man. The game exists. It's got new and unbelieveable features never seen in an MMO before. Does it have ALL of the features on that list?? Probably not. Does it have MOST? It seems to....so why continue to hate on it?
beta.thenoobcomic.com/df_preview/part4.html This is a link to previews from one of the Beta testers....this is part 4. Feel free to read parts 1-3. At this point, without having played the game...what other information do you want to possibly convince you that this game is real, that it is unique, and that it appears on its way to offereing many of the features it said it would? Open your eyes man. The game exists. It's got new and unbelieveable features never seen in an MMO before. Does it have ALL of the features on that list?? Probably not. Does it have MOST? It seems to....so why continue to hate on it?
How many tested in that beta? Server stability? Real time combat in masses - what about lag? Is it even possible?
What about class, race, skills balance? Have they really had the ressources to balance all this out yet? Are half the powers/skills broken? Or more? Or less?
Remember she has a gag for what exactly she can and can not say!
What features are in? Explicit list? You have to understand they advertise a huge list of features on their website. But they don't update the website with release date or which features is in.
One thing for example is the NPC hirelings, which I had missed is no longer in the game. Why not remove it from their website? A simple cut and upload takes ONE SECOND.
The questions are burning and pressing on.
And nothing in that preview proves Aventurine can pull it off. Nothing.
I shall be the first to come here and creep and crawl and apologize if I am wrong, but I am sorry to tell you, I am not wrong here. All the signs are there.
Too bad no one can respond seriously to these issues.
This 20 man team Tasos has must be some of Europes best programmers. And most flexible when they have been coding and modelling this HUGE game all by themselves.
What people don't get is that I want a game including many of Darkfall's features as much as the next man. But how can anyone disregard the blatant arrogance of Tasos and the lack of logic in his approach to promoting his game. By alienating his player base before even selling the game?
Something is wrong in this picture. Sorry.
I too wish for a sandbox mmo with consequences and depth.
I can only conclude that no one really can give good explanations to the burning questions. I can. The many, many features are either unsupported by videos or have only been shown scripted. Tasos is too good for getting free PR for his game so he don't need the big gaming sites. And this game alledgedly is the next big thing after sliced bread without a shred of proof.
Its called the game is not released yet.*
*not any single feature has to be demostrated to you Where are the large underworld and the sea kingdom? Under the the continent of Agon , in the sea surrounding the continents. Where is the deep, deep crafting? Aventurine never has claimed for crafting being very very deep deep, can remember statement like "we not tried to reinvate the wheel here" How can they claim 10s of thousands of players pr. server when they didn't test it? The odd thing here is that there are no instances even for dungeons, but with 100-200 testers they can ascertain that it works? And what happens if 5000 people all at once join the same battle? In Eve the servers would crash and boot. Load balancing ? the 10k claim is not proven but don't has too really. You are 1 person ..are you 10k persons? getting people to a single spot at the same time would require alot of organisation i didnt saw 5k people at one spot ..(maybe on coronet in SWG once to protest aginst $OE criminal practices lol) Darkfall is full of promises. The list of features is not coherent but just one long wet dream list of things, however not cohesive. One thing you are right ..Feature list isn't updated. I don't believe in the Jan. 22nd release date and no one here can defend that date either. You could share why? So all personal attacks brushed off we have to conclude no one could give any explanations. Aventurine with a 20 man crew can code all these game features in the largest mmo world ever, incl. 500 powers and spell effect and real time combat and god knows how much 3d modelling. A couple has brought us the most innovative single player game with FPS combat , RTS elememnts and RPG elements Funcom failed. Mythic is failing. But Darkfall with 10% of the people pulled it off. Funcom and Mythic failed MMO design. For a singleplayer could be still interesting what they did. DF has a 100% MMO designed game..
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
beta.thenoobcomic.com/df_preview/part4.html This is a link to previews from one of the Beta testers....this is part 4. Feel free to read parts 1-3. At this point, without having played the game...what other information do you want to possibly convince you that this game is real, that it is unique, and that it appears on its way to offereing many of the features it said it would? Open your eyes man. The game exists. It's got new and unbelieveable features never seen in an MMO before. Does it have ALL of the features on that list?? Probably not. Does it have MOST? It seems to....so why continue to hate on it?
How many tested in that beta? [in the hunderds] Server stability?[reported stable] Real time combat in masses - what about lag?[any game has lag, you personal connection is to blame for the biggest part] Is it even possible?[yes it could be]
What about class[no classes], race[6 of them], skills balance?[ no need for balance] Have they really had the ressources to balance all this out yet?[they just have to make clear no extreme things like one shots occur] Are half the powers/skills broken? Or more? Or less?[NDA, maybe beta tester know]
Remember she has a gag for what exactly she can and can not say! [NDA]
What features are in? Explicit list? You have to understand they advertise a huge list of features on their website. But they don't update the website with release date or which features is in.[one thing you right about]
One thing for example is the NPC hirelings, which I had missed is no longer in the game. Why not remove it from their website? A simple cut and upload takes ONE SECOND.
[again list could be updated but they need all power to launch the game atm]
The questions are burning and pressing on.
[obviously you don't care about given answers]
And nothing in that preview proves Aventurine can pull it off. Nothing.
[what would it proove for you ? a sentence .."they can pull it off ?", beta reviewer believe]
I shall be the first to come here and creep and crawl and apologize if I am wrong, but I am sorry to tell you, I am not wrong here. All the signs are there.
[you are cultist, follower of a religion "signs are here, DF will not release]
Too bad no one can respond seriously to these issues.
[i just have]
This 20 man team Tasos has must be some of Europes best programmers. And most flexible when they have been coding and modelling this HUGE game all by themselves.
[They sedulous and they had lot of time, programming is difficult but not a mystery , just a mastery]
What people don't get is that I want a game including many of Darkfall's features as much as the next man. But how can anyone disregard the blatant arrogance of Tasos and the lack of logic in his approach to promoting his game. By alienating his player base before even selling the game?
[They tackled on something others refuse, show some appreciation for that]
Something is wrong in this picture. Sorry.
[Yes, you arrogance to deny anything]
I too wish for a sandbox mmo with consequences and depth.
[and this 30 guys (29 guys and 1 girl, try to make it true for you]
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
I agree he is arrogant. Could just be a personality flaw, but it might be an attempt to cover up.
Wouldn't it be great though? If a small team could pull it off?
