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Must run good with keyboard and mouse.

delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 7,081

I'm reading several threads about keyboard + mouse vs. controller.

It seems as the Final Fantasy fans are sticking up for the controller, and telling others they have to adapt to whatever this game needs as far as control.

I say no !

THEIR SHOULD BE NO REASON TO DO RESEARCH. This game will be launched to the un suspecting public. Many people will feel riped off if it runs with no less than perfect keyboard and mouse......If anything less, BestBuy and EB Games better have a very good return policy.

And yes this Forum needs this as a new topic, because it's the single most important aspect of Final Fantasy XIV.

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  • EtraEtra Member UncommonPosts: 164

    Errr...

    Learn to wait until beta 3 when the keyboard and mouse utility will be patched?

     

    /endthread?

  • XzenXzen Member UncommonPosts: 2,607

    Originally posted by page

    I'm reading several threads about keyboard + mouse vs. controller.

    It seems as the Final Fantasy fans are sticking up for the controller, and telling others they have to adapt to whatever this game needs as far as control.

    I say no !

    THEIR SHOULD BE NO REASON TO DO RESEARCH. This game will be launched to the un suspecting public. Many people will feel riped off if it runs with no less than perfect keyboard and mouse......If anything less, BestBuy and EB Games better have a very good return policy.

    And yes this Forum needs this as a new topic, because it's the single most important aspect of Final Fantasy XIV.

    Not sure if you are jokeing or not. Most of us "fans" are not deffending the lack of keyboard and mouse controls. Also they are working on getting that option ready for launch as it is beeing added in the next phase of beta. As for your "no less than perfect" comment.... you're a tool.

  • Greymantle4Greymantle4 Member UncommonPosts: 809

    Though you come off a bit strong I do agree with you. If the game does not have great mouse / keyboard support my wife and I will not play.

  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 7,081

    Their is no argument here, Tell that to the one million other customers that are not original FF players. It should not need a patch with bata 3 or any patch !

  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 7,081

    Originally posted by Xzen

    Originally posted by page

    Their is no argument here, Tell that to the one million other customers that are not original FF players. It should not need a patch with bata 3 or any patch !

    Sooo you're saying that gameplay controls shouldn't be tested and improved? You really are a tool.

     Yes,

    That's what I'm saying. Just because 1500 Final Fantasy fans are convertible with paying money, time, and energy to get whatever control working. Is just plain wrong for the other million that will see this game on the shelf and buy it.

  • EtraEtra Member UncommonPosts: 164

    Originally posted by page

    Originally posted by Xzen


    Originally posted by page

    Their is no argument here, Tell that to the one million other customers that are not original FF players. It should not need a patch with bata 3 or any patch !

    Sooo you're saying that gameplay controls shouldn't be tested and improved? You really are a tool.

     Yes,

    That's what I'm saying. Just because 1500 Final Fantasy fans are convertible with paying money, time, and energy to get whatever control working. Is just plain wrong for the other million that will see this game on the shelf and buy it.

    I don't think you understand what a beta is.

  • XzenXzen Member UncommonPosts: 2,607

    Originally posted by page

    Originally posted by Xzen


    Originally posted by page

    Their is no argument here, Tell that to the one million other customers that are not original FF players. It should not need a patch with bata 3 or any patch !

    Sooo you're saying that gameplay controls shouldn't be tested and improved? You really are a tool.

     Yes,

    That's what I'm saying. Just because 1500 Final Fantasy fans are convertible with paying money, time, and energy to get whatever control working. Is just plain wrong for the other million that will see this game on the shelf and buy it.

    No one's paying to play this game right now.... as for the time and energy thats what they signed up for when they signed up for beta. That's what a real beta test is for.....

  • RaxeonRaxeon Member UncommonPosts: 2,288

    Originally posted by page

    Their is no argument here, Tell that to the one million other customers that are not original FF players. It should not need a patch with bata 3 or any patch !

     wth .. if it snot working very good it DOES need a patch lol page think about what your saying...

  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 7,081

    Originally posted by Etra

    Originally posted by page

    Originally posted by Xzen

    Originally posted by page

    Their is no argument here, Tell that to the one million other customers that are not original FF players. It should not need a patch with bata 3 or any patch !

    Sooo you're saying that gameplay controls shouldn't be tested and improved? You really are a tool.

     Yes,

    That's what I'm saying. Just because 1500 Final Fantasy fans are convertible with paying money, time, and energy to get whatever control working. Is just plain wrong for the other million that will see this game on the shelf and buy it.

    I don't think you understand what a beta is.

     I don't think you understand that MOST everyone will be screwed if this game is launched with no less that perfict Keyboard and mouse.

  • mrcalhoumrcalhou Member UncommonPosts: 1,444

    The OP is what is wrong with us Americans. We get too worked-up and emotional about topics to which we know little to no facts about.

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  • XzenXzen Member UncommonPosts: 2,607

    Tell me... what is YOUR definition of what "perfect keyboard and mouse" is.

  • KhrymsonKhrymson Member UncommonPosts: 3,090

    Originally posted by Xzen

    Tell me... what is YOUR definition of what "perfect keyboard and mouse" is.

    hehe, bet Page mentions "like WoW" ...rofl

     

    So tell us then Page, if the controls are not working to your satisfaction at the moment, which all we beta testers and others that have done our research on know already, yet you demand that they work without patching them, then how do they become how you want them to be "Perfect!" 

    That takes a whole lot testing, and a rather huge crowd of whiners, kinda like yourself but on the beta boards, which of course there are, and after a little while and through patching, patching and more patching, they just might turn out better than they are and how many want them to be.

  • EtraEtra Member UncommonPosts: 164

    Originally posted by page

     I don't think you understand that MOST everyone will be screwed if this game is launched with no less that perfict Keyboard and mouse.


    Originally posted by page

    Their is no argument here, Tell that to the one million other customers that are not original FF players. It should not need a patch with bata 3 or any patch !

    This seems to be a new form of bipolar disorder, but instead of radical changes in emotion, it's thought patterns. I believe I have discovered something here... I should coin it.

  • PalebanePalebane Member RarePosts: 4,011

    Just taking a shot in the dark, but the control system is one of the things that sets FF apart from the myriad of other games on the market. What it sounds like to me is that if the controls are not similar to WoW, you guys will not play it. I would venture to say that is much to the delight of current FF players.

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  • XzenXzen Member UncommonPosts: 2,607

    Originally posted by Palebane

    Just taking a shot in the dark, but the control system is one of the things that sets FF apart from the myriad of other games on the market. What it sounds like to me is that if the controls are not similar to WoW, you guys will not play it. I would venture to say that is much to the delight of current FF players.

    While I agree with you for the most part I have to say it is probably in SE's intrest to give people options. No harm in that.

  • kartoolkartool Member UncommonPosts: 520

    Originally posted by Palebane

    Just taking a shot in the dark, but the control system is one of the things that sets FF apart from the myriad of other games on the market. What it sounds like to me is that if the controls are not similar to WoW, you guys will not play it. I would venture to say that is much to the delight of current FF players.

    It has more to do with the fact that I'll be sitting in front of my computer playing the game, not in front of a TV using a console. The standard input for a computer is a mouse and keyboard, so unless the packaging states a controller is required, I expect the game to be playable with a keyboard and mouse. By playable I mean the game should be designed with these controls in mind if it's a platform it's being released on. How do you think console players would feel if the game required a keyboard and mouse in order to play it?

  • PalebanePalebane Member RarePosts: 4,011

    Originally posted by Xzen

    Originally posted by Palebane

    Just taking a shot in the dark, but the control system is one of the things that sets FF apart from the myriad of other games on the market. What it sounds like to me is that if the controls are not similar to WoW, you guys will not play it. I would venture to say that is much to the delight of current FF players.

    While I agree with you for the most part I have to say it is probably in SE's intrest to give people options. No harm in that.

    Having not played FF since the original on NES, I would have to agree. Just saying.

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  • XzenXzen Member UncommonPosts: 2,607

    Originally posted by kartool

    Originally posted by Palebane

    Just taking a shot in the dark, but the control system is one of the things that sets FF apart from the myriad of other games on the market. What it sounds like to me is that if the controls are not similar to WoW, you guys will not play it. I would venture to say that is much to the delight of current FF players.

    It has more to do with the fact that I'll be sitting in front of my computer playing the game, not in front of a TV using a console. The standard input for a computer is a mouse and keyboard, so unless the packaging states a controller is required, I expect the game to be playable with a keyboard and mouse. By playable I mean the game should be designed with these controls in mind if it's a platform it's being released on. How do you think console players would feel if the game required a keyboard and mouse in order to play it?

    As is a controller is not required to play it. What you're asking for is another control layout which makes more use of the mouse. There's nothing wrong with that but lets call it like it is.

  • DameonkDameonk Member UncommonPosts: 1,914

    Originally posted by Etra

    Originally posted by page



     I don't think you understand that MOST everyone will be screwed if this game is launched with no less that perfict Keyboard and mouse.


    Originally posted by page

    Their is no argument here, Tell that to the one million other customers that are not original FF players. It should not need a patch with bata 3 or any patch !

    This seems to be a new form of bipolar disorder, but instead of radical changes in emotion, it's thought patterns. I believe I have discovered something here... I should coin it.

    I can only guess that the OP is very young.  At least I hope so.  "must run good", "convertible with paying money", "bata".  The childish attitude that if something doesn't work perfectly in the game (even in beta) then SE should just give up, because there's no point in fixing it.