I know, there isn't any substantial proof.. and I agree the release date may get pushed back.
You're right in calling it a dreamer's hope.
I know its hard to hope after being lied to by other companies, but at least the dreamers believe in something. Sure people like AmazingAvery bring shame to their name by defending lies and deception, but at least they belive in something; whereas you and I remain in a skeptics world with no inspiration. Don't you envy them?
Just when you think you have all the answers, I change the questions.
I know its hard to hope after being lied to by other companies, but at least the dreamers believe in something. Sure people like AmazingAvery bring shame to their name by defending lies and deception, but at least they belive in something; whereas you and I remain in a skeptics world with no inspiration. Don't you envy them?
There is nothing wrong with maintaining a sceptical view. I doubt it's impossible to be open to inspiration just because of being cautious.
If people would allow themselves to be a bit more open, a bit more realistic in their expectation (and that goes to both extreme flanks of this sandbox conflict, sandbox for once not meant in the MMO context), it would be perfectly possible to be looking forward to what might be somehting different for a change while not having to get on the ground for a prayer towards Greece 3 times a day.
As things are here though, there simply is no solution to this quarrel. When people take out some hardly maintained list of features and hold it against the game even before it even reached the light of day, the game simply WILL fail for them, This attitude leads to self fulfilling prohecies, and quite frankly, that's all people like the OP really want. it's not like they want the game to fail, - they want to be disappoited and proven right at the same time, making exactly that sure by preparing checklists well ahead of time they know of that they can not be met in any realistic thinking.
It's not like Aventurine wouldn't be the first dev studio to not coherently maintain their FAQ and feature lists during development, even in the end phase. I dare to say none I'd know of ever did.
If you proove a game on release against one of those lists, there simply WILL be a delta, some missing features (initially or even longterm), and that's is common knowledge for everybody following especially MMOs for any langth of time.
As if that weren't enough, there clearly WILL be technical hickups, especially when it comes to high character counts in one place. The question won't be if DF is the first game to be able to perfectly handle that, but merely if it maybe manages to do it BETTER than what we had before, which would already be quite an achievement for all those of us being realistic.
So again, those arguing in extremes will not move the slightest bit in the discussion, as well as they won't when the game releases. There might be some extreme spectics that actually manage the move to playing and having fur if the game is launching successful as well as there will surely be quite some diehard fans that will fall from one flank to the exact opposite, totally disappointed in their lala-land expectations. It happend before and it'll happen again.
The majority of the extremists will just move on with what they did before. It's clear as we speak they will get what they want and be correct anyway, no matter what will happen, as they made their preparation for no surprise ever happening to them. It's sad on the individual level, but it simply is how people want to live, - so be it.
I know its hard to hope after being lied to by other companies, but at least the dreamers believe in something. Sure people like AmazingAvery bring shame to their name by defending lies and deception, but at least they belive in something; whereas you and I remain in a skeptics world with no inspiration. Don't you envy them?
There is nothing wrong with maintaining a sceptical view. I doubt it's impossible to be open to inspiration just because of being cautious.
If people would allow themselves to be a bit more open, a bit more realistic in their expectation (and that goes to both extreme flanks of this sandbox conflict, sandbox for once not meant in the MMO context), it would be perfectly possible to be looking forward to what might be somehting different for a change while not having to get on the ground for a prayer towards Greece 3 times a day.
As things are here though, there simply is no solution to this quarrel. When people take out some hardly maintained list of features and hold it against the game even before it even reached the light of day, the game simply WILL fail for them, This attitude leads to self fulfilling prohecies, and quite frankly, that's all people like the OP really want. it's not like they want the game to fail, - they want to be disappoited and proven right at the same time, making exactly that sure by preparing checklists well ahead of time they know of that they can not be met in any realistic thinking.
It's not like Aventurine wouldn't be the first dev studio to not coherently maintain their FAQ and feature lists during development, even in the end phase. I dare to say none I'd know of ever did.
If you proove a game on release against one of those lists, there simply WILL be a delta, some missing features (initially or even longterm), and that's is common knowledge for everybody following especially MMOs for any langth of time.
As if that weren't enough, there clearly WILL be technical hickups, especially when it comes to high character counts in one place. The question won't be if DF is the first game to be able to perfectly handle that, but merely if it maybe manages to do it BETTER than what we had before, which would already be quite an achievement for all those of us being realistic.
So again, those arguing in extremes will not move the slightest bit in the discussion, as well as they won't when the game releases. There might be some extreme spectics that actually manage the move to playing and having fur if the game is launching successful as well as there will surely be quite some diehard fans that will fall from one flank to the exact opposite, totally disappointed in their lala-land expectations. It happend before and it'll happen again.
The majority of the extremists will just move on with what they did before. It's clear as we speak they will get what they want and be correct anyway, no matter what will happen, as they made their preparation for no surprise ever happening to them. It's sad on the individual level, but it simply is how people want to live, - so be it.
On top of everything they haven't even announced an open beta and launch is five weeks away. Neither has they mass tested their product. A few hundred testers - 100-200? Compare that to WAR and other games.
They simply haven't tested this full game and all its so-called magnificent features.
When I read this community and its fans I really understand why people can get away with pyramid schemes. Some people will believe everything..
I know its hard to hope after being lied to by other companies, but at least the dreamers believe in something. Sure people like AmazingAvery bring shame to their name by defending lies and deception, but at least they belive in something; whereas you and I remain in a skeptics world with no inspiration. Don't you envy them?
There is nothing wrong with maintaining a sceptical view. I doubt it's impossible to be open to inspiration just because of being cautious.
If people would allow themselves to be a bit more open, a bit more realistic in their expectation (and that goes to both extreme flanks of this sandbox conflict, sandbox for once not meant in the MMO context), it would be perfectly possible to be looking forward to what might be somehting different for a change while not having to get on the ground for a prayer towards Greece 3 times a day.
As things are here though, there simply is no solution to this quarrel. When people take out some hardly maintained list of features and hold it against the game even before it even reached the light of day, the game simply WILL fail for them, This attitude leads to self fulfilling prohecies, and quite frankly, that's all people like the OP really want. it's not like they want the game to fail, - they want to be disappoited and proven right at the same time, making exactly that sure by preparing checklists well ahead of time they know of that they can not be met in any realistic thinking.
It's not like Aventurine wouldn't be the first dev studio to not coherently maintain their FAQ and feature lists during development, even in the end phase. I dare to say none I'd know of ever did.