    Not really sure what else to say to the OP.  The thread's been over for a while, seems like they're just arguing for arguments sake now.

    "There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."

  • WSIMikeWSIMike Member Posts: 5,564

    Originally posted by page

    Their is no argument here, Tell that to the one million other customers that are not original FF players. It should not need a patch with bata 3 or any patch !

    /facepalm

    "If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road,
    and the cash shop selling asphalt..."
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  • WSIMikeWSIMike Member Posts: 5,564

    Originally posted by page

    Originally posted by Xzen


    Originally posted by page

    Their is no argument here, Tell that to the one million other customers that are not original FF players. It should not need a patch with bata 3 or any patch !

    Sooo you're saying that gameplay controls shouldn't be tested and improved? You really are a tool.

     Yes,

    That's what I'm saying. Just because 1500 Final Fantasy fans are convertible with paying money, time, and energy to get whatever control working. Is just plain wrong for the other million that will see this game on the shelf and buy it.

    /still facepalming

     

    Words honestly fail me right now... and that's rare.

    "If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road,
    and the cash shop selling asphalt..."
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  • IchmenIchmen Member UncommonPosts: 1,228

    i think what the OP is saying, the game should be launched with mouse/keyboard controller sets, and work 100% with little to no lag between the key press and the sequence of actions that press carries out. 

    alot of console games that get ported to PC or visa versa do some times release with fubared controls in that you press a button and must wait a few seconds for the action to happen. 

    i THINK that is what he means by the game should not need a patch and should release with perfect mouse/KB control. 

    at the same time i think he miss read the statement, that the mouse/kb controls are being worked on to allow it to function correctly, which is where his "they shouldnt need a patch" statement enters the equation. 

    ofcourse as im not the OP this is all speculation lmao...  maybe he wants a happy meal with toy i dont know. dont care.

     

    tho i would personally find it weird that FF wouldnt launch with it, as i recall the first FF online they launched had mouse/KB controls for it, or was that a diffrent FF??

     

    plus as a pc gamer id be personally insulted if they launched it on pc and demanded you had to use their controller to play it. that there is no mouse/kb key-mapping or anything, as to me anything launched on PC should come preset with mouse/kb in mind and then have the option to key map to console controller. (not sure how many people use controllers for their games on the pc, i personally dont even use a joystick for flying planes in BF1942... hahaha

  • KhrymsonKhrymson Member UncommonPosts: 3,090

    Originally posted by Xzen

    Originally posted by Palebane

    Just taking a shot in the dark, but the control system is one of the things that sets FF apart from the myriad of other games on the market. What it sounds like to me is that if the controls are not similar to WoW, you guys will not play it. I would venture to say that is much to the delight of current FF players.

    While I agree with you for the most part I have to say it is probably in SE's intrest to give people options. No harm in that.

     

    As much as I'd love to not see the mass majority of the WoW crowd in there and bugging us, its going to happen no matter what, thus  I agree that having a nice hardware-mouse and WASD setup for them to be in SE best and ours interests.  Thats one less and major complaint we'll have to read in chat. 

    Should those players decided to remain in Hydaelyn and not jump ship for Cataclysm in Nov, they will quickly learn that they must change and adapt to a reputation system or quickly be ignored by the community.  This of course being entirely based on how FFXI works and since FFXIV is very similar I expect a return performance, especially since you play 1 character for the most part and starting over is not as easy as in other MMOs to erase ones stupid streak.

     

    I would love to see a huge population with everyone playing together with each other in peacful company of one another and lose the Barrens style chat in favor of a ripe, helpful and friendly commuinty.  Chuck Norris jokes in good flavor are ok though...they never tend to get old...hehe

  • WSIMikeWSIMike Member Posts: 5,564

    Originally posted by kartool

    Originally posted by Palebane

    Just taking a shot in the dark, but the control system is one of the things that sets FF apart from the myriad of other games on the market. What it sounds like to me is that if the controls are not similar to WoW, you guys will not play it. I would venture to say that is much to the delight of current FF players.

    It has more to do with the fact that I'll be sitting in front of my computer playing the game, not in front of a TV using a console. The standard input for a computer is a mouse and keyboard, so unless the packaging states a controller is required, I expect the game to be playable with a keyboard and mouse. By playable I mean the game should be designed with these controls in mind if it's a platform it's being released on. How do you think console players would feel if the game required a keyboard and mouse in order to play it?

    Well, if it's that it's playable with mouse and keyboard that you're concerned with, then they've already addressed that.

    The game, as of Beta 2, is playable with mouse and keyboard. It's not the setup most are familiar with and will take getting used to, but it's definitely playable. Hell, it's even playable with keyboard only. That's two PC-centric options.

    And... in Beta 3 they'll have made enhancements to the mouse control.

    So... really... SE's already met the requirement you've set forth.

    "If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road,
    and the cash shop selling asphalt..."
    - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops

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