If you proove a game on release against one of those lists, there simply WILL be a delta, some missing features (initially or even longterm), and that's is common knowledge for everybody following especially MMOs for any langth of time.
As if that weren't enough, there clearly WILL be technical hickups, especially when it comes to high character counts in one place. The question won't be if DF is the first game to be able to perfectly handle that, but merely if it maybe manages to do it BETTER than what we had before, which would already be quite an achievement for all those of us being realistic.
So again, those arguing in extremes will not move the slightest bit in the discussion, as well as they won't when the game releases. There might be some extreme spectics that actually manage the move to playing and having fur if the game is launching successful as well as there will surely be quite some diehard fans that will fall from one flank to the exact opposite, totally disappointed in their lala-land expectations. It happend before and it'll happen again.
The majority of the extremists will just move on with what they did before. It's clear as we speak they will get what they want and be correct anyway, no matter what will happen, as they made their preparation for no surprise ever happening to them. It's sad on the individual level, but it simply is how people want to live, - so be it.
On top of everything they haven't even announced an open beta and launch is five weeks away. Neither has they mass tested their product. A few hundred testers - 100-200? Compare that to WAR and other games.
They simply haven't tested this full game and all its so-called magnificent features.
When I read this community and its fans I really understand why people can get away with pyramid schemes. Some people will believe everything..
actulyl they have fully tested things but there running a Q/A type of beta so no point ot have every feature on right away. by time Public beta that should be 3 weeks long starts everythign will be on and working as intended most likly
Originally posted by downtoearth actulyl they have fully tested things but there running a Q/A type of beta so no point ot have every feature on right away. by time Public beta that should be 3 weeks long starts everythign will be on and working as intended most likly
Fully tested things? Lol.
So they have with their 100-200 beta testers (who just happen to be sooo much in awe they didn't anonymously break the NDA) fully tested this huge world, the 100 dungeons, the underworld and sea world domains, the 500 skills and associated power and power balances, riding, combat, the guild building, player house building, made sure there is not too many bugs and exploits? They have tested all the quests and levels?
Yea... they even tested the servers could handle the 10s of thousands of people.
You have no clue. There is no proof they fully tested this game. In fact no one knows what the REAL features of this mmo is - because there is NO updated list on their website. Even fans here admits that the website is filled with misleading information.
And you also have no clue about a 3 week public beta.
Who here really believes there will be a public beta from JAN 1st???
so if they have a N American publisher please feel free to post a link to that info
"While we haven’t selected a publisher in N. America yet like we have in Europe, this doesn’t actually mean that we need one, or that we're going to wait for one, in order to launch the game there"
That could mean with GNi as there hosting partner there they have a solution for the server side..and with a DDL they could offer a distribution solution and self publish..
So my statement stands. They do not have a publisher for N America. Anyway while while GNi is a good choice for their server infrastructure it really says very little as to the how the game will perform. Hellgate London for example also used GNi and we all know what their server stability/performance was like.
Not that it matters much to me, after taking a look at the game I have concluded that even if it eventually does release in US and even it it does not turn out to be a bug / lag fest I don't care for the overall design anyway so I am out of here. I played pre trammel UO and I do not care for going through that gank fest again and I was one of the better gankers . Good luck to those of you who believe in the game though, hope it turns out to be all that you imagine it will be.
Don't expect any one to be able to refute all these things. Where are all the fans now?
Darkfall claims to have dynamic weather, dynamic swarm of enemies, not static. There servers hold tens of thousands and are completely scaleable. Can you imagine how envious Funcom must be?? With their two development teams in both Norway and Asia they couldn't do that with ten times the manpower. But we all know that Norway isn't a great IT country like Greece. In fact they are so great in Aventurine they can promise all those ten of thousands pr. server without even having to test it. WOW
Who are you..?
Anyone can remain a skeptic and that is a healthy perception to take when viewing something for the first time, etc, but why are you so steadfast on remaining ignorant?
You keep steam rolling points, but they are illogical and quite frankly spoken from someone who hasn't been around the MMORPG community for long. You lack of praise for anything coming from Aventurine, is suspect and wildly fascinating!
Equally embarrasing is your ability to remain ignorant of MMORG history and technology. So you do not believe, OK, then why announce it?
You're a skeptic... fine!
It seems you cannot understand a good many things, so why do you need us to help you understand how they can have dynamic weather, or how they have boats, etc... and other games do not?
If you don't understand these things, understand how shards/servers work understand software and code, then perhaps you should goto school, or look into other game's design and technology. One good idea can come from one person, it doesn't need 300.
You're a child asking to see the cow, because you cannot understand how the milk is on your table. It seems you are the one who has doubts and you are the one who is ignorant and needs things feed to you, so that you can see the light.
I can refute everything you've asked or demanded and even give you examples.
But I'd rather sit back and laugh at you, seeing you in this frightened frenzy that... "What if Darkfall is all that" ..! Because, what would you be without this thread?
You are all about you... incapable of independant though and childish by nature! Plus, your ego is fun to toy with!
-Xoulz
And you are the reason I do not trust Darkfall fanboys or the company because yourblind, arrogant faith in the game leads to these types of posts. Insult people with legitimate questions and call them names because you cannot give an honest answer. Your strategy is to make you and the promises made by Adventurine look better by making those of us with different opinions and HONEST questions look stupid.
Fine, if that is your idiotic strategy then go for it. However, when the many thousands of players (like myself) give Darkfall an honest look and decide if its worth our $15 a month and we read reponses like this and choose not to play, please remember this type of attitude. You are the exact type of person who will be the face of or poster-boy of the Darkfall community and repsonses like this will lead to a hemmoraging of the playerbase.
So by all means, continue with responses like these when honest questions are asked. But when those questions go un-answered and the game is on life-support because of the lack of players, don't come to these forums and cry because all you will get is one single answer: we told you so.
If AVenturine and Darkfall want to be taken seriously and compete in an already over-crowded MMO market, then they need to answer these questions and others and work to convince people that the game is what it says it and not going to be a half-done, half-assed MMO. Until then, it is all ONLY empty promises.
So congrats on writing a post that works only to cause people to lose interest and turn away from Darkfall when you should be trying to get people to play. if this type of answer or responses is representative of Darkfall'as future community, then the game is in worse trouble than just potentially unfulfilled promises.
Fanboy..?
I'm not a fanboy, I just voiced my opinion of an inane troll whom is clearly a newbie to the MMORPG community. His overly negative comments stems from his lack of knowing how things are done. He clearly states in many of his post that "he doesn't know" how this or that can happen or how Aventurine can do this or that. Then he proceeds to base his debate and arguments off this lack of knowledge... !
So, why not call him out?
Legitimate question..? Where?
All I saw was incessant complaining and questions, that the industry as a whole has answered over the last 11 years. If he doesn't know, then I gave him advice on that too... Ask!
My faith isn't in Aventurine, but in my knowledge of past history.
For starters if you want to have a conversation about DarkFall try their forums I'm sure you'll be welcome there. =D
Next, quite a few of your questions can be answered on the website or in videos that show a great deal of what you are looking for i.e. swimming characters, ship combat, sieges, etc..etc.. Even some keep construction. Yay.
Also, while they don't show every tiny little feature a game that has been in development for 8 years shows a committed team. Furthermore, as far as I understand it the Greece government provides subsidies to small business and thus I believe Tasos has received funding to help develop this game. I could be wrong there, but I seem to remember reading about it a year ago or so. In addition, while they don't show every tiny little feature they do show quite a few other features. I invite you to actually watch the videos and read the some 280 pages of developer journals.
Ultimately, anyone could be lying about anything, however, the videos show some interesting things.
I don't give a shit what your gripe is about Darkfall, but stop comparing indie gaming companies to mainstream companies.
Indie gaming companies exists SOLEY to avoid these money grubbing mainstream gaming development publishers.
The point is, indie gaming companies (whether an MMO or not) to do to avoid any limitations on development, as many, many game publishers (EA anyone?) have done to other game companies.
To all the trolls: I don't give a shit what your gripe is about Darkfall, but stop comparing indie gaming companies to mainstream companies. Indie gaming companies exists SOLEY to avoid these money grubbing mainstream gaming development publishers. The point is, indie gaming companies (whether an MMO or not) to do to avoid any limitations on development, as many, many game publishers (EA anyone?) have done to other game companies.
By all accounts Darkfall devs have investors and have spent at LEAST 10 million dollars. I am pretty sure they will be grubbing for money, and not releasing this game as a charity or non-profit organization.
Indie gaming companies exist SOLELY to make money, and they all hope one day to be the next Blizzard, EA, or Mythic.
I don't think you will find any indie developer that will say, we are working day and night on this game, and we hope if flops and we go bankrupt. We would be very upset if we became millionaires, and we never want to grow as a company or get any bigger and become sucessful. That would be horrible.
The only difference between indie companies and mainstream companies is indies are just starting out, and have fewer resources. If the indies become successful, they graduate into the ranks of the mainstream companies.
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Ive played War and AOC and trust me.... DF easily tops those pieces of garbage.
Also DF does have an ameircan publisher..... thats old news... research better
really got a link to whom it may be by chance
wow.de.curse.com/articles/darkfall-en-news/17579.aspx
Googling shows this as the last word on the matter
and this is the latest info on launch on the official site which only lists a European launch
forums.darkfallonline.com/announcement.php
so if they have a N American publisher please feel free to post a link to that info
I miss DAoC
Ive played War and AOC and trust me.... DF easily tops those pieces of garbage.
Also DF does have an ameircan publisher..... thats old news... research better
really got a link to whom it may be by chance
wow.de.curse.com/articles/darkfall-en-news/17579.aspx
Googling shows this as the last word on the matter
and this is the latest info on launch on the official site which only lists a European launch
forums.darkfallonline.com/announcement.php
so if they have a N American publisher please feel free to post a link to that info
"While we haven’t selected a publisher in N. America yet like we have in Europe, this doesn’t actually mean that we need one, or that we're going to wait for one, in order to launch the game there"
That could mean with GNi as there hosting partner there they have a solution for the server side..and with a DDL they could offer a distribution solution and self publish..
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how so when the OP has been owned multiple times in this thread?
You also fail at reading comprehension
lol you're the only one to reply to me in two threads, i think you like me
Just when you think you have all the answers, I change the questions.
how so when the OP has been owned multiple times in this thread?
You also fail at reading comprehension
lol you're the only one to reply to me in two threads, i think you like me
lol
Have you read any of his last 30 posts? Hes been bashing Darkfall for ages. Hes got no reason do doubt anything, as the fanboi's hae no reason to believe anything. A discussion is one thing, but openly trolling is always frowned upon. If anyone doubts this thread has been a monumental sucess as a Troll feeding frenzy, look at the people posting, and read some of their previous posts.
Wow. So many wounded egos here. It is kinda funny really.
Think about it. No one in this thread has been able to give reasonable answers to how Aventurine with is able with a 20 man team to create this huge game.
AoC failed with 200-300 people. Mythic is kinda failing at the moment too.
It is interesting that whenever someone mention on these boards the fact that Aventurine has been going on for ages with this project, the fan excuse is always that they actually didn't work on it so long, because they restarted development (which is true if you look at the old stuff) but when I mention that they can't make this game with all those features mentioned here (which is NOT all they promised on their website but my copy paste fingers starting hurting..) then all of a sudden the excuse is the development started 7 years ago.
Talk about a friggin HUGE contradiction.
Some posters attack me for not having seen the ship video which is silly. I am sorry but scripted videos say nothing. I complained about the people swimming and some poster said it was because they all swam for the same ladder. But the point is they actually swam in parallel not closing in on each other.
At the end of the day, this has turned into the typical fans here charging in (like Aragon and others). Obviously it is religion for them and not common sense.
I am surprised not more people are sceptical after Funcoms way of dealing with AoC. AoC was launched under such a smoke screen, but even they had an updated website and the looks of someone who COULD pull it off.
Aventurine is flawed - no previous history, the development team didn't even appear to have been that big from the beginning and their dealins incl. publisher are all inferior in the gaming industry. So is this some brave indie company? Well it is headed by someone without a shred of intelligence when it comes to PR and management of a company and it's reputation. Some claim they get free PR from this and that is partly true - HOWEVER the PR is meaningless if you anger so many people with arrogant postings, some snippets: "game is feature complete", "we could release tomorrow if we wanted", "we don't need to prove anything" etc.. There are more I am just lazy to dig out the many Tasos quotes.
No truth is they do bad PR with little care for updating their website and they have no care to show the game to tons of gaming magazines out there who would do free previews for them. There is no one here who can explain why they don't want FREE PR.
So if we forget the vocal minority I think most people have realized by now that Tasos saying this game is releasing soon doesn't mean it is true. He has said this for years, people just haven't followed it.
People believe what they want to. Come 22nd of January (or some days before) Tasos will use beta as an excuse to postpone: "we strive to do a great game, but our beta testers tell us the game isn't ready due to feature X and / or Y is not polished. We want to release the best game possibly, so we have decided to delay. We hope for your understanding blah blah"..
Wanna bet?
The combat videos (without external cameras) are very limited and I haven't really seen one long-winded combat from start to finish where you really followed what is going on. There is no shred of proof of this superior twitchy combat system. There is no shred of proof they can deliver hundreds of people in battle doing this kind of advanced combat. How they could possibly make this work when lag is bound to hit in, is beyond me.
Even the largest companies test their engines very much, but Darkfall has so far done well with a small or even tiny group of testers.
So does all these questions make me a troll or a hater? I am just a realist. Like many here. A lot of people think the same. I am just more vocal.
When this game is removed from mmorpg.com where will these fans go next? I bet they rally under Mortal Online - and I fear there are also oddities surrounding that game.
Have a nice evening
I can only conclude that no one really can give good explanations to the burning questions.
The many, many features are either unsupported by videos or have only been shown scripted. Tasos is too good for getting free PR for his game so he don't need the big gaming sites. And this game alledgedly is the next big thing after sliced bread without a shred of proof.
Where are the large underworld and the sea kingdom?
Where is the deep, deep crafting?
How can they claim 10s of thousands of players pr. server when they didn't test it? The odd thing here is that there are no instances even for dungeons, but with 100-200 testers they can ascertain that it works? And what happens if 5000 people all at once join the same battle? In Eve the servers would crash and boot.
Darkfall is full of promises. The list of features is not coherent but just one long wet dream list of things, however not cohesive.
I don't believe in the Jan. 22nd release date and no one here can defend that date either.
So all personal attacks brushed off we have to conclude no one could give any explanations. Aventurine with a 20 man crew can code all these game features in the largest mmo world ever, incl. 500 powers and spell effect and real time combat and god knows how much 3d modelling.
Funcom failed. Mythic is failing. But Darkfall with 10% of the people pulled it off.
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Have you read any of his last 30 posts? Hes been bashing Darkfall for ages. Hes got no reason do doubt anything, as the fanboi's hae no reason to believe anything. A discussion is one thing, but openly trolling is always frowned upon. If anyone doubts this thread has been a monumental sucess as a Troll feeding frenzy, look at the people posting, and read some of their previous posts.
Wow. So many wounded egos here. It is kinda funny really.
Think about it. No one in this thread has been able to give reasonable answers to how Aventurine with is able with a 20 man team to create this huge game.
AoC failed with 200-300 people. Mythic is kinda failing at the moment too.
It is interesting that whenever someone mention on these boards the fact that Aventurine has been going on for ages with this project, the fan excuse is always that they actually didn't work on it so long, because they restarted development (which is true if you look at the old stuff) but when I mention that they can't make this game with all those features mentioned here (which is NOT all they promised on their website but my copy paste fingers starting hurting..) then all of a sudden the excuse is the development started 7 years ago.
Talk about a friggin HUGE contradiction.
Some posters attack me for not having seen the ship video which is silly. I am sorry but scripted videos say nothing. I complained about the people swimming and some poster said it was because they all swam for the same ladder. But the point is they actually swam in parallel not closing in on each other.
At the end of the day, this has turned into the typical fans here charging in (like Aragon and others). Obviously it is religion for them and not common sense.
I am surprised not more people are sceptical after Funcoms way of dealing with AoC. AoC was launched under such a smoke screen, but even they had an updated website and the looks of someone who COULD pull it off.
Aventurine is flawed - no previous history, the development team didn't even appear to have been that big from the beginning and their dealins incl. publisher are all inferior in the gaming industry. So is this some brave indie company? Well it is headed by someone without a shred of intelligence when it comes to PR and management of a company and it's reputation. Some claim they get free PR from this and that is partly true - HOWEVER the PR is meaningless if you anger so many people with arrogant postings, some snippets: "game is feature complete", "we could release tomorrow if we wanted", "we don't need to prove anything" etc.. There are more I am just lazy to dig out the many Tasos quotes.
No truth is they do bad PR with little care for updating their website and they have no care to show the game to tons of gaming magazines out there who would do free previews for them. There is no one here who can explain why they don't want FREE PR.
So if we forget the vocal minority I think most people have realized by now that Tasos saying this game is releasing soon doesn't mean it is true. He has said this for years, people just haven't followed it.
People believe what they want to. Come 22nd of January (or some days before) Tasos will use beta as an excuse to postpone: "we strive to do a great game, but our beta testers tell us the game isn't ready due to feature X and / or Y is not polished. We want to release the best game possibly, so we have decided to delay. We hope for your understanding blah blah"..
Wanna bet?
The combat videos (without external cameras) are very limited and I haven't really seen one long-winded combat from start to finish where you really followed what is going on. There is no shred of proof of this superior twitchy combat system. There is no shred of proof they can deliver hundreds of people in battle doing this kind of advanced combat. How they could possibly make this work when lag is bound to hit in, is beyond me.
Even the largest companies test their engines very much, but Darkfall has so far done well with a small or even tiny group of testers.
So does all these questions make me a troll or a hater? I am just a realist. Like many here. A lot of people think the same. I am just more vocal.
When this game is removed from mmorpg.com where will these fans go next? I bet they rally under Mortal Online - and I fear there are also oddities surrounding that game.
Have a nice evening
I can only conclude that no one really can give good explanations to the burning questions.
The many, many features are either unsupported by videos or have only been shown scripted. Tasos is too good for getting free PR for his game so he don't need the big gaming sites. And this game alledgedly is the next big thing after sliced bread without a shred of proof.
Where are the large underworld and the sea kingdom?
Where is the deep, deep crafting?
How can they claim 10s of thousands of players pr. server when they didn't test it? The odd thing here is that there are no instances even for dungeons, but with 100-200 testers they can ascertain that it works? And what happens if 5000 people all at once join the same battle? In Eve the servers would crash and boot.
Darkfall is full of promises. The list of features is not coherent but just one long wet dream list of things, however not cohesive.
I don't believe in the Jan. 22nd release date and no one here can defend that date either.
So all personal attacks brushed off we have to conclude no one could give any explanations. Aventurine with a 20 man crew can code all these game features in the largest mmo world ever, incl. 500 powers and spell effect and real time combat and god knows how much 3d modelling.
Funcom failed. Mythic is failing. But Darkfall with 10% of the people pulled it off.
A thread of 27 pages and on every page you get reasonable explanation and descriptions of the game and the features and still you claim you havent seen them?
You have beyond any reasonable doubt been proven wrong hundred of times in this thread and still continue to claim you're right?
Just amazing.
beta.thenoobcomic.com/df_preview/part4.html
This is a link to previews from one of the Beta testers....this is part 4. Feel free to read parts 1-3. At this point, without having played the game...what other information do you want to possibly convince you that this game is real, that it is unique, and that it appears on its way to offereing many of the features it said it would?
Open your eyes man. The game exists. It's got new and unbelieveable features never seen in an MMO before. Does it have ALL of the features on that list?? Probably not. Does it have MOST? It seems to....so why continue to hate on it?
How many tested in that beta? Server stability? Real time combat in masses - what about lag? Is it even possible?
What about class, race, skills balance? Have they really had the ressources to balance all this out yet? Are half the powers/skills broken? Or more? Or less?
Remember she has a gag for what exactly she can and can not say!
What features are in? Explicit list? You have to understand they advertise a huge list of features on their website. But they don't update the website with release date or which features is in.
One thing for example is the NPC hirelings, which I had missed is no longer in the game. Why not remove it from their website? A simple cut and upload takes ONE SECOND.
The questions are burning and pressing on.
And nothing in that preview proves Aventurine can pull it off. Nothing.
I shall be the first to come here and creep and crawl and apologize if I am wrong, but I am sorry to tell you, I am not wrong here. All the signs are there.
Too bad no one can respond seriously to these issues.
This 20 man team Tasos has must be some of Europes best programmers. And most flexible when they have been coding and modelling this HUGE game all by themselves.
What people don't get is that I want a game including many of Darkfall's features as much as the next man. But how can anyone disregard the blatant arrogance of Tasos and the lack of logic in his approach to promoting his game. By alienating his player base before even selling the game?
Something is wrong in this picture. Sorry.
I too wish for a sandbox mmo with consequences and depth.
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I say again.
POT meet KETTLE.
How many tested in that beta? [in the hunderds] Server stability?[reported stable] Real time combat in masses - what about lag?[any game has lag, you personal connection is to blame for the biggest part] Is it even possible?[yes it could be]
What about class[no classes], race[6 of them], skills balance?[ no need for balance] Have they really had the ressources to balance all this out yet?[they just have to make clear no extreme things like one shots occur] Are half the powers/skills broken? Or more? Or less?[NDA, maybe beta tester know]
Remember she has a gag for what exactly she can and can not say! [NDA]
What features are in? Explicit list? You have to understand they advertise a huge list of features on their website. But they don't update the website with release date or which features is in.[one thing you right about]
One thing for example is the NPC hirelings, which I had missed is no longer in the game. Why not remove it from their website? A simple cut and upload takes ONE SECOND.
[again list could be updated but they need all power to launch the game atm]
The questions are burning and pressing on.
[obviously you don't care about given answers]
And nothing in that preview proves Aventurine can pull it off. Nothing.
[what would it proove for you ? a sentence .."they can pull it off ?", beta reviewer believe]
I shall be the first to come here and creep and crawl and apologize if I am wrong, but I am sorry to tell you, I am not wrong here. All the signs are there.
[you are cultist, follower of a religion "signs are here, DF will not release]
Too bad no one can respond seriously to these issues.
[i just have]
This 20 man team Tasos has must be some of Europes best programmers. And most flexible when they have been coding and modelling this HUGE game all by themselves.
[They sedulous and they had lot of time, programming is difficult but not a mystery , just a mastery]
What people don't get is that I want a game including many of Darkfall's features as much as the next man. But how can anyone disregard the blatant arrogance of Tasos and the lack of logic in his approach to promoting his game. By alienating his player base before even selling the game?
[They tackled on something others refuse, show some appreciation for that]
Something is wrong in this picture. Sorry.
[Yes, you arrogance to deny anything]
I too wish for a sandbox mmo with consequences and depth.
[and this 30 guys (29 guys and 1 girl, try to make it true for you]
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I agree he is arrogant. Could just be a personality flaw, but it might be an attempt to cover up.
Wouldn't it be great though? If a small team could pull it off?
I know, there isn't any substantial proof.. and I agree the release date may get pushed back.
You're right in calling it a dreamer's hope.
I know its hard to hope after being lied to by other companies, but at least the dreamers believe in something. Sure people like AmazingAvery bring shame to their name by defending lies and deception, but at least they belive in something; whereas you and I remain in a skeptics world with no inspiration. Don't you envy them?
Just when you think you have all the answers, I change the questions.
There is nothing wrong with maintaining a sceptical view. I doubt it's impossible to be open to inspiration just because of being cautious.
If people would allow themselves to be a bit more open, a bit more realistic in their expectation (and that goes to both extreme flanks of this sandbox conflict, sandbox for once not meant in the MMO context), it would be perfectly possible to be looking forward to what might be somehting different for a change while not having to get on the ground for a prayer towards Greece 3 times a day.
As things are here though, there simply is no solution to this quarrel. When people take out some hardly maintained list of features and hold it against the game even before it even reached the light of day, the game simply WILL fail for them, This attitude leads to self fulfilling prohecies, and quite frankly, that's all people like the OP really want. it's not like they want the game to fail, - they want to be disappoited and proven right at the same time, making exactly that sure by preparing checklists well ahead of time they know of that they can not be met in any realistic thinking.
It's not like Aventurine wouldn't be the first dev studio to not coherently maintain their FAQ and feature lists during development, even in the end phase. I dare to say none I'd know of ever did.
If you proove a game on release against one of those lists, there simply WILL be a delta, some missing features (initially or even longterm), and that's is common knowledge for everybody following especially MMOs for any langth of time.
As if that weren't enough, there clearly WILL be technical hickups, especially when it comes to high character counts in one place. The question won't be if DF is the first game to be able to perfectly handle that, but merely if it maybe manages to do it BETTER than what we had before, which would already be quite an achievement for all those of us being realistic.
So again, those arguing in extremes will not move the slightest bit in the discussion, as well as they won't when the game releases. There might be some extreme spectics that actually manage the move to playing and having fur if the game is launching successful as well as there will surely be quite some diehard fans that will fall from one flank to the exact opposite, totally disappointed in their lala-land expectations. It happend before and it'll happen again.
The majority of the extremists will just move on with what they did before. It's clear as we speak they will get what they want and be correct anyway, no matter what will happen, as they made their preparation for no surprise ever happening to them. It's sad on the individual level, but it simply is how people want to live, - so be it.
There is nothing wrong with maintaining a sceptical view. I doubt it's impossible to be open to inspiration just because of being cautious.
If people would allow themselves to be a bit more open, a bit more realistic in their expectation (and that goes to both extreme flanks of this sandbox conflict, sandbox for once not meant in the MMO context), it would be perfectly possible to be looking forward to what might be somehting different for a change while not having to get on the ground for a prayer towards Greece 3 times a day.
As things are here though, there simply is no solution to this quarrel. When people take out some hardly maintained list of features and hold it against the game even before it even reached the light of day, the game simply WILL fail for them, This attitude leads to self fulfilling prohecies, and quite frankly, that's all people like the OP really want. it's not like they want the game to fail, - they want to be disappoited and proven right at the same time, making exactly that sure by preparing checklists well ahead of time they know of that they can not be met in any realistic thinking.
It's not like Aventurine wouldn't be the first dev studio to not coherently maintain their FAQ and feature lists during development, even in the end phase. I dare to say none I'd know of ever did.
If you proove a game on release against one of those lists, there simply WILL be a delta, some missing features (initially or even longterm), and that's is common knowledge for everybody following especially MMOs for any langth of time.
As if that weren't enough, there clearly WILL be technical hickups, especially when it comes to high character counts in one place. The question won't be if DF is the first game to be able to perfectly handle that, but merely if it maybe manages to do it BETTER than what we had before, which would already be quite an achievement for all those of us being realistic.
So again, those arguing in extremes will not move the slightest bit in the discussion, as well as they won't when the game releases. There might be some extreme spectics that actually manage the move to playing and having fur if the game is launching successful as well as there will surely be quite some diehard fans that will fall from one flank to the exact opposite, totally disappointed in their lala-land expectations. It happend before and it'll happen again.
The majority of the extremists will just move on with what they did before. It's clear as we speak they will get what they want and be correct anyway, no matter what will happen, as they made their preparation for no surprise ever happening to them. It's sad on the individual level, but it simply is how people want to live, - so be it.
On top of everything they haven't even announced an open beta and launch is five weeks away. Neither has they mass tested their product. A few hundred testers - 100-200? Compare that to WAR and other games.
They simply haven't tested this full game and all its so-called magnificent features.
When I read this community and its fans I really understand why people can get away with pyramid schemes. Some people will believe everything..
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There is nothing wrong with maintaining a sceptical view. I doubt it's impossible to be open to inspiration just because of being cautious.
If people would allow themselves to be a bit more open, a bit more realistic in their expectation (and that goes to both extreme flanks of this sandbox conflict, sandbox for once not meant in the MMO context), it would be perfectly possible to be looking forward to what might be somehting different for a change while not having to get on the ground for a prayer towards Greece 3 times a day.
As things are here though, there simply is no solution to this quarrel. When people take out some hardly maintained list of features and hold it against the game even before it even reached the light of day, the game simply WILL fail for them, This attitude leads to self fulfilling prohecies, and quite frankly, that's all people like the OP really want. it's not like they want the game to fail, - they want to be disappoited and proven right at the same time, making exactly that sure by preparing checklists well ahead of time they know of that they can not be met in any realistic thinking.
It's not like Aventurine wouldn't be the first dev studio to not coherently maintain their FAQ and feature lists during development, even in the end phase. I dare to say none I'd know of ever did.
If you proove a game on release against one of those lists, there simply WILL be a delta, some missing features (initially or even longterm), and that's is common knowledge for everybody following especially MMOs for any langth of time.
As if that weren't enough, there clearly WILL be technical hickups, especially when it comes to high character counts in one place. The question won't be if DF is the first game to be able to perfectly handle that, but merely if it maybe manages to do it BETTER than what we had before, which would already be quite an achievement for all those of us being realistic.
So again, those arguing in extremes will not move the slightest bit in the discussion, as well as they won't when the game releases. There might be some extreme spectics that actually manage the move to playing and having fur if the game is launching successful as well as there will surely be quite some diehard fans that will fall from one flank to the exact opposite, totally disappointed in their lala-land expectations. It happend before and it'll happen again.
The majority of the extremists will just move on with what they did before. It's clear as we speak they will get what they want and be correct anyway, no matter what will happen, as they made their preparation for no surprise ever happening to them. It's sad on the individual level, but it simply is how people want to live, - so be it.
On top of everything they haven't even announced an open beta and launch is five weeks away. Neither has they mass tested their product. A few hundred testers - 100-200? Compare that to WAR and other games.
They simply haven't tested this full game and all its so-called magnificent features.
When I read this community and its fans I really understand why people can get away with pyramid schemes. Some people will believe everything..
actulyl they have fully tested things but there running a Q/A type of beta so no point ot have every feature on right away. by time Public beta that should be 3 weeks long starts everythign will be on and working as intended most likly
Fully tested things? Lol.
So they have with their 100-200 beta testers (who just happen to be sooo much in awe they didn't anonymously break the NDA) fully tested this huge world, the 100 dungeons, the underworld and sea world domains, the 500 skills and associated power and power balances, riding, combat, the guild building, player house building, made sure there is not too many bugs and exploits? They have tested all the quests and levels?
Yea... they even tested the servers could handle the 10s of thousands of people.
You have no clue. There is no proof they fully tested this game. In fact no one knows what the REAL features of this mmo is - because there is NO updated list on their website. Even fans here admits that the website is filled with misleading information.
And you also have no clue about a 3 week public beta.
Who here really believes there will be a public beta from JAN 1st???
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CASUAL CONFESSIONS - Draccan's blog
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People see what they want to see
Ive played War and AOC and trust me.... DF easily tops those pieces of garbage.
Also DF does have an ameircan publisher..... thats old news... research better
really got a link to whom it may be by chance
wow.de.curse.com/articles/darkfall-en-news/17579.aspx
Googling shows this as the last word on the matter
and this is the latest info on launch on the official site which only lists a European launch
forums.darkfallonline.com/announcement.php
so if they have a N American publisher please feel free to post a link to that info
"While we haven’t selected a publisher in N. America yet like we have in Europe, this doesn’t actually mean that we need one, or that we're going to wait for one, in order to launch the game there"
That could mean with GNi as there hosting partner there they have a solution for the server side..and with a DDL they could offer a distribution solution and self publish..
So my statement stands. They do not have a publisher for N America. Anyway while while GNi is a good choice for their server infrastructure it really says very little as to the how the game will perform. Hellgate London for example also used GNi and we all know what their server stability/performance was like.
Not that it matters much to me, after taking a look at the game I have concluded that even if it eventually does release in US and even it it does not turn out to be a bug / lag fest I don't care for the overall design anyway so I am out of here. I played pre trammel UO and I do not care for going through that gank fest again and I was one of the better gankers
. Good luck to those of you who believe in the game though, hope it turns out to be all that you imagine it will be.
I miss DAoC
Who are you..?
Anyone can remain a skeptic and that is a healthy perception to take when viewing something for the first time, etc, but why are you so steadfast on remaining ignorant?
You keep steam rolling points, but they are illogical and quite frankly spoken from someone who hasn't been around the MMORPG community for long. You lack of praise for anything coming from Aventurine, is suspect and wildly fascinating!
Equally embarrasing is your ability to remain ignorant of MMORG history and technology. So you do not believe, OK, then why announce it?
You're a skeptic... fine!
It seems you cannot understand a good many things, so why do you need us to help you understand how they can have dynamic weather, or how they have boats, etc... and other games do not?
If you don't understand these things, understand how shards/servers work understand software and code, then perhaps you should goto school, or look into other game's design and technology. One good idea can come from one person, it doesn't need 300.
You're a child asking to see the cow, because you cannot understand how the milk is on your table. It seems you are the one who has doubts and you are the one who is ignorant and needs things feed to you, so that you can see the light.
I can refute everything you've asked or demanded and even give you examples.
But I'd rather sit back and laugh at you, seeing you in this frightened frenzy that... "What if Darkfall is all that" ..! Because, what would you be without this thread?
You are all about you... incapable of independant though and childish by nature! Plus, your ego is fun to toy with!
-Xoulz
And you are the reason I do not trust Darkfall fanboys or the company because yourblind, arrogant faith in the game leads to these types of posts. Insult people with legitimate questions and call them names because you cannot give an honest answer. Your strategy is to make you and the promises made by Adventurine look better by making those of us with different opinions and HONEST questions look stupid.
Fine, if that is your idiotic strategy then go for it. However, when the many thousands of players (like myself) give Darkfall an honest look and decide if its worth our $15 a month and we read reponses like this and choose not to play, please remember this type of attitude. You are the exact type of person who will be the face of or poster-boy of the Darkfall community and repsonses like this will lead to a hemmoraging of the playerbase.
So by all means, continue with responses like these when honest questions are asked. But when those questions go un-answered and the game is on life-support because of the lack of players, don't come to these forums and cry because all you will get is one single answer: we told you so.
If AVenturine and Darkfall want to be taken seriously and compete in an already over-crowded MMO market, then they need to answer these questions and others and work to convince people that the game is what it says it and not going to be a half-done, half-assed MMO. Until then, it is all ONLY empty promises.
So congrats on writing a post that works only to cause people to lose interest and turn away from Darkfall when you should be trying to get people to play. if this type of answer or responses is representative of Darkfall'as future community, then the game is in worse trouble than just potentially unfulfilled promises.
Fanboy..?
I'm not a fanboy, I just voiced my opinion of an inane troll whom is clearly a newbie to the MMORPG community. His overly negative comments stems from his lack of knowing how things are done. He clearly states in many of his post that "he doesn't know" how this or that can happen or how Aventurine can do this or that. Then he proceeds to base his debate and arguments off this lack of knowledge... !
So, why not call him out?
Legitimate question..? Where?
All I saw was incessant complaining and questions, that the industry as a whole has answered over the last 11 years. If he doesn't know, then I gave him advice on that too... Ask!
My faith isn't in Aventurine, but in my knowledge of past history.
For starters if you want to have a conversation about DarkFall try their forums I'm sure you'll be welcome there. =D
Next, quite a few of your questions can be answered on the website or in videos that show a great deal of what you are looking for i.e. swimming characters, ship combat, sieges, etc..etc.. Even some keep construction. Yay.
Also, while they don't show every tiny little feature a game that has been in development for 8 years shows a committed team. Furthermore, as far as I understand it the Greece government provides subsidies to small business and thus I believe Tasos has received funding to help develop this game. I could be wrong there, but I seem to remember reading about it a year ago or so. In addition, while they don't show every tiny little feature they do show quite a few other features. I invite you to actually watch the videos and read the some 280 pages of developer journals.
Ultimately, anyone could be lying about anything, however, the videos show some interesting things.
I guess we'll find out in a month.
/thread.
Funny thread!
What do we know:
Rookie development team.
Beta1: Professional Testers! (however we dont know anything about the testers).
Beta 2: Closed Beta. (A few hundred).
Videos.
Screenshots.
Testimony from 3rd parties.
Q&A:
Is there a game? Yes.
Will the game be everything they claim? No. (This has been the case with every MMO).
Will the game have a successful launch? Yes. (200,000 at least).
Will the game keep players? Unknown.
Could the release date be changed? Possible (This also is quite frequent with MMOs).
Hate it or Love it; You all are talking about it.
To all the trolls:
I don't give a shit what your gripe is about Darkfall, but stop comparing indie gaming companies to mainstream companies.
Indie gaming companies exists SOLEY to avoid these money grubbing mainstream gaming development publishers.
The point is, indie gaming companies (whether an MMO or not) to do to avoid any limitations on development, as many, many game publishers (EA anyone?) have done to other game companies.
By all accounts Darkfall devs have investors and have spent at LEAST 10 million dollars. I am pretty sure they will be grubbing for money, and not releasing this game as a charity or non-profit organization.
Indie gaming companies exist SOLELY to make money, and they all hope one day to be the next Blizzard, EA, or Mythic.
I don't think you will find any indie developer that will say, we are working day and night on this game, and we hope if flops and we go bankrupt. We would be very upset if we became millionaires, and we never want to grow as a company or get any bigger and become sucessful. That would be horrible.
The only difference between indie companies and mainstream companies is indies are just starting out, and have fewer resources. If the indies become successful, they graduate into the ranks of the mainstream companies.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence